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That location not being disclosed. They came in by helicopter, several dozen of them. They were backed up in the air by combat aircraft by intelligence and Surveillance Aircraft keeping an eye on them at all times. When they got to this facility, they engaged isis fighters on the ground. We are told they killed several of them. We are told one of the special forces personnel was wounded, no u. S. Personnel killed, but when they got to the site, none of the hostages were there. Very sad news on that front. I can tell you that the administration is indicating they had intelligence that they would be there, they were going after a particular part of the isis network that they believed was holding foley and other hostages. They had some very specific information. They are not saying how they developed that information. We know it is Public Information that other hostages that have come out of syria have been able to report some details of their circumstances while they were being held. This information exceptionally sensitive because there are certainly still many people being held inside syria against their will. The administration acknowledging it because several news Media Outlets clearly were on to the story, but offering very scant details other than this Extraordinary Development that u. S. Military personnel were inside syria earlier this sum perp thats about as dangerous as it gets. The assad Regime Forces clearly would have an attacked the americans if they were there. Any number of syrian factions including isis would have att k attacked the americans if they knew they were there. This is just as dangerous as it possibly gets for u. S. Commanders. The heroism of that attempt and the heartbreak they were no longer at that site. Standby. Were going o get more details from the shes on Marthas Vineyard where the president is vacationing. What are you learning . Reporter this is a lot to come out in a short period of time. We just heard from the National Security team not long ago. We werent asking about this specifically because we didnt know about it yet. But asking about any attempts made or specific threats noun against james foleys life in the recent past or beyond. All they said at that time was that they used every tool in their disposal to try to gain information about foleys whereabouts and to find him and bring him home. So what they have said right now is that earlier this summer the president authorized an operation to attempt the rescue of american citizens, plural. The president authorized action at this time because it was the National Security teams assessment that the hostages were in danger with each passing day in isil custody. The government had sufficient intelligence and when the opportunity presented itself, the president authorized the department of defense to move aggressively to recover our citizens. Unfortunately u that mission was not successful because the hostages were not present. And then they go on to say that given the need to protect the militarys operational security, they are not going to give anymore details about what exactly transpired during that a attempt. Michelle kosinski, thank you so much. Joining me is retired general Michael Hayden shs the former director of the cia and nsa. Hes now with a Global Security firm. Thank you for being with us. Is this the first you are hearing of this . Its the first time i have ever heard any of the enriched details that barbara gave you from the pentagon. I had heard rumors, but nothing specific. I dont know any of the fine print. I dont know when or where. I can tell you, though, its what we do. Were good at it. We work very hard at this. You cannot really overstate the danger of taking on an operation like this, right . But also certainly the goal behind it, theres so much risk in trying to achieve Something Like this. Theres tremendous risk. Were kind of an emotional roller coaster. We had the horror of yesterday. Now today we hear a story of brave americans supported by really good intelligence efforts risking their own lives in order to save an american citizen. Yesterday we saw in the video the horrific video where one american journalist lost his life. Isis issued this other threat for another journalist that they are going to kill him essentially saying to president obama, his life is in your hands. Certainly some of this is very much a gruesome pr offensive on the part of isis. But at this point, are there any options to try to save this man . And other americans . It totally depends on how good you think your intelligence is. Do you think you have an idea of where these individuals are . If you dont, you cant. You just dont have options here against this kind of an enemy. You cant deter them or desuede them from this. The only tool you have is to prevent, and you cant prevent unless you know exactly where you are. I want to go ahead and bring in our pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr. You must have a number of questions as you are learning this news of the attempted rescue. I wanted to ask something because after all your years of serving in the air force, serving in the intelligence community, you have a lot of knowledge about what the threat would have been facing those commanders in syria. E we heard so much in recent past that one of the big restrictions, one of the big reasons you cant put troops in syria is a because of the air defenses, the Syrian Government has very strong weapons and systems that could shoot down u. S. Aircraft. So for the u. S. Helicopters to get into syrian air space, land several dozen u. S. Commandos, there had to be an awful lot of very covert, very secret action against some of syrias capabilities to make them able to get in and get out. Youre right, barbara. Lets not overestimate the syrian air defenses. After all, israel destroyed a Nuclear Reactor in syria several years back and able to manage going through the defenses. Lets not overrate them. That doesnt discount the danger, but this is what our special forces do. Flying map of the earth techniques very low, based upon your information they did have some top cover they could call in if the situation went south. Lets remember, these guys did this multiple times per night in iraq taking on aqi at that time. That idea we have seen obviously we know of the operation to try to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden very successful. This one, obviously, not turning up to be fruitless, very unfortunately. But can you talk a little bit about, i guess, whether this is something that could it be carried out again or do you have a feeling that theres really no way to stop isis at this point . Well, kben, absent the specific intelligence, we cant prevent and they are not deterrable. Now we have made this public. There may be some people out there watching this saying, we put them on their toes. But you and i didnt know about the raid before, but isis knew. This doesnt give them any additional warning. So why are u. S. Officials coming out and disclosing this now . This happens all the time. We dont hear about it as members of the public. Many journalists dont. Why now . Why are we learning this now . Barbara suggested or your reporter suggested that it was beginning to bleed out that some News Agencies had gotten the story, so its better it really is better if you have a part of this you can tell, go tell it and close it off. That way others wont say too much and reveal something about your tactics that will do harm to future operations. What are the next steps here . We have seen airstrikes apparently in response to the killing of jim foley. The state department has made a request for more assistance. What are the next steps . Well, look, the lives of these individuals, the life of jim foley, the life of other hostages, thats always very, very important. But fundamentally here, we have a really serious strategic problem. We have a fundamental estate not in the middle of nowhere like afghanistan, but in the middle of the middle east. And those people there intend to do great harm not just locally but regionally and then globally. We actually need to take on this threat not just, its very important, not just try to protect or rescue our citizens, but we have to got to take the wood to isis and simply make them less capable of doing the kind of harm they clearly intend to do to us. I want ask you about this in a moment. First, i want to sort of see, is this the first time that we know of u. S. Forces, u. S. Special forces being in syria . There was a raid against one fellow while i was the director of cia. We did cross the border. It became very public. Its a very shallow raid. We did kill our suspect. So its not quite the first time, but its certainly the first time im aware of in this current. Conflict. You say take the wood to isis. What needs to be done and why is it isis such a threat to america . Well, first of all, the president has articulated a policy. Were going to prevent genocide and protect americans. Thats good. But you know what, the president ss actions are pretty much beyond those limited objectives. We were providing Close Air Support to peshmerga forces. Were all tired of war. We all have fatigue about this. But i really do think thats the right course of action. We need to do more of that. We need to degrade isis, which is more than a terrorist organization. Its a government and its an army and we just simply have to make them less capable. If youre looking for a metaphor here, and im not taking part of any Detailed Planning thats going on, but we need to begin to treat isis territory in iraq and syria the way we have tre treated wu sear stand. 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Weve just learned that over the summer there was a special operations attempt to try to free jim foley, that american journalist who was so horrifically and unfortunately beheaded by isis as we learned yesterday. Were talking about this operation that ultimately was not successful. We have learned from u. S. Officials and reporting from our pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr that when special Operations Forces tried to attempt this rescue, the hostages, jim foley, as well as others, had been moved. I want to go ahead and bring in retired general Michael Hayden who used to head the nsa and the cia. And this is startling what were learning, that this is a way that the u. S. Has been dealing with isis. Does this really change our perception of how theyre dealing with this threat . I hope so. I hope its a suggestion of other things that are going on. The president doesnt need me to grade his policy statements. But i looked at the speech today. Theres genuine grief, genuine anger. Then the president said something along the lines of we can all agree that isis is incompatible with the 21st century. That sounded a lot to me like assad has lost all legitimacy, must go, or putins Foreign Policy is 19th century Foreign Policy. Those are all true. The question i have is so what are we going to do about it . Perhaps this raid is a suggestion that were going to do more about it than we have in the past. Look, we did harm isis a bit but that was incidental to trying to rescue the american. I think we need to do a lot more with the specific purpose what does that mean, though, more . More air strike, Ground Troops . Look, i actually think, you know, the tide of war is receding and so on. Its not receding. Theres a line in tolkien about it takes but one sword to make a war. And i think were seeing that in isis. Weve got to respond. We can do it with manpower, unmanned aerial vehicles, we can do it with our friends in iraq like the kurds and we might have to do it with some of our own forces on the ground. Other options besides ground forces, americans have shown theyre weary of that, but certainly thats something youre in favor of. I want to bring in on the phone someone with incredible perspective on this. A former navy s. E. A. L. He was a member of s. E. A. L. Team eight. Chris hebben joining me now. We know this is dangerous, but really with your expertise put a finer point on how risky an operation like this is. Well, any time you head into someone elses territory, the odds of difficulty increase and the margin for error is increased, but special forces guys, we train to the tip of perfection and were ready to do these operations. Theres always an inherent risk. Youre only as good as your intelligence reports and intelligence is fleeting. We have electronic intelligence, we have human intelligence, signal intelligence. Its this hodgepodge of information that they put together and you hope that its up to date and current. Sometimes it is and you get the job done and sometimes its not and you go away empty handed, but as long as no one got hurt and maybe you take it to the bad guys and you take out some of them, its still a pretty good day. These guys came up empty handed but no one got hurt. But theres always a risk. Chris, stand by for us. Well be right back. Moderate to severe is tough, but ive managed. I got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. When i finally told my doctor, he said my crohns was not under control. He said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohns disease. And that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. 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Official tells cnn the mission was to rescue the american journalist jim foley along with others who are being held hostage at an undisclosed location. Isis released a gruesome video yesterday showing foley being beheaded saying it was retaliation for u. S. Air strikes against isis. The terror group is also threatening to kill another american journalist held hostage right now. Weve also learned in some of these details that no u. S. Personnel were killed in this operation. One was slightly wounded. Several isis operatives were killed. But perhaps this news, telling us, giving us more information about how the u. S. Is dealing with the threat of isis in syria and iraq. Im brianna keilar, thank you so much for watching us here in the situation room. Erin Burnett Outfront starts now. Another Police Officer in ferguson under fire tonight. Well show you the video that just got him suspended. Plus new evidence from the Michael Brown shooting raising questions tonight about the moments just before his death. And breaking news on the brutal beheading of the american at the hands of isis. Late word tonight that the United States attempted a rescue mission this summer. It is an Extraordinary Development in the story. We have all the details. Lets go outfront. Good evening, everyone. Im erin burnett. Thutfront tonight we begin with