President and gop president ial candidate mike pence join me ahead, and picking a fight. Trumps legal woes rattle the republican field again. Stand up to that man. While Kamala Harris takes her fight to florida. This is unnecessary. Our Political Panel will break it all down. Plus, disagree better. Two bipartisan governors launch a new campaign to save your Family Dinners and maybe even democracy itself. Its okay to disagree. Its not just okay, its crucial. Governors jared polis and spencer cox join us live. Hello. Im dana bash in washington where the state of our union is wondering if a third shoe is about to drop. This weekend former President Donald Trump finds himself once again at the center of the legal and political universe as he awaits a potential third indictment. This time over his efforts to overturn the 2020 president ial election. Hes effectively frozen the republican primary race while candidates wait to see what exactly special counsel jack smith may have uncovered babout the frontrunner. Today ill talk to the two most powerful people inside the capitol during the january 6th attacks. Nancy pelosi who helped to coordinate a Military Police to the riot and former Vice President mike pence who refused pressure by donald trump to overturn the election. Joining me now is gop candidate and former Vice President mike pence. Thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate it. Thank you, dana, good to be on. Thank you. I want to ask you about your former boss. He is facing a potential third indictment over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. You said, you, quote, hope it doesnt come to that and the American People should decide his future at the ballot box, but i just want to be clear. If the Justice Department has evidence that he committed a crime related to january 6th, you do not think he should be charged . Well, look, i know i did my duty that day under the constitution, and frankly, as we traveled across New Hampshire this week in ten, ven events an communities across the state i was deeply moved for the people that showed their appreciation for the stand i took in the constitution. The president s requests were reckless and i had no right to overturn the election and while his words were reckless, based on what i know im not yet convinced that they were criminal. I obviously wasnt there for every meet. I was busy trying to help reopen the government and the country after the covid pandemic, i was spending a fair amount of time in georgia, dana, as you remember in those special elections, but from what i know i just i i really do hope it doesnt come to that, and also for the reason that i do think the department of justice has lost the confidence of the American People. In one town hall after another across New Hampshire i heard a deep concern for a perception about the unequal treatment of the law, and i think one more indictment against the former president will only contribute to that sense among the American People. As i said, i would rather with these issues and the judgment about his conduct on january 6th be left to the American People in the upcoming primaries and ill leave it at that. Part of the reason why people believe that the Justice Department is not being fair is because your former boss is telling them thats the case. I just wanted to follow up and to say youre right. I remember you were traveling a lot and you werent in every meeting that he had. This is what the special counsel has been doing, gathering evidence. If that evidence does point to an actual crime, you still think that its better for the country that he not be indicted and held accountable . Well, look, its not just what the former president has said about his situation. I mean, look, we had whistleblower testimony on capitol hill this week that in all fairness was largely ignored by much of the national media. We did that, but i want to ask i have agents that were asking about obstructions into the president s family and then we learned about, you know, one instance after another of fbi officials saying that they were obstructed from asking questions. I just ill be honest with you, as i traveled around New Hampshire i heard again and again from people about a deep children about unequal treatment of the law and its why i said to people if im elected president of the United States were not just going to have a new attorney general, were going to clean house among all of the Senior Leadership at the Justice Department and well appoint Men And Women Of Integrity who will have the confidence of americans across the political spectrum for their rule of law. But sir, i hear what youre saying about that, and im sure you are hearing that on the campaign trail, but because we are. You have a very unique perspective because your life and the life of your family was at risk that day which you have talked about very extensively. It you still believe that the former president should be held to a different standard if what you experienced turned out to be based in breaking the law and that is shown through evidence found by the special counsels investigation . Well, dana, let me be very clear. President trump was wrong on that da and hes still wrong in asserting that i had the right to overturn the election, but what is intentional and as you know, criminal charges have everything to do with intent and what the president s State Of Mind was. Sure. And i dont honestly know what his intention was that day, whether as he spoke to that crowd, as he tweeted during the riot itself, but from my part, from what i saw, his actions were reckless. I believe history will hold him accountable and republican primary voters know we need new leadership in this party. I know some of the pundits and the pollsters think its different out there, but ive got to tell you, based on the enthusiasm and the support that were seeing not only across New Hampshire this week, but iowa and states around the country, im absolutely convinced that were going to have a new Standard Bearer in this party and we will work every day. I just have one last question about this because this is so personal to you, and when i say this, im talking about the potential for violence. Donald trump said this week, talked about how his supporters might react if he is charged and faces potential jail time. I think its a very dangerous thing to even talk about because we do have a tremendously passionate group of voters. Much more passion than they had in 2020 and much more passion than they had in 2016. I think it would be very dangerous. Does that kind of rhetoric worry you . Well, it doesnt worry me because i have more confidence in the American People and in the people in our movement. It was one of the things that infuriated me on january 6th and what i saw and people ransacking the capital and engaging in violence against Law Enforcement officers, dana. I think that the i would say not just the majority, but virtually everyone in our movement are the kind of americans who love this country, are patriotic and are Law And Order people who would never have done anything like that there or anywhere else. I have more confidence in the American People than that. I hear my former runningmates frustration in his voice, but im sure the American People will respond and our movement in a way that will express as they have every right to under the First Amendment to express concerns that they have between what they perceive to be unequal treatment of the law and im not concerned about it beyond that. Thats pretty remarkable given the fact they wanted to hang you on january 6th. I want to move on to the issues well, dana, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I want to say to you, theres been an effort to take those that perpetrated violence on january 6th and use a broad brush to describe everyone in our movement. I didnt mean to do that. Its not the case. The people in this movement, the people who rallied behind our cause in 2016 and 2020 are the most godfearing, lawbiding, patriotic people in this country, and i just i wont stand for those kind of generalizations because they have no basis in fact. What i meant is it has the potential to incite those who were inside it on january 6th. Lets talk about the issues that youre talking about on the trail. Abortion is one of them. I know you believe that every republican candidate should join you in supporting a 15week federal ban. Florida Governor Ron Desantis says he arc mpplauds strict abon laws and he also said this. You have a big, diverse country. I acknowledge that, and im not suggesting that somehow new york is necessarily going to follow iowas lead on that. I think youre going to see some differences. Whats your response to that . Im prolife. I dont apologize for it, and i couldnt have been more proud to be a small part of the process in the administration that appointed three of the justices that sent Roe Versus Wade to the Ash Heap Of History and gave the abortion back to the states and the American People, and im going to continue to be a champion for advancing sensitive life, but i do believe that the time has also come for us to establish a minimum National Standard of 15 weeks. I think creating a minimum National Standard for after a child is able to feel pain in the womb is an idea whose time has come. Frankly, its supported by an overwhelming majority of the American People and if im president of the United States ill champion that in the Congress Even while we look for even greater projections for the unborn in states across the country. And the notion of Governor Ron Desantis who is very much competing in iowa and New Hampshire where you are, as well, saying we might just have to accept that there wont be that kind of level of the law in a place like new york. Its one of the reasons why we ought to have a debate over a minimum National Standard for this country, but i think winning hearts and mind to the cause of life is going to be the calling of our time. I really do believe that the principle and the compassion that people have shown over the last 50 years brought us to this new era for life, and i look forward whether im president of the United States some day or a private citizen in the cause of life to continuing to champion the cause of the unborn until we restore the sanctity of life to the center of american law where it belongs. You support banning abortion even in cases where pregnancy isnt viable. So the question is if the doctor looks at a womans ultrasound, sees her fetus is missing parts of its skull and a brain and i bring that up that its a real scenario that the woman testified to, youre saying the woman should carry that child to term even if theres no chance the baby would survive . Well, let me be clear about this because weve got to be very clear on language. Look, im prolife, but ive always recognized and accepted abortions in tragic circumstances, rape, incest, the life of the mother and candidly, dana, in cases like an Ectopic Pregnancy where a child simply cannot survive i would assume that would be covered by the life of the mother exception, but in cases where it is simply a subjective judgment of a physician or percentage potential, i always want to err on the side of life. I want to give that unborn child every chance at life. So for me, i think the suggestion that when a baby simply is terminal or cannot survive, to me, thats a misnomer. I believe that thats covered by the existing exceptions that ive acknowledged, but ive just known so many cases where early diagnosis or an early dna test suggests that a child may not go to term and because of the courageous decisions of mothers and fathers will go forward and theyve been blessed with a healthy baby and i always want to err on the side of life, but being r oiz exceptions. Lets turn to ukraine. Youre the only president ial candidate who has visited ukraine. President biden said the u. S. Will support ukraine for as long as it takes. Do you believe in that . Do you stand by that pledge and would you if you were president . I think President Joe Biden has done a terrible job explaining our National Interest in ukraine. He said were there as long as it takes, but frankly, it shouldnt take that long, dana. This administration has been not surprisingly dragging their feet on providing Military Support from early on. They cut off the military aid that we had been providing to ukraine under the Trump Pence Administration in the early going and even after the initiation of hostilities and the unconscionable russian invasion, the administration has been slow in delivering armor and delivering munitions and still hasnt given permission to provide aircraft and f16s from our allies. Joe biden gives these gauzy speec speeches about democracy in ukraine. We are there supporting them on a Military Basis and supporting their soldiers for the reason that i believe, if Vladimir Putin overran ukraine it wouldnt be long before the Russian Military crossed the border where our Men And Women In Uniform would be called upon to go and fight. To me, making that clear that thats our National Interest here and also giving the ukrainians what they need to repel the russian invasion is the best way to send a message to china that americas the leader of the free world and were not going to tolerate either russia or china should they attempt to do so to redraw International Lines by force. This is all about america being the leader of the free world and if im president of the United States we will lead from american strength. Before i let you go, you have not qualified for the debate and its just a month away. How far away are you from reaching the 40,000 Donor Requirement . Well, we make the Polling Requirement very easy, dana. Im humbled to support around the country which is the criteria, and having individual donors and we are literally working around the clock. I have about a month to go and im confident well go there. People are going to mikepence2020. Com and were not offered kickbacks. Were not offering gift cards and were not offering soccer tickets. Were just asking people for their support, and were gaining support all over the country. I couldnt be more grateful. How far along are you . Were making incredible progress toward that goal. Were not there yet, dana, but i promise you when we know youll know. And youll make it. Well make it. Ill see you at that debate stage. All right. Thank you, sir. Former Vice President and of course, president ial candidate mike pence, thank you so much for your time. Thank you, dana. And House SpeakerDanancy Pelosi joins me here after a quick break. . Cashbacking by the basket, i see you. Ugh. I dreamt you didnt cashback this flight. Oh good. 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