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Thats the stunning conclusion from the prosecutor about what led to the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 and it marks a shocking twist in the investigation. The prosecutor now says the copilot apparently crashed the plane into the french alps on purpose. Among the reasons for that conclusion, after the pilot left the cockpit, the copilot refused to let him back in even when he was banging on the door and screaming. The Prosecutor Says that can only be voluntary. We can conclude that in all circumstances its deliberate. At the moment i consider it to be deliberate first of all refusing entry to the cockpit, second maneuvers the lever for loss of altitude it is a thousand meters a minute as if he was landing. Way above the mountains, arent we . And theres no other airport which could receive an airbus 320 anywhere near. Officials with the airlines Parent Company lufthansa say theyre speechless that the copilot would deliberately crash the plane killing everyone on board, 150 people. What do we know about this copilot . Hes identified as Andreas Lubitz 28 years old, a german national. He had been with the airline since september of 2013. Lets bring in our Senior International correspondent. You just had an exclusive interview with the lufthansa ceo. Tell us what he told you. Reporter yeah, absolutely. I just talked to Carsten Spohr about a wide range of issues pertaining to this case. There were two main points. One of them was the mental stability of this copilot. He said there were absolutely no indications at least to lufthansa that he might have been mentally instable that he might have had any sort of depression issues. He also said he believes this is what he calls an isolated case. There was no indication of this. This is not an indication that perhaps their system of evaluating mental issues with their pilots might be flawed. However they also said they would reevaluate it as well. I also asked how he could be so certain all of this was done deliberately with criminal intent. Lets listen in to what he had to say. Apparently after the captain left the cockpit, he tried to regain access were there were knocks on the doors and the door was either kept locked or not opened in the way it was supposed to be and that for sure is a clear indication that the remaining pilot, the copilot didnt want the captain to return. Reporter so he clearly said that the copilot did not want the captain to reenter into the cockpit. Of course then there was that struggle as the captain tried to get entry somehow. He also said the door of that airplane would have been reinforced and all but i am possible for the captain to get back in there. The other thing he wanted to make very clear is that the airline is absolutely devastated that this would have happened. He said that the relatives of the victims of those 150 people who were killed were informed before the media actually was. He does say they are going to be cared for moving forward as well. Do we know if this copilot had undergone any type of psychological screening either before he was hired or during his period as a copilot . Reporter well, you know what, this is interesting. I talked to him about this as well. He said that while there arent any specific tests for Mental Fitness after youve become a pilot, the entire process of undergoing the training is one that puts cadets under mental strain all the time. Its part of being a pilot. They see what happens when they are in stress situations. They see how good they are at multitasking under pressure for instance. So he said the whole process is one that tries to evaluate whether these people are mentally strong. I asked if they might need more safeguards in the future but also with pilots who are pilots already. He said that he believes the system that lufthansa has in place was one that is up to international standards, is one that has worked very well for the company over the past six decades. He also said in light of what happened, they are going to reevaluate that. He also said lufthansa has a system in place if someone is flying with someone they believe is mentally instable or any sort of other issues that there ask a process of reporting, reporting anonymously and that you have to report that person. And apparently there were no other issues he had with other colleagues in the past wolf. We are told that he did take a period of a few months during his training he took a leave for unexplained reason. Do we know why he did that . Reporter no we dont. And this was something that carsten said earlier today as well. He did take a leave of several months. He said it was not something necessarily uncommon when people are trying to become pilots. But he said there was no indication or knowledge they had that it would have been due to any psychological issues. This is something that now is a criminal investigation as well and that certainly the past of Andreas Lubitz is certainly also something investigators are going to be looking into. Probably very specifically that time that he took off during his training and see whether or not it might have had something to do with what happened here in the past couple days whether or not he might have had mental issues in the past that might have been a big factor in him bringing that plane down. Stand doctors by. This certainly takes the investigation in a new direction and gives a lot to discuss with our panel of Experts Joining us now, the former managing director of the u. S. National Transportation Safety board, also tom fuentes is here our law firm analyst, former fbi assistant director, and cnn aviation analyst. And Richard Quest is our cnn aviation correspondent. Peter, lets start with that locked cockpit. We understand why they now lock those cockpits after 9 11 after what happened on 9 11. But isnt there any procedure if one copilot is left inside for that pilot who may have gone to the mens room or whatever to get back inside . Well, there isnt and thats the problem. This process was initiated after 9 11. And there were widespread meetings and working groups to discuss what was the appropriate response. And the issue was we were facing a new type of terrorist. Up until 9 11. Pilots were instructed to cooperate with the hijackers. After 9 11 the decision was made we have to arm the cockpit door so it cannot be broached. It was discussed, maybe we should give one of the cabin crew a special code. But there was no way that could be kept secret. It was decided that the lesser of evils was once its locked, its locked. Thats it. Unintended consequences in this particular case. The fbi has been brought into the investigation at the request of the frempbl government. Right. What do they want the fbi to do . They would be checking all the databases here in the u. S. Nofly lists, terrorist watch lists. For the copilot. Anybody else at the time but the copilot specifically now. He also did some training in the u. S. So they would be looking at some places that he traveled. You see a picture of him in front of the golden gate bridge. They would be looking at who was he with did he have a cell phone here in the u. S. Then they would run all of the phone numbers they have any other identifying information on him through fbi databases. So they learn as much as possible about this copilot. This is all based on the information from the planes cockpit voice recorder. Theyed could obviously hear stuff going on inside the cockpit and outside the cockpit. I want you to listen to what the prosecutor said responding to questions about whether the copilot had some kind of medical emergency when he was alone inside the cockpit. It does seem that he was breathing normally. Its not the breathing of somebody having a stroke or a heart attack. And he doesnt say anything. Not one word. I repeated absolute silence. Can they conclude from just the recording of the breathing that he wasnt in some sort of medical distress . Well, you know thats hard to say wolf. I mean its this young man was probably contemplating what he was going to do all that time. It was a short period of time at cruise altitude. Its curious to me why that you know at that moment only a short period of time in cruise altitude the captain chose that moment to get a cup of coffee and took his opportunity then. It almost seemed as that he was contemplating this and this was an instantaneous decision he made. I want to add to tom fuentes point. The tsa got involved long before he ever got involved to Flight Training because hes got to be screened. Im a Flight Instructor with small airplanes. If im going to fliekt instruct somebody outside the United States, i have to indicate that on the application. Theyre vetted to some degree. So that is important. But this whole thing is as an airline pilot, this hits me right in the gut. Its very disturbing to me. This is not something i would ever have conceived of from any of my fellow crew members. And one of my colleagues has destroyed the public trust and this is so important to really understand and comprehend and especially for the families. I just cant imagine. Richard lufthansa officials, they say the pilot did nothing wrong when he went out of the cockpit. Lets say hes going to the mens room or whatever that it was okay apparently to leave only the copilot in that cockpit. Although i understand there are regulations at least here in the United States that one of the flight attendants is supposed to go into the cockpit so theres more than one person in the cockpit at all times. Is that right . Yes. Two issues here. The first is whether or not he did anything wrong leaving the cockpit. Well the plain was already in cruise at that point. It was a short flight. If youre going to go and take a restroom break, that would be the time to do it before rescent further down route. The u. S. Does have a twoperson rule. The rest of the world does not. Some countries require it others dont. Following mh370 some airlines insisted on a twoperson rule. Since this incident norwegian which flies into the u. S. And is a major Third Largest low cost carrier in europe, they put out a statement saying they will now require a twoperson rule for their flights. Carsten spohr of lufthansa says this is something they will now look at. There needs to be a one size fits all on this. Its ridiculous that some countries have one rules other countries dont. There needs to be a consensus. That certainly does make sense. All right. Stand by. Theres a lot more news coming in. How does a captain get locked out of his own cockpit . Will this incident force a change in those rules . Plus the families of the victims, theyre visiting the crash site today. Were going to go there live. Lots happening. Stay with us. Now . Can i at least put my shoes on . If your bladder is calling the shots. You may have a medical condition called overactive bladder. Or oab youve got to be kidding me. Ive had enough its time to talk to the doctor. Ask your doctor how myrbetriq may help treat. Oab symptoms of urgency frequency, and leakage. Which may mean fewer trips to the bathroom. Myrbetriq mirabegron may increase your Blood Pressure. Myrbetriq may increase your chances. Of not being able to empty your bladder. Tell your doctor right away if you have. 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Its too early to anticipate but its clear that the copilot took advantage of the flight captain leaving the cockpit. Could he have known beforehand, i really dont know. Lets get back to our annualpanel. Peter goals is here with me in washington as is our Law Enforcement analyst tom fuentes. Our business and aviation correspondent Richard Quest joins us from new york. Should we really, peter, be all that surprised if in fact the copilot deliberately decided for whatever reason to go ahead and take that plane and crash it into the french alps . Its not the first time a pilot or copilot has done Something Like that. There have been a number of cases. In 2000 egypt air, the copilot flew that plane into the ground. Off of nantucket massachusetts, killing more than 200 people. 240 people. Recently in 2013 a very similar situation was reported involving a smaller plane. But again the investigates indicated that one of the flying pilots was locked out of the cabin and the plane was flown into the ground. In general aviation it happens every year. In general aviation meaning private planes. That silk air incident too. Silk authorities denied it was suicide. Thats right. We were the lead investigators. The indonesians invited the ntsb in. We determined that the most likely probable cause was that the pilot had flown the plane into the ground. He had financial and other psychological issues. Indonesia never accepted that. But the investigators were quite confident thats happened. How do you prevent that kind of stuff . How do you know if a pilot or copilot is having some sort of mental issue and is willing to kill himself or herself, but also kill all the passengers . Its a good question, wolf. But lets just say this is not an epidemic with airline pilots. Lets assure the public that we dont have these major stress issues where this is something were considering on every flight. How is it happening . Were hired because were independent enough to handle a lot of stress and we can deal with a multitasking situation. Which also involves saying to ourselves, are we fit to fly. I had assigned something that specifically said am i fit to fly. Healthy wise in other words do i have a cold or fever, do i have enough rest. And this can translate unless into the psychological aspect. We police our own because weve been policing our own physical health all these years. We police our own. Were not phycologists. I wont go there. But the bottom line is we know when somebodys having an issue. I fly with some extraordinary people. These folks, even if theyre having problems at home are able to come part mentalize. Thats why theyre pilots and good at what they do. Do things come up from time to time like in any professional life . Absolutely. And they can be addressed both our union and the company Work Together to try to get these folks help. Every recurrent training we are told about this and reinforced that this is available to us. Richard, whats your analysis . I think you can go so far as to try and protect against the rogue pilot. But you can only go so far. Im not sure what more you do. At the end of the day, there is a man or a woman that has their hands on the wheel of the or the side stick and at a particular point, they are going to lift that plane into the air or put that plane down onto the ground. Yes, there may be moments when they can do it dramatically by getting rid of somebody out of the cockpit and a twocockpit rule and all those sort of things. If they want to commit suicide in that way, there are ways to do it. Theres not an epidemic. Weve all right, high profile cases. Im not sure what more you do short of having everybody looking over their shoulder and the the essential lack of trust. If you lose trust in your colleague in the cockpit, you will be far worse off than the couple of occasions where this has happened. A year ago, mh370 disappear ltd. No cockpit voice recorder. We have no idea where that plane is. Presumably is in the bottom of the ocean someplace. There was a lot of speculation early on that maybe one of those pilots from mh370 wanted to do what we just saw apparently happen with this plane in the french apples. This is going to revive that speculation as a result of what has now been declared by the authority in france and germany. Probably will. I spoke with a senior Malaysian Police officer who told me again, that to date nothing has been determined about the captain or copilot on that flight to ipdindicate any psychological problem. And that may happen in this case. When the investigators in germany examine the copilots hard drives and social media, email accounts, phone calls, who hes talked to what hes said to various friends, colleagues neighbors, they may find nothing. As miles obrien said frequently theres no black box inside peoples heads in that cockpit. If they find them from the malaysian plane, maybe well get a clue. Maybe only a clue. Well see if we ever if we ever find those black boxes. Not even a scrap yet. Obviously that mystery continues. Much more coming up on the crash of flight 9525, much more on the victims. Also theres other major news. Were watching right now. Air strikes in yemen. Saudi arabia taking the lead with fighter planes and Ground Troops but the damage to antiterror efforts may be beyond salvage. The House Homeland Security Committee Chairman congressman mike mccaul is standing by live. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, weve always been at the forefront of advanced electronics. 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According to the Justice Department what hes accused of doing, he was planning once his cousin left the country, he was going to use his army uniform to try to attack a u. S. Military facility in illinois. How did this guy get on the investigators radar . It looks like what happened they noticed some postings online. So an fbi undercover agent contacted Hasan Edmonds and decided to start a conversation over which is period of several months they describe plots to try to join isis and carry out attacks both herein spierd by what they saw happen in paris, by the way, and also try to join isis. I should note that in the last 18 months the National Security division at the Justice Department has prosecuted or is prosecuting 32 people for traveling or trying to provide some kind of assistance to terrorist groups. 18 of those have involved isis. And this particular case army reservist. He was going to use his military Background Experience to try to help isis battle against the United States. Right. Exactly. Thats disturbing allegation here. Were going to get more. The chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, were going to get his reaction as well adds the dramatic escalation and now a fullscale war unfolding in yemen. Saudi arabia and other arab countries they are moving in theyre fighting proxies backed by iran. This is an escalating and very dangerous situation. Major heres our new trainer ensure active heart health. Heart i maximize good stuff like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. New ensure active heart Health Supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. Ensure, take life in. Want to know a secret . I wasnt always a redhead. Youd never know it though because its nicen easy color so natural looking its clairols 1 authentic color thats always true to you. 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He told them that the United States supports their efforts and will provide whats described as logistical and intelligence support to this major saudi led military movie. They come after the elected president was forced to flee his palace in southern yemen when rebel forces swarmed the area. Heres a breakdown of the battling groups. The elected government took over after arab spring demonstrations led to the departure of the then president. The iranian backed Houthi Rebels once confined to parts northwest of yemen, now they have joined forces with army units still loyal to the former president. Then theres aqap. Thats a key regional terror group that wants to launch attacks against the United States. Add to that a growing isis presence thats been detected. This is clearly a mess to put it bluntly. Lets bring in congressman mike mccaul. I want to get your reaction to what evan perez our justice reporter reported. The arrests of two more americans including one u. S. Army National Guard reservist apparently seeking to go off to egypt and head over to syria, hook up with isis. What do you make of this . Its very disturbing to see our National Guardsmen going to join the enemy in syria and his cousin plotting to attack a military base in the United States. We have that isis kill list thats been out there. And remember, just last week u. S. Air force veteran was arrested for trying to go join the enemy and isis in syria as well. This is a strangs development of our u. S. Military personnel wanting to join isis. The fbi and Homeland Security officials have been able to detect and destruct and stop these potential plots. I know you and other Homeland Security experts here in the United States youre really worried about aqap in yemen given their track record and wanting to attack targets right here in the u. S. How does it affect the u. S. Ability to deal with these terror threats . The administration called yemen the model of Counter Terrorism policy. I think that model failed and imploded. Now were seeing where the shia militants have tried to take over yemen. Aqap runningimpunity. I think this development in the saudis in collaboration with nine other arab nations to go in and stabilize and take out this threat is a positive development. And what i think it could be a role model for Counter Terrorism in the region particularly against isis as we look forward. The reason why the saudis are going into yemen. Its right in their backyard but also its the shia militant. Thats iran in their backyard not because aqap. I think again its a positive development if they can stabilize the region. The threat to the homeland is clear. Aqap the premier external Operation Force in the middle east is running free without any ability on our part to monitor. The arab nations can go in and stabilize this, perhaps we can have greater monitoring on the ground intelligence footprint which were lacking right now. I think youre right i think the saudis backed by the United Arab Emirates and kuwait and egypt, all these other arab states their real concern right now is that iran that they see as a bitter rooil right now will have this foothold right on the arabian peninsula. Theyre also concerned about the presence of iran in iraq and possibly syria as well which is why were having a hard time getting their support against isis as we speak. Yemen yemen, its right south of saudi arabia and its in that that peninsula. So they are very concerned about the presence of shia militants, iran in their own backyard. Thats why for the first time theyre standing up and acting and protecting their own backyard which i think again is a positive step. If we can look at that model of cooperation of arab sunni nations against sunni extremists and also shia militants have them provide the ground force while we provide air support and special forces to wipe out and destroy these terrorists. Im sure youve seen those reports, mr. Chairman that the u. S. Left behind in yemen for the what once considered Yemen Military 500 million worth of military equipment at various air bases including in the capital and a lot of that equipment now in the hands of these houthi shiite pro iranian rebels. How worried are you about this dwoemtd . Well, im very worried because its a failure of Foreign Policy has now turned over a lot of our capability to the enemy. We had the same thing happen in iraq when they went into mosul and took over the iraqi army folded and they took over a lot of our hardware and technology. Same thing happened in yemen. That kind of capability turned against us particularly aqap hell bent on attacking the west and the United States particularly. Could be a dangerous situation to the homeland. Mike mccaul is the chairman of the House Homeland Security committee. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. 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Officials now say it appears the copilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 crashed the plane deliberately. That based on the cockpit voice recorder. The copilot refused to let the pilot back in even when he was banging on the door screaming, let me in. He also says the copilot initiated the planes descent from 38,000 feet to 6,000 feet. The Prosecutor Says all that was done on purpose by the copilot. Those shocking revelations coming as grieving friends and families go on an emotional trip to the crash site. Were near where the families have gathered. How did they hear this terrible news today that the copilot took that plane plane down deliberately . Well it was the french prosecutor himself who met those families as they arrived in marseille airport. At least two flights have come in bringing relatives from the german side and the spanish side. Before the french prosecutor met the press, he received up to 200 relatives and told them the news first. He said he owed it to them to keep them up to date with every new detail. Of course the french prosecutor was under pressure to give out as much detail as he could after leaks overnight in the news media gave way of some of the details of the explosive new material. He said that many of the relatives expressed disbelief. He said that they did not have the words to express their surprise that this investigation had taken this kind of turn. He said then he was bombarded by multiple questions asking technical questions and legal questions as well. Families trying to to come to terms with just how this could have happened. And then of course the reaction from the press as he then went and dropped his bombshell publicly, even among the press, dropped jaws and shaking heads. Many just could not believe the explosive remarks that the prosecutor was making wolf. It was amazing. We were watching it live right here on cnn. Do we have an update on the teams scouring the Mountain Side right now looking for the remains of the people on board that plane . Yes absolutely. Again, the prosecutor going into quite a lot of detail about that. First of all, he said that the recovery of the bodies had begun yesterday afternoon. He also went onto say that because of the speed that the aircraft hit the ground death would have been instantaneous and of course we already know that theyre not necessarily looking for whole bodies but body parts. On that the prosecutor had some strong words. He said recovery teams were recovering remains bit by bit, one by one, and bag by bag. And as that recovery is done those body parts are loaded onto a stretcher, theyre taken to a morgue area on the side of the mountain. And that is where the process of formal identification and declaration of death is done. What he also said describing the area as very dangerous and very mountainous said that investigators were working in teams of two accompanied by experienced mountain guides. That enabled many teams to fan out across the Mountain Side and they were looking and marking any spots where they found body parts or significant parts of the plane as well. But he said it was a task that is going to take a long time. At one point in the press conference he said recovering all the bodies could take several weeks. He then went on and gave a little bit more precision and said perhaps by the end of next week or the following week most of the yeah and the french prosecutor with the chilling words with the cockpit voice recorder before it crashed said they could hear people screaming inside the plane, inside the cabin. Well check back with you, chilling information. Much more on the deliberate crash in the french alps. Our panel of experts are with us. Stay with us. Corrects for lane drifting. 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Eight minutes it took them to descend 38,000 feet and crash into the alps. They could have done it more quickly. Good question. Miranda asks why dont we have live cam ares on planes to when we detect something wrong we can help the innocent and take over and help . The airlines dont want it. I dont know one that shot 149 people at one time. That could be live sent to some place. Weve got the technology. They have to do it. Less a question for you from bob. Why is the second black box this is for you les so hard to find if pinging like its supposed to . Could the pinger be damaged . Well the pinger is used primarily for underwater situations. In this particular circumstance it would have been the emergency locater transmitter because of the impact with the ground. Back to the camera situation, that wasnt going to help this airplane. Having a camera in the cockpit, nobody else could have intervened but the crew members. Thats kind of why were not in favor of it. It doesnt really add to safety. Might give us a better explanation of what went wrong. As a result you learn from will lessons and avoid those down the road. Thats the other side of the argument. True. Let me get another question for his getting. Laura asked is it not possible the copilot was medically unconscious . A lot of people are wondering this. The Authorities Say the copilot deliberately manipulated the buttons in order to make that descent. They say that action be voluntary. New cars stop themselves before a crash. Why isnt there technology to prevent a plane from landing anywhere but the run way . Weve seen great advances in the use of drones discussions about pilotless planes particularly on cargo flights. I think were a decade a were from that technology being testable in the air. Heres a question for you tom. Is there a possibility the plane was hacked and that the copilot was framed . I think the problem with that is that you couldnt hack the door to be locked. You couldnt hack to keep the pilot out. As far as deliberately changing the trajectory of the plane to go do you think and fly into the mountain i dont see how you could hack that or prevent that from being undone if the copilot didnt want that to happen. Heres a question for you les from michelle. Plane was presumably full of fuel. Why wasnt there a fiery ex ex explosion unupon impact . The plane literally disintegrated. The fuel didnt have time toimpacted the terrain so quickly. What about under the influence of medication and other drugs . How often do they go through screening . Some go through annual and some do it twice a year. Whats interesting is they dont have formal psychological screenings. The Family Doctor that does the physical is supposed to look at them. Are they act ago strangely . Doing anything bizarre . Unkept . Theyre supposed to ask about drug use, are you feeling anxious or depressed, thinking of committing suicide . Theres no formal screening. Do they routinely look at major carriers take pilots and copilots and do drug screenings . I cant speak for european carriers but can for United States. We do random screening at this point in time. Its random at this point, alcohol and drugs. Peter has a question for me wolf. Its a serious question. Where do we go from here . I think this is going to be a wakeup call particularly on the medical and psychological screening area. As our correspondent indicated, often times they go to Family Doctors to get their screening. Its got to become more sophisticated and independent. As you pointed out to me what were learning to me could potentially be a game changer. Well have more coming up later in the situation room as well as throughout the day on cnn. Ill be back 5 00 p. M. Eastern in the situation room. Much more on the breaking news. Once again the ambassador to u. S. Will be joining us as well. Cnn news center coming up for international viewers. For viewers in north america, newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts now. Thank you so much. Well take it from here. Good to be with you on this thursday. Im Brooke Baldwin. This is breaking news coverage. Stunning revelations on the information of the downing of the plane. We are told the copilot deliberately crashed this plane into the steep slopes of the french alps. The audio file revealing the chilling moments the captain who left the cockpit momentarily is heard banging on the