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6 00 p. M. In london 7 00 p. M. In vatican city 8 00 p. M. In ramadi. Wherever youre watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. Weve got breaking news in the war against isis. President obama is now planning to send another 450 u. S. Troops to iraq after confessing just daysing that the u. S. Lacked a complete strategy for fighting the terrorist group. The white house now says those 450 additional troops will not serve in a combat role but rather will train, advise and assist Iraqi Security forces on the front lines in the Anbar Province. Thats been the site of many setbacks recently in the antiisis campaign. In particular, the fall of ramadi in anbar last month. The president has also authorized the delivery in weapons and equipment to peshmerga and sunni fighters under iraqi command and share a common goal of defeating isis. Those weapons will still go through the central Iraqi Government in baghdad. Right now, the u. S. Haas roughly 3,000 forces serving in iraq with these additional troops there will be 3,500 or so bringing the hundreds of new trainers in. L satisfy not necessarily satisfy the critics, though who say the u. S. Needs to be fighting more on the front lines and have spotters on the front lines to help in the air war against isis. Lets talk a little bit more about this latest strategy by the white house and the pentagon. Joining us from West Palm Beach in florida, retired Lieutenant Colonel james reese, cnn Global Affairs analyst and former delta force commander. Also joining us from irvine california bob baer our cnn intelligence and security analyst, a former cia operative. Guys thanks very much for joining us. Colonel reese, on monday the president at that News Conference in germany said there was a lock of good sunni recruits. Said it was delaying the strategy in iraq. Today the white house says that more trainers will be sent directly to Anbar Province to start directly training those sunnis. Colonel, what changed between monday and today . Because monday the president said there were more u. S. Trainers than needed. They cant even find the recruits. Well wolf you know between then and now is you had the discussions with the president by the iraqi president abadi. Prime minister. Hes asking for help. Sorry, the Prime Minister correct. Weve known that. Central command and the pentagon has these phased plans going in. So if the president makes a decision they can move quickly. I think this shows the u. S. Is committed even though i think its a dribble of support from my perspective. But it shows that perspective. There are concerns about the sunnis but i think it shows the sunnis that we are committed that if they get people coming to these bases that we will have people to train. Those extra 450 to 500 soldiers theyre not all trainers. Half of them will be for security and logistics and all those other places. So you have to look at that number for what it is. Bob baer, in a statement, the white house made it clear and im reading now these additional u. S. Troops will not serve in a combat role will augment the 3100 u. S. Troops who have already deployed to iraq. Because the big criticism is the u. S. Really needs combat troops on the front line spotters if you will, to help pinpoint those air strikes, right . Well wolf, i think it goes back to to the fact that the Central Government, the abadi government, is not responsive. Its still a sectarian government, the army is not being paid like it should be. Weapons going to the kurds are not getting through. It hasnt assembled sunni support so the more we get in there, the more its starting to look like Mission Creep and frankly i dont think we can turn this around without u. S. Combat soldiers. Im not recommending that but only we or iranians which is not a very good alternative, can change this. Because right now the Islamic State is still on the move. Yesterday they were around baghdad, theyre in syria and everywhere else. I dont see this stopping. We need a change in strategy. 400, 500 more trainers is a start but not enough. The statement also says colonel reese that the u. S. Will provide weapons to the peshmerga, the kurdish fighters to sunni tribal fighters as well mooed rat sunnis in an mar and elsewhere. But only these are the key words only in coordination with the Central Government in baghdad meaning all those weapons that might wind up in the hands of the kurds or the sunnis have to go through the Central Government. You know those sunnis and kurds, they dont tlaus sherust that shialed Central Government, do they . Well there is a mistrust at some point and Prime Minister abadi is trying to get this trust back. But this is where, again, the advise and assist role is across the spectrum not just with the combat soldiers going out, its with the logistics the supplies the leadership. There should be a diplomatic adviseandassist Mission Going on to help the iraqis. We cant just pick and choose. If were going to support the Central Government of iraq we have to do it this way. We need to have the oversight and help the iraqis learn and assist them to get the weapons where they need to go. Especially in erbil with the kurds and out best in the sunnis in anbar. Yesterday i spoke the iraqi ambassador to the United States. He was here with me in the studio. He blamed the United States, saying the u. S. Abandoned iraq at the end of 2011 when the u. S. Pulled out its troops. He made a point several times to say the u. S. Left iraq at that time without a single fighter plane remaining in iraq. What do you make of his point that the u. S. Is at least partially to blame with what has happened in iraq over the last full years and with isis . I dont agree with that at all. There was a status of forces they asked us to leave long before that three years before. We left a lot of equipment. The country is making a lot of none oil, they could have bought their own aircraft. We left a welltrained army. Maliki, the previous Prime Minister hollowed that army out with militias a lot of that money was stolen, a lot of that commitment because they gave up to the Islamic State in june. I dont hold us responsible for this at all. Iraq is a failed state theyre barely doing any better now. Wolf i think the situation is so dire i keep hearing rumors that the kurds are furious with the abadi government theyre not getting enough weapons, weapons meant for them theyre not getting oil income and theyre talking about breaking away from iraq which would be a huge step. But i dont know that thats going to happen but it tell i dont say how bad things are. Well see what happens. Guys this is a Major Development today. Well stay on top of it. Colonel reese, thank you. Bob baer thanks to you as well. Well have much more ahead on this major u. S. Decision to send yet more troops into iraq. Well get reaction from both sides of the aisle on capitol hill. The Senate Intelligence Committee Member james risch is standing by. And Ranking Member adam schiff is standing by as well. Plus after new information comes to light, police are back in neighborhoods near the Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate new york where two convicted killers escaped over the weekend. We have new information coming in. Stay with us. Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . You total your brand new car. 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Joining us flow capitol hill is the california democrat congressman adam schiff, the Ranking Member on the house intelligence committee. Congressman, thanks very much for joining us. I want to get some perspective on whats going on in iraq. Heres what the president said back at the end of 2011. Listen to this. So today i can report that as promised the rest of our troops in iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, americas war in iraq will be over. America americas war in iraq clearly is not over. What happened . I this i this maliki government as greg baer was pointing out, hollowed out the military force we trained up and equipped and as a result inflamed these sectarian tensions he continue to marginalize the sunnis and what we helped build up collapsed. And this points out, i think, one of the central challenges Going Forward and that is we can help the iraqis win battles, but theyre not going to stay won unless these political sectarian problems are addressed so this potential troop increase that it looks like the administration will move forward with i hope its accompanied by a new commitment from the Iraqi Government that it will step up the integration of sunnis in the military force of sunnis in the government governance of iraq so sunni tribes can be peeled away from isis otherwise these incremental increases in american troops or the spotters that many of my gop colleagues want none of this is going to make much of a difference if we cant get those iraqi tribes peeled away from isis. Yesterday, the iraqi ambassador to the United States was here on our program. He blamed the u. S. At least in mayor part for abandoning iraq pulling out all those u. S. Forces at the end of 2011 not even leaving one fighter jet behind to fight the enemy. What do you say to the ambassador . What i sty the ambassador is thats what the status of forces agreement required. We made an effort to extend our troop presence there and iraqis didnt want it. Some iraqis said privately they wanted us to stay but publicly they werent willing to sell the idea to their own people. So the iraqis are very good at blaming others but unfortunately the responsibility for the deterioration in iraq over the last several years and the growth of isil can be laid at the feet of those iraqi leaders who governed in a purely sectarian way. Its a matter of plain fact that these sunni tribes are not going to want to submit to an Iraqi Government that doesnt include them and even worse that they perceive as being run out of tehran so that is a governance problem that the iraqis are going to have to address and no amount of American Military training will overcome that. So i hope that part of the bargain for any additional american troops on the ground there in a training capacity is a real commitment that we will arm the sunnis, we will train the sunnis we will incorporate the sunnis into governance because that political problem still hasnt been addressed. As you know when the u. S. Pulled the u. S. Autoout of iraq, 25b9 about 200 people were left in baghdad, then it went to 1500 then 2,000, now today announcing another 450, about 3,500. Already youre hearing critics say this is Mission Creep reminiscent of what started in the 06 the 60s in vietnam to what which you say . We have to be on guard against that. Its very much a risk. Although i think frankly other things were doing pose a much greater risk of escalation. The special forces raid for example, in syria, where we captured or tried to capture abu sayyaf and resulted in his killing, that had risk associated with it more than sending trainers to iraq had one of our delta forces people ended up in a cage the way the poor jordanian pilot did you can imagine the pressure to escalate then. So theres a real risk of escalation. Its part of the reason why im so emphatic about trying to address the political problems in iraq because im not willing and i dont think the American People are willing to put americans in risk in harms way, to solve political problems for the iraqis. You Want Congress to pass legislation authorizing the use of military force against isis in iraq . The war has been going on now for ten months. We keep hearing about legislation. It doesnt seem to be going anywhere. Well it hasnt gone anywhere obviously. And thats a great tragedy and frankly we have only ourselves and congress to blame. Its our constitutional responsibility. We have some moves i think in the senate. Tim kaine has been one of the leaders on this. Weve been much less successful in moving this issue forward in the house. I plan to offer an amendment to the defense appropriations bill that will require us to have a vote and authorization to use force. Well see if i can be successful with that. Congressman schiff thanks very much for joining us. Thanks wolf. Up next well get a different perspective. A republican take on the new strategy tweak as far as the war in iraq is concerned. Idaho senator james risch is a member of the Senate Intelligence committee. Hes standing by well discuss whats going on. Plus there are so many questions surrounding the escape of two convicted killers from a maximum security prison in upstate new york. Now police may be getting some of the answers they need. We have new details. Stay with us. Kids are expensive. So im always looking to get more for my money. Thats why i switched from uverse to xfinity. 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Our problem is we cant get a clear definition of what the strategy is in the middle east let alone what the specific strategy is for iraq and, for that matter, for syria. So people want to help people want to do something, but the question is whats the point here . What is the goal . What are you trying to accomplish . The pentagon put out a statement which concluded with these words defining their strategy this effort the latest development, another 450 troops, this effort is in keeping with our overarching strategy to work with partners on the ground to degrade and ultimately defeat isil. Thats their strategy. Is that good enough . Well its pretty general. I mean we all want to do that. We all want to defeat isil isis daesh, whatever you want to call it. Everybody wants to do that. Our difficulty is how you do that. When you talk about work with our partners, okay what are you talking about . These 450 are supposed to train iraqi troops. Now, weve had two really serious disappointments with the iraqi troops. The first was when isis first crossed into iraq and two divisions just dissipated. They dropped their wednesday, uniforms and went home. The second one was the ramadi. There were substantially more iraqi forces there than there were of isis and yet, again, they fled. So you know, they weve got to have a bert strategy than this general statement to what youre talking about. So whats your recommendation senator . What would you do . Well i think first of all they need to negotiate with congress a specific strategy on the middle east and then drill it down to the to iraq and to syria. I think one of the things that needs to be done and its always left out of this equation are the people in iraq who are actually willing to fight. Youve got the kurds there who are good friends of ours who are fierce fighters who are willing to do what we ask them to do. They come to washington, d. C. All the time to ask us for help the Administration Says no we have to go through baghdad for that. So thats one thing that could be brought into the equation. But simply to look this we either should or we shouldnt. This middleoftheroad thing, well, well just kind of keep throwing a bit at it and hopefully this will go away or at least stay as it is until the next Administration Takes over this just didnt cutting it and meanwhile everyday isis gets stronger and we really need a specific strategy to deal with it. Not just 450 people. Theyre talking about well theyre going to train some more. The training isnt the problem. We spent hundreds of millions of dollars training the iraqis the Iraqi Military forces already. And look what were getting for it not much if anything. I would say billions of dollars not just hundreds of millions if you add it all up over the decades that the u. S. Was deployed there with 150,000 troops at some point. You want the u. S. To arm the Peshmerga Kurdish fighters directly. Heres what the white house says in their announcement today. They say this and ill read it to you. This will only happen the weapons that will go to the kurds in coordination with the Central Government operating under iraqi command to ensure our partners have the equipment needed to effectively fight isil. You dont trust the central Iraqi Government. You want the u. S. To provide those weapons directly to the peshmerga, is that right . Well, the words the white house put out interpreted means this isnt going to happen. Because the kurds are autonomous. They fight by themselves. Theyre very good. To try to look theyve been trying for a long time to coordinate this and it isnt working. The kurds dont trust the Central Government in iraq, the Central Government certainly doesnt trust the kurds. This just is not going to work. Having said that, if we dealt directly with them i think we would have some success. You know ill do with both sides all the time ive watched the performance of both sides and we know that one is successful and one isnt. So which one would you partner with . James risch, senator, thanks very much for joining us. Thank you so much. Thanks, wolf glad to be here. Thank you. Well move on to other news. They planned their escape with amazing precision but richard matt and david sweat may have had problems with their get away. But it could be the break that police Law Enforcement, need right now. Were getting new information. Well share it with the you when we come back. Wish your skin could bounce back like it used to . New neutrogena hydro boost water gel. With hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. For supple, hydrated skin. Hydro boost. From neutrogena. You total your brand new car. Nobodys hurt,but there will still be pain. It comes when your Insurance Company says theyll only pay threequarters of what it takes to replace it. 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Another source says Joyce Mitchell went to the hospital because of panic attacks. Mitchell supervised both inmates when they worked in the tailoring shop within the facility. The Public Information officer for the new York State Department of directions tells cnn prisoners use sew magazines and other sewing tools and that any inmate could apply for a job in the tailor shop. Meanwhile, the son of richard matt is speaking out about his fathers prison escape. Comprehend at first. Just shocking. Nobody would really expect that. Its in his nature. He escaped from attica before too. So i dont know. Our National Correspondent polo sand valueoval is joining us from dannemora dannemora. How is the community coping with whats going on . Wolf i can tell you it is business as usual for now. The main headline at this hour is that much of the focus of the investigation has shifted back on to this Community Since the search started five days ago. The new York State Police saying theyre really no specific tip or lead that brought them back here to the gates of the Clinton Correctional Facility but they simply want to retrace the steps that they made in the days and really perhaps hours following the discovery of that jail escape that search continues at this hour for richard matt and david sweat. We want to share these images that im sure youve seen already of new York State Police officers wearing body armor, heavily armed, walking the streets of dannemora, much of the attention focusing on here. Many of these images seem to indicate they may not have one solid strong lead taking them in another direction so coming back to square one as they search for these two individuals that are dangerous, wolf. Are people the authority there is where you are urging people to stay indoors or to simply go about their business . Theyre asking they go about their business. Simply stay alert. Just to put things in perspective, we watched some of these Police Officers walking down the street is but moments later we watched a mother and her two toddlers going out for a walk. Speaking of them theyre not really afraid theyre simply alert, so i think that thats the tone were seeing in this town. Many people here used to just living in the shadow of a prison. Some of the folks weve spoken to in the last several days not necessarily surprised. They were at least they were surprised it took this long for Something Like this to happen. But in the meantime school buses are running, people are driving around except they are having to stop for some of these checkpoints. Those are still throughout the community here wolf. Polo sandoval on the scene for us. Polo thanks very much. Were now hearing from a man who knows better than most just how sadistic the fugitive richard matt can be. As matts accomplice back in 1997 lee bates watched him kidnap, torture and then murder a man, a man he later dismembered and dumped in the niagra river. Heres what bates told our Anderson Cooper last night. If you wanted to take a pictures of the devil thats the face you would see. Can you explain what he did to his boss . It was a long ordeal. I understand he tortured him. He used duct tape to tie mr. Rickerson up. He beat him with anything and everything he could, a knife sharpener, a security device, the club for my automobile. He physically grabbed mr. Rickersons hands and pulled his fingers back until they snapped. Punching him, beating him. This is while he was duct taped in the trunk of the car . Even before. Starting throughout the car ride and then eventually well he opened the truck and mr. Rickerson told him ill take you to the money, let me out. And richard matt then said i dont believe you. I dont believe you. Youve been playing games with me i dont believe you. And in a fit of rage he reached into the car, grabbed mr. Rickerson by his head and snapped his neck in front of me. You actually saw that . You heard the . Yes, i did, sir. It was bates testimony about the crime that helped prosecutors get richard matt a sentence of 25 years to life. Meanwhile, theres another new development in the manhunt for these two convicted killers who escaped from that maximum security prison. Well have details of that when we come back. Willsboro, new york, is one of the areas where there was a possible sighting of the escaped convicts richard matt and david sweat. The town is about 30 miles or so south of the Clinton Correctional Facility, thats the maximum security prison. On the line joining us right now is sean gilla slandland, the town supervisor. Sean, whats happened over the past 24 hours in your town . Are they still there, the Law Enforcement authorities, en masse . Yes, they are. Theyve redeployed somewhere between 50 and 100 Corrections Officers again today. Theyre on the ground and pretty much the same area that they were working yesterday. You know looking in every structure and going through the woods and swamps and fields and thing things. Kind of engts anding more than yesterday but theyre still working it. We havent gotten any reports one way or the other but simply that they are continuing to search. I see a police on the ground Law Enforcement. What about in the air . Are there surveillance helicopters . Planes flying over with infrared devices to get some sort of search going . We have not seen any helicopters today. They are definitely being used yesterday between the thunderstorms. Youre the town supervisor, what are the authorities, state, local, federal, telling you . They i talk extensively with our county sheriff, richard cutting, and hes been the Law Enforcement liaison with all the other agencies i asked him basically do they move south or whatever. And he said theyre still looking in this area for a reason. Thats all he would tell me. Are there a lot of campgrounds over there . Camping grounds or like cottages cabins where people may have summer homes that are usually empty or maybe this time of the year before the full summer comes into play where potentially theyre looking through cabin by cabin. The town of essex has a very large seasonal population with camps and summer homes and things like that. Its mostly full time residents and farms so i dont believe that theyve been going to targeting any seasonal home ss. And as far as you know thereve been no additional sightings of two suspicious individuals or one individual in your area right . Not since the initial one on monday night, thats correct. Hows the community dealing with this . I think they were apprehensive yesterday. But i think i guess a feeling of calm has kind of come in. I mean, no additional things have happened and we also you know you see a lot of Law Enforcement presence in town so people life seems to be going back to more normal. Sean gilliland, well stay in close touch. Thank you. Thank you, wolf. Up next jeb bush meeting with world leaders, including Angela Merkel. But hes stepping up his criticism of another world leader were talking about Vladimir Putin. We have details from the next stop on jeb bushs european journey. Quiet mom has a headache had a headache but now, i. Dont. Excedrin® is fast. In fact for some, relief starts in just 15 minutes. Excedrin®. Wow, that was fast. The National Transportation safety board says the operator of the amtrak train that crashed in philadelphia on may 12 was not on his cell phone. The ntsb says phone records indicate Brandon Bostian was not texts, talking or on the internet as he operated the train. The agency is trying to determine whether the phone was off. The ntsb is investigating why the train went into a curve at more than twice the speed limit from 50 miles an hour to over 100 miles an hour. It derailed killing eight people injuring more than 200. Turning overseas pope francis today welcomed russian president Vladimir Putin to the vatican. The only other time the two have met was back in 2013 just five months before russia invaded the ukrainian territory of crimea. This latest visit comes as the Ukrainian Catholic Church asked the pontiff to protect its followers from russia. Also prior to the meeting, the United States had been urging pope francis to condemn russiasarussias russias actions in ukraine. I spoke with the Prime Minister last night, he called on the west to give ukraine more defensive weapons to help protect it saying russia is actively engaged in its country with troops on the ground. They deny there are any Russian Troops in ukraine right now. These are all ukrainian they say these are Ukrainian Forces who may be loyal to russia but these are ukrainian citizens fighting your government. I want to be very clear. More than 10,000 Russian Military boots are on the ukrainian soil and in addition about 30,000 of russianled terrorists trained by the russian army. Jeb bush is also stepping up his criticism of the russian president Vladimir Putin over the crisis in ukraine. The former Florida Governor is headed to warsaw, the second leg of his european trip. In a News Conference in berlin he called president putin a bully and he took a swipe at the obama administrations response to russias aggression. Ultimately russia needs to be a european country. And ultimately i think as the deal with putin you need to deal from strength. Hes a bully and bullies dont you enable bad behavior when youre nuanced with a guy like that and i think just being clear. Im not talking about being bellicose but saying here are the consequences of your actions and that would deter the kind of bad outcome that we dont want to see. Dana bash is joining us from warsaw. Dana this trip is clearly a chance for jeb bush to outline his Foreign Policy credentials, if you will before kicking off his formal president ial campaign on monday. Hows he doing over there . Reporter well you just certainly played a clip of what he is hoping his big message is going to be here which is if you want somebody who is going to stand strong against what he believes and many others believe is the biggest threat to countries like where i am right now in poland which is jeb bushs second stop then he will be the guy to stand up to putin even though it was, of course his brother back in 2001 who called putin trustworthy, and he said he knew that because he looked into his eyes. So you certainly have kind of jeb bush wanting to be that guy who is a leader that america can count on and even these countries here in europe can count on but, again, hes got the baggage of his brother, not just when it comes to the iraq war, not just when comes to other issues that europeans are concerned about, like surveillance but also about the kind of maybe relationship that he did or didnt have with Vladimir Putin. What else is on his agenda during this fiveday visit to europe . Reporter well he was in germany, and jeb bush not only gave a speech but was able to get a quick audience with the german chancellor Angela Merkel which is something that his aides are quick to point out that she doesnt often do. She tries to stay very far away from american domestic politics. Now he is here in poland and he actually made an unannounced stop at auschwitz, of course the concentration camp before he came here to warsaw. That was something that they didnt put on the schedule. They didnt take any press probably for obvious reasons but here hes going to do a similar thing that he did in germany. Wolf. Hes going to meet with the leaders, the president and president elect and will be a tourist as well and sightseeing before he goes on to estonia, and the theme here especially in these former soviet countries as i mentioned at the start of this discussion wolf talking about how he believes America Needs to be much more robust in defending these countries and supporting these countries not just financially but perhaps militarily. Dana bash in poland covering jeb bushs visit there. Well stay in touch. Thanks very much. Just ahead, we will stay on american politics. Marco rubios campaign firing back over a report in the New York Times on his financial troubles over the years. Some political analysts say this actually wind up helping rubio connect with voters. Ron brownstein standing by will assess. H type 2 diabetes are learning about longacting levemir®. 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Times points to rubios disclosures he owed 150,000 in Student Loans and 30,000 in other debt in 2000 and his decision to liquidate 6,000 in retirement account resulting hefty taxes and a purchase of 80,000 speed boat when his finances improved among other things. Lets bring in our political analyst ron brownstein. Does this report in the New York Times, does it hurt rubios campaign . Running against the media never hurts you in a republican primary. This is really about judgment not resources. I think the underlying issue they are trying to raise is i think this might raise for some voters it is whether this is someone, especially because hes a young senator, firstterm senator, whether hes had the judgment made the right kind of decisions that give you confidence to make decisions on the big stage. Similar to my view about the clinton ethical controversies. A certain number of voters this will matter to but weve learned over the last 20 years voters have a high tolerance to imperfections among the candidates and i dont think this will be dispositive. The rubio campaigning blasting the New York Times as elitist. First the New York Times attacked marco over traffic tickets and now they think he doesnt have enough money. Of course if he was worth millions the times would attack him for being too rich like mitt romney. What do you think of that response . Republican primary never hurts to go after the media, particularly kind of the big establishment institutions like the New York Times so in that sense its fine for iowa and new hampshire. The underlying issue that i think this is really raising is as i said about the judgment the choices that hes made and what kind of how that makes you feel about his ability to make choices on the bigger stage. I think in the end, as i said, there are some voters who will kind of recoil from this or make them feel a little queasy given his background but i dont think its going to be a big decisive issue. As you know if youre running for president of the United States almost everything is got to assume is going to be out there right . And as i say, what makes this especially kind of a little more tricky for him than it would be for somebody else is that he is a young firstterm senator after we have had a young firstterm senator as president that many republicans argue was not officially seasoned and tested so in that sense it could kind of point to an existing challenge or vulnerability for him. Look i think voters kind of the idea the way hes trying to convert it or turn it and i am like you. I have been economically squeezed. Thats not a bad response but that isnt really the real issue that the article i think is raising. Because ive had student loops, trying to pay back the Student Loans. Allotted of people can certainly relate to that. The other point in the first article noting he and his wife had a whole bunch of speeding tickets. Everybody gets speedingtics especially with the cameras out on the streets nowadays. What was that all about . I wasnt i wasnt in the editorial room when they decided, but i think that was a strange story and goes to the underlying question going is this someone who has exhibited the judgment and choices in his life that would give you confidence for him in sitting in that big chair, and as i said i said there are going to be some voters for whom all of this does raise some doubts but i dont think rubio challenges more about finding a spot in the race between jeb bush and scott walker the two poles. Gop at this point and has to find a way to emerge between them. These attacks in the New York Times, the stories in the New York Times, potentially could help him. In the near term but i do think that i do think an overriding challenge for him is you have a lot Republican Voters who after the obama experience only the third sitting senator in American History elected president. A lot of republicans are looking for executive experience something rubio will have to overcome and this sort of thing is just another little thumb on the scale kind of having to show that you have the experience judgment and gravitas for the top job. Ron brownstein thanks for coming in. Thanks, wolf. Ill be back at 5 00 p. M. Eastern for the situation room. Amman amanpour is next for our International Viewers and newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts right now. Wolf thank you so much im Brooke Baldwin. Youre watching cnn. We begin with the manhunt for the two escaped killers thats taken now the shocking new turn because heres what we know now. A source making some pretty explosive allegations about this woman here. This is Joyce Mitchell. Shes a female prison worker. Shes a mother and wife who apparently befriended convicted killer richard matt while working in the prison tailor shop. According to this source they say she was supposed to be waiting in a getaway car for these two but apparently she had a change of heart, perhaps cold feet. She bailed and her son though not buying it