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Unfounded allegations that russia had compromising information about the president elect. Translator these are clear false fictions. Trump came to moscow. I dont know when he came, a few years ago, and he was not a political actor. We didnt even know about his political ambitions. He was just a businessman. One of the rich people of america. Do you think that the Security Services are thrown out after every american billionaire . No. This is complete nonsense. Our Senior International correspondent Matthew Chance is joining us live from moscow. Our justice correspondent evan perez is in new york. Our International Diplomatic editor Nick Robertson is joining us from london. How unusual is it for Vladimir Putin to speak out about an incoming american president . It would be highly unusual and unprecedented, in fact. One of the classifications between donald trump and Vladimir Putin is that theyre almost constantly defending one another and praising one another. This is the latest instance of that. Donald trump saying that this whole dossier, this whole scandal is an attempt to undermine the Incoming Administration of donald trump. We heard from the soundbyte there that he was talking about how it was not possible that the Russian Security service would have any kind of compromising personal informational compromat, as they call it here, on president elect trump, and saying this is all part of the Obama Administration. The Outgoing Administration in the United States. Their attempt to subvert. An extraordinary defense of Vladimir Putin and coming a few days before donald trump takes office. Give us some context on the dossier, what cnn reported about it and putins response to it now. Well, wolf, this is one thing we know that Vladimir Putin did say and that we i think we all agree on is that these are uncorroborated allegations. Theyve not been verified by anyone. The fbi and the u. S. Intelligence community has spent some time trying to see what they can get on various parts of these allegations, and as far as we know, they have not been able to stand these up as yet. It is something that theyre still working on. On that account, both donald trump and Vladimir Putin are absolutely right. We at c nnn they were all over washington, and it was a way to make sure they were aware of what was being what that this dossier was simply out there. Western buzz feed that is but what is remarkable about what happened today with Vladimir Putins press conference is how much alignment there is in the way he describes this document these documents and the way the trump donald trump and his team have been describing it. Its almost very word for word the type of response that weve seen from them. Putin today says that the people who prepared this are worse than prostitutes simply because they were Donald Trumps political opponents, and thats exactly true. We know that is where these allegations came from. They were dug up by people who were enemies of his. Republicans and democrats. Right now its now in the hands of the intelligence agencies to try to see what is truth from fiction. He said nato was obsolete. Thats causing a great deal of consternation among u. S. Allies. Theres more reaction. Talk about the reaction to his latest comments on nato. Yeah, woflt. In the context of what were hearing is this is a 70 year flipflop, if you will. What were hearing is reaction in europe to Donald Trumps comments about nato being obsolete. Not fit for purpose. Not paying its way. His comments that brexit was a good thing, that more countries might follow suit. That he is not really concerned one way or another whether the European Union remains united. This is a flipflop over 70 years. On the one hand you have Vladimir Putin saying positive things about the future u. S. President and for the first time in so many decades you have now european politicians, french, german, and others saying the French Foreign minister saying in answer to Donald Trumps, the only way to defend against this is for the europe to stay united. You have the former french brm saying this is this is essentially declaring war on europe by not being clear about whether he wants a united European Union or not, and you have the German Foreign minister echoing what some of Donald Trumps chosen appointees for defense, for state department has said. That German Foreign minister said how can the president elect go against what his income, his pick to lead the pentagon, general james mattis has said about nato, that dmato is vital to United States. This is the level of consternation. This feeling that they are out of sorts with the United States for the first time in seven years, and then at the same time some warming of a relationship with russia. S xijing ping. Globalization has made millions of lives better. Thats in reaction to trumps intention to push the u. S. Economy in a more isolationist direction. Especially when it comes to trade barriers. Ironic, surreal, unrealistic. It was the most extraordinary thing, wolf. Here you had the communist party in the head of china coming to the heart of capitalisms elite and giving a speech that included quotes from charles dickins, the gettysburg address. The thrust of it, wolf, that was all about globalization. Its not responsible for many of the ills of the world at the moment. More than that china was determined to be part of the global economy. Now, that sounds like a bit of that we sort of heard before, but it has to be seen in context. As you rightly say, of a u. S. That seems to be disengaging and putting more isolationist policies on the agenda, whilest you have xi from china saying quite clearly, look, the oceans may be choppy, the winds may be severe, the seas may be stormy, but you dont sail back to harbor just because things get difficult. What xi said is to right down the barrel to donald trump. Dont start a trade war. Dont start protectionism. If you do start a trade war, everybody will lose. Our richard quest, thank you. Thanks for all of you. Our chief political analyst Gloria Borger is with me here in washington. Gloria, how unusual is it for the president elect to have inserted himself on the world stage even before dramatically being sworn in on friday . Its completely unprecedented. Donald trump either inadvertently or deliberately has been under cutting the sitting president of the United States, and i think thats part of the confusion from foreign leaders as well as confusion about what he is exactly saying because it is, in fact, quite different from what many of his cabinet people were saying in their confirmation hearings. To me its undistilled, modified donald trump. A lot of the things weave hear him talk about, which is trade or immigration or american first foreign policy, we heard that on the campaign trail. The confusion is about what happens with his members of his cabinet when they disagree with him. We dont know what the impact will be on other issues. Trump did say over the weekend something rather dramatic. He said i want my cabinet nominees to say whats on their mind, to tell us how they really feel, even if they disagree with me. Theres nothing wrong with that, but what you are suggesting is that creates some confusion internationally. It does create confusion internationally. Theyre hearing tillerson say that he supports the transpacific trade agreement. We know donald trump doesnt support that. They heard tillerson say that he had not yet talked to donald trump about russia, for example. What this and this is a question. We dont know when push comes to shove and donald trump has to confront some of his cabinet members on issues of great importance to the world what he will zo with disagreement. Will he trust his gut check or not. I would add one thing, wolf. This is going to be a real test of the balance of power in this country because congress has a lot of republicans who disagree with donald trump. They will clearly assert themselves as we see it occurring on the investigation of the russia hack, with john mccain and lindsey graham, et cetera. I think what were going to see is a congress that is going to assert itself and maybe very much conflicting with the sitting president of their own party. Were going to have to see how that plays out. Coming up, the Vice President elect mike pence is heading to capitol hill today while two of the Incoming Trump administration nominees head to the senate for their confirmation hearings. They may have violated the law. Were going live to capitol hill. Thats next. Allstate. With accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates wont go up just because of an accident. Smart kid. Indeed. Its good to be in, good hands. [he has a new business teaching lessons. Rodney wanted to know how his business was doing. So he got quickbooks. It organizes all his accounts, so he knows where he stands. Ahhh. Thats a profit. Way to grow, rodney visit quickbooks. Com. Vice president elect mike pence makes the rounds up on capitol hill today. A Spokesman Says pence will be meeting with lawmakers from both parties. Our senior political reporter manu raju is up on capitol hill ripe. What more can you tell us about the Vice President s visit . Vice president elects visit, i should say. Soon to be Vice President. Trying to get on the same page with members of his own party as the Administration Takes shape and comes into power come friday. Pence plays a pretty significant role as the key liaison to capitol hill as the trump agenda really starts to take shape. Now, what we know is that Donald Trumps plans for obama care and the republican plans to replace obama care may not be really united at this point. Thats because donald trump gave a weekend interview to the Washington Post in which he said that he wants to try to insure everybody with health insurance, with his obama care plan. I have talked to several Top Republicans who are not sure what that means. They have not seen any details of a trump plan, and theyre Going Forward with their own approach, a piece by piece approach to try to replace elements of the law and they want to focus on actually reducing costs. Not so much expanding coverage. This is part of an effort today mike pence to get on the same page with his own party on the key issue, wolf. Very interesting. Manu, the latest round of Senate Confirmation hearings gets underway next hour. What should we expect . Well, probably some fireworks in the evening session. Thats what betsy devoss, the Education Department secretary nominee. Shes someone that Senate Democrats have targeted as part of their effort to try to stop some of Donald Trumps nominees. They are concerned with their positions on vouchers and about Public Schools saying that she does not have enough experience on the issue of public schooling. She does have significant support from republicans to defend her record Going Forward. Also in the next hour, ryan zincy, the montana congressman chosen by donald trump to lead the interior department facing questions about his views on selling federal land, about possibly opening up new areas to oil and gas drilling and as well about his views on climate change. His nomination seen as less controversial than devosss, which is being targeted by democrats who are waiting for actually more information about whether or not she has any conflicts of interest given that shes a billionaire and has vast financial holdings. They have yet to see paperwork from the office of government ethics on her nomination, wolf. And well, of course, says have extensive coverage of both of those hearings. Youre reporting about a questionable stock purchase by the Health Secretary nominee, tom price, getting a lot of attention from lawmakers as you reported price bought some stock in a medical device maker only days later he introduced the measure that would have benefitted the companies. Just spoke to the Senate Democratic leader chuck schumer. What was his reaction . Well, he is calling for an ethics investigation, wolf, and he believes that price may have broken the law. If he knew about it. He is questioning prices defense that a broker purchased this without his knowledge. Some sharp words from the democratic leader. Take a listen. This is very, very troubling. This is not some broad legislation, cut all medicare and affect some Large Company like johnson johnson. This is a very narrow specific company that dealt with implants, hip and knee, and the legislation specifically affects implants. He puts it in. A week after he buys the stock, that cries out for an investigation. By the House Ethics Committee. By the House Ethics Committee or who knows . He knew about it, it could be a violation of the law. You think he broke the law . If he knew about it. Now, they say there is a broker kind of strangs that the broker would pick this stock. I think theres a very good chance that he will not be confirmed. Now, in order for him to not be confirmed, republicans would have to vote against tom prices nomination, and we havent gotten any indication of whether there will be enough defections to block prices nomination, which goes before his first confirmation hearing on wednesday, and prices office is pushing back on these reports saying that this is a Smear Campaign launched by democrats, but interestingly, wolf, price recognizing that the stock that he purchased could be a liability if he were to become health and Human Services secretary, promising to divest from that company because of possible conflict of interest concerns. One of the Cornerstone Campaign promises has been on health care. He has vowed to repeal and replace obama care as soon as possible. He could be the point person, the man weve been talking about, the georgia congressman dr. Tom price. The nominee for secretary of health and Human Services. Joining us now are National Politics reporter m. J. Lee, who has been a lot of reporting on this. Prices confirms hearing, as we noted, set for tomorrow. How has the trump team actually prepared him for these tough questions . He is going to be asked on health care plans. Well, wolf, the reason this is such a highly anticipated hearing tomorrow is because of the ongoing discussions to repeal and replace obama care as you and manu just discussed. Now, keep in mind tom price, the georgia congressman, he has been one of washingtons most vocal and critical members when it comes to obama care, and he has in the past released detailed legislation to roll back the health care system. Presumably, if he is confirmed as hhs secretary, he could play a very influential role in the partys efforts to repeal and replace obama care. That being said, i am told, wolf, by a transition official that price actually doesnt want the focus of the hearing tomorrow to be about his own obama care legislation. The way it was described for ple is that price doesnt want to signal, but he is asking federal lawmakers to endorse his own bill, and a part of his thinking is that he understands that being a policymaker is very different from moving into a position where he would be implementing and overseeing policy. Another interesting tidbit that i should mention too, wolf, is that price has not been a part of the ongoing debate among trump transition officials to write this obama repeal and replace plan that trump has been talking about. Remember, trump said over the weekend that he is actually close to finishing this bill and that he wants to release it as soon as price has been confirmed. Now were learning from a transition official that price has not been a part of those meetings and discussions. All told, wolf, the confirmation hearing tomorrow could be very contentious. He obviously could face many questions. Especially from Democratic Senators about his past financial investments. Coming up this hour on cnn, were going to hear directly from two lawmakers and the future of obama care and the dmgz who are boycotting president elect trumps inauguration on friday. And mr. Trump is coming into office with the worst Approval Rating of any recent u. S. President by a long shot. Were going to break down the latest numbers. Thats next. Stay with us. On a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. Your Insurance Company raises your rates. Maybe you shouldve done more research on them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. And if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you 24 7. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. Donald trump will be sworn in as 459th president of the United States in three days. He is coming into office with the lowest Approval Rating of any recent u. S. President. The cnnorc poll shows 47 approve of the way that president elect has handled the transition. Thats 44 points lower than president obama back in 2009. Its also lower than president s george w. Bush and bill clinton. How do the disapproval numbers compare to the poll numbers he had immediately after the election . Right. You just showed historically the other president s at this point at the inauguration, he is not measuring up well at all. Measuring up against himself postelection, take a look at this, wolf. We asked that question immediately after the election in november. 45 disapproved of how he was handling the transition in november. Thats up seven points now. 52 , a majority of the country, disapproving now. His own transition is just not wearing well with the public. It was asked why those numbers are increasingly bad as far as the transition for the president elect. Listen to what he said. Well, i think you can assume that it is because he seems to want to engage with every windmill that he can find rather than focus on the large aspect of assuming the most important position on earth, and obviously apparently according to the polls, Many Americans are not happy with that approach when he is not even assumed the presidency. I suspect he is complaining that trump seems to respond angrily to every bit of criticism thats levelled against him, whereas he should be stepping back taking the high road. Right. As we know, weve seen this behavior throughout the whole campaign. Even looking at donald trump prior to being a candidate, he just cant let something go. He doesnt seem to have any desire or ability to let a pitch go by, let a critique go by, and what weve seen throughout this transition period is a lot of contenti contention, chaos, consternation, and i think that that is, you know, the cause of seeing these depressed numbers. The our new poll also shows that a lot of americans are skeptical that he can actually keep some of his major commitments to the American People. Will trump defeat isis . 42 said likely. 57 said not likely. Only 44 believe he will build a wall along the border with mexico. 55 not likely. Just 29 say he will get mexico to reimburse the United States for the cost. 71 say not likely. What do you make of those numbers . Well, i mean, think about all those rallies where he would say to his crowd, who says going to pay for the wall . His die hard supporters no doubt believe he can get mexico to pay for it. Those numbers are troubling. When we tested economic figures, wolf, on the economy, the country actually has very High Expectations that he is going to accomplish his goal. Some 61 of americans say that he can get jobs, especially create jobs in those economically depressed areas. When you ask about renegotiating nafta, says when you ask about tariffs, these are issues when its the issue number one, the economy, that there are High Expectations and so if donald trump can meet them where a majority of the country thinks he will, perhaps his overall numbers will go up as well. Thats an encouraging number for him. 61 think he can create those high paying, good jobs for americans. David, thanks for the latest numbers. Thank you, wolf. Up next, senator rand paul. Ill ask him about the democrats boycott of the inauguration on friday. Also, well talk about republican efforts to repeal and replace obama care and whether ethics questions aimed at some of trumps cabinet choices could hurt those efforts. Senator rand paul live. Well discuss right after this. Laser precise 0. 4 millimeter tip for our most defined line. Allday wear. Waterproof. Maybellines master precise liner. Maybelline new york. 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Call now, request your free decision guide and start gathering the information you need to help you keep rolling with confidence. Go long™. The first of this weeks eight cabinet confirmation hearings starts in about a half hour or so. One of the most watched hearings will be tomorrow with congressman tom price, president elect trumps choice for health and Human Services secretary. Kentucky republican senator rand paul sits on the Senate Health education labor and Pensions Committee which will handle that hearing for congressman price. Senator, thanks very much for joining us. Absolutely. So are you concerned about these questions that have been raised about the ethics the ethics qualifications for congressman price that presumably not everything has been presented to the Ethics Committee yet . You know, im pretty excited about congressman prices nomination. He has been one of the innovative thinkers, one of the people putting out, you know, great ideas for trying to let individuals pool together to buy insurance at cheaper prices. I think he has a lot of great ideas, and he will be great at hhs, bit i think he will be more than just the secretary of hhs. He is going to be also involved with bringing forward some of the Innovative Market Solutions to try to help people get insurance at a cheaper cost. As you know, cnn has been reporting that congressman price bought stock in a medical device manufacturer just days before pushing legislation that likely would have benefitted that company. Will you be asking him about that tomorrow . I guess the question i would ask is when did he become in favor of not having taxes on medical devices . My guess is probably he has a 20year record of being eposed to that. I think that every republican up here was against the medical devices tax. I think its probably an overstatement to say somehow his buying and selling had to do with a position that probably he has had his whole entire public career. Senator schumer, the democratic leader in the senate thinks he could have some trouble getting confirmed, do you agree with him . No. I think the democrats have assured that all of the nominees will win because the democrats have said that we dont need 60 votes anymore, and so i think i havent seen any rebellion on the republican side, and so i think republicans are going to vote to let President Trump have his picks. This is the way historically it had been done anyway. For the most part, you know, right after george w. Bush was in, he got most of his nominees, president obama got most of his nominees. I dont know. I think theres still some sour grapes over the election, but were going to work through this nomination process, whatever it takes, but i dont see any of the nominees probably being defeat defeated. Do you whan he means . This is his replacement plan going to be covering everyone in america with Affordable Health Care Insurance . I think thats a goal of everybodys plan is the goal of my replacement plan is to have most amount of insurance at the least amount of cost. Even a governmental system is not 100 . I agree with donald trump. The goal should be to insure everybody. We should have the goal of being 100 access. Its not really that we have a difference of opinion on that. Democrats want the same thing. I think we all have the same motives. Its really the debate is about how you practically get to that goal. So if someone if people cant afford any health insurance, the government will give them the health insurance. Is that what you want . Well, we already have that. Basically if you cant afford medical care in our country, we have medicaid, so we already have a government system that supports those who dont have an income. What were trying to figure out is for those who do have an income, for those that do work, how do we find out how do we get insurance at a reasonable cost . The failure of obama care was that it made the cost higher, so if you are a working individual and youre working class and you are struggling to get ahead, obama care made your insurance too expensive to be able to afford. They said they would subsidyisu it, but where does the money come from . You need a thriving economy. The more people working, the less people have to be on government assistance and the less people have government assisted insurance. You need a thriving economy. You also need a marketplace where insurance marketplace allows inexpensive insurance. You need to let individuals band together so they can buy it as a group. Then you need to help them through Health Savings accounts so they can safe for their familys insurance. The russian president Vladimir Putin today weighed in on the transition of power here in the United States saying he thought the Obama Administration was actually trying to undermine the incoming president. Putin also said allegations that russia monitored trump during a trip to russia a few years ago, in his words, was rubbish. I dont have any control over the russian president , but i think its unseemly that people in our Intelligence Community, the cia director, is out there giving press krnss criticizing the incoming president. I think thats inexcusable. I would not have anybody in the cia thats publicly criticizing the president. Its not their job. Its not their role. Its, frankly, unseemly, and it takes away from the credibility. The Intelligence Community has a great loss of credibility in the last couple of years. James clapper came to the senate and lied under oath. Now we have the head of the cia publicly criticizing the incoming president. I think thats not the role of the cia. The cia should be in the background trying to protect our country and not out there trying to score political points. I think its a terrible and tragic day, and it hurts all of our intelligence gathering and their credibility to have the head of the cia out there doing this. The cia is behaving as if they were in nazi germany, is what the president elect said. Doesnt the cia director have the right to defend the men and women in the Intelligence Community . I think its very important that private information thats discussed in private Intelligence Briefings be private. Classified information should not be leaked to the press. I dont know who did this, but i can tell you in all likelihood, it wasnt a republican. It wasnt donald trump. It wasnt his people. This was either leaked to networks and other organizations by intelligence officials or by democrats that are part of the elite eight that get these briefings. Theres only a few people who could have leaked this information. The reason why this is important is that you dont want Public Officials who are being blackmailed to be afraid to go to the fbi and say heres this information. If a public official takes private information that you are being blackmailed with to the fbi and then it leaks into the public domain, that is inexcusable, and really somebody should go to jail and we have not talked about this enough. A leak like that is so significant if it came from the Intelligence Community, they should go to jail. If it came from the Obama Administration, they should go to jail. You cannot allow the leaking of classified documents, particularly whens it goes i dont know who leaked this. Im telling you what my position is that its inexcusable, and someone should be prosecuted for the leaks. You disagree with him making a comparison to nazi germany . I can only do my i can only vouch for what im for and for my statements. I would spend too much time if i had to defend everybody elses statements, but i would say my position is that its inexcusable and someone should be prosecuted, and its not just about this instance. Its about how we move forward as a country. Are we going to make it so Public Officials are not going to report blackmail because theyre afraid that either the fbi or the cia is going to leak this to the press . I dont know if they did it, but it was either them or president Obamas Administration or lead democrats in congress. Its a very narrow window. Theres about ten people that were aware of this briefing, and it became public. Now, im not blaming the news for reporting it. What im blaming is the government officials who leaked this broke the law and they ought to be prosecuted. Before i let you go, senator, i want to get your Quick Reaction to more than, what, three dozen democratic members of the house boycotting fridays inauguration. Were showing some pictures of some of them. Not all of them, but go ahead and give me your reaction. You know, before the election there was a lot of talk. Everybody was saying trump is not going to, you know, consider the election legitimate if he loses. Then it turns out its completely the opposite. Hillary clinton lost, says and her supporters are trying to say its not legitimate. I think that is not a good idea because its not good you know, even president obama realizes this that when an election happens, we should have a smooth transition even if our candidate didnt win. We should acknowledge that the elections are legitimate. We probably have more legitimate elections in our country than any other country on the planet, so i think to delegitize our licks a m elections is a mistake. Senator rand paul, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Were going to speak with him about his decision to skip the event right after this. There he is. He is standing by live. Its not a quick fix. Its my decision to make beauty last. 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Which gave him the idea to spend a little cash on some brilliant marketing ha, clever. Wow, look at all these new students way to grow, rodney know where you stand instantly. Visit quickbooks. Com. At last count 47 House Democrats are boycotting president elect trumps inaugural ceremony. Three others wont be attending and citing other reasons. Congressman ra ul is one of them. It isnt a victory party, its honoring the smooth transition of the power of the president of the United States is the argument, so why have you decided you cant attend and affect honor this principal american democracy . Well, the principal of american democracy is not in question. The president elect will be taking the office and will be the 45th president of the United States. The issue at here is at that mantle with the president of the United States, with it comes a great deal of responsibility. With it comes a its a solemn responsibility, it is a difficult responsibility and quite frankly, the comportment and the thinskinned response to everything by trump since the election and before the election leads one to conclusion that that mantle that hes not ready for that mantle. But beyond that, questioning the smooth transition or form of government that we had you know, clinton, carter, bush one, bush two, obama, they understood this transition period was about talking about unification, about making sure and the majority of americans dont feel theres a place at the table. That they can dialogue, that there are issues and concerns that might have lost in the president ial election are still valid valid and real in this divided country of ours. Do you believe that donald trump will be a legitimate president . He will be the president of the United States, the legitimacy question, and thank you for that, wolf, has to do with his open comportment and how he accepts the responsibility of president. The legitimacy questions come up when cyberattacks by russia that have been validated and verified by every, every Intelligence Agency that we have he dismisses them in a cavalier way, those are serious intrusion into our democracy, any conclusion needs to be investigated but thats conflict of interest, draining the swamp, the swamp is mechanici becoming murkier, so the American People with trust it is in good hands and i think what this president elect has failed to do is provide any real assurance to the americans that after the election there is a place in this government, this Representative Government of ours, for them and that there are concerns and issues will be heard. That has not happened. The attack on john lewis was not only an afront to him but to many who believe that the civil rights era, Voting Rights act that allowed people like myself to be in congress were legitimate, good changes for this nation and the list goes on. I just want to be precise, congressman, you say he will be president of the unite, but youre at least reluctant to say he will be the legitimate president of the United States, is that right . Figuratively, he is going to be president and as a consequence of an election. The legitimacy issue that you asked me about, i define it as capacity. And he has not shown the capacity at this point to accept that enormous responsibility and the unseemly behavior to senator rands word regarding how he responds to any criticism, t to any news conference, to ak except and be president of all americans that question is legitimacy yes. So you will not be here but boycotting with many of your thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. And thats it for me. Ill be back 5 00 p. M. Eastern in the situation room. In the meantime, the news will continue right here on cnn right after a quick break. Hi there, im Brooke Baldwin youre watching cnn, right now inauguration preparations are underway, in a matter of three days donald trump will be to the highest level in the land. Here is the latest polling from our cnn poll. Dogging the president elect