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Questions from Georgetown University students. I serve as a graduate chair of the geopolitics advisory board. As a policy student, i have a profound interest in studying trust in government because it is a corner storm cornerstone of policymaking. I hope to learn more about it from our guest tonight. It is these passions that make it my distinct pleasure to introduce our guests tonight, who was the former white house chief of staff. [applause] ron draws on four decades of experience in law, finance, policymaking, and politics to advise clients across industries on national and International Legal issues, crisis management, and the global regulatory environment. Having served as a key advisor to three u. S. President s, most recently as white house chief of staff in the biden herzig ministration, ron is sought after when stakes are at their highest. During his time as white house chief of staff, run oversaw the administration covid19 response and contributed to major legislative accomplishments including the American Rescue plan act, the Infrastructure Investment and jobs act, the chips and science act, and Inflation Reduction Act. His long history of Public Service includes serving as an assistant to president bill clinton and chief of staff and counselor to Vice President al gore. He served as associate counsel to president clinton and counselor to the u. S. Attorney general. He subsequently served as the senior aide to president barack obama and chief of staff to then Vice President biden. Ron is also graduating from Georgetown College of arts and sciences in 1983 with a bachelors in government. He came back to georgetown years later to serve as an adjunct professor. Ron returns tonight to discuss returning trust in government and will back the curtain on navigating todays political climate. Tonights conversation and q a will be moderated by the executive director of geopolitics. Georgetown university is committed to standards promoting speech and expression that foster a maximum exchange of ideas and opinions while is it it is recognized audience members may not share the views of the speaker, it is expected everyone in attendance will respect the right of the speaker and organizer of tonights event to share their perspectives and ideas and not cause a disruption in the events activities. There will be an opportunity for q a during which you may engage in dialogue with the speaker. Please be sure to phrase your comments in the form of a question. In the interest of time, we ask each person be concise and only ask one question. Also please join this evenings conversation on social media by tagging geopolitics and the hashtag. Without further ado, please join me in welcoming to the stage the moderator and ron klain. [applause] ron thank you so much for the warm welcome and your leadership on the student advisory board. Look at this crowd, this is awesome for the start of the semester. Welcome everyone. Ron thank you all for the warm welcome. Even if the crowd is just to get airconditioning on a hot night, i appreciate everyone being here and the conversation. We will get into a lot of stuff tonight, underneath this umbrella theme of restoring trust in government, i have known ron for many years. I was going to call you a mentor but i just heard you tell group of students in our office that having a mentor is overrated so i cant feel like i can call you that anymore but this guy has done just about everything worth doing in government. And in politics. We are the institute of politics and Public Service. A lot of people come here because they like politics, like come because they like Public Service. I like to focus on the word and because you cant early have one without the other, the two have to coexist. A few people understand that few people understand that better than ron so we will talk about these themes but what i want to start with is there is no one that bleeds joya blue like this guy does. I want to kick it off with a question. Would you say you are your georgetown education was entirely or mostly responsible for all of your professional successes . Ron i would say almost entirely for a number of all, i got an amazing education at georgetown, a credible incredible professors and really learned so much about government and philosophy and political theory and all kinds of things like that that really have served me throughout my career. Secondly, on the first dam moved into darnell hall. [applause] [cheering] i met my wife who his for Student Government president iran successfully and it talk me a lot about politics too. She has been a great friend and partner for nearly the 40 years further nearly 40 years we are married. Virtually everything is good towns and happen to me because i went to georgetown. [applause] mo we will hope the student questions later dont break that streak for you. [laughter] you have worked in all three branches of government, you have advised the Senate Judiciary committee where you first started working for your most recent boss. You have advised three president s, you have coordinated the federal governments response to not one but two Major Public Health crises, the Ebola Response under president obama and covid respond to the beginning of the Biden Administration. So you have a unique perspective on the importance of trust in government. Pew research has been tracking public trust in government for decades. When they first started tracking it in 1958, about 75 of americans said they trusted government. In 2022, that was down to two in 10 and has been hovering around the number going back to the second bush administration. Why . Ron i think a number of factors. I think one, people our age, trusting government declined with the war in vietnam, seems like the government mismanaged and had excuses for failures of the watergate scandal. I thing a changed how we saw government and whether we could trust our leaders. For younger generation, the socalled forever wars in iraq and afghanistan also contribute it to the lack of trust and the sense the government did not know what it was doing. I think that added to that sentiment. I think more recently i think you take all that and add to it the general polarization in our country right now, the division by social media and other factors, and you have a formula for distrusting government. Present a biden said in his inaugural address the most important thing he wanted to do was he got to work on that by managing a Covid Response and god everyone a chance to get vaccinated. By restoring u. S. Leadership around the world. And by achieving some powerful successes he wanted to show to the American People and to the world at large that a democratic country could still deliver change. You need an autocratic soup managed, to rambunctious the president rejected thought. The a Democratic Values and robustness of our as a country. We showed that to the world. Bypassing the rescue plan that got americans back to work and got them vaccinated and passing the infrastructure build making infrastructures ready to compete in the years ahead. The chips and science act. And then putting us in the lead on fighting Climate Change. With jobs being created in wind power, solar power and alternative energy and construction of electric vehicles and batteries. They will have to see the results but the problems are obvious. You have to look outside the evidence. As the government going to do something about it. President biden achieve that it can produce report results. And hes done that was some exist success. Sneha there is a major survey think cajun stressing the gauges trust in institution. More people who lived under authoritarian governments had more trust than authoritarian governments. But then again if someone asked me in an authoritarian government and they asked yes or no i would say yes. But democratic regimes were buying falling behind authoritarian regimes. How big of a problem is this . You just went through a whole litany of accomplishments but governing can still take place how big is the problem of public mistrust in government. Ron i think it is a big problem that President Biden has had success in addressing. I think people who have faith and autocracy look at what happening in china. Their economy is flatlining as ours is growing. They came out of covid with mass deaths and economic problems. Ask yourselves, is that a more effectives system . I think there is a problem with trusting government. A trust in authority. We have had a lot of vaccine resistance and doubt of scientific expertise around the Covid Response and other issues like climate. That is a problem. I think the bided theory, the answer is show people results. The biden theory is show people results. Connect people to broad speed internet, move us into the Energy Transition that creates jobs and makes our air cleaner and preserves our planet. That will help restore the trust in government. But it will take time. These numbers did not happen overnight. It was a multidecade problem and it will not get fixed overnight. Mo you talk about polarization as being part of the problem. In that pew survey, only 9 of republicans right now say they trust government. Only 20 my percent of government. 40 of democrats and only 15 of republicans. The mistrust of government is something we all agree on. Ron government is a broad face that covers a lot of things. One institution that costs the trust of the American People as the Supreme Court. I think a lot of the distrust is centered around the Supreme Court with its ultraconservative rulings. People look at that is the government and is not the Biden Administration the government. I understand why a lot of people who care about individual liberties have distrust in the Supreme Court and his dedication to those things. It adds to that on the side of the democrats. We have a divided government with the very conservative Supreme Court and a democratic president and senate and a republican house. When you asked to trust the government who are you asking me about . Is a complicated question. Mo lets talk about some key issues that you face in your most recent tour of the white house and i want to talk about some of the risks that are driving some of this. I believe, and i think you would agree with this that the 2020 election between joe biden and donald trump was not a referendum on covid or on the economy it was a referendum on chaos it was just a very tumultuous time and he was portraying himself as less bring in the grownups. You have to deal with a lot of big things and lets start with covid. When you run ran the Ebola Response 50 said they trusted the response to the ebola outbreak. Covid seem to be a polarizing issue whether it came to how long the school should be open or whatever. Can i even go to a restaurant . Talk about how you guys tackled it within this context of restoring the Publics Trust during this major crisis . Ron during the ebola we had challenges helping west africa but we only had one case of acquired a bullet in the United States and one case is able to develop trust that were doing a good job. Our major focus was trying to help those african countries defeat the virus they keep it from being imported to the u. S. In the course of that President Biden had to make some hard choices. They sent 3000 troops to help build infrastructure for the ebola virus there and help distribute medical supplies and other things that were needed to bite the bullet in west africa. Fight ebola in west africa. There was expected to be one million but there ended up being 50, 60,000. A lot of the intervention of the United States, france and those in the European Union there were so many people voluntary with the dangerous effort. With covid we saw something else, we saw the virus first came to our country we had a lot of denial and complications because the case counts as go up and distrust in science and confusion about it. No real plan to give President Trump credit. They had no plan to distribute the vaccine so we had millions of doses of vaccine and we had to be prepared to buy more vaccine and get it distributed to the American People. In the end is some ways that became people didnt give us credit for an accomplishment where we were headed for a disaster if we hadnt strained out the vaccination program. There was a trust problem. Every time theres been a new vaccine theres been a vaccine hesitancy. With the polio vaccine it took years to get people vaccinated. There was a famous event of Elvis Presley going on ed sullivan and that was seven years after the vaccine had been introduced. It got people acclimated for polio. There was always vaccine persistent at this time resistance but there was more polarization this time. It should not of been that way. President trump deserves credit for getting the vaccine into its adult stages. When we took office i understood vaccines were masks were a political issues but i could not imagine that once we had a vaccine there would be people who say i dont want that. But we had a lot of thought. And we still do. Mo i could keep talking about covid but when i but i want to tell about other things as well. There was probably no point that really crystallized the president had pretty solid approval members until the withdraw from afghanistan and that is when we saw a decline in his approval numbers and when a lot of people said you said you were going to be the grownups in the room what happened . Can you talk about that. Ron we inherited an agreement between the government and the taliban that we had to be out. The taliban had agreed to stop attacking troops if we left by may 1. People thought we could lose leave our troops there and we would be fine but they said if we did not leave there would be traps and we had to support the troops in afghanistan. President biden did not want to pass the war on afghanistan to a sixth president and he promised to in the war in afghanistan and we had been there for 20 years. We had originally gone to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice and we were still there. It seemed like the purpose of us being there kept changing all the time in the president. That the men and women of our Armed Services did not have to go there and night and rest their lines and an omission to bring al qaeda to justice had prevailed and it was time to end our president presence there and we had other missions in our country and sending people overseas to fight and more risk coming to more and more americans as the taliban threaten to attack so he made the decision to end the war and announced it to the American People. The question is and we got all of our troops out and what do you do with all the civilians in afghanistan who had been helpers to the armed forces and dissidents of the taliban and who would be at risk . Whats the taliban took over the country . In august, the afghan did not want us to have a Mass Evacuation because they thought it would collapse the Afghan Government showing the people fleeing the country. But it august, as the taliban marched towards kabul the order to civilian evacuation of kabul and we sent 6000 troops back into kabul around the airport so we could run in evacuation and what happened was and though it looks chaotic it was the most successful military acquisition in the work world. Other people who were left behind that wanted to leave. Millions wanted to leave and i understand it we try to prioritize the people who directly helped our troops and most risk from the taliban regime and we got a lot of them out. Near the end of that evacuation we had attacks at the gates of the airport and we lost 116 Service Members and they weres severely injured and that was the darkest day of my Public Service and it was a tragedy. But those 13 heroes were part of a mission that saved 120,000 people and got them out of the country and we got everyone from the Armed Services all out safely and back home safely. It was a Difficult Mission in the military did a good job of executing the mission. On the first day of evacuation said in a cnn reporter said there was no way he would get 50,000 out and we got 120,000 people out. I give our generals credit for that. It was a Difficult Mission to fly military and civilian plans out of the airport with terrorist threats all around the airports in the pilots flew those missions and the crew members who staff those missions were heroes and we saved a lot of people that way. Mo so . Ron i think it was the right decision to in the war. They got out after 20 years and spent one trillion dollars in lost thousands of years fighting in afghanistan and it was not clear with the objective was anymore. Mo i want to read the question of my sent. This is a longtime republican hill staffer. Who i dont agree with and we have done a lot of political wars over the years. I respect him. He suggested i ask this question but i paraphrased it. Doesnt restoring and government acknowledging mistakes . We know trump would never do so but the biden is supposed to be the adult. With the cdc being wrong is school struggling reopening doesnt that cause distress . I think a lot of people on the opposite side of the aisle, and we could do the same exercise if i was talking to Mick Mulvaney right now about the trump administration, this whole notion when making mistakes, as part of the problem the government so really i was up to them . Ron we try to answer for our mistakes. On schools, he got the schools open. When he was becoming president most schools were closed and by the next year they were reopened. How did we get them back reopening . The republicans said gelatin teachers and tell them to go back. We priorities teachers and got teachers vaccinated. They did not want to go back if they did not feel safe. People did not want to risk their lives and i understand that. By not yelling at teachers to get the vaccinated we got them back into schools and open. If someone kept the schools closed they should own up to that but that wasnt done. I hear this all the time about covid, i heard President Trump talk about the lockdowns. Those happened while he was president. Since he has been present weve reopen the country and that stinks to getting people vaccinated so they could go back to work, school, business, restaurants. It not perfect in preventing infection but does prevent severe illness and getting a distributed and easily available we facilitated that. Also, developing medicines to treat covid help people get back to health. Our approach to schools i dont think was a mistake. Mo in about five minutes we will invite you into conversation. Feel free to lining up now. I want to ask a question. It is a politically oriented question. Its not about the upcoming election per se, i am wondering if you have thoughts on political reforms that we can and should pursue that what is the result help restore some of the publics faith and trust in government . Ron i would start with the fact that we make it far too hard to vote in this country. They have to believe in the government they elected and i think you should much should be much easier to vote. I think that making it harder to mail and harder to register to vote, those are a step backwards. We are a democratic republic, a republic is a form of a democracy and it rests on the ability of the American People to choose their leaders. I think our country is one of the countries that makes it hardest to vote of any major democracy and we should do Voting Rights reform to make sure that people who want to vote can get registered and can vote without being overly challenged. I think we distro their form is very important. There is an old saying that voters select representatives not representatives picking their voters. We are seeing representative payee voters and we have highly polarized districts and highly skewed districts. The state of wisconsin it is a 5050 state and they prove that in every president ial election. But its listed as two thirds vote republican because of gerrymandering. We need to fix that so the districts but reflect how voters actually feel. Mo lets go to your questions, when i point to you tell us your name, your school year, where you are from and your question in a form of a question. Lets start over here. My name is paloma and im in my second year in Public Relations and im from dallas, texas. I was starting a new job at the white house and a lot of us are seeking similar opportunities what advice would you give to young people beginning their career in government who want to work in public trust to the extent that they can . Ron you are here in georgetown, you came here for a reason. It is a great school but it is in washington dc. Every summer, this study is crammed full of kids who come here for 10 weeks to get the experience you have all year round. A chance to work in government, work on capitol hill or a thing tank or something else. Thats a unique chance that georgetown will afford you. Take chances of the opportunities you have here. I know the school work is hard in the social life and other things to do. You have four years here living amongst each other to get a hands on experience like youre about to get. The second thing is, we didnt have geopolitics when i went here. But its a fantastic addition to the campus and the opportunities to hear people talk and meet people and work with fellows its an exceptional opportunity. The third thing i would say, im alluding to this, when people give career advice they talk about mentors. Mentors are overrated because as a young person the mentor is older and as you move through your career the mentor dies or retires and is not helpful anymore. What i say is the most important relationships are with their peers. It is your peers here at geopolitics at an internship and peers that move through your career with you are the people who will be colleagues to view for the rest of your life. They will move up its said urinate and know your Job Opportunities for your age and stage. Building that peer network is vital and important. A lot of people who are senior officials in the Biden Administration we started after the Clinton Administration and that peer network is important. Thank you. And congrats on the new job. Mo i am Darius Wagner and her freshman at the college from brooklyn, new york. Welcome back to hilltop. As we speak about restoring trust in government you have received one of the most controversy will we speak about the Inflation Reduction Act but we see postal reform, osha shipping reform and the respect for marriage act. How did you maintain such a Discipline Team to shepherd through large pieces of legislation and the hyper polarized environment . Ron im a big believer in teams. You get a lot of claimant dont deserve a lot of things. I need to talk about my colleagues at the white house that i was proud to work with his chief of staff. Team is important there has to be mutual trust and respect and thats a critical thing. Second thing i would say is diversity is vitally important. I put a big emphasis on it the majority of the white house is female we have representation of africanamericans and hispanics. I think building a diverse, Trusting Team is the key to good results in any endeavor especially in politics and Public Service. The team we had was firstrate. Mo over here. My name is chris and im a junior majoring in government. I volunteer for campaigns. Can you tell us greg allman gave all men gabe allman. I helped him throughout his campaign and help them get money for campaign. I think you will be a great congressman. He did a wonderful job at the white house. Ron he helped cities and states deal with the crises. He would get a call if a hurricane came and he was amazing at that work. It didnt matter whether local citizens were republicans or governments he wanted the government to work with him. I think you will do a good job of serving the state. Mo over here. Ron my name is James Nicholson and im from massachusetts. I want to ask you, a lot of people credited you and your work for executing really big ideas and executing them well. What do you think the role of filtering out the noise not from traditional media but the noise from social media . Ron i got criticized for being active on twitter. We have a club of former chief of staff that we get together and we said no chief of staff should be on twitter. I found it twitter and helpful. If you go on twitter and read it you know what people on twitter think but not the American People take. But a lot of people reporters and is helpful to guide strategy. Secondly, my view was joe biden had a lot of grace roots grassroots supporters and its hard to communicate directly. Twitter was a way to reach supporters who would docket to otherwise. Its important to filter out and turn out the noise. In january 2022 where weve been able to pass the Inflation Reduction Act and then it look like it was stalled and lost on Voting Rights and that joe biden should fire me and i asked the president if i should be prepared and he said no, so i decided to ignore it. I would read the snarky things that were being said and when we came together as a team we decided to stick it out, stick together. We did not have fingerpointing or secondguessing. We linked arms and redoubled our efforts to move forward and we got it done. Mo there is a story of love from that period. One of the things he took from the white house was a rock. Just a rock given to you during that period. Ron i met with legislative affairs and in that period she walked on the beach and she brought me back a little rock she said you are the rock of the stephen this team is behind you. You are the rock of this team. To have members of your team back you up was the thing i was most proud of and i was grateful for that loyalty and support from my team. I am sorry, thank you. Thank you for that. Mo my name is evan cornell, i am a freshman in the college of arts and sciences. I am from high springs, florida. If we would see a decline in misinformation how large of a job would we see in Americans Trust in government . Ron misinformation is a challenge. It is getting worse, not better. New Technology Tools make it easier to spread this information to make it look like real information. This is a challenge in politics. Culture is a big issue. Welcome back to the Covid Response. With the for example, there were cultural burial products of washing the bible and is most can tedious most contagious when people die and people were getting it at the funerl. E people would come to be and say how can people who dont accept the science or information, how come there is such distrust . As this was going on we had a Measles Outbreak in california because people would not get measles vaccines. Before we judge other cultures and their accepting we should look at our own. Excepting expertise we should look at each other. It was about the messenger and having religious leaders say to their followers, this is a part of our religion and we should not do that us because it puts you at risk. I think that is the challenge with misinformation, they need better messages and messengers that people connect with. In politics, people trust information from their neighbors more than the trusts the national news. That is one of the most vexing problems because with social media, your neighbor can tell you something wrong over the fence post or put it on facebook and give out that information. We need to build up not just trust in the messages but the messengers two. Mo will ai make this problem better or worse . Ron i think both. It has the potential to generate false images that seem real and false messages that seem real. But i think he can help sort through some of the junk on social media and help it but her are platforms. Thank you for being here tonight. My name is braydon, and im from south bend, indiana. I know you are a hoosier as well, what advice would you give to democrats in red states who want to further their own careers but help their own community as well . Ron indiana is complex and difficult. When i got into politics i worked on a 1980 campaign and at that time they had small auto making talents. The areas around the big cities supported the republican partys. Now its flipped with small towns are very republican and very red in the suburbs are increasingly democratic. Im trying hard to help one of my friends who i grew up with become the democratic mayor of carmel, indiana. Even though i didnt do it i hope people like you move back to indiana and help build the Democratic Party. President obama carried it in 2008 we have had democratic mayors outside big cities. Pete buttigieg is a part of those new leaders that denigrate job in south bend. I want indiana to become a more Democratic State and we need good people working on campaigns and get elected. My name is dylan a firstyear in the mp program from michigan. It seems the biggest problem for the Democratic Party is communicating the successes they managed to achieve. Why do you think thats the case and what could be done to fix that . Ron we say its a Communications Problem it oversimplifies it. We got this infrastructure bill which was an amazing achievement. Why are people happier . They wanted infrastructure so you have to build the bridges, build the roads and connect people to broadband. We say we pass a bill you should be happen but then they say my roads are still broken. The credit comes when you do the doing not the legislating. Legislating is a major achievement. I think you can expect people to be happy about it until they see the results happen. Sometimes it takes time to get things going. I am arthur, a freshman from new york city. Weve been talking about communication mistakes and successes. What does ideological rejection of government play into this like on january 6 . Ron that wasnt ideologic rejection of government and people trying to intervene in the transition of power. They did not accept the results of the election which was the joe biden one. Won. We have always had antigovernment strain in american life. That has always been a part of our life. People are so optical of government is healthy for the government but rejecting democracy itself is not a healthy thing. That would risk everything great about this country. First of all thank you for coming. Im a freshman who plans to study history and government. Is it lack of trust based on the view that government and corporations are corrupt is the solution a solution like Theodore Roosevelt introduced in the late 1890s . Ron i think some of it is corporate and misalignment of agreements. To me, the gun issue most americans think we should ban semi automatic rifles. We are the only country in the world that has access to those weapons in their responsible for every mass shooting and we have won almost every single day. People dont understand why the government can do something about it. Why dont we do something about that . Lack of trust in government is, why cant you do something about this. President biden has not had the most to do it yet. I think progress on problems as part of restoring trust is speaking frankly to people is a part of trust. Mo i think looking through this with the Historical Context and supported. If you look at the speeches given a century ago you hear the same rhetoric. One century ago we were going through a transition from agricultural to industrial based economy. Now we are going through industrial economy into information based economy. When you see that wholesale change to create social and economic and political turn turmoil that freaks people out and sometimes government is the slowest to respond to that. Is the cultural and social upheaval that i think its one of the Biggest Challenges for the government to tackle. It can tackle economic upheaval but how does it alleviate peoples anxiety when they see the world changing so rapidly before their eyes . Ron the cultural anxiety and economic anxiety are closely tied. We know where a lot of this anxiety is like manufacturing talents, ones that used to be robust and vibrant and making parts. One thing i did in his try do is restore u. S. Manufacturing jobs. By Manufacturing Products for the Clean Energy Economy is starting to restore attempts manufacturing. Why is that important . It is a high skilled job that pays a good wage and does not require a Fouryear College degree. The biggest fallout we have is people who have a four year degree and those who dont. Without fault line is a big dividing line. Part may be cultural and that some people dont think without a degree they dont have of economic future. He is trying to bring back the sixfigure jobs where you dont need a college degree. We will see how that does when these plans go into effect in those jobs are being created. In terms of a new progressive era, is as active in era by passing legislation and tackling competition issues and crackdown on abusive and opening the market on hearing things and stuff like that. People will feel like the government is aligned with their interest and not just representing special interests. My name is luke zucco, a freshman from maryland. It seems like in the past decades there has been a fragmentation of the sources from where people get their news including on social media and tv news individual getting news about a government from increasingly politically biased sources. To what extent has that contributed to the decline of trust in government and how can the government continued to give Clear Communication in the face of this . Ron there is no question that new sources got more fragmented and most of americans use watch, when i started out most of us watch the network nightly newscast each night. Very few people watch those new cast and get their news from social media. Political bias in the media is nothing new. There used to be a newspaper democrat and republican and partisan newspapers dominated the news. The only journalism as far as the effect on media. The fact that we dont have shared sources of information exacerbates this dynamic. I think we will continue to develop challenges for policymakers to try to communicate through that noise get messages across to the American People. Thank you for coming. My name is Michelle Mesa and im at the school of policy management. Apart from the reality we live in hyper politicized times. Before we use to agree on how we do things, big or small government some policy a, b, c. Now we disagree on the what, is there a way to get back to political normalcy and if so, how do we do that based on the reality of mistrust that is one of the things. Distrust between each other in between us and the government. When that cycle repolarizes us . Ron part of that is showing that government can produce results and products on problems. President biden restores the idea that there can be a bipartisan work. The infrastructure and shifts in science acts were examples of that. Communicate clearly and directly about what your goals are and what they are doing. Your former boss came from a purple state and had great confidence in environmental leaders and Business Leaders for his leadership on the environment. When his name first came to bidens attention people raved about him. People like mike regan impute buttigieg and Pete Buttigieg could play a part in this. There how be results, people want to see results. The epa was created by a republican president. Times of change but in the end, people have toxic waste and they want it cleaned up. If it isnt the government is failing and if it is the government is making progress. Thus a way to restore trust of the government. We have time for one more. Sorry for those of you still online. I am a graduate student at Environmental Management i am from india i wanted to your advice on how one should go implementing policy changes especially when your stakeholders are not accepting of these changes and public favor is not in favor of these changes . Ron its important to people to tell people what the changes will produce. To climb and this issue, there were prior efforts to combat Climate Change by putting attacks on carbon. Things like that. In the public saw that as punitive and they saw that is hurting the economy. Would President Biden developed his campaign he said we will bring in organized labor in finding a Climate Change that they will support and will create jobs. When i say climb and i think about jobs. You emphasize that it creates Economic Opportunity with supported to getting the support we needed to pass the Inflation Reduction Act. It was to show that we could work on Climate Change in a way that is good for the economy. Thinking about what peoples rejections could be for policy how you can address a policy to minimize those objections effects of policymaking. Mo i want to ask one last question before you go. We spent most of our careers in Public Service and politics. You are speaking to a room full of hoyas who will work in policy and Public Service in one way or another. I want to ask a career advice christian, if you could pass every one of the servants to do one thing differently, we talked about the states. Mistakes. Differently then you and i did them in order to make things better and in order to bring trust back. What is the one thing you would urge them to do . Ron im going to two things. I love the name geopolitics, i dont think politics is a dirty word i think its a good thing. We consider politics as a bad thing and derisive word but i think its a good thing. Believing in a Democratic Exchange and elections are way to achieve change is a powerful thing. There is a book out about the Bided Administration but overall, it is interesting in a good read. They said bided as the last politician and he was determined to use politics to make change and embraced his role and a way that obama and tromp did not as presenting themselves as outsiders. Biden is a creature of the political system and had experience in the senate believed bringing forth laws and tried to persuade them. I think you should always hold your head up if youre doing politics. It is what makes change possible in a democratic society. Never feel apologetic or headdown about the fact that you like politics or are involved in politics. Be more inclusive. One party my party had his side in the 90s, there was a lot of grassroots activists who i thought had lots of thought on the party and we try to keep them out. One thing i tried to do is remember in the Biden Campaign chief of staff was to bring in the voices of grassroots activists and listen to people who had not been listened to before. I know it seems odd to say this is someone who is stanley 62 years old. The people had good and new ideas they made me listen to and made me feel included. Our generation started the but this generation does a good job of being more inclusive as they build teams, to understand that some people who have not been heard before have wisdom and ideas that need to be included in at the table and help reduce the change we all want to see. Mo our slogan at the sct is policy is a good thing and politics can be good. Thank you from living that and believing in the end. Thank you for coming back to the hilltop. Ron thank you for having me everybody. 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