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Xt, a discussion on diplomacy and the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight 17. And the 45th anniversary of the moon landing. After that, the weekly addresses. For 35 years, cspan brings Public Affairs events from washington directly to you, putting you in the room at congressional hearings, white house events, briefings, and conferences. Gaveltogavel coverage of the u. S. House as a Public Service of private industry. Brought to you as a Public Service by your local cable or satellite provider. Watch us in hd. Follow us on twitter. Diplomacy andn on the role the u. S. May have in response to the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight 17. From todays washington journal, this is 40 minutes. Rd. Host our guest joining us is hannah thoburn. Discussiontinue our about the incident in ukraine. What did you make of the white house response yesterday . What they were saying about russia. Measured was very compared to the things that Samantha Power said. I thought he saw a very measured response by president obama. It was wise of him to be slow and pointing fingers. Haventelligence reports we coming out of the Defense Department do really make it clear that we know where this missile came from and we are reasonably sure who shot it. The next best question is try to figure out where and how these separatists. Their hands on this kind of equipment. Host what does it mean for the parties involved . Guest it will be interesting to see a lot of it will have to do with russias response to this. You have seen them say, look, this happened over ukrainian territory. Its their fault. If ukraine had not pushed back , thist these separatists would not have happened. You see russia blaming ukraine for the situation. Whether they are going to pull back on what most people believe our russian supported separatist groups is another question. That hedimir putin feel is in the corner and will lash out again . Bethis situation, we will reasonably action area. Reasonably reactionary. Its difficult. The best we can do is to work diplomateormal t channels. Punishment,eans of what do you think of it . Guest its a heavy question. What do you think of the sanctions at large . , theanctions in general day before the plane was shot down, the United States enacted saying enough is enough. This is unacceptable. Russia havein and. Repared themselves big theyt been have been slow and piecemeal. Its going to cause pain. Whether its enough pain to actually change Vladimir Putins calculations about his support of these separatists in Eastern Ukraine is very much in question. Does anything suggest Vladimir Putin will pull back from the current actions he is taking . Guest thats a question that is up to him. We would like to think so. We would like to see him respond to the punishments. He has a general goal in mind. To return russia to the kind of International Position that he thinks it should hold. To return russia to being a great power. To a place where russia is respected and perhaps even feared. If he thinks what he is doing leads profitable and helps him on the path to achieving that goal, he will continue. If it becomes clear that he needs to take another path, he is a malleable guy. He is happy and willing to read find another way. Host our guest joining us until 8 30. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. You can tweet questions. You can email them as well. How much support we get from our European Partners on this . Guest you have seen the europeans have really been reticent to jump in with the u. S. On harsher sanctions. That is because the europeans have a greater amount of trade with russia. This is a globalized world we live in. Many of the European Countries get almost 100 of their natural gas from russia. Is interesting thing now that their inactivity is now affecting them. 189 dutch citizens killed in this tragedy. What you are starting to see in these countries is a public backlash. We will see how that plays out. It could be a bit of a game changer for european action. Host the New York Times highlighting that its a tugofwar for the netherlands. While the disaster has touched so many comets mindful that sia must trad guest france is one of the few countries that is very much tied to russia for its energy needs. Its exactly that problem. Europeans have felt pulled between necessity to do something to stop the bloodshed in Eastern Ukraine while at the same thing d time, doing somethg economicwould have impact. Politicians are understandably to not punish their citizenry. Prayer our fro guest. Barbara from bridgeport, connecticut. Democrats line. Guest. S for our caller i listened to one of the callers earlier. I would like to know why every time there is a problem, the republicans feel we have to get involved. This is a situation where the europeans need to get involved first. Not us. Our president has done a good job. He has a cool about himself. He does not rush to jump into every single situation. I am sick and tired of john mccain. One man said it correctly. And he got shot down and he has been whining about that ever since. My grandfather was in world war my father was in world war ii. That was the greatest generation. Whiningt hear those men and crying. What do you think and how much involvement you think we need to get into this . This was not on our territory. We have nothing to do with this. Why do we have to lead first all the time . We dont. It does not mean that because you flex your muscles that youre a big man. Everybody is so enthralled with gputin. There was an american on board the airline. Does that change anything in your mind . Caller there was one american on third there were a lot of people on that plane. Just because there was one american, we are going to put a bunch of other americans fighting. Your thanks foryou question. It gets at a larger debate we have had within our American Society for a while now. What we want the position of america in the world to be . When you talk to people in Foreign Policy or who work in the government, there is a certain frustration that the europeans are too slow to move or they dont have the kind of resources they need to actually move. You see people say, look, the europeans want to it. Maybe we need to step up and do something about it. Guest that is off the table. Were not talking about getting involved a militarily in Eastern Ukraine. As far as what the United States what you sawthink yesterday is a very positive step in the right direction. It is standing there and saying we to make sure that this is investigated in an international manner. This was a plane that originated in the netherlands and was from 100 89 dutch citizens on board. It is a malaysian plane and crashed in ukrainian airspace. By russiann down funded rebels. It needs to be dealt with in an international way. Investigators are some of the best of the world. If their expertise is called on then we should provided. I dont think anybody is talking about getting involved in a war in Eastern Ukraine or fighting with russia. That is off the table. There is a concern that the United States does need to take a leadership role. Europe seems to be fractured. This is ricky from North Carolina on the republican line. Good morning. We are not friends with russia. We need to protect the United States. Have. t host we are not friends with russia. Rough we have had a relationship with russia over the past couple of years. I think it is going to be difficult from now on. Particularly when Vladimir Putin is making the kinds of moves to weve seen him make lately. Crimea istion of something we have not seen in europe since world war ii. It is a big deal. Onis right for us to be cautious footing when it comes to our relationship with russia. Host a viewer asks on twitter. That is a very interesting question. I think you can read a book about that question. It is a strange sort of situation where russia and china have been very friendly with each other. Both of their interests are aligning. The two of them realize they have some certain things in common. I think one of the things they have in common is making sure that they make themselves felt and heard in the international sphere. One of the things you have seen theimir putin talk about is age is over. This age of the United States being the superpower is over. We are moving to an age of multipole a rarity. He wants to ensure that russia is included. They do have several things in common. I think what is forgotten is they have never been friends, even during the soviet era. There were not friendly to each other. They went through a big split. They did not talk with each other. They almost fought a border war in the 1960s. This is based on a shared current values, but not shared overall values. Seen China Support russia in some of these u. N. Decisions, it is based largely on that. Mike is in georgia. Hello. Forer i think it is time the United States to stand up and put their big boy pants on. Punk. Ir putin is a things are not going to change. He has pushed and shoved. If this was going to get better it would have gotten better by now. Why isn the ground, everybody so afraid of that . Then he will back down. That is what he is afraid of. As long as he can get away with it he is going to do it. I think it is time for the United States to step up. Street journal says this. Guest thank you for the question. Think i come of that question from a position of someone who spent a lot of time studying running putin and through his speeches and seen what he is all about. Shovel push and he will and see what he can take. You have to point, push back. The question is how you push back. We have set out loud that boots on the ground is not an option for us. Whether or not you think that i think that is a question people have to decide for themselves. Utin, they dody p respect our and someone who keeps their word and does what they said they will. Behink the world could better in doing what they say they are going to do. He is someone who respects strength and power. People who do it they say theyre going to do. I think it has been difficult for americans and europeans where we want to talk about. Talk it out. Ongoingit is an problem for us. We are coming around to it and working through it. What kind of move do we make . That has not yet been decided. This is her but on the democrats line. Caller you said you were convinced that 97 convinced it was the separatists. That reminds me of the American Media when we heard that there that iraq convinced had weapons of mass destruction and we know how that went out. Lets talk about the facts for a moment. Theukrainian government has sophisticated Missile Systems to bring that plane down. So does russia. And i wouldrecord, ask you to submit any evidence, that the separatists had this missile system. I know there are allegations that russia sent one in and now they are sneaking it back. I dont think you have any evidence. Know the separatists shot down three planes in the last year. Planeswith a low flying shot down with shoulder fired stinger missiles. Takese at 33,000 feet that sophisticated system. I would suggest that you and the rest of the American People listening take a deep breath and wait until we get International Neutral experts in their to do a thorough investigation before we arrive at any conclusions on who was responsible. Thank you for your remarks. I do think youre very right to say that we should step back and make sure that we have all the details. Onm basing my Comment Research that i have done. I am a fluent russian speaker rowing through russian language social media sites. On that website the separatist leaders have sent out missives. Some of the missives that were up on this website early on thursday morning were very indicative of the fact that they shot it down. They were boasting on this. Ebsite on having shot down the details that they give in this missive are nearly identical to the details about this line that was crashed. Ityou look at those details, is nearly identical to exactly where this Airline Flight fell. There are things that were published in the Russian Media very publicly. They said the separatist rebels had gotten their hands on advanced surfacetoair Missile Systems. This was bandied about in the Russian Media. The separatist themselves were bragging about on social media sites. This is largely what i base my conclusion off of. We do have evidence. Whether or not you want to believe the phone calls that the special services have released between the rebels saying they , ie shot something down think the evidence is out there and the things that we have seen the separatist say indicate they did have that capability and that they were perfectly happy to use it. The evidence to me points very much toward them having committed this crime. Host joyce is on the republican line in ohio. About thewant to know weapons we are sending to the ukraine. We are sending to ukraine. How is that going to help with our relations with russia . If that is not asking for a war i dont know what else is. I will wait for you to tell it what you know about that. Thank you. Guest we are not sending weapons. Nonlethale sending is aid. We are sending bulletproof vest. We are sending night vision goggles. We are sending meals readytoeat. Tanks ort sent over fighter aircraft. We are very conscious of the couldhat weapons instigate a much worse situation with russia. That is something we want to avoid. We do have obligations to ukraine under a pact that we signed with them in 1994. This is a document signed by the netted states and europe that recognize thell sovereignty of ukraine and if ukraine is attacked the United States and europe will come to its defense. That is not a legal treaty. It is a memorandum and an agreement. There is a feeling that the event states needs to live up to that. That is why we have been sending the nonlethal aid. We are waiting to see what comes out of the investigation. What about the credibility of that investigation . Guest that is a difficult question. You see reporters on the scene. They are right there up against the crash material. They are right up against the fuselage of the plane. That is not something you see with other crash investigations. We dont have teams of and International Investigators going in and coming through what is a toxic wreckage. There ares crash, chemicals and jet fuel and things that could be poisonous to humans. That is line out there. There are bodies in the sun in the middle of the summer for two days. We are not seen International Investigative teams being able to come in with refrigeration units and body bags to be able to take these people back to a city with a can be read in with their relatives. Questionery serious about the integrity of the investigation. We are not sure who has the black boxes. This makes it unclear as to whether or not we will ever get a definitive answer as to what happened. Host ken russian influence the investigation . A very good question. Russia has been supportive of the rebels. Will gets of said they the black boxes and send them back to moscow. If the rebels themselves have the black boxes it is in their m. Terest to tamper with the the lack of having people on the scene is going to be detrimental at this point. I dont think it is too late to save. We do get investigators there very quickly. A i think russia should bring its influence to bear with the separatists and say back off. Let people have access to this area. They went to the site yesterday and they were only allowed around for about an hour and 15 minutes. That is all they have been allowed. There were guns being fired off an ear. It is still a war zone. You can hear mortars going off in the distance. This is a very tenuous situation. Time is of the essence here. Is al on the independent line in oklahoma. Caller i dont necessarily agree with the characteristics of Vladimir Putin as someone who has lashed out to provide weapons so they could shoot down civilians. Wasnt it couldnt who instigated glasnost with gorbachev . At the time of glasnost he was living in east germany. He was a kgb spy. Heated not have much to do with the ideas of last not an perestroika. Whether or not they supplied that isto these rebels, still an open question. We dont know what has been provi