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Especially political issues. The risk of having people come after them on facebook, twitter or in their job as we have seen in other places where people see face economic costs where people have the wrong opinion or send the wrong world. Host whats an example of one of those wrong words . I think theres a bunch of them. We talk about categories of wrong words. It is a whole lexicon of outrage and silencing. Like micro aggressions so anything that might offend you for anything is a micro aggression and its a way of saying im offended by something im gonna try to shut it down. Its also privilege we dont like what you are were going to say privilege because we put an heard enough of your side. Applies white men as myself. We sort of think that there are plenty of true examples in life, like you should not try to offend people. You should not be room for no reason. Or a white male you should recognize that we have enjoyed very privileged place for many generations but those things are many generations but those things are not enough to justify shutting down or delegitimizing someones points are thought which is sometimes how this game works. This can get uncomfortable, cant it . Yes. Thats something we have wrestled with. Navigating all of this ourselves and thinking whos going to throw the flag on us and where. What we want to encourage is that sometimes people make mistakes and you dont have to get up in arms about it because that prevents the backandforth. Every time you talk to someone who disagree with you youre not going to communicate exactly the same way about exactly the same thing. We have to have some ability to deal with that. We had one example where sort of in the lgbt spectrum of issues on the t part, transgender, we chronicle an end of discussion how various people have transgressed by using the wrong word or adding a next or syllable to the word and that being viewed as transpose back and shut it down. We show how how this applies to a columnist to get raked over the coals to carry katie couric and other left leading journalists. Savage was a liberal gayrights got letter bomb because. And then all the way through to rupaul, perhaps the most famous transit gender crossdressing person in america was castigated because on her show she had a segment called you gottsch email. That was transferred back. Its like like nobody is immune to this insanity. Was being offended . Thats one thing we talk about in the discussion that these groups can be really small and make a lot of noise. One of the things that society at large needs to do is respond occasionally with a little more hey, chill out. Not that many people are actually offended by this. Too often we hear the squeaky wheel and we think its a giant giant story because it sounds bigger than it is. Sometimes we need to say i understand your problem. One of the parts of discussion is that its primarily the political left that is and we contribute to that problem where there is a tendency to substitute outrage for actual argument. To try to shut it down by the debate. Within gets toxic for a for a country that should thrive on free expression. Many in our side would say we should have this arms race of outrage that chilly way to teach these guys a lesson. We just think that sounds awful. An issue of outrage we have heard in this 2016 campaign has been donald trump not responding fast enough to david duke and white supremacy. Would that be an example that one would find in the discussion . I think, yeah. We talk about a whole chapter on race. With donald trump its funny, he appeals to a lot of people who are opposed to Political Correctness and he is clearly not politically correct. Thats one of the things that can be refreshing about him. There is a distinction between Political Correctness and abject rudeness for the sake of rudeness. When it comes to the kkk david duke thing, one thing that is frustrating and we chronicle it and the left sometimes tries to attribute as racist or anything that, theres a secret whistle in there and thats appealing to racist. I think when you asked a question on National Television about whether or not you are rejecting the ku klux klan and well no white supremacist, thats not a dog whistle, theres one correct answer to that. Based on just a basic human decency and that is to reject them out of hand immediately and clearly. The fact that he didnt in that interview raised eyebrows for a lot of people. What we have argued is theres overt racism. So what we want to do is say that that status should be reserved for really awful and important things. Not redistributed to every little thing. So i think as he was mentioning his a little bit of the problem in this case. He is sometimes offthecuff cough and politically incorrect. He he also uses the tactics of the left to say year this or year that, hes an interesting dichotomy on the subject. What is your relationship, how did you get together to write this book. We are extremely close friends. We were hooked up way back in the day used to go by a wellknown tv mainstay. He suggested, she was working here already at that point. He said that we should hang out we did. Weve had her cell having conversations about the topic of this can you believe whats happening, we feel like and then finally we set someone should write about it and perhaps it should be estimated. So just run. Yes. There is a chapter in here and i dont know who wrote it in a light will ever run it talk about it. Its called the vaginae demagogue. But we talk about in that particular chapter of the discussion is the feminist movement and how so much is built on saying that if you disagree with any part of their political agenda then you are not a real one. Thirtytwo clear often explicit disqualification. I happen to be one that doesnt happen to agree with modern feminist on every issue. Yet they will say over and over again, stop talking. Thats. Thats enough out of you or you are just a tool for other people. That robs women of their individuality. It robs them of their equality to say that unless you are in this place over here you cannot speak on political issues. My grandmother, my mother before me, very interested in equality of the sexes and thats why im here today and on tv and trying to have a family and do all these things at one time. I did not get liberated so i have to believe everything the left tells me to. One of the Campaign Issues especially in the democratic side is that women make 72 cents on every dollar that men make. Is that something you address in the discussion . We do. At that very chapter. Its part of the war on women that the left shows an it mostly is driven by abortion, they dont want to talk about the fact that women are basically evenly split on abortion and their overwhelmingly opposed to it. They want to hide that issue because its not convenient to them so they dress up other questions and hurl other accusations, the actual and we can talk about the studies, they been debunked multiple times over. There white house economist would have been part of that debunking in the white house themselves pays women less by their own clumsy standard. So to try to say a hard tension of america we have your back and they dont like you, they dont represent you on they hope the details get glossed over. I would argue theres plenty of discussions to be had about why there is a gap. Lets talk about the fact behind that not just say that white house economists over obama had said will thats not really the whole story. Its not just discrimination. If you want to solve the problems and you look deeper than that. To political issues like that work . Thats what they have done. One one of the things that we address in the discussion is how we can fight back on the war against woman and we profile senator corey from colorado and he made his entire campaign about it is called he was lying about abortion and distorting. In Corey Gardner figured out early on the best way to respond to that in a cheerful, truth based way. So its not all complaining about how the sky is falling, its falling, its not all what right wing either. We believe that in order for this issue, the Free Exchange of ideas, and cutting down on demagoguery, or cutting cutting some of it out of our diet, it has to come the people of goodwill on both ends of the spectrum. We have to link arms and say lets come together as americans, calm down a little bit and not assume the very worst about each other on every issue so we can actually have a discussion rather than and it before it began. You can see you on fox news and cnn, you can buy your book youre watching book tv. This weekend on afterwards, sue, the mother of dylan cleavable discussions the junction between violence and mental illness. She is in conversation with mary gilberti, on the National Alliance of mental illness. In 1999 your son dylan and eric harris took the lives of 12 students and one teacher in their high school and then their own. 24 others were wounded. A devastated those the devastated those families and affected really the whole nation. I think one of the questions people have is, why did you decide to write this book now . Seventeen years later . Well, probably because it took me that many years