jared kearney became a security of the james monroe museum and library in november of 2011. previous tips curator of the woodrow wilson presidential library and museum in stanton, virginia. and prior to that curator of the historical society and york. director of the museum farm and folklife center on long island and worked at the greensboro historical museum in north carolina. jared receive his ma in studies and ba in history from the university of north carolina at greensboro. he's also a blacksmith, woodworker, rates bonsai tree is a photographer and active in numerous films but it's wonderful to have him with us today. and again, probably time for q&a at the end of our presentation. please feel free to leave this at the bottom of your screen. without further ado i'm going to turn the zoom over too jarod. >> right. well hello. thank you so much for that great intro. and thank you to a highlands and the james monroe museum for having me pam excited to be here and show some really cool stuff from elizabeth monroe's life. now before i begin, i before i jump into mystical artifacts i have here. i'm going to ask you a question, if you are inn your house in tie suddenly slows everything stood still.s hundreds of years for now folks were looking at the artifacts the items that were in your house. but with this item say about you? what story would they tell? my guess is they'll probably is an awful lot, right? artifacts are not just separate from us there part of our story. there part of who we are and who we were and who we will be. i know that sounds a little deep. in a way that is with these arctic artifacts do they tell a story. i'm going to start something pretty cool from going to dive right in. we pull this up i'm going to show you the spanglish artifacts to the camera help will be able to have a good view of these. okay, what is this that i am holding here? this is elizabeth e monroe's belong to her it's actually cast with a guild of gold over on top. and you see i had these fancy carvings and what is it? what exactly is going on here? well i will show you. there's all kinds of stuff that ares actually in edit something that she would haveno used. people ask about practicality of things, what would elizabeth monroe practically would have carried around with her? this is exactly one of them here. it's sort of like comparable would be sort of like a pocket watch. excuse me a pocket knife, like a swiss army knife. it has all that stuff on there. one of i talking about? i will show you. first of all this is something that would have been in there. [laughter] look at this old sucker. look atw this. i don't at the camera showing at that well. it's actually a little knife in his got a little screw on the end they put a little thread that would actually screw in you could use it for -- shoot most likely would be as for eating or for sharpening graphite. i'll get a little more into that in a secondan period that's kina cool too. and then of course this companion piece you have a fork. you see that. [laughter] ctyou have an actual fork with o times. that was typical of the time. in threads on the back on the end of it as well. these things, actually there is little extender that is in here pretty compose it out and believe it or not there's a little extender through those on the top. if you wanted to theoretically you could have a meal with this thing. the question i get is what they've actually done that? probably not but elizabeth monroe would've had capability of doing it if t she so charged. one thing i want to show his little spoon, that's right very good. and then i went to shade this. if i can get it. what on earth is that? what on earth is it? well, believe it or not this is actually believe it or not an ear stupid you heard that right isn't dear stu that cleaned out the year. it sounds ridiculous this is actually something they would have used. and yes people dead in fact injured themselves using this thing. it's madee out of metal. it's dangerous i looked it up people did actually injure themselves. nonetheless there cin you go anr scooper cleaning out the ear. something else is kind of interesting that is in here. you have a measuring stick here what was interesting about this is this was made by both french and english firms. it is really hard to tell them apart they both have very, very similar looks to them. they both have these cast carvings and this does not have any markings on it. so it's like a mystery where the french or english, i was looking at this looking close up and low and behold it actually is the metric system. that tells us this was french it was made in france were not using the metric system back in those days. to this day. so there you go. let me show you this little piece here. i'm going to pull this out here. what on earth is this? this believe it or not was a notepad for elizabeth monroe. what am i talking about? is talk about graphic with pencil they actually did do that. the utensils were not quite the same as it was but it wasn't graphite. graphite will write on this. not bone it's ivory. it's a little piece of ivory slab she could write on here in her daily life. agosta showed shet had that woud write herself notes. we have bigger slabs of ivory they would've wrote themselves in notes back then. they actually did doet that. i something we still do today but it's a little different we type it in to ipods, androids or whatever and send yourselves reminders for this is the ipad or android back then i was at some level. one of the graphite off? and let's you specifically wipe off the graphite it stays on the part how do i know this? if you do experiment at your house if you want too. if you take a tag like a garden tag for garden plants, right one with pen and write another with graphite. stick them outside. the graphite, the pencil will last way longer than the pen. that is the antique tip for you if you ever buy one of these look carefully you might be able to see some of that notes actually still wrote on. so there you go, elizabeth monroe this is something she would have carried with her. it shows practicality.ta as a lot of practical things here also wish shows a certain statue and certain style summit at one in her position back then as wife of the ambassador would have had. i get a little bit more into that and just a little bit. but also i have here? people ask as far as things we have with elizabeth monroe going to show you this. what is going on here? this looks like in modern terms modern slipper or something you might wear if you are lounging around at night. this is actually a slipper ind the ballet style. this is a regency. you can see someone from a jane austin novel whoring something rolike this for this along too elizabeth monroe. something she would have worn around the turn-of-the-century. what's interesting about that is you look at this, this shoe belongs to elizabeth monroe's mother. this would have been a couple decades later. you can see how radically the styles have changed and how radically they were. why does thiss matter? that matters in a sense elizabeth monroe going over to with her husband over too europe. back in those days especially the first time inno the mid- 1790s the first time europe -- they do not know what to make of us. they were like who are these upstarts and everything. france was a little more we were more bothered with france. and so we went over there. they might have been expecting the americans to show up dbarefoot. i did not note to make of this new american country. so in a sense it was important to where it styles that were reflective of the society of which were going in. they were ambassadors to france. was the latest fashion especially in the position of being ambassador's wife. it's not just for the hoity-toity part of it. it is important inng establishig the art serious. we are a country we are formed and we are here to stay. we are not going a to collapse like a lot of people thought we wouldth. little details like that actually matter. in it matter to elizabeth monroe. at the same time they weren't overly done. in fact while my transition to this dress back here. this is a downed its regency period, it is very jane austin. this down belong to elizabeth monroe. she wore this overseas. this would have been in her second diplomatic mission at the turn of the 1800s. with the 19th century. and so you can see it's very slick, it's very straightforward. it is a lot different than the gowns coming out just a couple decades w beforehand. they're much more lavish. had the bonuses much whiter, bigger, everything like this but this is more sleek more streamlined. at least for back then if you can imagine it would've been more modern. nowadays it looked old fashion. back then this would've been modern, it would've been new, would've been the style to wear. it's actually made out of believe it or not it's made out of velvet. is it nerd tangent here is velvet you and how they make velvet? they had two pieces of material that are intertwined. back then done by hand they would cut the material in half. you know what i am talking about? >> yeah little bit. >> a little picture notes reverse i apologize. but you can see the machine would cut and create this. and this right here of the threads sticking out that is what makes the velvet' texture. but every single velvet you're seen the inside of a cuter to piece of material. that is cool. anyway elizabeth would have worn this. we don't have it but she would have borne especially in formal occasions is likely she would have had a gold sort of drapery scarf that would've gone around and folded around her. we do not have that it would've added a little extra something. and again it's very much in mustyle of the time. it is not overly done. it's very much in theme with the monroe's and their aesthetic. they wanted to have enough fancy enough that they belonged but not enough to overdo it and enough to state this is our own sort of style. that is reflective of what was happening in america at the time. we were forming our country. we were forming our identity. and so the material culture reflects that. we were borrowing some things from europe. certain styles and everything. we also had her own thing going. it was not overly done. you can see that in a lot of mtheir clothing. a lot of the materials they purchase it was good but it was not crazy over the top. it's kind of cool. all right, would also i got here? okay this is a cameo that belongs to elizabeth monroe. you see that? something that is really cool about this is these are all hand made they are still handmade to this day. what exactly is happening here? what is going on? why is it white here in a paper color here? it's action made out of shell. they do this to this day is you pick a seashell and you cut out the oval for the cameo. and then the craftsmen. imagine the craftsmanship. the craftsman slowly starts carving away. slowly start carving away so that there is a white and then they get down to that actual pink the center part of that shell. if you look at a show the inside of the shell the conch shell is pinkish kind of reddish on the inside right outside there is the white. that's what it's doing. it's carving up just enough to get to the inner part of the shell. : : ter part as the relief, which is an astounding piece of hand craftsmanship. and this was all done by hand everything. i'm showing you was done by hand. think about that like the dress, you know, the the sarah these are all done by hand. it's really pretty amazing. so so what it's like well, what's the big deal with this? well, elizabeth would want to again make sure as part of who she were part of how she was part of how she was presenting herself to be in with the latest fashions. not overdone, who was a big fan of cameos. napoleon and his wife, josephine why were they a big fan? whenin napoleon was invading gog into those old-school places, they would find ancient roman e cameos that were done in the exact same way. he would send it back to josephine and cameos became popular and they became sort of a fashion again. in part because if napoleon was invading other countries, that is exactly what was happening. napoleon hadll these all done u. it was a really beautiful piece that wee have here today. it was kind of cool. you don't really see a lot of these anymore. you will still see one. you sort of span that time. some artifacts span a decade. certain types of dresses, certain types of shoes, things like that spanned many many time periods. you would maybe see someone have this in the 1960s or something like that or even today versus 200 years ago. then there are artifacts that you don't see anymore. they exist only because we still have them and take care of them. i will show you one such artifact. all right. what is this? hold thisn up. what is going on here. what is this? this, this is a vinaigrette, okay. what on earth is a vinaigrette? something you don't see anymore. it was actually to help with smells.. to put it plainly. sort of the deodorant back in that time. what they would do is, actually, i have them here, look at that, a little tiny sponge. i am not making this out. a little tiny sponge that would go inside the vinaigrette. if you look at this on the inside, on the inside is gold. you can imagine the vinegar smell. it is a little bit strange. you would actually help to mask smells. that is what that is. what is kind of cool is, this actually was made by john shaw, andyo english silversmith. actually a detail of the inside of the vinaigrette. it's like a little flour, flowerpot, symbolizes something fresh. athat is exactly what was going on with this. this is one that is gone with the wind. f we don't make these anymore. at least not for the purpose. it is kind of cool. you want to talk about bureaucracy, i will show another thing. some were actually marked in this tiny little vinaigrette because of actual laws back in the day. i will piggyback off of data little bit. i will show you okay. never mind. we have a perfume bottle in question. the perfume bottle is really, really tiny and they actually have acres arcs on the inside of the perfume bottle. these tiny little watchmaker marks and you cannot even see them with di. is it a new thing? no. it is the one constant that is phone fed. the one constant in the universe is iraq or c. they filter that all the way back then. i will just show you this real quick. i will pull this out. this is a fan favorite here. little baby shoes that belonged to elizabeth. elizabeth munroe. she had three children, eliza borden 1786. or i was 1802 and james spencer was 1709 and orton -- unfortunately passed very young. there you go. they absolutely did. especially made out of leather, believe it or not. little tiny baby she was what i belong to elizabeth and rose daughter. that is something that has not changed over the years. what i want to show you next is, i want to show you this incredible piece of jewelry here you can see the prongs that go in there. this belonged to elizabeth munroe. this would have been during the public life as a wife of the diplomat. the wife of the future president something she would want to have in order to establish that you are serious and you have the ability to be in the room with other countries. specifically, look at this. each one of these are coral, little pieces of coral beads on gold. so you can imagine the craftsmanship of actually shaping each one of these piecee they had to be put individually onto the t era. they kind of made a little bit of a comeback. they went away for a little while, you see little kids wear them sometimes and all of that. she would have bought this while she was over in france. she would've worn this at special locations, formal events, things like that. it was sort of a necessity to be able to mix-and-match at least with the other diplomatic corps. okay. now, i will get it to this here. i want to show you this piece. very careful. okay. what is this? look at that. this is elizabeth munro aquamarine necklace. i do not know what is going on with that. but we are back. >> you are back. [laughter] where i sort of left off, let me see here. this is elizabeth munro's necklace. this is aquamarine. you see this big cross and everything that is going on here. this was fashionable at the time. let me show you something. when i was doing research on an exhibit for this sort of thing, i came across this picture of ceramic sellers in france around the same time elizabeth munroe would have worn this necklace. look at the necklace that she is wearing right there. that necklace she is wearing, stones, cross, lo and behold, the same exact necklace. the same exact style. elizabeth munroe knew her stuff. this is aquamarine, like i said, it is surrounded by what looks like copper. the perp, amazing craftsmanship. so what. she has some fancy jewelry and thingsat like that. okay. what's a point, what is the big deal. well, let me tell you a story. i'm going to tell you a story. imagine you are elizabeth munroe. just imagine for a second you are elizabeth rowe and you accompany your husband over to france in the mid- 1790s. you accompany him over there. now, you are born into modern wealth. your father was a wealthy merchantyo. you are not completely unused to, you know, paris and everything, but it would have been something to see. it would have been overwhelming. you go over there in the climate of the time, unmatched in this, the climate of the time, the waning part of the committee of public safety. you are in the 1790s in france and there was executions going on here there was craziness going on here there is an oracle of paranoia that was happening in paris and france at the time. people were getting executed. people were getting killed in paris and france. not just people, the people of your class, sort of the upper class. wealthy in folks. they were getting executed. you were there with your husband. at that point france sort of appreciated the u.s. they had a good relationship at that time. but, still, not a very good vibe in france. so you are showing up as this young woman in france at the time, okay. now, your husband's friend, the marquee day lafayette, okay, as you know, he was, you know, famously healthy in the u.s. war, the revolutionary war, he was a friend, a really good friend of your husband. now, he is imprisoned up inn austin. he is up there in prison. his wife, his young wife was imprisoned and her name is adrian, she was interested in the same city that you just arrived in the okay. these are friends of the family. now, the wife's uncle, this is the uncle of adrian, meets with monroe to do something to free her from the president paris. the chances of her being executed were really, really good. they were, really high. this was a serious thing. the problem is, munro is in a really tough mind at the time. he is in a tough life because as an investor, he cannot really make these crazy waves. you cannot like go over there and start making these giant waves and say you have to release this. you have to walk behind the line. what do you do? you want to help out the wife of your front, you want to help her out. but what can you do? well, this is where elizabeth comes in. okay. this young woman in france with all of this new stuff, all of these new sights and sounds, probably a little scared, a little intimidated, at the time, there were not a lot of fancy carriages or things like that. everything was in chaos. so, they get a carriage and elizabeth has it dos eat up and makes it look really important like a diplomatic carriage. so, she gets in the carriage and, you might have guessed it, jewelry just like this, 18 era, just like this. okay. she would have gussied up with a cameo, justng like this. have this as part of the package there just like that. okay. she gets gussied up. so she looks like the wife of an ambassador. okay. now, they get down to the front gate and she gets out of the carriage. as you can imagine, a crowd gathers around. at this point she was sort of known, they called her the beautiful american. she was actually known a little bit. wait a minute, is that the diplomats wife. is that elizabeth munro getting out of the carriage? what is she doing here at the prison. teshe gets out in this crowd starts to gather up. she strolls up to the gate and she demands to see adrian. as you can imagine, the captain of the prison guard is standing at the gate and here's she is coming all gussied up, looking important, if you don't do what i say, you are going to get in trouble. that was the whole point of the show. he n. because he really had no choice. you can imagine, poor adrian because she has inside and she is in the president she does not know what is going on. they come to her door and they say we need you. we are going to get you out of the door. in her mind, she may be getting executed. what did she see, lo and behold, she sees elizabeth munroe standing there.pl what was interesting about that was that that moment was not lost on people. okay. youar can imagine the people standing around in all of this dark and this paranoia and doom and gloom and no hope for the future, there is this the pedelight of sort of bravery tht happens in the middle of that. people start talking about it. the word sort of gets around. could not doing anything officially but goes behind the scenes. the committee of public safety, what can we do here? you can imagine, also, adrian's mother and her grandmother were both executed, so, the short story is this. adrian was actually released. she was actually let go, really because of these artifacts helped her create that presence, create that story to the people around her that she was somebody that need to be listened to. you will let adrian go. adrian ended up going free and adrian being the brilliant person that she was went to austria and negotiated with the emperor to let her stay in the prison with her for five years. wondering about who elizabeth munro was and what do artifacts tell her about that. that to me is the part of it. you have all of these things, and away, these things helped save a woman's life, as bizarre as that sounds, and sort of a roundabout way. these artifacts are here, we have them. i know hyland has a bunch, too. that is why it is important to cherish these artifacts and let them tell their story and to save them for the future because you and i don't, who will? anyway, i think that i will maybe stop it there and see if we have any questions? >> awesome, thank you so much. that was spectacular. thank you so much for speaking so passionately about the importance of material culture. telling us the important political and diplomatic and international history. that is beautiful. thank you. we do have some questions from our audience. i will go in the order that they were entered into our q&a. to begin with, there is a question about, do any objects reflect elizabeth new york heritage? >> yesad.ye the short answer is yes. we actually have a wedding dress, it could have been her wedding dress that was used than most likely belonged to her mother. you know what, i'm going to show you. i don't care. >> take us around. >> i love thehe collection spac. >> i can see that, yes. >> this actually belongs to elizabeth enroll, but the material is older and likely belonged to her mother. imported into new york maybe by her father who was a merchant. okay. >> that is absolutely beautiful. kind of in line with thinking about materials. there was a question of what other material was in that spectacular tro that you showed us. it is actually, mostly gold. these tins here i think are copper, if i am not mistaken. in fact, it might be a little bit stronger. it isf definitely soft. if it has another metal in it, it is probably less. mostly just golden coral. it is just astounding. the craftsmanship on it. it is amazing. >> on that line of craftsmanship and the notion of the makers of some of these items, there was a question about, since we are looking at her object, her property, can you tell us about her relationship to slavery in this era where slaves were considered rob pretty -- property. >> the short answer is, the monroe's, they owned some 250 slaves. as far as management of their farm, you know, everything was all based on slavery, you know, monroe bought and sold and elizabeth munroe was in that family. now, as far as her personal relationships, i don't know as much. we actuallyt have in the museum, i don't have it here with me, but we do have several items that were crafted by slaves. you know, that is the truth of it. so, we have -- i wonder if i can pull it out, i think that it is sort of buried in there. we do have items that were crafted by slaves. i don't believe any of these particular ones were, but we do have those items. that was an inter- co-part. >> thank you. >> a question about elizabeth's parents. were they well-traveled? >> well, lawrence was a merchant so there would have been some traveling going on there. as far as it translating into elizabeth, i don't know how much she went in and out of the country, as far as that goes. she would have been familiar, certainly, with vibes of people coming andct going.t how well-traveled, i don't know the exact extent of it. >> yeah. >> are items on display at the james monroe museum with a description and story on each item? are these, for example on display? you keep them in storage? preservation, conservation is always an issue with textiles in particular. >> the short answer, yes. and a lot of these are actually out on exhibit. we have an exhibit up right now that has qr codes on each of the artifacts that you can scan and it will bring you to a different chat where i talk about them. they are all online as well. they are either on our facebooker some of them are on youtube. most of them are on our facebook live. the answer is yes. these are not currently out, but the cameo in the dress will go back up. come on by and see. >> yeah. yeah. lots of places tout see these c items in at least learn about them. i will be sure to personally check it out. there is, i've got two more questions at least here in our q&a.a. does the c collection -- owned y thes? monroe's? >> yes. bear with me one second. i'm going to run over and grab -- >> we will bear with you. >> all right. all right. [laughter] all right. i'm coming back, i promise. this here is a good example. this is actually one of the first white house china to come out. you can see it has the monroe crust on there. it has 20 stars around the inside where it symbolizes 20 states. the year would be 1817. it has sort of the gold rim. this was made in paris. it is a little bit tougher. you can y see that it is a litte bit stronger. something that is sort of interesting is whenever they were putting in for ceramics to decorate the white house, this would haveer been later, there were 30 firms around paris at the time that were making porcelain that could be good enough to be in the white house, so to speak. interestingly, monroe was so beloved france, all 30 of them bid. all 30 of them? come on. that is a lot. they all bid on it because i think everybody wanted to make porcelain for the friends of france. >> exactly. yeah. they are so beautiful and elegant, too. i love those. a really interesting question. the dress. the gold dress has lacing up the back. does the other dress have closures in the back or which have been sewn into that dress? that is a question i also have had with some of these dresses. >> sewn into it. i don't know about that. i don't know much about the actual putting the dress on. i feel like i've heard it somewhere, but i do not want to speak out of turn. there are classes in the back of that one so i don't think she would've been sewn into this one.yo certainly not. this one was a little bit more sleeker. but, yeah, i have heard that. i guess my answer is, i do not think so. certainly, no one this one. the other one looks like it has clasps on the back. it looks like she was put entire here it. >> yeah. there is a question about that aquamarine cross necklace. would a merchant's wife as depicted in the picture you shared which was an amazing find , have worn something so costly or what hurts have been made of less valuable materials? >> that is a great question. interestingly, the aquamarine is not that crazy expensive. it's not like diamonds or emeralds or something. it is on the lower tier, to beom frank, as far as that sort of thing goes. this would have been something that would've been a little bit more affordable. but, you know, this would have been within the grasp of someone who was not crazy wealthy. so, yeah, there could have been, the style certainly was the same, but the jambs, we don't really know. e that jambs could have been something even less than aquamarine. that isno actually a good catch. it could have been glass may be or something. not glass, crystal, actually. the difference between glass and crystal is the lead content. you can almost see the difference. so, yeah, you are right. a clerk or merchant, you know, in this situation, may not have even had aquamarine. she would have had style, which i think is the important thing. yeah. the look is what mattered. question coming to us from our facebook audience. how tall was elizabeth munro? from the dress, it looks like she may have been a short woman? >> 52, and there. you are absolutely t right. [laughter] >> no. must have made a striking couple with munro being around 6-foot. a tall gentleman and her being shorter. there was a question about, a really interesting one about this particular period of european history. in the french revolution we separate secular from the religious. wearing a cross, without a been especially dangerous for anyone, really? >> it did not seem to be. that is a good observation. i don't think that it was to the point where it was like considered like an offense, you know what i mean. you still see crosses in the pictures atti that time. and stuff. i would imagine, though, i would imagine. religion, certainly, just in general was not a great topic at that point in time.t but, it does not seem to have affected a whole lot. yeah. very interesting. i that exhausts at least the question so far in our q&a. we have like 10 minutes left with you. i had a quick question, if that is okay about, mostly, starting -- which some of the people asked for the spelling and i hope that i did it justice in the chat. ibut i think i know that i did. how do we learn or you as a curator learn about us familiar unknown are objects that are obsolete? .... .... little things that t's a great question if you get an artifact you don't really know what's going on with it what i like to do. i sort of i call it sort of the craftsman ap what i like to do i called the craftsman approach to history. i like to start with how it is made. that is where i like to start. especially if you do not know much about it or anything likeik that. it's like how is it made? just start simple. it was cast, it was not carved. which means someone molded a cast out of it. when the materials made out of? the materials, are they something time appropriate? do we know for example if this is gilded,t more than not doing that on the time. we think it was? we know it was either an anomaly or different time. w i like to approach it how it was made breaking the locate who is making it in that particular style at the time. that helps a lot. for example we have gloves here that are goatskin that gloves tit's very simple. but at the very least you know joe skin as the material wasas popular in the u.s. we have an abundance of raw material which is a horrible way of saying they have an abundance of deer. way more than europe. so does skin would have been a one way to make it here in the usa. that is a way to pinpoint it down. fortunate with the internet we have a lot more access to things now. ward searchers and you compare and do detective works and drill down what you can find. another thing i like to do, a lot of times there are makers of marks and things that are on these not visible to the naked eye. i literally take a magnifying glass and scour every inch of it and see what i can find. a few times i've actually found that. i'll give you an example you could not see anything with the naked eye there is no way. that is another way to do is scour everything you can. eventually pieces will come together. >> are there any existing g written documents about elizabeth monroe's personal items? do we know anything from letters either perhaps from her hand which i know are few and far. or anything about her through letters? >> as far as these artifacts specifically, i do not know any letters talking specifically. by the way elizabeth purchased a necklace or something like that. as far as i know there is not a whole lot that actually tracks down a specific item unfortunately. i wish there was pretty if you find when police headed our way. [laughter] for sure. >> is going to stare the any items you would love to know more about or you know she had but we do not have in hand anywhere? >> i would love to know more about the specific expression of the wedding dress i showed you before. if we could find something said oh on her wedding day she wore. we say wedding dress because it's about the same timee she would have had her wedding. it's something you kind of born to a wedding then. it's more, supposition. but i would love to have a letter to say she wore a floral pattern with this on her wedding day. that would be pretty cool. >> that would be the bow on the anticipation. i love that. there is one more question are actually couple more questions. do we know anything about the dutch heritage of her name? of her maiden name? >> dutch heritage. gosh again i don't know much about the dutch heritage site of her. that is a great question. i can find out in combat get back to that is for sure. >> i think there is a lot about elizabeth her upbringing, which is glenn's question the q&a how is she taught as a child? was it a governess? did she go to a school? do you know anything about that? >> we actually have samplers and things like that a lot of the teaching would have been especially new york being a dutch colony the education would have been a little bit better. we have actually examples of samplers that were done especially about her children they would learn how to read, write and actually in there. you are looking at sewing and basic life skills like that. so her education would have been certainly more in new york than it would've been in a lot of other places. so a little more comprehensive. xes beautiful. we have a sampler from mariah her younger daughter i think who was 11 something for the next generation. just about the last minute i have just one more question for you. you've talked a lot about these maker marks which i think are g personally fascinating, locatg them and how small they can be. do you know if she had any favorite makers? were there any consistent makers to have come across? >> that is a good question two. a lot of her items are not actually marked by who made them themselves. but a lot of them are french in origin. she had a real affinity for the french culture just like her husband did. a lot of it comes from her spending years over there at the timeme. in a sense the tendency for her would havene been for french makers for sure. a specific one i don't see a specific pattern that would come from one person or another. but definitely french. >> wonderful. i am sorry. wonderful, are there any other questions from our audience? >> rip. >> nobody? wonderful. >> wonderful questions asked so far pray. >> yes these were spectacular awesome,e, awesome audience thak you for joining us today. thank you jared for this wonderful conversation. thank you for this has been a wonderful i hope you see these comments in the chat. i learned a lot today about elizabeth and i think it is incredible way to access her and to think about women's history. and as you pointed out so eloquently their role in some of these really important political moments and how we can see that through style. >> and through the history for sure. >> in her book spies, flies, algorithms other amy tracks the history of american espionage from revolutionary war spies to today's digital world drawing on hundreds of interviews which intelligence officials she provides an inside look into the world of spies and spy craft. here's a portion of an event that professor did for the book. >> if i could say one thing to the president it is that this is a moment that requires transformational change in the intelligence community. business as usual's going to set the united states back by generations. this is a moment of technological change unlike anything we have experienced. we have never had so many pathbreaking technologies converging at the same time. ai, the internet, commercial satellites, quantum computing, biology, just to name a few. it is and adapt or fail at moment for intelligence community paid the adaptation required means harnessing open-source information and getting being only in the committee at best buy? the full program at c-span.org/history just search amy or the title of her book spies, lies, and algorithms. >> i am king i am one of the curators historical curate here columbia foundation. i work with not only our textile, quilt and needlework collection both furnishing all the exhibition sites here at the fo
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