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The only copy that i have will have my notes on them. All right. Did we elect someone who is actually making a copy . Youve got it . Okay. [inaudible] we are back on the record, deputy scott. Your next witness district attorney. How did you know to come into the courtroom right now . I heard someone yell this testimony is done. Mr. Wade saying some testifying when you assumed would be the next witness. Only makes sense. Did you listen to the arguments . I did listen to the arguments ridiculous that they lied on monday. I did listen to that argument. Okay. That was it. Just the argument. I thought they did an excellent job pointing out the courts on monday. The hearing continued in 60 days here i am. Lets talk about what you did in preparation for today. Did you meet with mr. Wade it all . Whats the motion was filed did you talk about emotion that i filed to disqualify you. Yes. I dont know if you could say talked about. I probably had some choice words i dont know that it was a conversation, as you know, mr. Williams is a gentleman. A substantive confirmation. Reading this motion. Skimmed it, more so. I probably said some choice things about the way things were told. Used to be in a date and time we had 60 minutes. We had this great rapport. It is for all of the world to see. I just want to make sure that you answer the questions. I told you what happened. Past that we had no conversation you did not have a meeting with him in the Conference Room to discuss. No. In the tool of my office this week introducing some financial documents, that financial document was given to me. Im not even sure if that was given to me and i think there was a document in the kong congress room. I dont believe that i had any conversation with him that is substantive related to this. I have had conversations with him since he filed a motion but they would not be substantive to this. He is threatening very nice sermons that have been done. Weve had conversations about did you listen to that sermon. Things of that nature. In relation to this because i think he needed to be kind. Lets start back in 2019. A way that was met in 2019 at a conference. That is correct. I find it to be extremely offensive. I stayed at thatt conference. Mr. Wade was my teacher. He taught the class. I was standing outside he was a judge. We were just having a conversation. Mr. Wade walks up the they had some conversations. She introduces us. Ask a question, answer a question. I agree. Thatss okay. I can handle it. Listen to the question. Keep the answers confined to the best you can and more ample opportunity. Highly offensive when somebody lies on you and indicate that you slept with somebody the first day that you met with them. You will have the opportunity to explain all of that. Mr. Merchant. Thank you. My question was you all met at the conference. He taught the class. I walked out of the class. We were standing outside of the class. Me and judge reed were having a conversation. We are getting way of far. I literallyr just ask the same thing. It was exactly the same thing if you want more concise answers perhaps you could lead the way. Is it true that you met mr. Wade in september of 2019 . To the point where you are supposed to be treated. I very much want to be here. I am not a hostile witness. Your interest are opposed to ms. Merchants. Contrary to democracy. Next question, please. After that, is it true. I need to explain this and i think i can explain my answers. Judge reed introduced us. He handed me his business card. We exchangeded information. If you ever need any help, give me a call. He walked to the parking lot. So, after that, you started dating shortly thereafter. Lies. That is one of your lies. I knew her so robin did not go to my college. She went to the college of howard university. I met her through some people. In college we hung out. Not much because she was involved more when i was in washington, d. C. After college i probably did not see robin again until maybe seven or eight years ago. A chance meeting here in atlanta we did not have a consistent relationship. Eight10 years ago just by happenstance i ran into her. Om you have been friends with robin for 30 some years. You been friends with her for 40 something years. We have certainly hung out and partied together in college. Coming home and partying together. She was certainly in the plans to party together. Like i said, in atlanta georgia. Talking throughout that time period. I did not see her. I did not even know where she was. I was surprised she was in atlantaow. I have known her probably since 1990. We have not maintained a consistent relationship. The last 10 years or five, have you been friends with her . I have not. I do not consider her a friend now. No good deed goes unpunished. In 2019 until she no longer was employed for you. On my next questions are just focused on that timeframe. Up until she lost your office. Yes, maam. You all were friends. During 2020 you all were friends correct . Yes. During 2021 you all were friends correct . Yes. When you needed a place to stay you asked her if you can take over her lease. That is alive. That is not the way you characterize it at all. I did not ask if i could take over her lease. Did you move into her apartmento . I moved into her condo april 21. The circumstances were that robert andt her husband robin met her husband. She wanted to get rid of her condo. Because of this case and because of my gains my life was being threatened regularly. My father urge me to leave our home. At theuc same time as luck would have it robin wanted to give up her lease because she wanted to move in with a man that eventually became her husband. My dad was begging me to leave the house. Afraid for me, afraid for grandchildren. She wanted someone to take over her lease. I dont remember when, but probably march or april of 21 moving in and taking over her lease. Did youou pay her or did you pay the leasing agent . None. I dont even know who the leasing agent was. Pay cash. There were sometimes i would give her cash. Mostly i would pay her via cash app. I would not only give her her rent but when the utilities would come in she may be like i need 70 bucks, i need 100, whatever it was. Whatever she told me it was, i never asked to see a bill. I never questioned her. I just gave it to her. Cash for cash out. The vast majority. The vast majority was cash out. There will be times. Did you have the amount that you paid her for. I cant remember what it was. Like i said, i never questioned her either late january or early february of 22. 22. Yes. January or february of 22. I paid her half the rent in february of 22 of what i remember. Even though i did not had their. Just paying her half the rent. Okay. The time that you say you have to move out of your house because you are scared. As far as i was concerned, yes. 180 he was 80 years old. He was scared to death of covid. My father was an older man he had i wanted him to move out. We had some discussions about him moving out. What he decided was the risk of covid was more dangerous than the people threatening. Typical man more worried about his daughter and grandchildren than his own safety. He does not scare too easily. So h his grants kids living t the house as well. Lt i dont know how older children are. There have been periods of time that they have been there. Whatever they want to do. Children do what children do. As long as their mother has a house, they will come to it. I just pay a mortgage and no one lives there. When you moved out, i think you said april 2021 you left your dad. They were not at the house. They certainly did not live there. My oldest daughter coming back and forth. I cannot say much for when she was there when she was not there close to me moving out. At this time no one was at my house. At some point after you moved out for the safety reasons, at least one of your children did come back. Can we get to the relationship and the financial benefit . Lets see. We were back at 2021 but you are still friends then. Where you also friends with mr. Bradley . Ive never been friends with mr. Bradley. Youve never been friends with mr. Bradley . I dont consider us to be friends. I dont dislike mr. Bradley, but i do not consider us to be friends. Is he someone you would have in your phone and you would message them. I may have text messaged him. Would you text message him and mr. Wade on the same conversation. I dont recall doing that but if it happened it would not surprise me. That would not surprise you. Okay. How frequently do you think the three off you wouldve text. I would not think very often. I dont even know what time. You are asking me to recall. I willl not speak to that becauw i really do not know the answer to that. I dont want to speculate how much that would happen. It is not out of my practice to text to people on one text message. If you showed me that happened it would not surprise me. Although i have no recollection of it. They would have the record of those texts. Talking about sometimes paying cash, when you went on vacation with mr. Wade, lets just go one by one. Lets start with the first one. The first time you went on vacation with mr. Wade. The first time we went on vacation was around april of 22. A vacation is a stretch, but im trying to be comprehensive and i recall april of 22. His birthday is march 18. That would have been his 49th birthday. I took himen to tennessee for te day. I think we may have stayed the night. I am not sure. Tennessee is kind of hard to call a vacation but im just trying to be inclusive. I know it was not more than a day. So you did not spend the night . I think there is a possibility that we stayed that night in april of 22. Who paid for the hotel . I did. It was his birthday. Around their. And its not like when you are in grade school and you send a little letter and you say will you be my girlfriend and you check. I dont know the day that we started seeing each other. Early 22 as we started seeing each other. You went to florida on vacation as well . I dont recall going to florida on vacation with him. You never went to florida with mr. Wade . We went to get on a cruise ship. We went to miami. I think we went to miami and spent the night. That is my recollection it i think we spent one night so we would not miss the ship. That is my recollection. [inaudible] in miami . How did you get to miami . We would have flown. We have done that twice. I think one time we stayed. I honestly cannot tell you did we stay when the ship left or did we stay when the ship came back. I also cannot tell you, there are two cruises that come from miami. There was another that was a new years eve trip. 697 each. I thought this was ridiculous that the tickets are 700 to go to miami. When you travel during new years eve they get you. Lets talk about the first time youou went to florida with mr. Wade. I am not sure. I want to make sure that my testimony is clear. I am not sure if we stayed on the october trip for miami on the december trip. I just cannot remember that. I cannot remember if the necessity was as we got on the ship or as we got off the ship. I do remember there was a night spent in miami. I think that there was a night spent in miami. Back cruises the one you took in october; right . A. M. , if you have something to refresh my recollection, i am intentionally trying to not be difficult with youne but i dont want to make up something. I know that on one of those two trips we stayed in miami. You are asking me about you misunderstood. I was not asking which night you stayed in miami, im asking if you took a cruise in october 2022 with mr. Wade. Yes and his mom. Is at the first time you met his mother. Yes. That was royal caribbean, i believeib . I dont remember what ship. Weve taken two cruises. I dont remember what the names were. He paid for the flight and cruise that time. Yes. He has the original one that does it. He is a world traveler. He has been to six of the seven continents. He has both a personal travel agent and he also has a Cruise Travel agent. I dont know anything about either of those travel agents. He has one that would book the travel. We need to be clear when we are talking about just because he book it, i dont consider him taking me anyplace. Let me be honest. The only time was for his 50th birthday, i consider i took him to belize. I took him to belize, i dont want to discuss his personal business, but im happy mr. Wade is still here with us and i did 50 biggs very big. On that, even though we had a travel agent im sorry. I i dont know what cruise sp , c what time. If you will help me and say the cruise with his mom or the new years eve trip with his sister we can communicate. I just dont know ship. October cruise with mom c lie he paid for the cruise and the flights for that trip. He called his cruise agent and he book that through them. He has a cruise agent. He also has a regular agent. I was not asking about his travel agent. He did not, though. I gave him his money back. Initially he paid for that. Yes. He called his cruise agent. I think they have his card on record. They f do whatever. My understanding of that was it was a package at the lady did for him. I will getry to their reimbursements and all of that. Just trying to confirm he paid for the flight and cruise in october. When you say things that way i want this record to be abundantly clear that he called his travel agent, he called his cruise agent. They do whatever he tells them. They are on a first name basis. They do it and then they tell how much it is and i get the money back. Just like you are asking me about the money with robin. I dont do my friends like that. Whatever it is. I did not ever make and produce receipts to me. Whatever it was i gave the money back. He paid for the cruise and the flight on his credit card. Im not asking about reimbursement or after. Buying the cruise and buying the flight. I have no idea how he paid for it if its a credit card, a debit card, certainly he calls his cruise agent. How many people have a cruise agent and he tells them where he wants to go. They tell him what is booked. You have to remember, keep paid for that initial, me, him and his mother. After that cruise, you all flew to aruba and spent a couple days in a hotel there. Right. And his mother was notecnd happ. Yes, maam. Lets talk about both of those. He initially paid for it, did you pay him back . For the cruise and for aruba, yeah, before weri even went on that trip. You gave him cash . Yes. When you got cash would you go to the atm . No. You would not go to the atm . No. Fulton countyt pays you and the state, direct deposit the cash i you would pay them you would not get out of the bank. I have money at my house. Just money that was there. When you meet my father he will tell you as a woman you should always have, which i dont have, you should have at least six months in cash at your house at all times. I dont know why this old black and feelsls like that, but he ds my daddy had three safes in the house. My daddy bought me a lockbox and i always keep cash in the house. Now, i dont do it to the degree that my father would do it so he would probably be ashamed of me, but i always have cash at the house. That has been, i dont know, all my life. You better of 200 in your pocket so at that man ask of you can go where you want to go. I keep cash in my house. I dont keep cash in my purse like i used to do. When you go on a date, you should have cash in your pocket. My question was where did that cash originally come from . Cash for years in my house. For me to tell you the source of where comes from, when you go to publix and you buy something you get 50 and you throw it in there. To tell you you just have cash as i normally have what i am Building Back up now. You just put money in. It is a very good practice. You cannot say where the cash came from. I did not say could not identify it. Nobody gives me anything. I am sure the source of the money is always a work, sweat, tears of the. What you asked me before is when did the money go in there. What i am trying to tell you is i got divorced in 2005 for my husband. No, no. It is important. I need to tell you where the money came from. Four many, many years i have cap money in my house. That money and my worst days has probably only been 500 or 1000. At my best days probably 15,000 in myy house of cash. At all times there will be cash in my house. Wherever im laying my head. The cash in october 2022, do you know where that money came from . I do know where it came from. You know which job they came from. What are you talking about . It could have come from a private job because before was dar was in private practice. Ironed money during that time. What do you mean i dont know where it came from. Maam, you have mischaracterized my testimony greatly. I will not allow you to mischaracterize my testimony. I know that i keep money in my house. The amount of money that i gave mr. Wade was never that serious. I dont think ive ever handed than 2500 in reimbursement. We are not talking 20,000 in cash. I dont have 20,000 in cash right now. I know i gave him 2500 when we went to belize. Nd we went to one hotel and then we went to a second hotel. That 2500 actually gave him when we were still in belize. I know the aruba trip one you describe with his mom, i gave him about 2000 for that trip total. I consider that to be one trip. We got off of a cruise ship. At the time we had to stay in miami to wait for the flight for aruba. I consider that one trip to come back to atlanta and leave. Flying down to miami and getting on a cruise ship. We came back to miami. Either that day or the next day. We flew to aruba. That was really one trip. Lets talk about the california trip. Is that when you are moving. Did she ever live in california . Im not discussing with you the location of my child. How may times did you go once. He paid for the plane tickets and hotel. He paid for the plane tickets and the hotel. What did you pay for on that trip was your mark. I gave him much less cash. Probably four or 500. I think we did two different wine tours. They are pretty expensive and i think that i bought him, he likes wine. I dont really like wine, to be honest with you. I like gray goose. The said things that you do. It is a place that they do pairings. That is the most expensive thing that i think we did while we were there. They would tear champagne, chocolate, champagne chocolate and caviar. Three different things. Sweden, russia, someplace up the that was the most expensive thing we did. I paid for that. Gone very long neck i only asked if you paid in cash. I always think and is the cash that you keep in your house . At that point, i wouldnt be at my house and im sorry if i was not clear. The money would be wherever i lay my head. I wouldnt leave the money at the house. No. Money is going to be where i stay. How much did you pay for your trip to panama . To where . I may have the location wrong. I never went to the panama. He went to panama with his frat brothers. You already covered the lease. In october we went with we went on a cruise with his mom. We got back from the cruise with his mom and we went to aruba, i consider that one trip. Second trip, new years we went on a cruise to the bahamas. Thats the second trip. Third trip, 100 on me. I think he might have spent 200, we went to belize. That was my trip. That was his 50th and napa valley, we went around may, i dont know the dates but seems to me like it was close to mothers day. So that the record is complete, i can remember one time driving to where were we . We met in South Carolina for lunch. I dont know, we didnt stay the night there but i guess people would consider that a trip if you drive somewhere and you come back, that was insane because it was like five hours to drive, we ate lunch and we drove right back. I canca remember driving to some little town in georgia, i dont even know where i was. I had never been there before and after. Theres some boat that you can get on over to and if that gives anyone any reference. We didnt do that. I remember doing that. I mean driving one time to ngcharlotte. We had lunch with one of my very close girlfriends and, again, we drove to charlotte, met my girlfriend to lunch and drove right back so thats a trip. We didnt stay the night there but i just want to be complete in my testimony. We drove some place, had lunch, drove back. I dont remember another drive place distant and coming back to charlotte to see a girlfriend, to meet my sister in South Carolina. We went by ourselves when i the told you about the remote place in georgia. We could have driven some place else and had lunch and came back but thats all that comes to my recollection right now. My Security Team was very clear to me not to be out and about in atlanta without them and so for me to do something just very normal that a normal person would get to do, they werent prosecuting this case, i had to drive four hours to do it. Thats what i was going to ask you, security detail, did they take you to the and from your house . Well, so i havent been able to enjoy my home. Condo. Where you lay your head. 99 of the time. Would they take mr. Wade to and wherever you layed your head. That has never happened. Im telling you that thats never happened. Your Security Team has never my Security Team has never taken mr. Wade from any place where i have lived and brought him here, never, not once, ever. Have they taken you together . To where . We left this building and for gone to lunch but going to lunch so rarely that that is a very rare occasion. Im sure and let me be clear, it wouldnt just be mr. Wade, so im sure my Security Team has taken me to lunch. Probably been a time the aye left here 7 00 oclock gone to get something to eat and i dont even know that they would have taken him or they would have driven himself but theyve taken me to do that but we are talking about very few, very far and between. Most days i dont even eat lunch and when i do is because my assistant has heated up something and i eat in my office. Its in the a practice of mine to go to lunch. During the time that you were dating, would your Security Team take you together anywhere . No. Never . If there wasu a lunch that occurred that i just described, if there was a meal that i just described, anything outside of that the and it needs to be very clear, not often, once, twice, because i want to be over inclusive. Im saying once or twice. Im not certain that it happened but i want to be overinclusive with you. So your objected to getting delta records for flights that you may have taken. I object you to getting records. Youve been intrusive into peoples personal lives. Youre confused. You think im on trial. These people are on trial for trying to steal election on 2020. Im not on trial no matter how hard you put me on trial. I object to getting any personal records of mine we are not dealing with privilege through a witness. And im not dealing with privilege. We hadne offered to put them in camera for the court to review and i want to know if she has okay. You have to file something called income and Financial Disclosure . Thats correct. Filed two to date . I would have filed 21, 22, 23. You filed your first one it looks lake april 15th, 2022 and your second one april 17th, 2023. Does that sound familiar . I dont remember the dates but youre an officer of the court im hoping that youre telling the truth now. May i approach the witness . You may. I already gave can somebody bring me some its getting a little old. Those are the ones that you filed . This looks like me for sure. Yes, maam. Yes, maam. We moved to 20 and 21. 2021. That is defendants exhibit 20. Defendants exhibit 2021 it accounts for the time period january the first, 2022 through december the first, 2022. Any objections to exhibits 2021 . Nope. When did your personal relationship with mr. Wade end . Our personal relationship ended this year. So lets be very clear so that we dont mix words. I dont want to mix words. Mr. Wade is my friend right now. Mr. Wade i would say has been my friend since 2020. He started out lick mentor the and professional colleague, he became my friend and somebody that i really respected. I feel very indebted to mr. Wade for taking on the task of this job and he is certainly my friend and one of the people that i respect the most. So if you ask about a personal relationship, i consider myself to have a personal relationship right now with mr. Wade. I consider myself to have a personal relationship with ana cross and i consider to have a personal relationship with andrew evans. Let me clarify that. I have a personal relationship with him as we speak right now. I dont think thats what youre asking. When did your romantic relationship with mr. Wade end . Me and mr. Wade, we are good friends. My respect for him has grown over these 7 weeks of attacks. We are very good friends. I think but for these attacks it would have been a friendship that as life goes he would have stopped having, i think that you have submitted that we will be friends to the day we die. Your honor, can we just have an answer . She asked about personal relationships. She asked when the romantic relationship ended, thats the question. Some time in late summer of 2023. This is the solicitousness of all of this. Im asking about your romantic relationship, when you stopped dating. I think that me and mr. Wade, so hes a man, he probably would say june or july. Oui would say we had a tough conversation in august. End of fiscal intimacy. Women in relationship when that tough conversation takes place. Where did he come to the condo, i dont know what you call it condo apartment. Would he come and stay at the condo and visit you there . What condo, what apartment, i want to bee clear. Not jury house. I want to clarify the terms. See what you dont understand because of the case i have to move and so if you could ask a more precise question. Please, give me the time period. Mr. Wade visit you at the place you lay your head. When . Lets be clear. You lied right here. I think you lied right here. Your honor. No, no, this is the truth. Judge, it is a lie. It is a lie. Ms. Willis, we will take five minutes. Be back