So to be integrated in this type of society. Kennedy. He will be answering your calls and tweets until 3 00 p. M. Eastern. Host we haveaut the agents themselves are raised and dedicated but therethe agents come is a culture for treating against those that point out th problems or threats punishing agents who questioned anything on the other hand promoting agents into management go along and pretend so it is a corrupt culture and you saw an example of that when the previous direct her claim after this intrusion that he was stopped at the door and that was a total lie. How can an agency put out a lie i cut and think they can get away with it . When it came out of that wasnt true the new director was asked about that at a hearing into whether anybody would be held accountable for issuing a false information adhesive how do and he said how do you know it was an error how do you appoint anybody like that number one, to be the permanent director and number two how can anybody on the lower level trust somebody like that, how can they trust him to stop this corrupt culture and how can you trust him with any information and that is the problem with the secret service today. Host hell did that culture develop . Guest it seems that started around 2003 when the Department Took over the secret service at the Treasury Department and that made a little more political. They had to fight for budgets although they have this attitude we dont really need any money so they will leave the door of the White House Open they need to have good alarm systems and then in addition to the leadership it was part of this culture. Mark sullivan when he was the director presided over all of these fiascoes the intrusion of the Party Crashers of the steak dinner, the prostitution scandal which is a story that i broke and every time this happened president obama would say i have confidence in the leadership and secret service, he should have been replaced long ago someone from outside of the agency who wouldnt beholden to interest in the agency who would change the culture. Thats what you do when any organization is in trouble you bring in someone from the outside and im afraid president obama has guaranteed the secret service will continue to from one fiasco to another. Host is it helpful or hurtful the president basically has to say over who is going to be the director . Guest the president should have a say but at the same time the director should be confirmed by the senate the way as the fbi director and has the hundreds of obscure officials that youve never heard of for example the u. S. Marshals in the 62 different districts in the country are confirmed by the senate and that is one of the recommendations in my book. I am quite sure if that were in place and by the way some house members on both sides of the aisle have introduced legislation to require the confirmation of the secret service directors, we wouldnt have mr. Clancy in charge. We would have an outside director who had been a highranking fbi official because theyve done a spectacular job of keeping us safe from a foreign terrorist attack. They would never stand up for this culture that you see today in the secret service. Host do agents have to sign nondisclosure agreements . Guest it was always understood that you never disclose what you see behind the scenes which can be pretty amazing. But after the prostitution scandal came out and i broke up because the secret service did require confidentiality agreements, so agents are not allowed to speak to the press. In perilous losing their job. Host and you have written about the secret service originally they wrote in the Washington Post what is truly dangerous is the kind of National Inquirer gossip in the secret service. In the future without trust and confidence in their agents president s will want to keep them at a distance out of spidey range and safety range when split seconds become. Guest on guest on the one hand there is no gossip in the book. These are firsthand accounts i would say about half of the quotes are on the record essentially investigative reporting and because its so happens the book begins with energizer who was the mistress and goes into Hillary Clintons abuse of agents and the fact she is so nasty that agents consider being assigned to her detail punishment on to dick cheneys daughter who tried to get the agents to take take a take her french restaurants and they refused as they should have and she threw a fit and got the leader removed over that not to mention the fact the reason that Ronald Reagan was shot is that his own white house staff over ruled that the secret service to let spectators within 15 feet as he came out of the washington hilton and thats why he was able to shoot him. The secret service covered it up even though it was the fault of the white house and so these are major disclosures that we need to know about especially with the leaders are like behind the scenes. Host you write the first family detailed the sure everybody that comes to visit the president is walled in except theres one you do not want into the book. Guest this is that secret Service Agents were instructed on to guard the president and Hillary Clinton. Its a very small example of the kind of corner cutting that takes place that could jeopardize the security of the president. On a larger scale when Bradley Cooper the actor went to the white house Correspondents Dinner president obama was about to speak and a highranking secret Service Official in new york instructed agents to lead Bradley Cooper in his suv into the secure space in front of the hotel where only secret Service Vehicles were allowed and if they had to be screened for explosives because anyone could strap an explosive under the vehicle. It was just a favor to the security people. Agents were horrified. Here they are risking their lives to protect the president and they are being told just with him and we dont care. Thats the kind of culture i am talking about which actually jeopardizes the life of the president. Another example is that i regularly says agent will be told by management to let people into events without a metal detection screening. Just like letting passengers onto an airplane without a metal detection screening and the reason again is because the secret service is so spineless that they bow to pressure whether its the white house both bush and Obama White House or from campaign staffs to let people in because the event is about to start, there is a line outside and those with their attitude didnt provide enough so the political steps they you know, we dont want these people outside the event. And sure enough the secret service lets them in. Thats something in my book. The other malfeasance in the book still havent come out. Host some of the with some of the revelations he found that didnt make quite a splash that you thought they would . Guest one is Vice President joe biden when he goes to wilmington back to his home which he does several times a week. He will instruct them to keep the counterattack on the country like russia or china because he wants to have this image of the regular joe. Stay back a mile behind. There wouldnt be time. What could be more reckless and yet that hasnt been picked up by the press. In addition, it goes back as i said several times a week. But he treats it like a little taxi and at the cost to the taxpayers has been a Million Dollars since Biden Took Office and some liberal writer question whether any of this was true and what could be more official than the actual details of every trip provided by the air force. The only thing that was picked up is that he likes to skinny dip at the Vice President s residence and at wilmington which offends the secret Service Agents to talk about a war on women. That borders on harassment to go around naked in front of female agents. Host if joe biden is inconsiderate with agents, Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like mohammed gandhi. When in public she acts graciously and as soon as the cameras are gone her angry personality, nastiness and in. This become evident. Guest i love the dealing secrets that have a meeting that this means we need to look at the cal character of the candidates because ultimately the character influences how they carry out the presidency but the policies are. Look at Richard Nixon. Sure enough we got watergate but we need to look at a character in a track record at the same thing of the same thing as we look at whenever we choose an employee or friend. Somehow people just forget about those things and start focusing on what they said. She was going to treat them with contempt if she is abusive and nasty and flies into temper tantrums over nothing even going over a bump in the road. That is in on the record quote from a secret Service Agent who would try for. What kind of personality is that . It to someone who is certainly a hypocrite and claims shes going to help middleclass yet she cant err to treat those same people with decency. Another detail is that the reason vince foster committed suicide is the one hand he was very depressed but his suicide was triggered according to the fbi agents have investigated the death for Kenneth Starr by the fact week before the suicide she had a big meeting in the white house with vince foster and other aides and colleagues and they had a disagreement over a legal issue and she flew into a rage called him a smalltown lawyer who would never make it into bigtime, humiliated him in front of his own colleagues and after that he went downhill according to the people interviewed by the Family Member a and according to the fbi agents had visited triggered the suicide a week later and again the press has ignored that. Host we will get into your other books as we go that does your material need to be vetted by anyone . Guest it generally has gone over that i had won in 1972 when i was in the Washington Post by president nixons effect of friend so with a contribution by both sides with some charity that costs billions of dollars in legal fees paid to williams and connolly and then a second one over one of my books in the 80s so im very, very careful and i do think of myself as a lawyer and also one thing i do is when i trusted someone whom ive interviewed or even if i dont trust the person coming even if its in an adversary situation i will present a draft of what i planned to write to that individual in ipo solicit corrections and comments and in one of my books enterprise in the secret service, i reveal that the treasury secretary under president bush, mr. Snow can have a mistress that he but he did go see every weekend and of course that would cost taxpayers because the secret service would have to go down there. Once in the secret Service Agent even told him kissing this mistress the husband was about to come back. They slammed the doors to try to alert mr. Snow. I presented a chat debate could draft and he had a very highpowered lawyer, very good lawyer richard cohen. Sure enough he invited me to lunch and we negotiated some items and he pointed out one or two errors but the story was there. Host how do you get the agents to talk to you . I know that im very interested in what they do and for example the first story on the fbi criminal profiling in 1985 in the Washington Post i was talking about how they profile killers cant resist and they sense that it will would hear about their work. I also think telling our story which i appreciate on the one hand one of my books led to the dismissal of william sessions the fbi director over the abuses so im very comfortable exposing the abuses and prostitution scandal as a mentioned in on the other hand when an agency or person does wild, i say that which is very unusual in todays journalistic world and as i said earlier i make the point that the fbi is very successful and the whole culture has changed to emphasize prevention and two emphasize getting the sources to the next spot as opposed to putting people in jail. Of course they always wanted to stop plot and they still want to put people in jail. That is another reason for me to people to cooperate. Host when did you suspect . Guest the book called the bureau is a complete history and because the fbi contacts, i was able to interview mark in california is one of the ranking officials and i went up to his house and when i went up to the door and said this guy was here and he had this limousine park and walked to my house theres no way that we would have done that if they picked up the story and so that was the first credible evidence that he felt and by the way they come over and write their stories on the typewriter because woodward wasnt a very good writer and they would argue and i recently said that they argued and we actually argued all day long. So i knew also that there is a Conspiracy Theory that deep throat was a combination of people and i dont know why anybody would think that with the plaintiff that was commanded by the coming and by the way an interesting footnote is that a week or two after watergate started, editors at the post asked me to replace carl bernstein. He was abused. They really want to push him aside. Possibly i wouldnt have gotten along with woodward. He was the best man at my wedding but im happier with my life. Host secret Service Agents like Barack Michelle obama that treats them with respect. Steve mcnair is a character thats one reason people in here and play like obama even if they may not like his policy at times. I think people do have this sense that shes not a very likable person you are likable enough. The fact that my books are apolitical and they tell it like it is in fact check. Org reviewed my previous book that says its unflattering and as an incredibility on my books. Host what goes into the annual trip to hawaii . Guest weeks before they voted in advance and interview the local Law Enforcement. Its right down to the most minute detail of the motorcade. At one time when one time when george h. W. Bush was going to give a speech in oklahoma campaigning for reelection they talk to the local Law Enforcement and they said shes been incredibly reliable in the past. They said that the motorcade. This is on the record from one of the agents. This is going to come out of air force one. But youre not the next one. Im always asked while they go to work if there is an overpass but the secret Service Agents are very, very impressive. Fbi agents admired him more than any other Law Enforcement when they get threats for example they interview the suspects if they cant find them and put them into three different categories where it is believed if they had the capability perhaps they had Firearms Training in those cases when the president goes to the hometown to warn them to stay away from the president that they are going to be watched all the way through. He probably will not be prosecuted. Host what is crowd . Guest the secret service code name. These are names often generated by computer also an individual under protection can detail particular code names. George w. Bush became so these names are not classified but they are helpful because in the crowd if the secret Service Agent wants to refer on the radio to someone under protection other people wont know who hes talking about and then on the other hand it also clarifies the name because of some names may sound all the same as when you say crown for the white house or the shell or barack obama and one understands what they are talking about. Host from your book in spite of the cia you write that today the cia is a Different Agency from the one that created sensational headlines about drug testing and domestic surveillance. Guest this is an example about how i present the story that the cia back in those days before there was any oversight whatsoever in fact the congress didnt want to know what they were doing we engaged in foolish practices. They had a plot to get the falloff because they wouldnt respect them in the country. It is just insane and often a legal leg to babies. It often goes with these unfocused efforts. My good friend john martin was in charge of prosecuting spies for 25 years he prosecuted. John walker he gave me a good framework looking at the springs. Hoover would go after any war protesters. It was also confusing the collectivity. There was a lack of focus that they didnt do their job of catching spies. They were engaged in these foolish plots and on the other hand today, just like the fbi they are disposable for the fact that we havent a successful attack. All that we see in the press these days is in the case of the nsa. Its done in political purposes and there are good reasons for the data that theyve engaged in. Thats how its stopped by and knowing these people many of them have become friends to see how they look, going out to the up to the fbi and other very into the secret service facility, learning how they train agents i have an appreciation for what they do and there were heroes that have kept us safe but the fact is there isnt an abuse since the hoover days. That is important to keep in mind. We have been running the store the cia has an asset in yemen who is on to the plots of the bombs being put on planes even though there is no abuse, there is no job as their there should be commanded that could result in the wmd attack on the country like millions of people, so this is a standard journalism but i just dont get. It does not exist when i was at the Washington Post ireland or bob woodward wanted to do a story about the fa