On working with arab and muslim communities because it is the it shall its the mom, its the mother. Its the exwife its the father who knows something terribly wrong is going on with their son or daughter. And can must feel comfortable coming to, you know, either the fbi or the government officials to disclose their own concerns. An second piece to it, of course, which is the access people have to weaponry that can kill a lot of people so thats what we have to get very serious about. Whether its terrorism watch list and purchase of guns or having more stringent gun laws. So those are two ways this whicl we can do it and thats whyw people like me are very, very passionate and critical of some of the thaings youre hearing coming out of this transition and some of the people who support the president elect about, you know, about Islamic Community our muslim communitieo and arab communities. I will tell you as someone who has been in Counter Terrorism for a slorng time one of the things that makes our nation safer than most we have our vulnerabilities we have safer than most is that we dont have radicalized immigrant population. You have the mexican in l. A. The cubans in florida. The irish in boston where i live and muslims in dearborn. Right all feel a common identity with the United States and if we do things that will isolate those communities, not only is it the wrong thing to do or inconsistent with what those communities are able to offer us, but i think in the longterm it would actually mac us less safe. Security mom is the naiflt book and unclassified guide to protect homeland and your home juliet is the author. 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Look for these titles in book stores this coming week and watch for many authors in booktv on cspan2. [inaudible] im going to attack off my jacket. Okay. We might have a few late comers but they will be through the back. So first of all we would like to welcome you to the twa museum and its our pride and joy we hope you enjoy it. And wed like we also if you want to tour the museum you have to go back out and around ab and we have a flight 800 room that might be of interest to you especially after you hear that. My pleasure to welcome jack to the museum for this presentation. Youre going to do question and answers so q and a after his speech. Okay. So welcome jack. Thank you. [applause] thank you for having me and this is a great venue i suspect first time booktv has ever done one from an airplane hangar. This is my tenth booktv the one closest to my heart for a variety of reasons, and let me just start with a little background and many of you know on july 17th, 1996 at 8 19 p. M. Left jfk in bound for paris 12 minutes later 8 31 popular off long island it was blown out of the sky. 230 people were killed. 53 of them were twa employees. Many of you in this room knew at least some of those people. There is a memorial in their honor here at the museum, and if i door for coming here spread some conspiracy theory, i would be dishonoring their memory had an i would be insulting you, and instead im here to tell you what happened on the night of july 17th, 1996 and then the night and day and months and years thereafter. There are people many this room who know a whole lot more about aviation than i do, and at the end of my conversation im going take question and answers because i know some of you have firsthand experience with this tragedy. Heres what we know. In the last few years, researchers have unearthed a mother load of new informs from of all places the Central Intelligence agency, the cia. Through a excellent question with the cia is doing involving itself in a nest forecast airplane crash. Well get to that in a minute, and weve also gotten some interesting videos. And some it a lot of whistle blowers from inside the investigation have come forward so the state of our knowledge today is much better than what it was 20 years ago. When i say we, im gong to give credit to the people who have done a lot of research here like sometimes partnering James Sanders, business and some of the other people christina who came here and spoke tomorrow cbs producer. Ray lare former eastern aret pilot and also investigators attorney john clark good at actress and media [inaudible] and hank senior sbn investigators so they deserve credit for digging up the information im going to share. I want that to be known. Sips since the book has come out ive heard from 100 individuals within military and Aviation Industry supporting my thesis most of them worked for and at the investigation itself. Many of them are still angry about with the experience and what happens to them. Heres what we know. Now, according to an air Traffic Controller, in fact, this will contact me after the book came out and emailed me today curiously saying he loved the book and that he thanked me for treating his story accurately because i wrote about him. I did not release his name. He worked with 38 years as an air Traffic Controller once to keep his pension. He says for children and that is you hear from a lot of people. But what he told me that night this is a quote, he said a primary radar return indicated vertical movement intersecting pwa800 thats what they have on their screen in west bury and that is where precipitated the panic in washington, d. C. That was the first notice and whether the eyewitnesses came out of the aircraft control center in new york said something happened to this plane and seconds before this intersected that airplane it disappeared. And the pw800 notation disappeared from the screen. The supervisor comes over to tell my correspondent have you seen anything like this ever before . And he said yeah. They do missill test so something not unknown to him. Next day he comes back in and he wantses to review the tape. And he goes to the supervisor can i take another look at that tape who says no its gone. Its been table. This is a violation of all protocol now the only person who is spoken about what happens next in washington is Richard Clark the formaller antiterror czar he spoke it shall a liar and bragger so its hard to sort through his information and get the truth but at least fend some time on this. Else who writes about that period of time in that administration is completely silent about the event. Not a word. Even though it was the number one news story in 1996. And it was richard titled it the almost war and clark is convening a meeting of the antiterror group in the situation room in the white house at 9 00 a half hour after the crash. I know from hirnts log and from my sources within the white house, that the clintons returned to the white house just about 8 30 after some are you teen fundraising nearby. They retreated to the family quarters and there they stayed for the rest of the night and not out of the situation room. Many my source was a very good source. I asked who was with them in family quarters he has one name. And that was sandy burger. Now burger is the Deputy National security advisor his was a National Security advisor and like i said this elsewhere, he knew when the conversation got political, he left the room. Burger was political guy. Political decisions were about to be made. Among them was the insertion of the fbi into the investigation. One of the most helpful to come into the story later on and ill tell you about it name is vernon a former mtsb board member. Only fife on the National Transportation safety board it is a powerful position. And vernon is one of the leading experts in the country on plane crashes. He was so knowledgeable that cnn called him in that night to do on air interpretation of the events on air commentary. He spent next six hours there. And as he tells many me he goes i wasnt there a couple of hours and then the fbi had taken over the investigation. He goes as a former board member i knew this was unprecedented and illegal because ntsb set up to be independent, and at that point they sacrificed their independence and they yielded to the fbi. Now, no one knew at that time it was that some other insertion was taking place on that very first day. And this we know the who will treasuretrove of cia dhaments we have unearthed and heres what we know. According to their own documents, quote, that t. I. Thats the director are of intelligence became involved in the missile theory the day after the crash occurred. The cia has absolutely no business being involved in this kind of event. Especially since the year before in 1995, the department of justice sent out a memo often known as the wall memo and it says is that theres a wall between the intelligence gather and cia and the criminal investigators in the fbi and members shall meet. This can note collaborate because it would be, you know, a violation of peoples rights. Who knows. And george in 2004 at that point was the director of central intenls the head of the cia, and he told the 9 11 commission that he was first one who introduce that notion to the public. And he wasnt the only one to talk about it but he was the first one to do it. But as cia documents approve cia and fbi for next 16 months would collaborate on the investigation but they did not say outright is that collaboration was the divert of the investigation. The cia had no other role to become incredit clear when you reads their documents than to make all talk of missiles go away because on the opening nite thats all people were talking about. Within first two hours, we know that there was threetion one amateur video taken of the complete sequence of events. Some of you may have seen it. It was aired on msnbc to begs any knowledge but two or three times. I talked to one of the fellow tech director and he said you know we shared a few sign and three guys in suits came and copies to keep our mouths shut or else, and that was the end of that. Thousand, the best elaboration of what were seeing i got from a 747 pilot and he was willing to give me his name which you allow me to use his name which is a sign of some confidence. He was laid up in a hong kong hospital. With a back surgery and his wife came to visit and they have nothing to do but watch tv for several weeks during the sequence of events he said we watched the videos over and over again. He said heres what we see. He said theres a bunch of people around on the dc, and then someone says look at the fireworks and then they see and this is a lot of other people would say the same thing. They see this object come up up off the horizon with a red burning and great smoky contrail heading out to sea in a arch over, and then i disappear for a second and then a bright white flash, big orange o fireball and plane falls out of the sky. He saw this, he said 30 to 50 times. He saw the video. Nelson deville would write a novel around this video night fault worth reading you havent read it. Quite fun. Now we get into the cia documents and they get real interesting. On july 30th, 13 days after the crash, the cia analyst and i know the name of the head guy may or may not mention later meets with the fbi and missile team only two or three man missile team and he headlines the memo to his superior and all names hold which is interesting. He tells the superior that he just met with the missile team. The missile team has already interviewed 144 excellent eyewitnesses to a missile attack on flight 800. He said the evidence for a missile tack for a service to air missile is overwhelming. Their words he said these men are mainly professionals and their testimony is too consistent for it to be anything but a missile attack. Now the cia analyst bragged to his superior how he diskowrminged diskowrminged fbi from going to the report just about ready to be published. And he was successful. Because that report never came forward. Between july 30th and august 17th someone gets to the gi. They came to the job e intend ising to do it justice. Someone gets to them before august 17, because on august 17th fbi speak to the first time to New York Times about eyewitnesses. Now, the fbi qowld would speak exclusively to knock times and became dependent on that relationship. And, in fact, at the heart of this story a media scandal more than anything else it is a media scandal and at the heart of the media scandal is the New York Times. But i meet with New York Times and story is reported on august 17th so they met on the 15th or 16th about two or so weeks after the muscle team met with the cia, and then New York Times called that there are fewer than a dozen credible eyewitnesses and New York Times allowed to interview just one eve those eyewitnesses hes a good witness named mike et ruses l on a barge doing surveying work and hes pretty knowledgeable. And he said he sees that out of the corner of his eye a bright white flash and then the plane fall needsly ousts sky. Now, two things that the deny happen but the purpose was then to switch the scenario from missile to bomb. For whatever reason administration decided to live with a bomb because it wasnt as scary as a missile by the way this crash to go place two days before the start. So theres at at stake in keeping Airlines Flying and keeping, you know, commercial traffic in taber. Keeping people away from feeling insecure about airplanes. In total the New York Times would interview before it was through the fbi would interview 258 eyewitness who is saw an october streaking up and hitting the airplane. 96 of them saw it come up over the horizon and tracked it all the way up. Now of those 258, you know how many the New York Times would interview before the investigation was over . Zero im talking 20 or 30 of them. I mean theyre sell there and they want to tell their story. Zero they would speak to not a single one of those 258 official fbi witnesses. Now, 250 people in all gave a report to fbi thousands more saw it because i know people who chose not to talk to the fbi and they have good reason as it turned out. But between the 15th or 17th and 23rd. New york times kept running more stories about bombs. On the plane pcn on the plane, mistrace of a missile residue found inside and outside of the plane. On the 23rd of august, they ran this headline above the fold right. Crime evidence found that the device exploded in cabin of twa200 thats above a fold in New York Times. Crime evidence found and there are pointing to a bomb but theyre not riling out missiles but exploded in cabinets above the fold left clinton science welfare reform bill and Democratic National convention. One of those headlines had to go. And it was this one. And then the bomb talk just started going away. The day before the 23rd im sure the Justice Department was aware that the fbi had been talking too much. So the head of the fbi investigation jim is called to washington for his first meeting in washington. All right heading up this meeting as the information suggest is Deputy Attorney general jamie gorili name will play in this so keep track of that. Her name is reno who was essentially a figure head, attorney general and didnt trust them and they worked around her like they worked around tony in the National Security counsel. Theyre through sandy burger, and there is no record of what took place on that meeting on the 2 nd but we do know that all behaviors began to change immediately afterwards. From the 22nd on, there would be no more interviews with eyewitnesses for at least several months and then those took place later for the wrong reasons. We know that on the 23rd faa started searching all over the world to see if they could find a day and a place where twa flight 800, the plane was used for a dog Training Exercise with training aids explosive train aring aids that took them several weeks to find that. And then a series of events begun to happen between the 23rd and 19th of september there was more story it is that a bomb has to do in new york time didnt knows quite what direction to take partly because fbi tonight know what direction to take and then on september 19th story switches to washington. And now it is ntsb reading the direction. And what they say is that perhaps it was a mechanical failure afterall. It, you know, they said mechanical failure alone might just explain what happens. Well this was a problem still because we had all of the residue trace was explosives found on the plane and headline and so how do we reconcile these two . Well the next day the fbi puts out a press release that the plan has been used for a Training Exercise in st. Louis six weeks before this happened. On the 21st of september, the New York Times run ares an article says that very same thing, and basically kills the investigation. And the people who are serious investigators are saying it is going to be hard for us to make our case now that there was this saying that bomb Training Exercise sloppy, explosives, et cetera, et cetera. By the 11 st neither the fbi or New York Times talked to cops who did the training. The first fern in the media to talk to that cop was me. Six years after the fact, no one had talked to him in that time. And what they decided was that