[ theme music ] michael welcome back to the the young turks. Tomorrow our attention will turn to the vatican as they have their first day of voting, just one vote tomorrow. Here it is on the young turks the Michael Shure prediction of who the next pope it will. Yes, odilo shererer of brazil. Pomp and circumstance, i wouldnt bet on it actually. Go online to see us at the young turks. Com. Thanks a lot. [ music ] [ theme music ] john good evening and welcome to viewpoint. So judge has repealed new yorks soda ban. It turns out antibiotics resistence can cause death from minor surgery or the new england medical journal of extreme medical bummers and karzai is saying that the Obama Administration is in cahoots with the taliban. Either our troops are trying to protect him from his own people or someone is trying to get a gig at fox news. Happy birthday to Sam Donaldson and Supreme CourtJustice Scalia scalia, and i would like to buy him a cake but he probably views that as perpetual entitlement. This is viewpoint. [ music. [ music ] good evening, im John Fugelsang. Thank you for joining us. Its a week that budget fanatics could only dream of. Slip on the green eye shades, crank up the quicken and make sure you have plenty of lined paper ready for notes. Not only is house budget chair paul ryan offering up his latest Budget Proposal on tuesday but after four years without one the Senate Democrats are preparing to offer a budget of their own he on wednesday. As for the white house well, president obamas budget document is already 36 days over due but could be ready sometime next month. Meanwhile mr. Obama is trying to convince cajole or coerce congress to come together to fix or fiscal problems and for once not let politics get in the way. According to White House Press secretary jay carney mr. Obamas laid out an ambitious schedule for three days oh to travel capitol hill. Senate democrats on tuesday. House republicans on wednesday. Senate republicans on thursday, and House Democrats also on thursday. John it seems that the president thinks the a big deal is possible. Its not really about deficit reduction. In fact, you may say its more of a priority for the recommendation than democrats. John jay carney, theres everything partisan about the deficit reduction. We think the obamacare expansion of medicare is reckless. Were saying dont grow this program because it doesnt work. John now you may have thought the Supreme Court and november election settled the fate of the obamacare for good. Are you saying that as part of your budget you would assume the repeal of the obamacare . Yes. Well, thats not going to happen. Well, we believe it should. Its a program that basically puts medicare under the coal of 15 people on a board that will determine what kind of benefits people get. Thats a rationing board. However you slice it. John when it really should be privatized. Its good that paul ryan is bringing down these ayn rand talking points and sarah palin talking points. I think the answer to that question will be determined based on how he conducts himself in the coming weeks and months. John how the president conducted himself . It sounds like president obama is on abortion, double secret probation likely if he dares to attack actually g. O. P. Policies again. But as unpleasant as it is to be demeaned in the present history can be kind to expresident s at least thats the fate former Florida Governor jeb bush imagines for his wayward brother george. The more people compare his tenure to what is going on now i think history will be kind to george w. Bush. John there is a difference between saying history will be kind and history will vindicate. Its only history like just is blind. As for mr. Bushs own future in politics, meet meet the press host gregory pressed him until he cracked. Who is the hottest politician, you or march crow rubio. Who are we more likely to see in the white house. You guys are crack addicts. Youre obsessed with this politics. Marco rubio is a great guy. Heroin addict, is that better. John no one laughs harder at that than chris christie. Im joined by jonathan cohen. Thank you for joining us. As you know, the ryan budget is supposed to come out tomorrow. Do we know what is in it besides another shot at repealing the Affordable Care act . So we dont know what is in it. The reports out have been a little sketchy, and its hard to know which direction people are trying to drop hints to mislead people and sometimes people who report things dont understand exactly what theyre hearing i think its safe to assume that this ryan budget will look like the last ryan budget which booked like the previous ryan budget. That means it will have three characteristics. Number one, it will try to transform basic Government Social insurance programs. Paul ryan doesnt believe in these programs. It will be deep cuts to spending spending and on programs that americans i care about. You wont get all the details. Thats because if they had to reveal the details people wouldnt like them. John i think youre right. After the election that was fought in part over the Affordable Care act why do you think theyre doubling down on the repeal again. We expect this from congresswoman bachmann, but we dont expect it from paul ryan any more. I mean, look, this is what he believes. I dont begrudge his belief. I expect to some extent hes trying to throw red meat to the conservative crowd he wants to please. The republicans have a base. This is what the Republican Base wants and this is what theyre going get. I do think its important to remember that most likely when he says he wants to repeal obamacare he doesnt want to repeal the good part. He wants to repeal the tax credit that middle class people will be able to use to buy insurance. He wants to repeal the part to medicaid. Hell keep medicare that obamacare uses to pay for these other parts. Hell keep the stuff thathes going to keep the stuff that takes money out of medicare but not the parts that put money back in the pockets of average every day people. John i love agreeing with Chris Wallace wherever i can this just isnt going to happen. Do you think paul ryan is doing this to assert himself as the intellectual leader of the party or just a fundraising tactic for potentially 2016. Does that have to be an either or. No, please. I suspect its a little bit of both. Look, i think he believes it. Youre talking about a true believing, you know, anti antigovernment extreme conservative. I think he wants to get rid of the coverage expansions of obamacare. He doesnt want to make sure that everyone gets health insurance. He wants to tear it down. This is a guy with an eye on his political future. He needs to raise money, and if this helps hes happy to do this. John well, he ran against the 116 billion provider cuts that the president used to help pay for the Affordable Care act. Now ryan is for using that 716 billion in this budget just like he did in 2011 and 2012 while campaigning against it. Does anybody on the g. O. P. Side care that paul ryan was for the tax cuts before he was against them, and is now for them again . I dont think they do care. Im not even sure that they understand that thats what hes doing. Quite honestly, this has become such a punch line for the republicans, obamacare cuts out of medicare that they dont realize that their own budget takes the exact amount of money out of medicare. They seem willing to live with it. They obviously dont care. John congressman ryan said sunday he still wanted to see medicare converted into something he called a premium support system. That sounds scary to me. What does it mean, and do we know if ryan is still trying to rage the eligibility age. It should sound scorey. Its a rock solid iron clad guarantee of benefits. Its telling citizens when you turn 65 youll get a program that will cover your needs. Premium coverage means well give a check and we hope it will be enough for to you buy insurance. If not well, you might be out of luck. Thats the kind of transportation paul ryantransformation that paul ryan has talked about. If there is an age that this kicks in its hard to know. Its hard to know at the time whether or not he raises the age by a year or two it really doesnt matter. Is he going to preserve the basic medicare that existed since 1965. I suspect the answer will be known. John when is a voucher not a voucher. Thank you for your time tonight. Thanks for having me. John we appreciate it. For more on the political slug fest, and whether history will be as kind to his brother as jeb bush would like, im joining by joe williams and eric bates. Thank you for being here. Nice being here. John let me start with you professor bates. Was there any indication to you that any part of the Affordable Care act was on the menu . Not that you could tell. If there was a discussion of the Affordable Care act it didnt go very well since ryan is back out saying he wants to cut it again. Why hes moving in that direction when there was a National Referendum on this very issue is hard to tell. But he is clearly doubling down and wanting to that way again. John it seems like its testing well with the base but i dont know what kind of traction hell get with it politically. Joe, can paul ryan get away with the flip flops that he used last year but used three times to balance his alleged budget. So far so good. He has not been challenged to the degree where people would say hey wait a minute. These numbers are funny. Now youre for the tax cut then against it, and now for it again . Hes not going to be challenged on that because the beltway media and conventional wisdom is that paul ryan is the budget wonk. People will stick with it, and very few people who have the juice to call bull and get it heard to take it seriously are doing anything like that. Its ludicrous from where i sit. John lets go to the question whether its a deficit problem or revenue problem. According to the Washington Post the Senate Budget is supposed to replace 85 billion in sequestration cuts from an overhauled tax code. Its supposed to pass through reconciliation which would need 51 democrats. Of course thats what we used to pass the Affordable Care act. Are both of these budgets just political documents given that neither could past both houses of congress . If so, are we just looking at plain politics back and forth, not finding any results . Yes weve been through this rigmarole over and over where the republicans come out and present a budget that doesnt have real numbers in it, that doesnt add up, and its clear it cant pass. They just do it over and over again. At best you would hope that its a opening gambit. Its common no negotiations. This is my wish list, and i know im not going to get it, but im going to start here. They dont move forward with anything else, it appears to be an entrenchinged position where they go for it over and over again saying our way or the highway. John arent the democrats saying they havent had a budget in 114 days. Theyre willing to move on social security, medicare. Republicans keep saying well, show us. They havent shown anything even when the proposals are in front of him. Yes, it seems like one side is willing to negotiate. When that situation continues to posture, its not going to go anywhere. John can you think think of any . Well, theresand then theres theim i got nothing here. I mean, in the objects of imagination, there really is nothing that they can do that will pass both houses of congress and get signed by president obama. Thats the rare triple plate in washington that weve been hungering for, for so long. Theyre getting their positions out there, making them look as good as possible for the next election cycle. Certainly that on its face, the fact that he has tried to move in their position several times repeatedly, they still wont take yes even after he tells them, look you guys were for this and youve asked to do this. Ive done it, why wont you take yes. They cant come up with a very coherent answer. John one area they may agree on is raising the eligibility age of medicare. I dont want to believe that of the democrats but it seems that its inching that way. Is that an area they might reach compromise . If they get there, its in a fight. It wont be in the austere measures that people are talking about. There has to be addressing of the situation. President obama has put it on the table. I cant see him getting it getting it passed his base even though the Republican Base might be willing to go along with it. I dont see that happening, and not to any kind of great success. John wow, this just keeps getting more cheery all the time. Let me shift gears to something more funny, jeb bush running for president. He has a book out this week that he wants us to buy and ignore. Buy it and dont read it. Does he seem like a man who is running for president . He absolutely seems like a man who is running for president. Hes running in the wrong direction. Thethere was a referendum on which way were going on immigration reform. Bush has made an about face on his own position. Rather than full citizenship hes for a path that looks like citizenship but isnt. Thats not going to fly going forward. Why hes doing an about face in a direction that just got soundly rejected is very puzzling. John its very puzzling, indeed, unless hes trying to run hard to the right before the etchasketch moment. He says that history will be kind to his brother. Its a long list bailouts. Does he mean history written by republicans . Are voters memories really that short . I cant see how they are given the fact that the war that has brother started is still going on and were likely to have troops in afghanistan beyond 2014, and we still certainly have some presence in iraq even today after the warthe declaration of hostilities is over. I cant see history being kind to george w. Bush, unless they dont call him what many have called him as the worst president of modern times. But on the other side of the ledger he did do important work, global aid that was good. Like it or not the bailout was something that had to be done, and would not have had to have been done if it wasnt for decisions made by previous administrations. There could be some things good things are said about george w. Bush but the list is not long. John i got to defend president bush and say i wouldnt call it as a war that he started alqaeda and taliban started that one. Now ive been kind to george bush. Were fair and biased. Thank you very much. A pleasure to have you. Afghan president karzai says theyre conspiring to stay in afghanistan to stay in afghanistan. He should be so lucky. Somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. But we do care about them, right . Vo the war room monday to thursday at 6 eastern [ male announcer ] the next wave of italians has come to america, and the fiat 500 with beats audio is rockin the block. The italian designed fiat 500. John time for our thing of the day, and tonight its our poetic justice of the day. It only took a hundred years or so, but the plantation where Harriet Tubman worked as a slave is now becoming a state park. The Harriet Tubman underground Railroad State Park and visitor center. Broke ground saturday in cambridge, married. As for the slave owner who own the land where the park is going up hes best forgotten. Afghan president karzai canceled a president conference and blasts the United States policies saying the United States was working with the taliban to stabilize the country to have a presence longer than the agreed upon 2014 exit date. He went so far as to claim two attacks that kill two americans as well as a number of a began soldiers served americas purposes, saying yesterdays bombings in kabul and khost didnt aim to show talibans strength, indeed they served america. These bombings aim to prolong the presence of American Forces in afghanistan. Here to tell us what this means for American Relations is joel ruben. Welcome to viewpoint. Great to be here. John great to have you. What is going on with our friend mr. Karzai. He claims the u. S. Wants to stay in the country past 2014 have any merit at all . Thethe claims dont have any merit. We plan to leave by 2014. The United States is in the midst of negotiating a drawdown agreement with afghanistan withdrawing troops. The International Community is finding ways to funnel supplies and resources and money to this government, but to change the nature of its relationship. Its clear that secretary hagel said karzai may be feeling the pressure, and certainly in this visit it appears that hes trying to launch a tactical maneuver to get more concessions or get more of a different deal out of the United States. This is tactics but its not going to change the american strategy there. John i think youre right. You mentioned what secretary hagel said. His exact response was quote i know these are difficult issues for president karzai and the afghan people. I was once a politician, so i can understand the kind of pressures especially leaders of countries are always under. Is chuck hagel saying more or less, dont worry the guy is lying . What secretary hagel is saying there is a fuller picture and this is just one particular episode. It was horrible that there was a bombing during hagels visit and killing of soldiers again today, this underscores the policy of withdrawing from afghanistan is the right policy. But the key challenge is how to do so in an american manner that maintains security and maintain the stability in afghanistan after the u. S. Leaves. Thats where hagel is heading in driving this policy. John i want to go back to karzais statement because it seems we have to figure out what hes trying to accomplish by making this statement saying america is in cahoots with the taliban. Is he trying to go with some big antiamerica