One month off to the parents, death of the law going to need or you have any promotion we offer is and how the groups operations have changed. And the Central African republic also on the show is done kind of cater test into protects the realm of mine and spirits the african superheroes you need to know about. We will hear the stories from they created the hello. Im christine. When do i . Its good to have your company. Also, story begins in the north african countries and is the way well foresees, have intensified and operations into safe migrants. Were planning to reach here by crossing the mediterranean sea. But as soon as it national god saves it as a risk of smugglers and stop in 2000 and the deep and it is coastal cities, most step and health back in the city of the specs to this, it has become a key launching pad and the crack down comes off to a Record Number of crossings to your ive just returned from a reporting trip in its in a way of the migrants are driving. I spoke to some of them and saw for myself what the situation on the ground has been. I will be talking so migration policy expressed off to this report that i filed from lump to do so. Hello from the italian island of lump a do. So were in the middle of the mediterranean and north africa. Its just 300. 00 columbus is a way. And that is the reason why this is the 1st entry points for many migraines seeking to reach your up. In fact, that monument over there is called the door to europe, while migrants frequency pause through land produce so forward to use here were forced to declare a state of emergency. When thousands of people arrived on the island in just 24 hours. The migrants are coming from tennessee and they are arriving in small boats. Select the ones you see behind me made out of iron. And if you look of a day, youll see a group of people that have just landed on the island. Some of the migrants that ive spoken to have told me that theyve spent up to 2 days, etc. And theyve paid between 5800. 00 heroes for the trip. Its handled ortiz believe the reason for the influx is that bad weather conditions, the seas will rest and that had created a backlog incentives. And as soon as the weather improves, smugglers st. Quotes out into the c 5 hundreds. This behind me is the only Migrant Reception Center on the island. It is built to accommodate 400. 00 people. But at the peak of the arrivals, there were about 7000 people behind this fence. Most of the migrants all from sub for an african countries. Ive made people from nigeria scenario that can be a guinea, ivory coast, kind of rude. Theyre mostly young men, but they awesome women and children suit to spend more than see this is what say say it was, i wish i totally via to this. Im go to a better place because i still felt it looked, envision a had to somebody of find me, you have to walk, you know . Yeah. So do you want to make off . Im really proud when to make everything easier for them, for creating editors and all you was just this idea. Oh yeah, im a products are they are. These are hard for them. While there are some refugees, most of the people who has arrived sales coming from countries that all considered safe, so they dont qualify for asylum. European government wants to make sure that those on to, to get asylum. Ill send back to the countries that theyve come from as soon as possible. At least that is what the chief of the European Union said when she visited here. Those who cannot qualify for silent sign them cannot stay in the European Union. We will reach out to the countries of origin. To facilitate this process, we will decide who comes to the European Union and under what circumstances we must step up our efforts to fight the smugness. We have to join forces with the countries of origin and the countries of transit to crack down on this brutal business. But that personal business is thriving on denmark, poverty and insecurity on the rise in many parts of africa, rubbing people off prospects, and leading them to seek security and green, a policies in europe. And im now joined by o t along i needs a from the institute job Security Studies c, as in boy and analysts. The portfolio covers International Human rights, little as well as the patient trends and policy. Welcome to date of the news, africa, or any of were seeing more and more people leave africa to reach your by crossing them. Its raining, you money. So migration, trends on the content. What have you observed about the volumes in which people are leaving and the faxes that are pushing them to do so. Its now just as europe is finishing its Summer Season into, into autumn, we are seeing an increase in the number of people that are attempting to cross from africa to europe. You regularly. Theres a number of reasons why people are on the move. Most of them coming from countries out of west africa across the somehow into the horn. And the primary motivation is really all the things that are pushing them out include a conflict Climate Impact or challenges in terms of governance. But moving towards europe in the hope perhaps to get a better life. But one of the main reasons that we find more and more peoples opportune for the regular channels is that the regular legal channels to get to your are increasing the increasing the restrictive. So more and more people still wanting to move to your find themselves opting for very dangerous routes, right . As we have seen in recent days. But im sure as well continue to see throughout the cost of fulton. Right. And i do want to pick up on that point in a short moment, but i want to begin by asking you about your strategy, which appears to be sensitive on stopping the flow of people. And that involves agreements with countries. Action is yet way we will see the European Union pay. Hundreds of millions of yours sits and is here in exchange for this and is in Government Holding people back incident as a you have been critical of that agreement. In particular. Can you tell us why . Says its a cost be strategy and its not a new strategy so which countries are now being involved . For example, in the african continent, the recent deals with 2. 00 lives, yet that may be part of the difference. But these are, this is a strategy rhonda that the European Union has been trying to get results from since at the very least 2014. So its over 9 years of the strategy to push back you regular migration. But what we know is that this is not actually reduce the numbers, but it just only made people take more dangerous routes of say, i was recently in languages and some of the migraines that i met. You told me that its, its almost impossible to get a visa to come to europe and to the point that you were making. 10, europe will perhaps, how can you do best in the way of offering more legal pathways for people to migrate . This is inevitable. People wants to move, it is a and i think youve used to hit the nail right on the head, but people not really wants to move, but the people will move regardless of the restrictions. The question is, which pos, ways they will use based on what is available at the moment, not only is in a financial cost, but its the, the, the, the, the scope of the requirements to get a visa. And im thinking just about a visitors visa into europe, but perhaps most of the work to study, i to stay is extremely, extremely high. This is not to say the people that are all crossing you regularly on not spending hundreds of dollars in order to do so. But then they have the assurance, so to speak, that they may reach the shores of your where is through the visa process using the to easier deal as an example. One of the trade drops, so to speak, was located just over a 1000 visas. I mean, really, um to, to this end, but what we know is in a, yeah, out of north africa to new via has the highest number of people that seek to migrate towards your so to get about 40000 applicants. So 1300 a visa is being provided and we over 40000 want to move mean that the remaining, uh, 39000 or so people will look at the channels. And unfortunately, that channel as we see, not need those that actually make it across. But the many people that have lost their lives on that journey, the people will still wants to move at what cost. Right now its a human cost, not just a financial cost to say that when you listen to some governments in europe as they they, they, they say that the migration flows from africa are a challenge. They refer to this as a crisis. In fact, some of the visuals in the governments and easily hold the recent arrivals on the island of them, a lot produced, the war and europe. That kind of language is, it exaggerates, its considering the actual numbers of migration from africa to europe. And the fact that for the most part, migrates in africa, im more likely to migrate within the continent. Then they are to leave the content. It is so the 18 percent of people from africa migrate with in the african continent. Choosing countries that are closest to them, so neighboring countries, the remaining percentage go elsewhere in the world of which europe is only one of those destinations. So when i hear some of the rich trick but seems to suggest um whether its language around waves of move, mental or on, on europe. Um a lot of it is changing the fact that these are people coming from africa. They are more people that are moving from eastern europe, for example, towards a year. Its been out of the african continent there, increasing the more people that are coming out of the middle eastern, further in asia towards um, towards europe and africa. And so the question is, why is it only a crisis when its africans losing . And weve touched on some of the reasons punches because of course, the barriers to entry legally. They put it in that way. The 2nd is perhaps the lack of interest fiction on the project here. And that is part of the current deals that are being negotiated, but not at the level that it could be. Which is that youre, it is an agent confident in need. Incidentally, off a lot of workers, whether its on funds or whether its in other industries, and it is simply not growing at the rate that would allow for rich to have that made the force. So perhaps what needs to be happening is the present magic conversation between europe and africa, but looks at what all the needs of both continents, but also an honest reflection that looks at what all the drivers pushing people out. That requires accountability also on the african end, but also on your side as well. That actually reaches a better agreement, like i said, putting hundreds of many, even billions of euro and throwing it, and what is perceived as the problem. And not addressing some of the key drivers as to why people are moving in to 3, maybe even 10 years time. We will be having the same conversation about this issue. But if its not addressed properly, it may then be the prices and at prices that is either a reversible or to the amount that needs a from the institute of Security Studies. We really appreciate your insights on the program today. Thank you. Thank you very much. Youre watching data, the news africas still to come. The characters on display at west africa has largest comic art exhibition. But 1st its been one month since the russian mercenary needs that youve given you. Per goshen was reportedly killed in a plane crash in russia days before his death provision had been in the Central African republic where hes fog. No group is in charge of president forcing options for their as security. But since per goes in staff, there is division in the country over 5 and his presence dw is, is the quote to try it. How many reports from monkey play . So i do have never met . No, see. Yep. Guinea pig, eugene. Yet hes a pro maxima supporter, im a strong believer in the groups. The presence here in the Central African republic di trays all of his friends. I think tribute to particular gene a be some documents that do in the heart of the copy to the one to show their respects to the head of the butler group. Up that he gets an inexplicable plane crash and rushing off on the 23rd of august under the if i miss you, we are or like can measure the greatness or the added value of what the wagners have brought to the Central African republic. In previous years, we have had peacekeeping missions, the emissions that were sensitive a Central African republic to secure our borders. But what did this achieve in terms of results . Yeah. What have we seen make . What did we know now . We have only known repeated cruise level. We must support russia so that we can never again speak of such a rebellion in the Central African republic. Grandma women sisters them in and well probably do that because we dont use the Central African republic has been in the midst of cities of cd was c is 2003 which left 3 quarters of the 33 on the Remote Control as the as the mid 1000, in fact im, i see nobodys especially in the Central African republic. First came to the country in 2018 to help the government of president for the raw defeat riddle force east on for you in a security vacuum left by funds up. But we do, its military forces from the country in 2016. A lot of people in the Central African republic think the rack know group together. We did one down troops have done more to quail. The countries many rebellions done to fringe and the u. N. Forces combined, while photo observe us accused the russian problem industry of committing atrocities. The majority of the cdns here, i think the success ease uh was the price your but while the back to that group has many support us in the country, it also has its openings. The Central African republic opens the trying to lead to how much come home was a former Prime Minister in president company and some up on the us. The Transitional Government is currently lead of the be a freak out. The quick opposition party, meaning the Central African republic for school. He sees the missing. Nobodys dont belong in the Central African republic also in law. Uh, san grove. Canada only is it a group which does not come to help to develop and Foster Police in africa. Lucky this group is made up of people who came for self interest and benefits. And this was whether its the charter of the African Union or the charter of the United Nations would be activity of the band. They have come for the wrong cause and the wrong reason. Keep on it today. Central africans are paying the price for their negative presence. Since the voc doesnt came in here on the dement exploring our timber, our minds, trade, etc. And for matthew, have created unfair competition in terms of security. A country like c a r should instead rely on credible partners with beginnings debts. The question on many minds is whether the butler group will continue to operate on if the Central African republic, but this time on the claim, legal authority. And if so, what will happen to the country from russia . We drove the soldiers due to the pressure of the war in ukraine, and to talk more about this wave advice of John National and to the program. He is a journalist and researcher who has worked in the Central African republic. Hes kind of erasing a book on dividing the group. Its due for publication next to welcome to data being use africa. Its been almost a month since the head of the valve in a group. Youll see any progression died. How has that impacted volume is work in the Central African republic . From thanks for having me. I think the short answer is it doesnt seem like there has been, there has been much of a visible impact on foreigners operations in the Central African republic. We saw the referendum go through uh, pretty much without a hitch in terms of any opposition from the army. Various arent groups we. We continue to see a wagner presence, especially in the capital as well. And some of the more prominent representatives of faulkner who, who were major figures under you can produce and continue to be in car and been in the as well. And so weve honestly just not seen any, any significant type of personnel changes or, or any real change to the status quad. Me and john, we know that brushes priority right now is the goal in ukraine. What does this mean for its presence in africa . Through the private ministrys lights evolved in a group tour . I think i or i think africa obviously is not going to be a priority like ukraine for it, for the kremlin. Certainly not any time soon. But at the same time, especially following versus full scale invasion of ukraine last year, i think the narrative that that moscow is not geo politically isolated in the narrative that russia is a layer in this new wave of the colonization has become increasingly important. And so to the extent to which russia and uh can, ill pull that narrative, especially in africa. It is important right now to a lot of folks and the grammar its, its been suggested that the valves in a group could be a model for future Russian Foreign policy in africa. What are your thoughts on that . I think wagner has played such an interesting role in the sense that we have, we have to think about russia and the way that russia is governed in a lot of respects, like other countries, things, there are competing individuals and institutions who have either owned Foreign Policy priorities and specifically to russia, we see that theres often not a lot of guidance from the center from blood ever putting himself in his gifts. Sort of outsized freedom to specific individuals to go out and pursue for policies that but they can frame as kind of a whole day or, or, or further and brushes interest, but also projects that are profitable to their own. Uh, bottom line, are you have any big ocean involvement or what were at the forefro