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And with journalist necessary ferguson facing tear gas and attack theres tear gas just dropped right near us. Its going to get very bad here if we dont have masks. Theyre throwing it back. Did all those tv cameras exacerbate the coverage . President obama dumps chuck hagel at pentagon chief while his aids anonymously trash the guy in the press. Plus, fun talking about sexism with the ladies of outnumbered. In our line of work, we feel like we are criticized more as females in the business than the men are, especially with the way we work and dress. I wore that two days in a row on twitter. Im like, really . Im howard kurtz and this is media buzz. It was an extraordinary split screen spectacle, president obama appealing for calm and right alongside his image the interruptions of violence in ferguson. I think the media is going to have a responsibility, as well. There is inevitably going to make some negative reaction and it will make for tv. Good tv. As fires raged and stores were looted, correspondents face danger and a camera was broken. Prosecutors recited the grand jury evidence, we learned some cited in those media counts changed their story or admitted they hadnt even seen the shooting. Some pundits, while urging caution, went too tar. He got closes, he fired one more shot. That shot struck my friend in the bike. Michaels body was hit, he turns around, faces the officer and puts his hand up and the officer continues to shoot him until he goes down to the ground. To be clear, we need to hear from all the witnesses, but these two witnesses describe what seems to me to be a coldblooded murder. Finally, for the first time, we heard from the Police Officer at the center of the storm, Darren Wilson who resigned from the force this weekend sat down with Abcs George Stephanopoulos. Joining us now to examine how the media covered this racially charged case and the violent aftermath, david web who hosts a sirius xm radio show, david zurich from the Baltimore Sun and maura robinson. What was it like, david, being on the ferguson streets night after night and did you have much contact with the people engaging in some of the violence . I had a lot of contact, howard. I was there in august. I spoke with writers. I also was in the middle of a scrum in the middle of the looting, in the middle of the tear gas, all of this in ferguson. I was right there next to the police station. Bottles flying overhead, we heard the initial gunshots, the looting began further down south. And a lot of this spurred on by a lot of the lie that began with hands up, dont shoot. Was it scary to be there, not just with tear gas going off, was it scary . I wouldnt say scary. We were cautious. We had security with us. I was wearing a bullet proof vest. You do what you can, but our job is there to report the story. I talked to people of all kinds, angry protesters, concerned protesters who had lived there for years, young people, some of whom confronted me, whether they dont like fox or do, they recognized me. What got worse is that eventually when people start looting or moving, that means everything is a target, including people running through the crowds with dogs, with pit bulls. How did the Cable Networks do on that night, especially in the violent aftermath of the announcement . Howie, theres a lot of particular problems and criticisms i think i have. But the one thing that is absolutely important, cable news was there to bear witness to it. I would pay anything for that split screen that you showed to see what was going on. Cable news was the operation that dug in, brought us that story. When the networks really didnt pay sort of came in and out, didnt pay much attention to it. Thats good. I did have some problem, i had people, i had problems with cnn, for example, having a political commentator. Van jones, out on the street with reporters. I thought in a situation like this, you need journalists. Thats what you need. You need your best journalists, your most experienced journalists because its hard enough to get verified information in a normal setting. This might not be the last summer, but its scary. Youre out there, you have no time to react. They have to process information. What we in the public needed was real information. Not one side of the other, not somebody saying in is just a small group of knuckle heads. It wasnt. We know that. The prosecutor said the biggest problem was the nonstop Media Coverage and social media. Did he have a point . It probably was a problem for him, but that was what weve got today. We have nonstop coverage and we have social media. I thought that was a little gratuitous. Thats not his biggest problem. He was supposed to be finding the facts and presentsing it to a grand jury. He did something pretty unusual. He didnt make a recommendation to the grand jury as most prosecutorses do. So i think for him to blame his problems on the media i think is unfair. Now, lets go back to the early media narrative, which was basically all about Michael Brown as the innocent victim over rogue cop. We learned a lot more since then. But did journalists, looking back now with the benefit of hindsight, rush to judgment . Yes, they did. Without a doubt, they did. They started from the initial gentle giant approach, then, of course, hands up, dont shoot which i said was a lie cooked up by dorian johnson, who was his accomplice. Now you have a narrative they can drive. The family contributed to this in part, at least their lawyers did because they brought in shawn parcel, a medical investigator who turns out to be a fraud who was on many of the networks usual approximating this narrative of being shot in the back and then, of course, that got refuted. So the media played into this because it fit their narrative. Msnbc did a horrible job. Cnn did not do a great job. Fox, to our credit, did a much more fair job of presenting the fact, and were attacked for demanding the due process play out. There has been conflicting testimony now that we see. There was also forensic evidence he was not shot in the back. But was he charging the officer, was he not . But the problem in those early weeks and i talked about this at the time, is that Darren Wilson wasnt telling his side. Neither was the Ferguson Police department. So the people the media had access to were Michael Browns family, his allies, and people sympathetic to him, but that did create or foster a onesided view. And is that the medias fault or the fact that those people chose not to tell their side of the story . We know now he was not shot in the back, but when you read that grand jury testimony, its ambivale ambivalent. Did he have to be shot in the head . Could he have been shot is in the legs . Could he have been told lie down on the ground . There are a lot of things that are still questioned. And that, i think, means this is an ongoing story that deserves a lot of attention, not just the circumstances of his death, Michael Browns death, but also all of the other things that contribute to this. You know, why are Police Forces in black communities mostly white . I mean, theres a lot of things that can be discussed in a serious, sober way going forward. And i agree with maura. We need to have those discussions, but the discussions there has been some good reporting and broader questions. But let me come to you today, david, and that is we didnt know until late in the process that there had been an altercation in the police car, that shots had been fired. It completely changed our understanding of what happened in the run up to that shooting. So where are you on the question of whether the media were too quick to embrace a onesided narrative, even though we all knew, as journalists, that there was a lot that we had not found out during those early weeks . Listen, i think the journalists job in a situation like that is to not buy into a narrative. It makes it easier, especially for cable news coverage, which is rolling and you sort of need a narrative to process the information. But on Something Like that, howie, you have to get back to this notion of here is what we know to be true and dont go beyond what you know to be true. It happened in the criminal Justice System to some extent, but it mostly happened in the journalistics. Howie, people dont even know any more what journalism is, what a tough process and how much training it takes to process this information and to stop yourself from saying stuff that you dont know to be true, because it sounds good. And the other layer here, obviously, david web, is that the Media Coverage, which was divided in my view to some degree also fueled by an obvious racial divide over ferguson, to pick one poll, 64 of blacks say officer wilson was at fault, 22 of whites. Do you agree that the media deepened the racial tension here . Yeah, i do believe they did. Ill go to some of what david said. We have a job to report. I dont have a dog in this hunt when i go down there to cover the story. But media took what was a criminal event, and because of the white officer and the black youth turned it into a racial divide. This didnt start out in any manner that we now know from the grand jury testimony, from the witnesses, based on color. Started out based on a bolo alert of someone who had robbed the store and an officer who happened to be white observed that or observed Michael Brown, saw them and thought, let me question this person who is walking down the middle of the street. Do the media, as so often in these cases, make a local crime and make it a National Story and exploit it for ratings . Sure, sure. But these are becoming a National Story because every one of these is different. But when you have a series of unarmed black teenagers being killed by white Police Officers, regardless of the dinnerses of their circumstances, it is a National Story and it deserves attention, proeb proper attention. Let me briefly put up some New York Times video that everybody used as Michael Browns stepfather in what could only be described as a rant. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. Should that have been shown . You know, i thought when i was reviewing that evening, i didnt know about the facts. But i thought the cable channels werent showing that because they thought it was so inflammatory and they were holding it back. I saw it everywhere the next day. But you know what . David explained to me how that started and he was standing nearby and the crews couldnt get in there right away to film it. Thats what it was. Let me get a break. We want to know what you think about this. Go on to twitter. Send me a tweet. Either now or after the show. I read all of them. Ahead, nbz reports on the latest person to turn on bill cosby, the guy who says he gave women money. When we come back, president obama praises chuck hagel while his aids trash the defense secretary, anonymously, of course. Heartburn. Did someone say burn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. 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Why do journalists publish these disparaging comments when the officials wont put their names to it . I think thats a really good point. I think if you want to say those things, you ought to be man enough to attach your name to them. The situation with chuck hagel was complex. Was he the wrong man for the job the whole time or did the job change and he became the wrong man for the job . He was hired to down sooiz the military, sequestration, budget cuts, get us out of iraq, out of afghanistan. All of a sudden, were fighting war necessary all these places against all these other people and that wasnt what he was hired to do. Theyve been doing all along in d. C. As we all know. We are the enablers. We are the enablers in that extent. But what chuck hagel didnt do, the media fed on this, is he didnt keep the messaging clear between the president and the generals. And you had contradictory statements, conflicting statements over isis. The media has been feeding that all along for close to a year. Now its a feeding frenzy because hes the next guy on the apple. Then you have the pentagon officials saying chuck hagel was frustrated with oh bam in. What did you make of that . And you also have john mccain on the record to his credit says he was frustrated because the mission wasnt clear. We know chuck hagel wrote a memo about the mission in syria not being cheer. I think what we do know finally is he did not resign. They might have come to a he had no choice. Yes. Now, its not like he was saying oh, please, please, please, let me stay. I think there are a number of conversations with president obama. They were actually friends. They were both antiwar senators on the Foreign Relations committee when they were in a half a minute. So do you know anything about the way hagels side was playing the league game, as well . They were playing the league game. This is what happens when you have a secretary of defense that according to the people i talked to doesnt have the general of the pentagon because of the micromanagement, because of the conflicts of the president dealing with isis or all the other issues facing us. One amazing thing about this whole story is it didnt leak in advance, which almost never happens in washington. Thank you very much for joining us. Up next, bill hemmer weighs in over how much to air and what to air about ferguson. Later, look at sexism and politics in the media with the numbers. Ah, push it. Push it. P. Push it real good ow oooh baby baby. Baby baby. If youre saltnpepa, you tell people to push it. Push it real good. Its what you do. Ah. Push it. If you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Its what you do. Ah. Push it. Im pushing. Im pushing it real good toasty or frosty . Exactly the way you want it. 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I felt that what the president had to say, i guess, was on monday night now about the media and the responsibility the media was very well taken. It was my sense, in the ten days leading up to the grand jury decision, you had networks from all over the world who had already gone to ferguson waiting for something to happen. And promoting it constantly on the air. And count the number of live shots you saw from an empty parking lot. And, listen, its our duty and responsibility to understand the power that we have. Just by showing up. If were a driving force for that story, we have to be extra careful. The counterargument is how can you not be there . Something could happen. But it was kind of promoted almost as a show. Decision imminent, were here, something could happen. Im not saying they should not have been there. What i am arguing is that i thought we were judicious in the number of reports that we used and how we used them. I was watching last friday afternoon one other cable network. And it was two hours of uninterrupted coverage from ferguson, missouri. Nothing had happened. And if you the media show . Which network were you watching . I was watching cnn. And it was nearly wall to wall. If you go back and look at some of the images from late august when it all started, howie, there are pictures that you can still find online of the protests where it was 50 50. It was 50 protesters and 50 photographers and reporters. And i think you really have to understand the context based on the number of media personnel who flew into ferguson over the last three months and how they ranked and stacked up compared to the number of protesters. Its very important. Go back to the earlier period after the shooting of Michael Brown. Eyewitnesss or people who claim to be eyewitnesss who were popping up saying he was shot in the back, he had his hands up. We now know that those accounts, most of them are discredibilitied. Based on the grand jury testimony, right. Were you and the producers reluctant to put some of that on if it had not been confirmed by fox news . Very difficult, one but try to exercise with a lot of caution and discretion. And i think we did a pretty good job of that overall. You know, in hindsight, you look at that and think, wow, should you have done that . Thats a difficult line to walk. But now you have the grand jury testimony and the public can make up their own line. Were you concerned that there was a onesided narrative that was emerging, that Michael Brown was a victim, before we knew about the altercation in the car, before we knew a lot of things, and we werent hearing at all from Darren Wilsons side. I think unfortunately thats just reality and it happens that way. Its not just in missouri. Its on multiple stories that weve seen over the years. Puts journalist necessary a difficult position. I agree. But it comes backs to the point i made about the president the other night is that we have a huge responsibility, especially when it comes to the tender subject of race in america. Race in america in a way that can lead to violence in america as we unfortunately have seen. Youre from ohio. You live in new york. Youre not experiencing all the beltway dysfunction here all the time and you certainly report on it. I feel like its the Bermuda Triangle down here sometimes. I cant figure out how to get out of it. Its showdown and red rick and not a lot getting done in this capital city. But do you think people are less interested in politics these days foor that reason . Does that affect how much you cover . Its a great question. Im not so sure i know the exact answer on that. I dont think people are less interested in politics. I think if you want to reflect on the turnout for the past midterm, it was like most other Midterm Elections. We were awash in it because of the control of congress that was in the balance. But you have to think, howie, in august there were 16 races that were considered competitive in the senate. By october, that went down to 10 or 12. And thats where all the money was spent, all the attention was given. It was those people in those states that were that were they were getting the attention. And the rest of the country just had a regular, if i could use that word, regular, Midterm Election that weve seen for decades now. I thought it was a fascina fascinating election. I think in North Carolina unless youre living in the battleground state or Battle Ground district. Thats right. Bill, thank you so much for being here. Great to be here. You bet. Up next, some of bill cosbys media enablers say theyre sorry for not calling him out. This tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. 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Heather chilleders and i would be back with more at the top of the hour. Now back to media buzz and howard kurtz. Be back with more the hour. Now back to media buzz and howard kurtz. Bill cosbys stocks going lower this week. Colleges cutting their ties to him and a former nbc employee telling the today show and saying he sent thousands of dollars to his pals. There were apologies from some journalists who have written about cosby. Joining us now, joe concha and bill web. David karr in his New York Times column recalls interviewing cosby for the Airline Magazine hemispheres not asking him about the allegations. He said my job was to tell the truth about the guy. I should not have let him bralths on about his new book. Kudos to david karr. He was under no pressure whatsoever to write the column dedicated 2,000 words to the top of basically saying im wrong, i should have addressed this sooner. It wasnt done in a tweet under 140 characters, it wasnt a throw away line in some other column. David karr said he was wrong and he was under no duress to do so. He called out fellow writers, as well, such as Mark Whitacre saying, hey, youre in the same book as me. You should have covered this. I agree with you that karr called him out, no one was asking him to do it. Mark whitacre who wrote this bioof cosby and basically say away from sexual allegations tweeted, i was the wrong to not dealing with the Sexual Assault charges against cosby. Were these and other people cosbys media enablers . Whether they did it deliberately, of course, americas favorite dad, people saw cliff huxtable, not bill cosby. But media has a job to report the stories. Whether its good or bad. Thats something we need to have back in journalism. We have too many people who will ignore a part of a story thats uncomfortable. I say do the work, dig in and get it out there. Its disheartening to me, but lets call it what it is. Report the story. They should have earlier. It has essentially been part of the power of the press in cosbys career. I think in public opinion, now with 20 women coming about, were seeing his legacy taken away one by one. Tv land pulling cosby show repeats, nbc pulling its contract for a new show. Its like what we saw with joe paterno at the end where they took down statues, by omission, cosby all go away. Let me jump in because theyll be getting lots of emails from people who say the media have unfairly convicted cosby on the basis of old and unproven allegations. They should tell the story if there are civil suits, which is likely where we are now. Well see that play out in court. But we cant ignore the statements made by the women been i say dont run with hyperbo hyperbole, but deal with that. Finally, cosby now is offering refunds to his shows, including in new york december 6th, something they werent doing before. So i think theyre getting the idea and i think hes going quiet on this. Before we go, matt lauer sitting down in an interview that will air tomorrow with ray rice, the previously suspended guy who everybody has seen the elevator video and janay rice, his wife. Let me show you some of that and i have a question for joe on the other side. I cant imagine that you were that calm when you started to realize exactly what happened in that elevator. Can you describe those emotions . I was furious. Of course in the back of my mind and in my heart, i knew that our relationship wouldnt be over. Because i know that this isnt us and its not him. Well, thats a real interview, but espn, as you know, joe, publishes a first person piece based on a, quote, interview with janay rice in which she has total editorial control including the timing. What do you make of that . I wrote about this yesterday, howie. Ron writing for the National Journal sums it up perfectly. He says, if this is true, espn needs to change its name to espr, as in public relations. What we saw here was the subject that now is the editor and publisher of her own interview. Its a whole bowl of wrong, quite frankly. Well said. I understand there was an assisted opassist assisted oped. But why is it a editors job to help her with that . Joe cconcha, thank you. Stick around. Up next, how al sharptons activism is playing. And later, Time Magazine backing off after criticizing the word feminism. Is a really big deal. U with aches, fever and chills theres no such thing as a little flu. So why treat it like its a little cold . Theres something that works differently than overthecounter remedies. Prescription tamiflu attacks the flu virus at its source. So call your doctor right away. Tamiflu treats the flu in people 2 weeks and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. Before taking tamiflu tell your doctor if youre pregnant, nursing, have Serious Health conditions, or take other medicines. 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I thought we got some answers there weve never gotten before. And i thought the reaction showed that both sides, you can see george being attacked either way. I think he asked all the right questions. Where i take issue is where we saw a little bid more of this on night line. Because of november sweeps, perhaps, and dancing with the stars as a juggernaut, it didnt get that. I thought this was a big enough story that it deserved to be played in prime time. Right. We never really heard Darren Wilsons voice. I think it was interesting in the clip that you showed, Morning Television has made him better at getting sort of at emotions and that question he asked was the really revealing one. I thought when wilson said no, i have nothing, that that was surprising to me. I thought you couldnt go through that kind of fire without having some. So that was good. And he asked it. It was a morning tv question but it worked. I hadnt thought of him as being a great interviewer. Joe, let me ask you, you wrote about the New York Times and a piece about Darren Wilson getting married publishes the street that he lives on with his new wife in a small town outside ferguson. Why . Look, regardless, howie, of whether you think Darren Wilson is guilty or innocence, how could anyone not think that this was incredibly reckless. This was the type of action you see out of a blog that works out of a basement, not the premier print publation in the country that has 114 pollsters to its credit. Here is the worst part, howie. By checking my ugly yellow phone two minutes before this segment, that story with the address is still up on their site. Hes a professional anarchist at work and they only listed the street, not the actual number. Who is to say they wont burn down the whole block to play it safe . It was completely reckless and the New York Times needs to take down that story now. Yeah. I dont understand why the times did it because there was no upside. There was nothing to be gained. It was a feature story. The throw away line, almost, but i think put his life potentially in danger but i hope not. I dont understand why the times still does not see that. Coming back to the coverage, al sharpton is in ferguson today. Obviously, hes played this dual role, denouncing the grand jurys decision as an activist and covering the commenting on the story on msnbc, hosting his own show. Is this helping nsnbc . I think its deplorable that msnbc does this. But i have been saying that since august. And last year with trayvon martin. Yes. But you know what . Msnbc had terrible, had the smallest audience. Fox and cnn had audiences of over 5 million on prime time monday night during that coverage. Msnbc had 1. 6 million. They had a fourth of the audience with that. And i think its directly attributable in part to al sharptons activism. The audience told him we dont want this. On a story this volatile, this important to american life, give us some reporting. I hoped, i hoped that gets msnbc sobers them up enough to say, okay, lets stop this because theyre not going to do it for righteous reasons. Thats clear enough. Right. So hell playing this role and hes not putting up the numbers. Its the only thing that joe and david, thank you for stopping by. Ahead on media buzz is there a double standard for female politicians and journalists . Its four on one on the set about numbers. Shes still the one for you. And cialis for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moment is right. Cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. 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Ive never felt so alive. Get the future of phone and the phones are free. Comcast business. Built for business. Sexism, feminism, these are terms that get toss around the media. That seemed a good jumping off point when i went to new york and sat down with the laes of outnumbered. 0u9 outnumbered today here on the set of outnumbered. I get to be the guy you all youre one lucky guy. I feel so lucky. So let me throw this out. Make my job easy. Think about the use of the word sexism. Nancy pelosi says its sexist to ask whether she should step down after the democrats take a drubbing. Does that word get thrown around too much . Yes, absolutely. And the same way, if you throw around sexism or racism or whatever the word may be, it loses the meaning for cases where legitimate sexism exist. There is a sexism in our culture, in our media culture and our society. So its not as though it doesnt exist. Yeah, but if you hear it on and on and on, when theres a real instance, its like, oh, its her. These are two women who i think when they say things like that b with they dont believe it for one second themselves. Howie, i take a different approach to it. I feel like in our line of work, we are criticized more than men are, especially for the way we work and dress. You never hear anyone comment on a mans suit. You have that News Reporter that wore that same suit for a year. If a woman did that i wore a pair of shoes two days in a row and someone commented on it on twitter. Im like, really . Get over it. By the way, you look very nice. Thank you. Youre welcome. I kind of agree with that. I think its always more important to put in your head more than you put on your head. So it would be nice as women if we were maybe recognized for that more often than i think we are partnership certainly get that a lot. So its an interesting contradiction here. Some people are saying politicians use sexism, some of of insulating themselves from criticism. Your hair is off one day, you get the tweets, you get the emails. That feels a little bit sexist. I think where its competitively expedient, people use those isms. Obviously, nancy pelosi did not really, really want to talk about whether she would be the heir apparent to be the minority leader in the new house second time in a row. So she deflected. Because the reporter was a woman asking the question. Nancy who didnt mention gender. Right. Shes been doing this a long time. If she says a certain thing, thats the only clip that networks are going to run. Will we see some of this in the Hillary Campaign . You think shes running . Do you know something we dont know . Oh, absolutely. All politicians are criticized. Everyone likes to focus one a woman is criticized. Chris christie, how many times has he been criticized over his weight. Generally speaking, i think, yes, but a lot of those women overcome it. The story is that women can do it in spite of. Make it hard for me, im going to do it anyway. You cant right every wrong in the rule book. If we sat up here and complained, we wouldnt be focusing on our jobs. At some point, it is what it is. You probably talked about this. Time magazine comes out with this list of words to ban. Include feminism. Big uproar. We missed the nuance. Is feminism is word that gets twisted. Theres so much political correctness, what is going to be left to say. Its using your high heels to walk on egg shells. Really. And who are these people who get to decide this for us . I love that story because they came back and said, you know what, we didnt think this through. Even though our viewers and readers voted for this word, were getting so much backlash about it. Lets do this all over again. It was just interesting. They only chose like four or five words and started over again and took that word out. Im not for banning words. Me neither. The five of us are not into banning words. Whats your favorite word to use . Doesnt it tell you what feminism has become . Think of how its been hijacked. The definition most people would agree with, however, if people want to ban it, it just shows the frankensteins have taken over. Its become one of the quivers on the war on women. Its a scary world when you have so many people perpetually offended by everything. Kids grow up thinking its okay to be offended all the time. Dont hurt my feelings. You know how many kids got cents to the officer for saying something to me. How is it that Kim Kardashians naked body gets millions of page views and lots of stories . Are we that easy . Have you seen it . Okay. We the media she does this for a stunt. Yeah, i know. I just want to know, did you see that picture . It was shiny. It was super shiny. I dont know what she used. She did an interview and said she used her own hair product on it. Dont ask me how i know that. You women are not offended by this. You are fascinated. It is fascinating. Sex does sell. My whole twitter feed that whole day, i was tweeting i couldnt look at twitter without seeing a picture of Kim Kardashians butt. Do you remember the beginning of the reality show she was so upset because that one tape made it out. It was public. Then she goes and does this. I said this the other day. We are obsessed with butts. By the way, i dont have a problem with that. I probably have the largest one on the couch. Thank you for your time here on the set of outnumbered. Still to come, your top tweets. And speaking of kim kardashian, how did the New York Times fall for this one . Americans drink 48 billion bottles of water every year. Thats enough plastic bottles to stretch around the earth 230 times. Each brita filter can replace 300 of those. Clean. Clear. Brita water. Nothing is better. Ght, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are ya . Good. Aleve. Proven better on pain. The hollywood website the wrap has apologized for a piece who savaged the women who accused bill cosby of Sexual Assault, calling them aging actresses trying to get tv and book deals. Im sorry, that is pathetic. He said hes sorry for a piece that was mean. Time for tweets. How the media handled ferguson responsibly or not. Oh, please, they consciously rejected the facts and went with a narrative they wanted to be true. The owner and managing editor of the New York Times should have their dresses published just as the times published wilsons. All right. I cant believe im mentioning this a second time. Theres a serious jurn list ik point to be made. They recorded a radio interview with her husband. Quote, i dont understand why ef one is focusing on kims booty. Mine is like the top three of all times. As a times correction noted, there is no such Radio Station and no such interview. They were taken from a daily current. New york times should stick to high bro culture, no butts about it. That is it for this edition of media buzz. Hope youre enjoying your thanksgiving weekend. Check out our facebook page. Go to our home page as well. We are back here next sunday 11 00 and 5 00 eastern with the latest buzz. We start with a fox news alert. In ferguson, missouri, officer Darren Wilson turning in his badge as dozens of protestors have hit the streets. Hello, im eric shawn and welcome to americas news headquarter headquarters. Darren wilsons Resignation Letter released to the media last night. He was waiting until the grand jury made its decision before figuring out his own future. He chose to resign. Were live in ferguson with the latest on this development. Hi, steve. Reporter we saw about 200