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President obama had kinds words for chuck hagel as he announced the defense secretarys resignation. As i read the acts in the New York Times, Washington Post and elsewhere, i read these the white house lost confidence in him, he was never up to the job, he was the wrong man for the job. Why do journalists publish these disparaging comments when the officials wont put their names to it . I think thats a really good point. I think if you want to say those things, you ought to be man enough to attach your name to them. The situation with chuck hagel was complex. Was he the wrong man for the job the whole time or did the job change and he became the wrong man for the job . He was hired to down sooiz the military, sequestration, budget cuts, get us out of iraq, out of afghanistan. All of a sudden, were fighting war necessary all these places against all these other people and that wasnt what he was hired to do. Theyve been doing all along in d. C. As we all know. We are the enablers. We are the enablers in that extent. But what chuck hagel didnt do, the media fed on this, is he didnt keep the messaging clear between the president and the generals. And you had contradictory statements, conflicting statements over isis. The media has been feeding that all along for close to a year. Now its a feeding frenzy because hes the next guy on the apple. Then you have the pentagon officials saying chuck hagel was frustrated with oh bam in. What did you make of that . And you also have john mccain on the record to his credit says he was frustrated because the mission wasnt clear. We know chuck hagel wrote a memo about the mission in syria not being cheer. I think what we do know finally is he did not resign. They might have come to a he had no choice. Yes. Now, its not like he was saying oh, please, please, please, let me stay. I think there are a number of conversations with president obama. They were actually friends. They were both antiwar senators on the Foreign Relations committee when they were in a half a minute. So do you know anything about the way hagels side was playing the league game, as well . They were playing the league game. This is what happens when you have a secretary of defense that according to the people i talked to doesnt have the general of the pentagon because of the micromanagement, because of the conflicts of the president dealing with isis or all the other issues facing us. One amazing thing about this whole story is it didnt leak in advance, which almost never happens in washington. Thank you very much for joining us. Up next, bill hemmer weighs in over how much to air and what to air about ferguson. Later, look at sexism and politics in the media with the numbers. From the moment that ferguson erupted, how did producers decide how to put on the air and what not to put on the air . Bill hammer, welcome. Thank you, howie. Good to be with you here. Much of the early reporting on ferguson turns out to be wrong. How did you decide in the early days and is weeks what to air and what not to air . Its a critical question, and one that came with a lot of sensitivity, frankly, throughout the entire process. I felt that what the president had to say, i guess, was on monday night now about the media and the responsibility the media was very well taken. It was my sense, in the ten days leading up to the grand jury decision, you had networks from all over the world who had already gone to ferguson waiting for something to happen. And promoting it constantly on the air. And count the number of live shots you saw from an empty parking lot. And, listen, its our duty and responsibility to understand the power that we have. Just by showing up. If were a driving force for that story, we have to be extra careful. The counterargument is how can you not be there . Something could happen. But it was kind of promoted almost as a show. Decision imminent, were here, something could happen. Im not saying they should not have been there. What i am arguing is that i thought we were judicious in the number of reports that we used and how we used them. I was watching last friday afternoon one other cable network. And it was two hours of uninterrupted coverage from ferguson, missouri. Nothing had happened. And if you the media show . Which network were you watching . I was watching cnn. And it was nearly wall to wall. If you go back and look at some of the images from late august when it all started, howie, there are pictures that you can still find online of the protests where it was 50 50. It was 50 protesters and 50 photographers and reporters. And i think you really have to understand the context based on the number of media personnel who flew into ferguson over the last three months and how they ranked and stacked up compared to the number of protesters. Its very important. Go back to the earlier period after the shooting of Michael Brown. Eyewitnesss or people who claim to be eyewitnesss who were popping up saying he was shot in the back, he had his hands up. We now know that those accounts, most of them are discredibilitied. Based on the grand jury testimony, right. Were you and the producers reluctant to put some of that on if it had not been confirmed by fox news . Very difficult, one but try to exercise with a lot of caution and discretion. And i think we did a pretty good job of that overall. You know, in hindsight, you look at that and think, wow, should you have done that . Thats a difficult line to walk. But now you have the grand jury testimony and the public can make up their own line. Were you concerned that there was a onesided narrative that was emerging, that Michael Brown was a victim, before we knew about the altercation in the car, before we knew a lot of things, and we werent hearing at all from Darren Wilsons side. I think unfortunately thats just reality and it happens that way. Its not just in missouri. Its on multiple stories that weve seen over the years. Puts journalist necessary a difficult position. I agree. But it comes backs to the point i made about the president the other night is that we have a huge responsibility, especially when it comes to the tender subject of race in america. Race in america in a way that can lead to violence in america as we unfortunately have seen. Youre from ohio. You live in new york. Youre not experiencing all the beltway dysfunction here all the time and you certainly report on it. I feel like its the Bermuda Triangle down here sometimes. I cant figure out how to get out of it. Its showdown and red rick and not a lot getting done in this capital city. But do you think people are less interested in politics these days foor that reason . Does that affect how much you cover . Its a great question. Im not so sure i know the exact answer on that. I dont think people are less interested in politics. I think if you want to reflect on the turnout for the past midterm, it was like most other Midterm Elections. We were awash in it because of the control of congress that was in the balance. But you have to think, howie, in august there were 16 races that were considered competitive in the senate. By october, that went down to 10 or 12. And thats where all the money was spent, all the attention was given. It was those people in those states that were that were they were getting the attention. And the rest of the country just had a regular, if i could use that word, regular, Midterm Election that weve seen for decades now. I thought it was a fascina fascinating election. I think in North Carolina unless youre living in the battleground state or Battle Ground district. Thats right. Bill, thank you so much for being here. Great to be here. You bet. Up nenet, some of bill cosbys media enablers say theyre sorry for not calling him out. Thththththth several top bankers tried to land a big interview with Darren Wilson, Abcs George Stephanopoulos winning that battle. He spoke with the Ferguson Police officer at an undisclosed location. Is there anything you could have done differently that would have prevented that killing from taking place . No. Nothing . No. You have a very clean conscious. The reason i have a clean conscious is i know i did my job right. Were back with david zurich in washington and George Concha in new york. How did Joe Stephanopoulos do . I thought he was solid. I thought he was methodical. I thought we got some answers there weve never gotten before. And i thought the reaction showed that both sides, you can see george being attacked either way. I think he asked all the right questions. Where i take issue is where we saw a little bid more of this on night line. Because of november sweeps, perhaps, and dancing with the stars as a juggernaut, it didnt get that. I thought this was a big enough story that it deserved to be played in prime time. Right. We never really heard Darren Wilsons voice. I think it was interesting in the clip that you showed, Morning Television has made him better at getting sort of at emotions and that question he asked was the really revealing one. I thought when wilson said no, i have nothing, that that was surprising to me. I thought you couldnt go through that kind of fire without having some. So that was good. And he asked it. It was a morning tv question but it worked. I hadnt thought of him as being a great interviewer. Joe, let me ask you, you wrote about the New York Times and a piece about Darren Wilson getting married publishes the street that he lives on with his new wife in a small town outside ferguson. Why . Look, regardless, howie, of whether you think Darren Wilson is guilty or innocence, how could anyone not think that this was incredibly reckless. This was the type of action you see out of a blog that works out of a basement, not the premier print publication in the country that has 114 pollsters to its credit. Here is the worst part, howie. By checking my ugly yellow phone two minutes before this segment, that story with the address is still up on their site. Hes a professional anarchist at work and they only listed the street, not the actual number. Who is to say they wont burn down the whole block to play it safe . It was completely reckless and the New York Times needs to take down that story now. Yeah. I dont understand why the times did it because there was no upside. There was nothing to be gained. It was a feature story. The throw away line, almost, but i think put his life potentially in danger but i hope not. I dont understand why the times still does not see that. Coming back to the coverage, al sharpton is in ferguson today. Obviously, hes played this dual role, denouncing the grand jurys decision as an activist and covering the commenting on the story on msnbc, hosting his own show. Is this helping nsnbc . I think its deplorable that msnbc does this. But i have been saying that since august. And last year with trayvon martin. Yes. But you know what . Msnbc had terrible, had the smallest audience. Fox and cnn had audiences of over 5 million on prime time monday night during that coverage. Msnbc had 1. 6 million. They had a fourth of the audience with that. And i think its directly attributable in part to al sharptons activism. The audience told him we dont want this. On a story this volatile, this important to american life, give us some reporting. I hoped, i hoped that gets msnbc sobers them up enough to say, okay, lets stop this because theyre not going to do it for righteous reasons. Thats clear enough. Right. So hell playing this role and hes not putting up the numbers. Its the only thing that joe and david, thank you for stopping by. Ahead on media buzz is there a double standard for female politicians and journalists . Its four on one on the set about numbers. Sexism, feminism, these are terms that get toss around the media. That seemed a good jumping off point when i went to new york and sat down with the laes of outnumbered. 0u9 outnumbered today here on the set of outnumbered. I get to be the guy you all youre one lucky guy. I feel so lucky. So let me throw this out. Make my job easy. Think about the use of the word sexism. Nancy pelosi says its sexist to ask whether she should step down after the democrats take a drubbing. Does that word get thrown around too much . Yes, absolutely. And the same way, if you throw around sexism or racism or whatever the word may be, it loses the meaning for cases where legitimate sexism exist. There is a sexism in our culture, in our media culture and our society. So its not as though it doesnt exist. Yeah, but if you hear it on and on and on, when theres a real instance, its like, oh, its her. These are two women who i think when they say things like that b with they dont believe it for one second themselves. Howie, i take a different approach to it. I feel like in our line of work, we are criticized more than men are, especially for the way we work and dress. You never hear anyone comment on a mans suit. You have that News Reporter that wore that same suit for a year. If a woman did that i wore a pair of shoes two days in a row and someone commented on it on twitter. Im like, really . Get over it. By the way, you look very nice. Thank you. Youre welcome. I kind of agree with that. I think its always more important to put in your head more than you put on your head. So it would be nice as women if we were maybe recognized for that more often than i think we are partnership certainly get that a lot. So its an interesting contradiction here. Some people are saying politicians use sexism, some of of insulating themselves from criticism. Your hair is off one day, you get the tweets, you get the emails. That feels a little bit sexist. I think where its competitively expedient, people use those isms. Obviously, nancy pelosi did not really, really want to talk about whether she would be the heir apparent to be the minority leader in the new house second time in a row. So she deflected. Because the reporter was a woman asking the question. Nancy who didnt mention gender. Right. Shes been doing this a long time. If she says a certain thing, thats the only clip that networks are going to run. Will we see some of this in the Hillary Campaign . You think shes running . Do you know something we dont know . Oh, absolutely. All politicians are criticized. Everyone likes to focus one a woman is criticized. Chris christie, how many times has he been criticized over his weight. Generally speaking, i think, yes, but a lot of those women overcome it. The story is that women can do it in spite of. Make it hard for me, im going to do it anyway. You cant right every wrong in the rule book. If we sat up here and complained, we wouldnt be focusing on our jobs. At some point, it is what it is. You probably talked about this. Time magazine comes out with this list of words to ban. Include feminism. Big uproar. We missed the nuance. Is feminism is word that gets twisted. Theres so much political correctness, what is going to be left to say. Its using your high heels to walk on egg shells. Really. And who are these people who get to decide this for us . I love that story because they came back and said, you know what, we didnt think this through. Even though our viewers and readers voted for this word, were getting so much backlash about it. Lets do this all over again. It was just interesting. They only chose like four or five words and started over again and took that word out. Im not for banning words. Me neither. The five of us are not into banning words. Whats your favorite word to use . Doesnt it tell you what feminism has become . Think of how its been hijacked. The definition most people would agree with, however, if people want to ban it, it just shows the frankensteins have taken over. Its become one of the quivers on the war on women. Its a scary world when you have so many people perpetually offended by everything. Kids grow up thinking its okay to be offended all the time. Dont hurt my feelings. You know how many kids got cents to the officer for saying something to me. How is it that Kim Kardashians naked body gets millions of page views and lots of stories . Are we that easy . Have you seen it . Okay. We the media she does this for a stunt. Yeah, i know. I just want to know, did you see that picture . It was shiny. It was super shiny. I dont know what she used. She did an interview and said she used her own hair product on it. Dont ask me how i know that. You women are not offended by this. You are fascinated. It is fascinating. Sex does sell. My whole twitter feed that whole day, i was tweeting i couldnt look at twitter without seeing a picture of Kim Kardashians butt. Do you remember the beginning of the reality show she was so upset because that one tape made it out. It was public. Then she goes and does this. I said this the other day. We are obsessed with butts. By the way, i dont have a problem with that. I probably have the largest one on the couch. Thank you for your time here on the set of outnumbered. Still to come, your top tweets. And speaking of kim kardashian, how did the New York Times fall for this one . Test test the hollywood website the wrap has apologized for a piece who savaged the women who accused bill cosby of sexual assault, calling them aging actresses trying to get tv and book deals. Im sorry, that is pathetic. He said hes sorry for a piece that was mean. Time for tweets. How the media handled ferguson responsibly or not. Oh, please, they consciously rejected the facts and went with a narrative they wanted to true. The owner and managing editor of the New York Times should have their dresses published just as the times published wilsons. All right. I cant believe im mentioning this a second time. Theres a serious jurn list ik point to be made. They recorded a radio interview with her husband. Quote, i dont understand why ef one is focusing on kims booty. Mine is like the top three of all times. As a times correction noted, there is no such Radio Station and no such interview. They were taken from a daily current. New york times should stick to high bro culture, no butts about it. That is it for this edition of media buzz. Hope youre enjoying your thanksgiving weekend. Check out our facebook page. Go to our home page as well. 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