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Oneluckyguy, iraq veteran, pete hegseth is here and he is outnumbered and he made it by the hair of your chinny chin chin. Glad to be here, barely made it dagen i called you honky and the teas, by the way. Sandra President Trump doubling down on his threat to unleash fire and fury and north korea continues to threaten the u. S. After pyongyang announced possible plans to launch missiles toward the u. S. Territory of guam. Reporters asking the president if his initial tone was too harsh. Listen. Frankly, the people who are questioning that statement, is it too tough, maybe it wasnt tough enough. If north korea does anything in terms of thinking about attack of anybody that we love or we represent or our allies or us, they should be very, very nervous. They should be nervous because things will happen to them like they never thought possible. Sandra this morning, President Trump tweeting that military solutions are now fully and place, locked and loaded, should north korea act unwisely. Hopefully kim jongun will find another path. North korea state News Agencies and sing today trump is driving the situation to the brink of a nuclear war. Meantime, in james mattis telling reporters diplomacy is the way forward. The american effort is dippel medical a lead, it has diplomatic traction, it is beginning to poetic results. I want to stay right there right now, the tragedy of war is will and of known, it doesnt need another need another characterization be on the fact that it would be catastrophic. Sandra first of the rhetoric from the president , fire and fury, then he says those words may not have been tough enough. Pete then he says locked and loaded, this is a guy who understands tough talk is what is needed right now. You need the credible threat of military force, which we never had under barack obama and barely had ever and north korea, so weve diplomatic, sanctioned our way to a nuclear bomb where we are now under threat on our own shore. In 20 years, we could face perpetual blackmail from the korean peninsula, not a couple missiles, not a dozen, hundreds of missiles might nuclear iced Nuclear Weapons pointed at our cities. The same could happen in iran. This is a put abortion at moment. This is serious his instincts are right. Weve done nothing but bad deals in that area, its time to come to the table and stop it now. Sandra then there is concern about mixed messaging that may or may not be coming out of the white house. Defense secretar y mattis saying we want to use diplomacy, sing a potential gillian theyre not contradicting one another, i think secretary mattis naturally has a much more measured way of speaking than President Trump. They have very different rhetorical styles, but i think they are synced up on policy underneath that. I think that by the way, i was at saying this to pete yesterday on the business channel that President Trumps approach so far, and my opinion, is not hugely divergent from president obama. What weve got, since basically the policy has not changed that much. Earlier, president obama increased the presence in south korea. He increased the number of american troops in south korea, so how could you say that there is no credible military force . Pete you can move a landing base and north korea. Gillian we are talking about having the threat be visible to the north koreans, having the thread be immediate, having the threat be in close proximity, how was to convey that, aside from having military there . Sandra there is one group taking it with the rhetoric and that is democrats. We have this excerpt of a letter signed by 64 House Democrats condemning his language, urging Rex Tillerson to rein in that rhetoric, saying this in the letter. These statements are irresponsible and dangerous and also provide a boom to propaganda. We respectfully but firmly urge you to do everything dagen caution and strength do not work. They want warm and fuzzy, come over here and let me give you a big hug. This is a language that should resonate with the kim regime and even president clinton back in 1994 discussed or thought about, the threat of military action and was really talked away by president jimmy carter and then we put in place something that had no checks and balances in terms of what north korea was allowed to do. There are a lot of things at issue. We have diplomacy, we have at least signaled for the president and his advisors that we are at the ready to shoot down missiles. We are at the ready with military presence, but there are so many things we could do. Mike pompeo has been talking for weeks about preparing for the north korea threat, including covert operations in the country potentially. We can up our Missile Defenses, the trump budget actually reduces the funding for Missile Defense in this country, antiproliferation, we would board ships if we think theyre carrying nuclear material. There is so much we could do and so much is being talked about. Sandra as far as for their sanctions, which weve talked about on this couch. We talked about it this morning, pete. Colonel oliver north was on fox news morning, sanctions take too long. Trish we should have sanctioned the heck out of north korea. There is a lot of opportunity. We sanctioned one banker from china recently, but there is a whole lot more theyre doing business here and we should be going after china hard. We should demand that they play ball i north korea. As far as rhetoric goes, this is a crazy man, he might as well know that we can do what we say we do in terms of the rhetoric itself. There is nothing wrong with conveying what we have. We dont want to get to that state, but if he doesnt know that we are serious, then he will not take us seriously. This is been the whole problem. Pete thats why doubling down on sanctions at this point, and may help bring china along, but it wont solve things. How many miniaturized nukes he has if you give up your nukes, you die in a ditch. He gave up the nukes after the iraq war and thats what happened. Stopping them before they get them can proliferate them, its so critically important. I go back to around because iran is even worse. Theyre cohabiting with north korea to get these very same weapons. Under perpetual black know from these two states before were talking talking about preventing north korea from development. I dont know why we talk about that. Its important to talk about i agree 100 , but i think its more important to look at whats on the table right now because thats what President Trump is looking at. He is exercising his own kind of, this is his own version of amped up strategic deterrence. Hes not changing the policy so much because hes maneuver that is much as he can right now without launching a Ground Invasion inside north korea. Thats a stylistic difference, not a policy. Pete do you agree with susan rice we need to tolerate . Gillian i never said anything remotely like that. Pete thats effectively what youre saying. Gillian no its not. Absolutely not. All im saying is that everybody is making a big deal, its a tremendously divergent im pointing out that if you look at whats on the ground, its not. Hes changing the rhetoric. Hes not actually doing anything differently than what president obama dead. Im not saying we need to tolerate north korea. Dagen how about the United Nations over the weekend, they did not go far enough, 100 0000000 out of 3 billion exports coming out of north korea. The fact that russia and china signed on to those, youre seeing so much from kim jongun at this point. The fact that they sanctioned that small bank, it was kind of overlooked by a lot of the media before kim firing the missiles in july, but thats a big step because it signals that more. Trish we are making these threats now, do you want a situation where you may have this redline, we all remember that well and if you dont the challenge with rhetoric and this is why other president s havent used this and i hear your point at the policy hasnt changed, but now that youre out there saying these things, what does that mean if he decides to go and lobbed those things . Pete thats where President Trump has been so responsible were obama was reckless. Hes been very careful to say this is not the point because thats where you force yourself into a corner where you have to do something you dont want to do or you look foolish by setting that redline. President trump is taking a responsible approach. Its part of how you get a good outcome. Dagen heres the problem, theyre called groundbased intercepts. We have mixed success with those, about a 50 success rate over their lifetime, so if you shoot missiles and we dont get all of them, then what . Sandra more on this coming up as tensions escalate, chinas estate media warning north korea and the u. S. Not to play with fire. President trump calling out beijing, saying ed must do more to rein in his nuclear neighbor. What the u. S. Can truly pressure for help. Plus President Trump now suggesting Mitch Mcconnell should step down if he fails to deliver on his agenda items. Good way to hold him accountable or is he alienating a key ally . We will debate. You dont let anything keep you sidelined. Thats why you drink ensure. With 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. For the strength and energy to get back to doing. What you love. Ensure. Always be you. Yeah, cause i got allstate. 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Sandra that was President Trump yesterday stepping up pressure on china to do more to help the standoff with north korea, but beijing says both countries shouldnt play with fire. Its also suggesting it will block any preemptive attacks on north korea. The global times, the Chinese State run newspaper writing china should also make clear that if north korea launches missiles that threaten u. S. Soil first and the u. S. , china will stay neutral. At the u. S. And south korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the north korean regime and change the political pattern of the peninsula, china will prevent them from doing so. Meantime, a Chinese Foreign minister Spokesman Says that both sides and you take steps to be a the situation. Lets start here with china. What is chinas role . Pete its substantial. You have to escalate before you deescalate. They have to come to the table based on shared interest. They want to agitate with north korea, if you dont want to create an overthrown regime, where does that point meet . Im not sure. Thats where the experts in the white house to determine, but you have to push that envelope because china is not interested and our interests, they are not our friend. They have their own ambitions and globally. They have a long future where their ascendant in americas descendant, thus a view of chinese leadership right now over a 50 year perspective. This is part of that game that they are playing and being decisive with them, standing strong, using trade as a lever will be key. Sandra julians trying to jump in, dagan, to you first dagen china hopes the north korean threat drives us out of northeast asia. There is so much more that we can do in terms of putting financial pressure on china and on north korea. What the sanctions over the weekend did not do, they did not cut the supply of oil and refined oil products, gasoline into north korea from china. In terms of the secondary sanctions, you start cracking down, on financial institutions, any companies that are propping up the missile and Nuclear Programs and china, you make it hurt. You make china hurt in their pocket book and could affect things. Trish it was interesting, he said look, we have to go after china on a lot of these issues i etrade, et cetera maybe ill back off if they cooperate on north korea. You think about china, their counterfeiting goods and they are a source for counterfeit goods, unlike any other. This is costing american businesses and its a big issue because not only that, you run the risk doing business in china that your executives can be jailed for drums up charges, so there are a lot of issues that we need to start addressing and that is our leverage. That is the threat that we have, we can actually start going after them on all of these economic issues. Gillian i think part of the reason is that we share with north korea a common interest in having a excuse me, we share with china having a nuclear free north korea, but that is in a relationship based on convenience and it only goes up to a point and then we sharply diverge. Our National Security interests in this are much stronger than chinas because china is a neighbor and looks to north korea for major trade, major investment. They have a vested interest in seeing north koreas economy remain strong, remain stable, and remain independent. The north korean economy collapsing would prevent a major, major crisis for china, for us, not so much. I think every american president comes into office and they think it, im going to hit china really hard. Im going to go down that path as far as i can and maybe ill be the one to turn it and theyre not. Again, our National Security interests get to a certain point and then sharply diverge. Dagen financially and economically, we dont have leverage over china. We do rely on imported goods, people of cheap goods that they can buy at discount stores. I dont mean to sound simplistic about this and china be the second largest foreign holder because we are a debtor nation. We rely on them to not only continue to buy u. S. Treasury, but to not sell what they own. Trish simultaneously, china needs us to do well because they need that to get repaid. Sandra as the tensions continue to mount with north korea, Chris Wallace will talk to mike pompeo on fox news sunday. Check your local listings for channel and time on the Fox Broadcast Network and you can catch it sunday at 2 00 p. M. Eastern right here on fnc. Plus, to a President Trumps critics in the senate now facing primary challengers. Should other trunk critics be worried and is it time for more republicans to support the president . We debate. And then you totaled him. You two had been through everything together. 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I said mitch, i get to work and lets get it done. They should have had this last one done. They lost by one vote, for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace. Dagen or in hatchs office tweeting this. Senate majority leader Mitch Mcconnell has been the best leader weve had and my time in the senate. When it comes to whose side the American People are on, a new poll shows the president is doing a better job in congress is, even at 38 , he is up 18 points over Congress Approval rating of 20 . Newt gingrich said not just this morning, but in other interviews. Hes encouraging the president to read Mitch Mcconnells book, the long game and mcconnell is not going anywhere and they would need to make nice nice. Pete if its such a long game that we are all dead, its too long. Losing is losing, failing is failing. Very few grassroot conservatives out there who way the responsibility at the feet of President Trump. Whether its Susan Collins or susan michalski, or been staff rather than passing conservative ideas. I dont get it. Dagen my theory is the market is not selling off on the north korea rhetoric. Weve got a little bit of a bounce back, but the worst week may be since the end of march. Its because there is tension between trump and mcconnell and the agenda is at risk. Theyre raising the debt ceiling next month, keeping the government open,. Sandra the tensions are there. Dagen you have Mitch Mcconnell taking a shot at donald trump and trump taking shots back at mcconnell. Trish as far as political risk, typically, its hard to know in these situations, but typically the market will always bounce back from that. You look at this over the long term and yes, weve had geopolitical problems before. It always comes back, so theres always something to this. Thats going to have an effect on earnings, the market, and perhaps thats what underlies all of this. Sandra the rhetoric, does the president risk alienating those he needs . That is a real risk, not getting tax reform done. Gillian i feel like im missing something. Isnt Mitch Mcconnell one of the only republicans, certainly in a leadership position who stood by the president , has been on board with him since the campaign . What he said the other day was barely a criticism of the president. The first time ive heard Mitch Mcconnell say anything that went contrary to what the president has been saying. He has been right there with him every step of the way on the agenda. He said himself, i agree with the president on health care. Is it smart for the president , if youre looking at strategies, is it smart for him to try and potentially throw Mitch Mcconnell under the bus . Pete if the Republican Party we had kevin brady on the radio, if the Republican Party cant do tax reform and they cant do obama repeal and replace dagen it youre getting ahead of yourself pure them to keep the government open. Ill predict this, this aint getting done this year. This is a disaster. By the way, to call Mitch Mcconnell a leader is a misnomer because hes not leading. He said seven years. Sandra its very frustrating. Trish meantime, a group during the Trump Campaign for one of the primary challengers jeff flake. This according to the hill which reports that trumps allies are ramping up their own to take down the Arizona Republican who has emerged as one of the president s vocal critics on capitol hill. And senator dean heller from nevada is also facing a 2018 primary challenger. Meantime ahead of the rnc this week, warning republicans that their seats are in danger if they oppose President Trump. If you look at 2016, the senators who do not support the president , lets look at two, they fell short in all senate races. There is a cautionary tale. Voters want to support the president and his agenda. Trish voters are frustrated, they sell business function in washington. One of the reasons they sent him there. When you look at examples like kelly ayotte, she flipflopped. That did not serve her well, but its symptomatic of a lot of people that we see in the party right now. Its hard for them to jump with both feet in when theyre not certain of how theyre going to be looked upon by the media, by their peers, and ultimately voters. Pete et al. Ultimately self interested, thats youre telling me. Trish if they were really selfinterested, they would actually be more in his corner, but i think its hard for them to think. Think of how he campaigned and how awkward it made some people feel, theyre not used to this. They never seen anything like i it. Its hard for them to say we are going to back him when theyre not certain what the ramifications will be. Dagen i think as evidence, you look at the ads that the protrump Group America first policy started running against dean heller when it looked like he was not going to get on board with a Health Care Reform they started running antidean heller adds and they had Something Like a sevenfigure budget in place. They quickly pulled them once dean heller started going back to the table to negotiate with colleagues on that, slots effective. Any republicans out there who think this might be a bluff. Gillian trish they neede is our president s before this g. O. P. Civil war, who does that serve . It doesnt serve the president or the congress. Congress is up from 1020 . Pete what does it serve jeff flake running around talking about terrible President Trump as a conservative republican . This president wants to do all the things they said they would do on the campaign trail. Pull on your big boy pants. Get something done. Trish the president said for better or worse, just have at it, do what youve been working on for the last seven years and ill sign whatever you put in front of me and they still can get it done. He gobbled up republicans right and left like m ms. He destroyed the party and they resent it. Trish the fbi raids of Paul Manaforts home, with the president has to say about the special focus and when he says about reports that hes considering firing Robert Mueller. Sidekick so when your side glass gets damaged. [dog barks] trust Safelite Autoglass to fix it fast. Its easy just bring it to us, or let us come to you, and well get you back on the road woman thank you so much. Safelite tech my pleasure. Announcer cause we care about you. And your copilot. [dog barks] safelite repair, safelite replace. Ahyou the law . Weve had some complaints of. Is that a fire . Theres your payoff, deputy. Git velveeta shells cheese. 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Sandra politico is reporting federal investigators are trying to rattle Paul Manafort, going after his son in law increase the pressure with a predawn rain. Ive always found Paul Manafort to be a decent man. He probably gets consultant fees from all over the place, i dont know. Its pretty tough stuff. To wake him up, perhaps his family was there, i think thats really bad. Sandra meanwhile, don dowd said these are typically found in russia, not america. This invasive tool was employed for its shock value to try to intimidate mr. Manafort and bring him to his knees. First off, your thoughts on the president s of strong words. Pete hes saying exactly what he means as he always does. He knows he never colluded, he knows its a witch hunt. Hes made a strategic decision, rather to take on mueller and fire him, let it run its course. But the Senate Committee come out and have their findings because he is going to be liberated by the fact that theres nothing there. During the break, you said washington, d. C. , would go nuts, i say let them go nuts. When d. C. Goes nuts, i dont care and neither does anyone else in america. This is a witch hunt and i think he let it run its course and is good that he set that aside and otherwise focus on things that matter. Gillian this menacing he could do barn on is to take the investigation, put it aside, let it run its course. I dont want to live in a world where the president fired mueller. If i was an advisor, i would say please mr. President , please take that option off the table. If you felt the wrath of washington and the governing class in this country, fire the special investigator. Trish he is, that was a point of that sound that we just ran. Hes saying, this is something you guys are talking about and i think the right pundits have called for that. Get rid of the whole investigation, i dont think hes necessarily saying that. I think he understands the political risk. I dont think he anticipated the backlash she would get when he let james comey go, but that turned into a big can of worms and resulted in Robert Mueller. Dagen it was the twitter threats, i might have some tapes and then call me leaks that information to the New York Times trish absolutely horrendous and outrageous that he did leak that way, especially when everyone was complaining about leakers. Nonetheless, i think he understands that that would not be well received. Dagen has tony answered he ink readily measured when asked about Paul Manafort. We talk about the politics of possibly firing Robert Mueller, think about it from a legal perspective because if you look back to watergate, you have to be careful what happens because Leon Jaworski was put in his place was much tougher than archibald cox. You may like Robert Mueller, but you may head the next guy or gal even more. Sandra and looking at these tactics employed by mullers, does as backup President Trump coming as a witch hunt . Pete yes, they are searching for a crime, this is why its so frustrating for Jeff Sessions because hes not able to keep it inside and make sure theyre focusing on russian interference in the election, instead theyre going down this rabbit trail or that one. Its part of intimidation. Dagen we should point out that this team had to persuade a judge that they were somehow not being faithful or truthful with them in terms of the information they were turning over. Fbi agents know the danger because they could be prosecuted. Sandra remember this big tease on fox news radio . Time magazines latest cover declaring new white house chief of staff john kelly, trump last best hope, is that a Fair Assessment or is it more Mainstream Media bias . Will debate that next. Your brain changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. 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A freak accident at a football practice has an entire community reeling. How a simple conditioning exercise class a 16yearold his life. All that coming up on happening now. Gillian e had more about Mainstream Media bias. John kelly is called President Trumps best last hope. The article which is full of criticism of the president S White House reads in part kelly urged his staff to stop the infighting and set their egos and agendas and any leaking aside. He told his audience that they must assert serving a hierarchy that puts the nation and not the president first. Country, president , self. So began a new era at President TrumpS White House, when the might be his last and best chance for success. I feel like the like the chief of staff role is a thankless job and he only ever think about the chief of staff or hear about them in the Mainstream Media if something horrible is happening. Meaning if youre doing a great job and everything is running on time, everybodys doing their job, the staff is serving the president well, you dont even knew who they are. If something goes down when theres a crisis, then all of a sudden the chief of staff is always a forefront in the news. I think in general, its probably not fair to say that general kelly is the president s last and best hope, but he is really important and his role is super important, but thats the same. Pete that title seems last best hope. Structure would help President Trump structure his agenda. I dont use the term Mainstream Media anymore ever, its left wing media. They create these stories to make the president look bad. There is no balance and most of these newsrooms at all. This is meant to make him look bad, put a picture of someone who can save the Trump Presidency that they say is doomed to fail six months in and they will look at what hes done to succeed and they will look at what i had wing hes faced from a most everything will news outlet. Hes had a great deal of troubl trouble. Dagen what moronic news Magazine Editor would put someone on the cover of your issue that no one recognized . People are like, who the heck is that guy . Trish i dont think he was well served by his previous chief of staff. There is room for improvement. He has a lot of promise and a lot of talent and some of that needs to be channeled. Its important to who is around him and you point out structure, you look at President Trump on his International Trip and he knocked it out of the park. There was a lot of structure and he has an opportunity to do that and away back here at home that he can succeed at but he needs the right people, he needs more people around him. Sandra the article, i was trying to find i dont have my high later today. It goes into detail of john kelly is passed from where he comes, how he was raised, his family, it does a good job of talking about what a strong leader this man and he is a hopeful presence for thiS White House. Gillian this is a serious guy. There is a lot of value there because you can say shut up, you are pursuing your own interest, this is how we get the president s agenda passed whereas before, there were camps, but he gets to rise above that. Gillian unlike reince priebus, hes not coming into this locked position and a larger web of political donors, operatives, hes coming at this from the military. He is approaching this, i think it, its a little too early to say that his chief of staff. Sandra happy friday again, more outnumbered, will be back in just a moment. So the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight four weeks without the car. Okay, yup. Good night. 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