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Been at nbc news, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident. The email said he received a complaint monday night. Today, coanchors Savannah Guthrie and hoda cobb made the announcement this morning. For the moment, all we can say is that we are heartbroken. Im heartbroken for matt. Hes my dear, dear friend and partner. He is beloved by many, many people. Im heartbroken for the brief colleague that came forward to tell her story and many other women that have their own stories to tell. Rick leventhal. Just days after cbs gave charlie rose the boot over alleged inappropriate behavior, nbc asked matt lauer because of charges that were apparently too serious to be handled any other way. The New York Post is reporting that an nbc staffer compared to my to hr that lauer had sexually assaulted her at the sochi Winter Olympics in 2014. The New York Times is reporting she wasnt ready to go public and she and her lawyer met with hr and Legal Department for several hours on monday night. The Statement Released by andy lack reads in part, on monday night, we received a detailed complaint about inappropriate behavior in the workplace by matt lauer. After a serious review, it represented a clear file of our companys standards. We decided to terminate his employment. Lower started back in january of 1997 and has circled the world ten times tense, interviewing three sitting president s, covering three thanks giving day parades and an olympics in sochi. It is hard to reconcile with what we are hearing about the man who would walk into work with together every single day. We are trying to process it and make sense of it. It will take some time for that. We are learning a number of news outlets including the New York Times and variety say theyve been working on stories and articles for weeks and months about lauer. It spoke to multiple women with farreaching accusations and nbc was aware of it. Back to you guys. Sandra and eventually got ahead of it. Rick leventhal. Appearing directly from the outlet themselves. Judge napolitano nbc is not the government. There is no due process but they do have to be fair to the accused because the contract that he signed requires that. Can they be fair in 3648 hours . Yes, if they analyze carefully the complaint and decide they were credible and presented these complaints to him and his lawyers and heard their version of them. This is not a trial or a facetoface confrontation. This is the satisfaction of management, doing the right thing and the lawful thing. They did that apparently, though these rumors have been around. According to rick leventhals report, they did this in less than 48 hours. Its really record time. Sandra its not rumors, though. Its not rumors. Reporters have been circling matt lauer for a while. Thats true, thats a fact. For nbc to act like this is all a big shock, 48 hours ago, 24 hours ago is disingenuous. At the same time, i give them credit just because reporters are circling someone doesnt mean they are guilty. Its up to that organization to do a thorough investigation. But the act like this is the first weve heard of it and instantly fired him . That wouldnt be right because they do deserve time to go and look into it but its also disingenuous. Judge napolitano it sounds like this was the first formal complaint. Melissa may be. Harris i would even go that far. Nbc is already saying katie the complainant was taken up with her lawyer. Harris she probably should have some representation if shes going on the record and no stews being sought after. Not just for comment but potentially to compare stories, which could become evidence in a case. We do not know what is coming down the pike. Nbc did not say no, there is no more. With al franken and the senate, when he was asked if theres more women that will come forward, will you . Some of those conversations she would have either with reporters or management can become evidence in this case. Sandra while this is the first formal complaint, i dont buy that as anything. That that carries any kind of weight. This may be has been going on for a long time. Maybe they are young women working at nbc who did not want to come forward and didnt feel like the Hr Department was on their side. They didnt feel like anything was going to be done and he felt like matt lauer would ruin their career not only at nbc but at any other network in town. The idea that theres only one formal complaint and therefore thats what we are going on . Sure. There may have been other instances that werent necessarily reported through what they claim are proper channels. That doesnt mean there wasnt more wrongdoing. Judge napolitano under the law, if the one formal complaint embodies facts that are severe that sufficient to fire him. It doesnt have to be a pervasive series of regular, systematic behavior. Harris is a cultural problem. Katie its where we are now, right . Are we at the beginning of the surge or at the end of it . Look at what andy lack said in that memo. It appears to not be an isolated incident. A lot more could come of this. Judge napolitano i agree with what both of you are saying. The language in andy lacks email was giving him some protection because they know a lot more is coming. Harris ought to piggyback off what are to back you said, melissa. We cant look at this as an accident that happened. What i am seeing is the man first, then the woman. We feel bad about this and then look. We work at fox. Lets not ignore the 800pound gorilla in the room. Weve been down a road ourselves. But we know as we watch this with these other women, incredible bravery for these victims coming forward. Sandra i want to speak to savannah and hodas come here. They went out briefly in the morning. With a lot of pain coming out, theyve talked about some of the been close to that is now accused of something thats pretty horrific. There is a of a backlash saying what did these women know . For myself, ive been close to people who have been accused and shed tears myself. Is it true, is it not . Its something you go through in your mind. Its them i was close to and cared about. Its hard. Dont pile on those women who are there, sitting there crying and saying well, you mustve known. We all hear rumors about lots of things. You dont know what to believe and what not to. Katie even if they did, what are they supposed to do about it . Is it really their fire to be poking around . Melissa but what about the other women . Katie all the cultural stuff, the stories weve seen and heard maybe the things that go on harris maybe they have their own experiences too. Katie are they going to put their career on the line . Judge napolitano nbc had a choice to make. How and when and out of whose mouth to reveal this . They very well may have decided harris and with charlie rose, too. Judge napolitano there are millions of people that are going to be at 7 00 in the morning . Harris she said its complicated for everybody involved. It is also legal. Youve got it let those legal channels is there potentially more with regard to matt lauer . Youve got to let this play out. Are we at the beginning, the middle, the end . We are in an interesting zone. They are talking about it on congress. Bills and legislation trying to hold congress accountable. Judge napolitano im going to bet that matt lauers lawyers agreed that some of these events took place in that was the reason for the swift and certain response. Sandra lets not forget that nbc buried the weinstein story. Matt lauer, harvey weinstein. They were friends. Katie its amazing to see how the private sector handle this. So much differently than the public sector. Harris you have the antiharassment in congress today, they will debate it shortly. Sandra President Trump announcing a new response to the latest test of an intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Kim jong un could now potentially hit washington, d. C. Whats the president s next move . We will debate that. Plus, democrats responding after mr. Trump named and shamed Chuck Schumer in nancy pelosi for ditching a meeting at the white house. It would be a waste of everyones time to continue working with someone who clearly has no interest in coming to an agreement. Sandra harris alarming developments in the north korea crisis. After about two and a half months of relative quiet, that rogue nation launched a new type of Ballistic Missile experts believe could hit anywhere in the United States. This latest provocation brings a swift reaction President Trump. Watch. As you probably have heard and some of you have reported, a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. I will only tell you that we will take care of it. We have general mattis in the room with us. Weve had a long discussion on it. Its a situation we will handle. Harris the president tweeted this morning just spoke to president xi jinping of china. Massive sanctions will be imposed on north korea today. This situation will be handled the United Nations Security Council will convene an emergency meeting today and hawaii is gearing up to begin monthly testing of a Nuclear Warning system beginning this friday. For the First Time Since the end of the cold war. Earlier on americas newsroom, former cream for a Commander Michael walt said the latest launch could be a game changer and the u. S. Is running out of time. The North Koreans have demonstrated they have the range to reach any point in the United States. It could reach anywhere on the continental United States. The next step is for them to have the muscle come back into the atmosphere and they are they are. They have the ability to hit us. Sandra harris sandra, wd a lot from colonel walts. But theres so much more room diplomatically, Rex Tillerson saying they tried diplomacy every single day. Its not going to change. Sandra i followed up that discussion with colonel waltz. We are headed to war if things do not change. He jumped and before i could finish the sentence. Yeah. Thats the case. Judge napolitano it is terrifying. I want to add two components. A little comforting and a little on the terrifying side. The little comforting side is we certainly have the ability to prevent it from getting here come at the time it would take to get from pyongyang over to hawaii or los angeles. They have the ability to shoot it down. We recently tested that. Heres the terrifying thing a very, very well respected person in the scientific and Intelligence Community says no way can north korea develop an icbm. That means somebody gave it to them. Sandra harris we arentd by that, though, right . Judge napolitano if it is somebody harris are you looking at china . Judge napolitano china or russia. Is there a telephonic relationship whos helping north korea . Melissa the pakistanis built the north korean program. Judge napolitano who built this icbm . The one they sent off yesterday. Its almost inconceivable they did it on their own without us knowing. Harris what you are talking about are the markings we have known for a while that are there from other countries. We know this around the world, that russia has had its hands tied with other countries weaponry. Katie the First Priority of the president of the United States, no matter who it is, protects the country. Its now a viable threat that the president will have to question of himself and his administration. I we going to live the with the threat . The answer will probably be absolutely not. Based on the gap between how china and u. S. Plan to handle north korea and the fact that china doesnt want to institute more economic sanctions on north korea because they dont want to deal with the humanitarian fallout of what that would mean from the regime, and they also do want the resume pointing their muscles at chinese cities, war might be the only option at this point. Its not a good one. Again, the present have to decide if that threat is something we are willing to live with. Im not. Harris you guys talk at 37,000 feet. You were recently there. I know you studied the numbers on what the sanctions can do. Katie she mentioned the humanitarian crisis. I dont want people to forget whats going on with the north korean people. I think back to that soldier. Melissa he was willing to risk his life. Shot five times. Thats someone who they are feeding and taking care of because hes in the military. Thats their best of the best. That kind of a thing going on inside his body because what they are feeding them in north korea . You hear about people who have escaped, families have starved to death. There is a real humanitarian crisis going on in that country where hes murdering and starving his own people. An important component of the story that people should not forget. Harris you are saying humanitarian crises already exist, piling on if you will of china pulls back. Katie china feels like its not necessarily their responsibility. Harris how do we change their minds . Judge napolitano a very swift military response is made very, very complex. The president is talking to all the right people. Harris you are sticking your finger in the ocean. You dont know who they are coupling with pit judge napolitano if they can reach los angeles, they can reach seoul, south korea paid the most densely populated city in the world. Just a couple miles south of the demilitarized zone. Harris and the president said he spoke with president xi jinping today. Nancy pelosi in Chuck Schumer saying no, we arent going. A Government Shutdown . The president blasting their move. How will this all play out . They decided not to show up. Theyve been all talk and no action. And now, it is even worse. No its not even talk. Harris speaking of time, the senate could begin debate on the tax reform bill. The house is sounding optimistic. Will the g. O. P. Pullout, get on board, or get in the way . We still firmly believe this is the best path forward to help this countrys economy continued to grow like weve seen it do since this president was electe elected. At planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. Just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. Do you like nuts . Harris fox news alert, President Trump and democrats are in a war of words. The likelihood of a Government Shutdown is what was supposed to be a bipartisan meeting at the white house yesterday, to talk about the spending bill and immigration. Melissa the president highlighting schumer into policies absence Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi didnt show up for our meeting today. Im not really that surprised. We had tax increases and they decided not to show up. Theyve been all talk and no action. And now, its even worse. Its not even talk. They are chewing up the meeting. Melissa but democratics quickly firing back, nancy pelosi tweeting. President trump now knows his verbal abuse will no longer be tolerated. He is more interested in addressing poor ryan and mcconnell relegated . [laughter] Melissa Sarah sanders slamming the democrats for canceling the meeting, saying their decision was all about politics. The president wants to make sure its necessary to fund defense and military. Its really sad what Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi did yesterday, refusing to sit down with the president and putting priorities of Americans First and not the priorities of their party first. Really, its a disgraceful move by democrats. Melissa but Linda Sanchez says is the president was standing in the way of better relations between the parties. Our president loves to demean other people, verbally abuse them and then he is surprised that people dont want to sit down and have a civilized conversation with him. Melissa huh. I think they are all full of it on both sides. Judge . Judge napolitano i think the president won the photo op. Its profound. Combined with a great oneliner from mitch mcconnell. Theres only one guy on the planet who gets to sign the declaration of the law. We go and talk. Whether youre busy at that moment or not. Sandra she said she would have never imagined not showing up. And out of Clint Eastwoods playbook, he was going to seat chuck and nancy right next to him instead of the republicans. Thats probably some progress on bringing the two parties together, right . Melissa harris do we knr sure . Katie i think its all theater and they are out there working hard during the day will these people are doing theater. Thats a know it that annoying. Sandra the distrust of washington and government, the American People are fed up. Whats going on in washington. Yesterday was crazy. Judge napolitano there hasnt been a budget and how many years . Sandra seven years . Melissa eight years. Judge napolitano no business, no bank no state could operate this. Melissa thats true. What do you think, harris . Harris it is a lot of pomp and circumstance. They are going to have to negotiate to keep the government from shutting down. Roll my eyes and sighed, theyve got to get it done. Do we do ourselves a favor do they say theyre going to put it in front of the president and he will be forced to sign it because he will rate wait until december 29th, the last hour of the day. Or will they take the high road in get together in one room . Otherwise, the government shuts down. Katie the staunch opposition with the Resistance Movement has backfired on them substantially. When you look at trumps record, not as president but as a person involved in politics through donations or through commentary, hes not a hard right wing social conservative. Republican. Hes more of a centrist. If you look at his public record, he used to be a democrat but the automatic resistance to him has not allowed them to move any of their arch item agenda items forward. Harris i feel like we can call chuck and nancy, we know them so well now. They kind of got what they wanted from him the last time they sat down with him. Why dont you bite the apple and put some caramel on it . Katie the question is if the government shuts down its not necessary s most people think it is, boys with still be going to work. A lot of the federal government will not be going to work if it shuts down but social services will still be there. Who will get blamed . President trump will get his first test. Judge napolitano it requires at least 60 votes in the senate. Katie melissa you do tht sometimes. The roll my eyes, side i. [laughter] harris im just falling asleep. No, i do. Im i have kids. Melissa katie we await President Trumps departure to missouri where he is expected to get democratic senator Claire Mccaskill with that tax bill. Republicans are breathing a sigh of relief after the bill cleared a hurdle, passing the budget committee. Republican Committee Members have threatened to block the bill, saying it didnt do enough to help Small Business but senator johnson says he came around after the president gave him assurances. One president of the United States tells you hes going to fix your problem, and he asks for your vote . I was more than willing to give it to him. Sandra more encouragement words from john thune. We have until the end of the week to stick the landing. I think we will. I think we are getting close. The members that had concerns, the president i thought was very good yesterday, in terms of sounding upbeat and getting members to get to gas. Figuring out any issues that remain. Sandra will they . Judge . Judge napolitano im not not in favor of this. I would favor of cutting rates for everybody like reagan and jfk did. But for the president to deliver on his promise, i think he does have the votes. Will john mccain have some kind of a dramatic twist at 12 30 in the morning . Breaking a tie . Sandra the people of arizona want john mccain voting, yes. We should think about that. You are asking katie you are asking if republicans were excited about this plan. Today, there seems to be a lot more excitement about how things are going moving forward. To say tax cuts across the board . And Cato Institute saying this bill actually costs taxis across the board. Those are the numbers going off of. Judge napolitano but what about the party . Katie theyve sold this plan as a tax cut for the middle class. Judge napolitano what i perceive in the republican party, the elites and elected officials, its not a debate. Its not the type of sweep and cut that donald trump himself can paint on campaigned on. Harris is not enough is that enough, though . Judge napolitano if they had cut all rates like jfk and Reagan Melissa they used to say when the president was campaigning on tax cuts that it got loaded to 3. 5 , then 3 . Sandra we will go back to normal with these taxes . 3 . Melissa they are hobbled by the rules theyve created. This is that stupid thing where they always say oh, we want to but we cant because the rules dictate this. If you, wait a second you are the ones that write the rules and you on right then is not as bold as we hope. Its not that postcard. Its not the simple things. Its better than nothing. Its my personal hope that lower taxes leads to more growth. Sandra its a generational tax law. Melissa i hope that when this happens and you see the growth, they can double down and to the next cut as well. I want to hold them to that. When you see good results, you have to do more. Harris the majority and that, with leadership . The question is does that help them in 2018 and if it doesnt help them they will be in the majority. Judge napolitano president reagans director, they said at this rate, by the end of the second donald trump term, 30 trillion in debt. 1 trillion in debt a year. Harris it doesnt sound like the conservative party. Judge napolitano thats more than 0. 50 on every dollar collected by the irs, it goes to paying interest. Sandra spending cuts or something they have not been talking about. Harris nobody wants to katie you know who is excited . The stock market. 61 points. A new record. Harris those arent the middle class people that the judge was talking about. Sandra growing pressure on democrats in congress to do something as more and more accusers come forward about john conyers and the Democratic Congress woman leaving early for a meeting of democrats over there handling of this scandal. Democratic leadership has shown where they are on the issue, who they are standing with. They dont speak for me, clearly. Hey honey, how was practice . Good. Mustve been hot out there today, huh . Yeah. Yeah. Why dont you go put that stuff in the laundry room right now . Ok. Do your athletes bring home big odors . Tide sport is super concentrated to beat even. The toughest stains and odors. Hey, buddy hey. 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There are reports that minority leader in the nancy pelosi along with members of the Congressional Black Caucus are pressuring him to step down. In fact, they are in a meeting right now. I just caught that on our urgent cue. He was photographed by a passenger boarding a flight to detroit from washington. Here is one of the federal democratic colleagues. We do need someone to factcheck everything and make a decision on whether these allegations are true. If they are true, they are disturbing. But somebody has to make that assessment. Thats not me. Harris meanwhile, House Speaker paul ryan suggested john conyers should consider resigning. I know what i would do if this happened to me. I will leave it up to him to decide what he wants to do. I think he made the right decision in stepping down from his leadership position. Harris the house is scheduled to vote on a bill it would require mandatory Sexual Harassment training for all members and staffers, including the men. Which some women on the hill have complained they were the focus of antiharassment training before and not enough of the men. Youve got that going on. Judge, your thoughts . Judge napolitano what we have not heard our denials from him. In the absence of denials and challenging or contesting the allegations, the allegations appear more and more credible and more likely that he is unworthy of holding a position of trust under the federal government. Harris compliance have said theyve received complaints about him. And then give the money trail. A pot of money that john conyers had access to, not just from the chain that had been created in congress. Melissa is this is about changing the culture on capitol hill, they need to implement new rules on how money and in Office Budget can be spe. Katie thats just the truth. Sexual harassment training is great, you cant blame people for not doing the rules, right . Breaking rules they dont know . It seems like a bandaid on a problem that really needs a cast. Harris your giving antiharassment training to potential victims of the actual katie they know the rules already they write Sexual Harassment laws. You think training would be any different . Melissa when they talk about training, it makes me want to vomit. What a joke. Sandra how could they act like they dont do the rules . Harris is it a start to at least come forth with something . Melissa this is why i dont like big government. You are ceding more decisions about everything. Family, health care, kids education, over to these idiots. Who claimed that they need Sexual Harassment training. These are the people who are going to decide what should be in my childs classroom . They are spending my tax dollars . Harris i want to get to this from kathleen rice. A representative who walked out of a caucus meeting a little while ago. She said she walked out because nancy pelosi and others were not taking this seriously enough. Lets watch. She spoke very briefly about things that female democratic members are doing, which i think are all great efforts. But lets talk about the big elephant in the room. Thats why i was done with the meeting. I dont have time for conversations that are not real. I for one am not going to stand in silence. Harris whoa. Judge napolitano shes a former prosecutor, a strong willed woman who takes a stand. Sandra lets have a real conversation. Unfortunately, shes telling us that they are not having one. Katie conversations about what . Not sexually harassing your subordinates . Harris not making the victim signed nondisclosure agreements and putting them in a gag order. Im all for talking about that. Judge napolitano i profoundly agree, the dangers of big government. For too long, the culture in washington has been we will write laws for everybody else but for us. Katie melissa and we kn. Judge napolitano no money shall be spent in unless publicly recorded in a journal. Katie they have to change the culture in the sense of may be not go out and drink too much after work with your colleagues on capitol hill. I mean, theres a whole i doubt they are going to talk about that. Harris thus some of the training weve seen in our career. Melissa no more christmas parties. Judge napolitano scrooge. Harris a hard turn to a topic we havent talked about much but we are going to the alleged libyan mastermind behind the 2012 terror attacks in benghazi that left four americans dead. Convicted of terror charges but cleared of murder. By a federal jury. It was justice served . Im so glad the judge is here. We will debated. You dont bring a terrorist and waste taxpayer money and give him a criminal trial. You put him in gitmo or you interrogate him and then you execute him. Thats how you deal with terrorists. Sandra a federal jury clearing the elected libyan mastermind of murder charges, ultimately saving him from the death penalty. He was convicted on four terror related accounts and now faces life in prison. Katie four americans, including a u. S. Ambassador were killed in the deadly attacks. The father of another victim on the far right side of your screen, blasting at the verdict. This is a total miscarriage of justice. An accessory to murder and also guilty of murder. It would also really bothered me about this case from the very beginning was the Previous Administration granted this foreign terrorist american constitutional rights. And that should not have happened. Katie one of the 6 million contractors in benghazi under siege had this to say. To allow a terrorist to have due process and to be covered under our constitution is completely ridiculous. Thats why i didnt testify. I didnt testify at the trial because it was really a sideshow. At the very best, he should have gotten a military trial. At his case, and the very best. In my case, he should have had a bullet in his head. Katie judge, what you think . Judge napolitano you cant just put a bullet in somebodys head unless they are shooting at you. The problem with a trial is the prosecutors can identify him. The other problem for the trial, our American Government bribed a libyan witness to a tune of 7 million to testify against him and then when the jury found found, they rejected what the witness said. And then overcharged they should have known they can prove murder. For these guys, execution makes them a martyr. Being what hes going to go, a windowless room in colorado is the ultimate indignity and far more primitive. Hell be there for the rest of his life. Punitive. Katie Lindsey Graham said he wanted to bring back tribunals for this. Clearly people file charges are not fully brought but the convictions arent as serious as they should be. That is a debate we are having. Harris the judge and i have talked about the situation of guantanamo bay. People we see in their havent seen cases go forward because they have too due process and some views. With some. Judge napolitano theres one waiting 16 years for his trial and the guilt is overwhelming. Harris we dont want to brush that under the rug. Part of the reason it hasnt move forward is because they have so much advocacy too. Judge napolitano the federal prosecutors in manhattan and new york city have a far better record of conviction i hate to say this because some of these guys are my buddies they had the gitmo prosecutors do. Harris what if they won every case . Judge napolitano there are about to go that did not win. Katie there is a record of success in getting some kind of conviction but not convictions on the most serious charges. In this case, murder. Judge napolitano the most serious charges shouldnt have been brought because the evidence wasnt there. Had they just bought the charges they could prove, these people that are upset i share their personal upset would be overjoyed. Sandra we havent even heard from all of them but from whom we have heard, outraged. Melissa that was tyrones father. No closer. Judge napolitano the worst thing the government could do in a case like this is to bring a charge. It would be great to get the conviction but when they know theres not enough evidence sandra thats why people argue the military court is a better option. Judge napolitano the standard approval is the same. I would challenge anybody to demonstrate these convictions are more likely in military court than civilian. Harris why not hear them there . Judge napolitano because of the dangerous precedent of deciding who goes there and who doesnt. Melissa i think of all the time they were calling and calling and trying to get help and not responding. Harris any time we look at a story about this, im taken back to that. Its just astounding. 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Millions of americans woke up this morning to nbc news firing longtime today show anchor matt lauer over what it calls, quote, inappropriate sexual behavior with a staffer. The network said someone came forward with a detailed complaint. They have reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident with matt lauer. Coanchor Savannah Guthrie fought back tears as she delivered the news of lauers swift dismissal at the start of the show. We are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks. How do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly . And i dont know the answer to