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And for the very first time in the center seat, 11 days into his retirement, former acting director of immigrations and customs enforcement, ice, tom homan. Here to talk about everything breaking news. Thanks for being here. Thanks for your service. Ice, a huge topic on this days. I cant wait to get your thoughts. Youre going to get plenty of them. You want to hell list to the miss . Hi to my wife and child and watching. Unfortunately theyre under a threat. Theyre safe. They have people surrounding them. Ill be home tonight. God bless. Know in your former role, thats part of the job. Glad youre here. The president not mincing words at the nato summit. Saying countries like germany are doing business with russia while they depend on the u. S. To help protect them. The president referred to a proposed pipeline that would double the amount of gas that goes to germany and calling on nato partners to do more in their own defense. Watch. Many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back where theyre delinquent as far as im concerned. The United States has had to pay for them. No other president brought it up like that. Something has to be done. Germany is totally controlled by russia. Theyre getting 60 to 70 of energy from russia in a new pipeline. You tell me if thats appropriate. I think its not. I think its a bad thing for nato and i dont think it should have happened. On top of that, germany is just paying over 1 . Whereas the United States in actual numbers is paying 4. 2 of a much larger gdp. So i think thats inappropriate also. A short time later, the president met with Angela Merkel. They didnt say much in the sitdown. Chancellor merkel insisted that germany is not controlled by russia. John roberts is live in brussels. Beautiful place there and the topics are hotter than fire. John . Yeah, good evening to you. Were finally inside the new nato headquarters. Looks like the interior of one of the imperial battle cruisers from star wars. This is what 1. 5 billion will buy you, which the president thought was outrageous. In the president pointing 0 it a double standard. Were paying 4 of our gdp. Countries like germany paying more than 1 . So is the original purpose of nato is to protect europe against russia. The president is miffed that germany will be buying a lot of gas from russia that will be coming down through these two new pipelines. The president got in a spirited exchange with the nato secretary general earlier today. Listen here. How can y you be the person against the protection . When we stand together, also dealing with russia, we are stronger. I think no. Youre making russia richer. Youre not dealing with them. Youre making them richer. In that bilateral meeting with Angela Merkel, the subject came up. The president did say that the meeting was cordial. Listen here. Were having a great meeting. Were discussing military expenditure. Were talking about trade. We have a very, very Good Relationship with the chancellor. We have a tremendous relationship with germany. Theyve been commended. I congratulate you. Tremendous success. I believe that our trade will increase and lots of other things will increase. The German Foreign minister had a very sharp response to the president saying in a state, were not captive, neither to russia or the u. S. A. Were one of the guarantors of the free world and that will remain the case. In his bilateral meeting with president macron, President Trump was asked if he believe if germany is held captive but russia. He didnt answer the question. He let Emmanuel Macron say in french that he believes germany is not held captive by russian. So a lot of tension between the United States and germany on this particular day. Were expecting a statement out of nato though. We understand, harris, that as this summit progresses, there should be by the end of it a communique showing strong solidarity between all of the 28 nato Member Nation and a strong commitment for everyone to meet that financial commitment of 2 of gdp to nato. Well see. Thats fascinating. I know after the last summit communique, not everybody abided by it. So well see if everybody signs on board means it and follows through. Thanks, john. Some very yeah, very big countries including france, germany, canada, italy and belgium, the home to nato, are nowhere near 2 . They have given themselves till 2024 to get there, which a lot of people think is slowwalking it. Well see. Thank you. Great to have you reporting on the program. Tom homan is with us. I would imagine when it comes down to having a clear message from the president , some of this must resonate with you in some degree because as leadership at ice, the president is also been very clear on where he stands. I think the president is doing his job, what he promised to do. Protecting the interests of this country. Thats what he should be doing, thats what he campaigned on. I support him. Sometimes hes coarse in the way he does it. So you heard about the time line. 2024 seems like a long way down the road. You think these countries are i dont know if you want to use the word honest but determined maybe is a better word to be clear and to share more and to come to the table with more cash. I think 2024 is a ways too much time. Being in the federal government, 34 years, the bureaucracy involved with solving issues like this, i understand the long timeline. But 2024, should be shortened faster. But nothing happens fast. Your experience about that. Lets talk about the money. The 2 . When you look at germany, i had a lawmaker tell me its about 51 billion or so theyre putting in. Less than 2 of their gdp. Its never fair. Our gdp is so much bigger. The money that i like to focus on is this gas pipeline. The president was genius to just take the lid off of this and bring it out for the whole world to look at. Youre looking at words on the left and actions on the right. You go over to nato and its the same thing. They talk tough about putin, but then their actions, they get into bed with him. You talk about collusion. Theyre rolling out this pipeline. You look, the former german chancellor is on the board of gazprom . Thats russias oil company. You want to talk about collusion. You have an individual from germany getting rich on this pipeline while the president is rolling out sanctions and in america theyre screaming at the president , you have to be tougher. You have to do more sanctions. You have to talk to her. Hes saying how can my sanctions be effective when youre rolling money in that direction in order to get your gas . Before we move on, i want to press in with you a little bit to put some dollar signs. What are we talking about in terms of that relationship between germany and russia . I know youre looking at it. Yeah. They talked about a 11 billion pipeline. Who knows. Its more of the percentage when you talk about the percentage of natural gas, which could be as much as 70 of germanys supply going that way. Makes them dependent on russia. Funnels money to russia at a time when everybody is screaming squeeze them with sanctions. How can you say that and then on the top of it to have an individual who was in the government enriching himself talk about collusion i want to piggyback on the energy front. It was merkels office that released the photo of her staring down President Trump, continue to drive the narrative that President Trump is at odds with his allies. Then what does merkel do with the pipeline . You estimate from 50 of above. Increases russias share in germanys gas market. As President Trump laid out, making them beholden to russia. That allows russia to have leverage over other european countries. They can cut off their gas to ukraine after the annexation of crimea. It gives russia leverage. So i find it ironic that its merkels office driving that narrative. Quick follow up with you. As we all did yesterday, as we learned that Angela Merkel says something to the effect. I was there. I know what it looks like to have a germany controlled by russia. Thats not what this is. That second part is paraphrased. But thats what she technically said. What is your response . Shes allowing herself to be beho beholden to russia. President trump is right to call them out on that front. In terms of nato, Kay Bailey Hutchison said on fox news sunday, were seeing the biggest increase in countries willing to pay their fair share with defense spending since the cold war. The president was criticized for making those points as trying to give leverage to russia. Instead, theyre enboldening the Nato Alliance. Marie, what risk do we run of being bold like this . The president says this is not a change in the truth. This is the fact that hes raising it now. Theres ways to raise concerns with our allies without alienating them. Bob corker said sometimes it feels like we punch our friends in the nose and hold our hands out to those that are working against us. My point would be, if you dont like the pipeline, raise it you dont think he has . This is not a president mincing his words. If you have a problem, raise it privately. When he says germany is controlled by russia . The language he uses which matters, melissa. It matters. Language or actions . The fact that donald trump says things all the time what happens when you draw red lines when you dont followthrough . Were not talking about barack obama. Were talking about donald trump. He kept his message one at a time. The Nato Alliance today, theyre concerned that donald trump will not have their back because of the way he attacks them in public. If he meets with president putin and he says nice things, that is bad for american can i respond to that . I said if. If he does, which hes done in the past, it will be a problem for our security. So tom, where you started with us today, acknowledging how sometimes the president puts things. I want to give you the last word on this. Look, i see no problem. I think transparency is a good thing. The world needs to no what is going on. Private discussions amount to nothing. Like the issues today. Transparency, talking to the American People, talking to the world about nato is the right format. And that whole thing with energy, i dont know everyday working americans like my family members, i dont know that they would know the details about the coziness between russia and germany with this energy. So it is a transparency that youre talking about. Were going to move on. So much more. Glad to have you. The trump cabinet secretary overseeing the process defending the administration. They work to reunite Migrant Children with their parents saying theyre operating in the best interests of the kids. Critics say otherwise. Plus, this comes as a group of democrats prepare a bill to effectively abolish ice. One congressman says the agency can no longer carry out its mission. Former acting ice director, tom, to my left has a lot to say about this. High protein to help get us moving. And help you feel more Strength Energy in just 2 weeks. Ill take that. Ensure high protein, with 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. Ensure® are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. The Trump Administration says here proceeding with caution and care to reunite families separated at the border. The administration faced a courtordered deadline yesterday. They reunited about half of the children under 5 with their families. Alex azar defending the pace of the process. We could put children back with individuals that are murders, kidnappers, rapists, but weve worked with the court to protect Child Welfare and make sure theyre that. If we havent done this work, if we hadnt done our work to protect Child Welfare by doing criminal background checks on these individuals, they would have been reunited in dangerous situations. Im proud of the work we do. I believe were saving kids lives here. Meanwhile, this comes as the government says theyll will release migrant families wearing angle bracelet monitors in the United States. One ice official telling the New York Times parents with children under the age of 5 are being reunited with their children and released and enrolled into an alternative Detention Program meaning they will be placed on an ankle bracelet and released into the community. Im glad that we have you here to talk about this issue. Ive heard you give some Straight Talk on this in the past. First of all, how hard is it to confirm that the people posing as parents are really those parents and how often do you see that it may be isnt the parents that are with the child . Different sides of the media believe Different Things . We talk about facts. Most instances that someone claims to be a parent, theyre not. Theyre part of trafficking. The numbers are astounding. As far as the story about hhs not working quick enough on reunification, you have a judge that made a decision, grabbed an arbitrary date, which was unreasonable. He doesnt understand the processes that hhs has to go through. Ncic, family checks. Make sure that these parents are good parents. Look at this 102 children under the age of 5. 26 of them werent reunited because of various issues. 16 of the 26 are because the parents werent fit. They have significant criminal histories. One had a conviction for murder, one for Child Cruelty and molestation. Take that out of the fix, another five that based on dna testing werent the parents. A couple parents came forward before the testing and said, im not the parent. So theres a lot of work to make sure the children are safe. Thats the number 1 concern that you dont read in the media. The number 1 concern of ice and doj is to make sure theyre safe. If youre going to release them, make sure theyre not a victim of trafficking. It takes time. You cant do it based on arbitrary dates set by a judge that doesnt understand the process. I mean, how do you feel about the fact that your agency or former agency is being attacked for basically abusing these children, for separating them from their parents when you hear about the conditions that theyre in . You hear people sort of raging over these poor children and you say that your number 1 concern there is the welfare of those children . How do you reconcile that . How do you feel about that and how do you respond to that . Couple things. The fine men and women that i consider american patriots, but very fact that like ice agents, they leave the safety and security of their home every day the defend this nation. Shame on anybody vilifying them. So these agents, they dont change diapers and make formula. Theyre doing a great job taking care of the kids until theyre handed off to hhs. These kids are being welltaken care of. Look at the underlying issue. Why do family separations even happen . Thats my question. Why separate them in the first place. Lets look at the problem. First of all, the parents of these children chose to enter illegally, which is a crime. All right . So under the zero tolerance policy, they will be prosecuted. That means they go to jail and child gets separated. Like any american family. I was a Police Officer in new york. If youre arrested for domestic violence, youre going to remove the children from the home. Its sad when the child cries, dont want you to take his daddy but you have to do your job and remove that threat and put them in jail. For these groups and these leftis leftists. They want better conditions for illegals than a United States citizen. And the forest settlement . Thats the underlying issue. When the crisis first started in fy14, when families started surging, secretary johnson was the secretary. I respected him. I said let me built family did tension centers. Theres no deterrence. Theyll keep coming. He did. We built them. So now were detaining the families in a family setting long enough to so a judge. Theyre claiming asylum. Rather than separating them. And most of them lost their cases. 80 of the cases are lost in immigration court. They got to see a judge, got a final order and we removed them. The first two plane fulls of family we sent back had immediate impact. Numbers dropped significantly on the crossings of the border. It wasnt until the ninth circuit came up, judge gee that said were going to start treating accompanied children with their parents as well as nonaccompanied children. As soon as that decision was made, it was a matter of days until the numbers climb. People heard that. The smuggling organizations use that and the numbers sky rocket again. So the Settlement Agreement was the underlying reason. If the democrats and congress that want to vilify the men and women of ice, they have a right to come in here and claim asylum, they have a right to due process, i agree. But lets do it and see a judge. Are 20 days long enough. A lot of questions that, you know, maybe democrats and republicans could work on together. I want to tap into your experience across six different administrations. You seen how other president s have handled this. Why hasnt it been solved until this point . The pictures of children in cages came from the Obama Administration in 2014 but they could have been previous to that, too. We have not significantly made a difference with this issue in decades. Why not . We actually have under President Trump. Im talking previous administrations. Before we got here. What is changing . I started working under up reagan. I respect every president i worked for. No president has done more for Border Security than President Trump. The first year he was in office and we were out there enforcing law the way were supposed to because he allowed us to through his executive actions. A number of illegal border crossings dropped to a 45year low. A fourdecade low. Thats not a coincidence. Thats because this president let ice do their job. Back to your original question. Is 20 days long enough . No. The courts dont work that quick. What happens, the families get reduced and they dont show up now they have ankle bracelets. Theyre changing the details many dont show up in court. The ones that do, when they get a final order of removal, they dont leave. Thats why we have a half a million fugitive aliens in the country right now. Marie, i want you to get in. Also to your question, congress could do something but they havent through the administrations. Tom, theres reports that people, adults have been sent back to their home countries while their kids have remained in hhs custody. Is that how the process should work . Seems like they should be reunited with their children before theyre deported. Because now we have essentially for look of a better term, orphans that will be put in foster care because their parents in another country dont know how to find them. That seems like they shouldnt the child go with them . If the parent wanted to, they could have made arrangements. I know a couple cases where the parent says no, i want my child here. Hes good to go. They can go to relatives, ill go back. What about where parents asked for children back and the children dont know how to find their parents . Is that what the u. S. Government should be doing . Thats fake news. Theres ive been doing this 34 years. You dont think its happen something. No. I can tell you hhs and ice is working closely. Ice is detaining parents. Every place the parent goes, their list and names are sent to hhs. Hhs sends the information back to the parents. Theyre making arrangements to communicate by phones. So the stories that are happening are not true . So you can pick a case where maybe somebody made a mistake in processing. The overall processes are worked. The bottom line is, the parents are separated because they chose to violate the laws of the country, commit a crime and enter illegally. If they enter through the port of entry, they still have the same legal protections, they still can climb asylum and not be separated. They chose. I know if i cross between the ports, its a crime. Im going to do it anyways. So the first blame is with the parents. The second is with the florist Settlement Agreement. The third is with congress. I was on the hill when we asked congress for a fix. Fix this agreement. Raise the standards of asylum that people are taking advantage of. Congress want to vilify ice. We gave them the fix months ago. We know what the problem is with congress. Theyre putting their political interests before public safety. They want this to be an issue in november. They can fix it if they want to. They dont want to fix it. They want the president to have a black eye in november. Were going to take a break. We have the rest of the hour here. We appreciate the questions and the input from everybody. We want to keep this going. We have more coming up with former acting ice director tom homan on the abolish ice movement. How does he feel about it and how hes former agency is being treated and how does he answer these questions. Plus, the president said that peter strzok and lisa page were getting cold feet ahead of their testimony this week. Page has backed out. How lawmakers plan to address that and whether shes facing legal trouble. She was a part of a mess that weve uncovered at doj. She has an obligation to testify. Real cheese people know good things come in threes. Sargento balanced breaks. Natural cheese, dried fruit and nuts. Three wholesome ingredients that are never, ever a crowd. Sargento balanced breaks. Find them in the sargento cheese section. 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Former fbi attorney lisa page known for the antitrump messages with her lover, peter strzok, wont appear at the closeddoor hearing on capitol hill. This defies a congressional subpoena. Her Attorney Says page needs more information from the committee to prepare. Saying in a statement, the committees would be asking lisa about materials that shes not yet been shown. In fact, lisa and i went to the fbi today to review the materials that were previously produced to congress relating to her proposed interview. After waiting more than three hours, we were not provided with any documents. Chairman Bob Goodlatte fired back with this. Then a short time ago, speaker of the house, paul ryan, said this. She was a part of a mess that weve uncovered at doj. She has an obligation to testify. If she wants to plead the fifth, thats her choice. A subpoena to testify is not optional. Its mandatory. She needs to comply and i stand behind the chairman. So she wont show. Its days before peter strzok testifies publicly for the first time on capitol hill. A lot going on. Youve look at these investigations. So curious to get your thoughts on this. First of all, i respect goodlatte very much. Hes on point here. Shes defying congress and her oath she took as an employee for a federal Law Enforcement agency. She should be testifying in front of congress and be transparent. Thats a part of her responsibility. I testified in front of Congress Many times. Many times i didnt want to testify in front of congress because theres certain people up there trying to beat us up and vilify us. Its my responsibility. Nobody had to subpoena me. Its a shame that she requires the subpoena. I think if she doesnt comply, she needs to be held accountable. One entering suggestion came from Jason Chaffetz that said why dont you put them down next to a table and depose them . Probably should do that and have them testify at the same time. I think she has a responsibility as someone that took an oath with a federal Law Enforcement agency to talk to congress. I think she will be made to talk to congress. Its unfortunate we have to go through this. She should do it willingly. She can claim the fifth. Its her right. But she has an obligation to the American People that paid her salary to be transparent. Lisa, what do you say about people needing more time for documents . The reason for not doing this she doesnt want to Face Congress because there was clearly the i. G. Report laid out in strzoks case a willing need to take action. So now they have to see what happened with the russia investigation and get to the bottom of that. Im interested in the next i. G. Report looking at the russia investigation to find any evidence of action taken. Thats the crux at the issue. What we continue to find out are more questions about things like were going to stop President Trump or as Molly Hemingway tweeting out and reported today, strzok wrote at gps fusion gps Glenn Simpson testified that he never communicated with the fbi. So we have these links and the questions. The big question is what action was taken to change the outcome of the russia investigation or is that the reason for the russia investigation to begin with. The bigger umbrella here which cuts across both parties is the idea that what happens when somebody inside like an Important Agency in our lives as the americans as the fbi and the doj, what happens when there is bias in this organization among employees. And this was a different kind of a working relationship, marie. They were lovers. Theres a lot of material there to read through and maybe one was trying to impress the other. We dont know. There was a said plan to keep the president out of the white house. They texted about something that we dont know what they were talking about. So i said yesterday and i said today, she should go before congress and answer questions. She should answer them. If theres so you have these two individuals that retained positions. Your last thoughts. I think these two individuals put a black eye on one of the finest Law Enforcement agencies in the world. I know a lot of fbi agents. I know a lot of senior managements. Its a great agency. We cant vilify the agency. You have great men and women there that do great work. These two need to come forward and Tell Congress what they know. Try to take the shadow off of the bureau. Its a great Law Enforcement agency. Until we find out what happened, the shadow hangs over the agency that does a very important job to do, mainly antiterrorism efforts. Let them get back to work and take the shadow off the fbi. Well see if that happens. Peter strzok on the hill tomorrow. 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Congressmen saying the ice brand has been so damaged by the president it can no longer accomplish its original mission. All democrats are not on board, including chuck schumer. Let me ask you. Besides the direct issue that were talking about here about people crossing the border, what are the other things that isodose that if somebody went ahead of abolish ice, what would happen . Lets talk about the border. Every person that crosses the border, nobody would look for them. Every person that gets caught and wants to see a judge, once the judge orders him removed, nobody will look for them. Thats open borders. Ice does more. We do drug trafficking, terrorism investigations. The most populated Law Enforcement. We do investigation about smuggling technology to countries that are not supposed to have it like weapons technology. We do significant Homeland Security investigations. The problem with the message from pocan and the others, theyre not looking at the facts. Everybody we arrested last year had a criminal history. Nine out of ten people had a criminal history. Were prioritizing that first. What schumer, gillibrand and pocan and durbin, they say ice lost their message. These are the same congressmen and senators that support sanctuary cities. They say concentrate on criminals. Were going to reach criminals from jail. Its incredible how theyre mismessaging to the American People whats going on. Were seeing somebody push legislation in representative, diane black. Shes trying to toughen that part of the language about criminalality. Youre looking at hardened crimes in the past. How would it help or make a difference for Something Like what congresswoman black is advocating for . I think it will help. It would be an added deterrence. I cant blame anybody for wanting to be the best country in the world but you cant be a part of this country and not respect the laws. Thats the way it should be. And the whole abolish ice movement, they dont understand the complexities what ice does. The worker with do. Senator gillibrand and cuomo wants cease and desist operations in new york. I try to educate them that we arrested 5,000 criminal aliens off of the street of new york, many that walked out of their sanctuary jails. When i was ice director, we pulled millions in the northern border for ice, hsi to work with local sheriffs and chief of police to fight the Opioid Crisis and the Child Predator crimes. Ive done more for the state of new york than they have as far as the safety of the state. So ice protects their communities. Abolishing ice is not going to happen. I think its going to hurt them in november. Got so much more to get to. A report finds more Police Officers killed in the line of duty this year. What is behind it and how can we better protect them. No matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. Call one today. Are you in good hands . 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A new report finding that 73 officers were killed in the line of duty in the first part of the year. More than half killed in all of 2017. 7 more than this same time period last year. The report finding if the pace continues through this december, there would be a 13 increase from 2017. Tom, youre a former Police Officer, longtime Law Enforcement. How are you looking at these numbers . What do you a tribute the increase to . I think a lot of it started in the last administration. I think theres been attacks on Law Enforcement. Part of it started in ferguson. I think the public has been conditioned in the last decade to they have a right not to comply with Law Enforcement. They dont have a right to not comply. If you dont like the actions, take them to court. But an officer will arrest you, you better comply. I can tell you that slowly detearated the last decade. The public is watching what happens in washington d. C. What i just discussed, you have dick durbin, you have senator gillibrand making a statement that ice officers are incompetent. These are Law Enforcement. Men and women that leave their home every day and put their lives on the line for a little bit of money. Were not asking for a break. Were asking for respect. For them to call Law Enforcement officers incompetent. You know what that is . Incompetent is when a u. S. Senator wants a Law Enforcement officer to ignore the law rather than fix it. I think incompetence is when your senator vilifies the men and women enforces the law that he enacted. Rather than congress fixing laws, they want to get villified. Thats incompetence at the base. And rahm emanuel who said i was going to say theres a big leap between politicians criticizing a Public Agency and more Police Officers getting killed. That makes me nervous. 31 were fire related, 21 traffic causes. Its a big leap im not making a leap. Im saying the america i grew up in, i grew up in a small town upstate new york. Police officers were respected and revered. I started deteriorating with social media. Im saying it doesnt help when you have dick durbin vilifying Law Enforcement, calling us incompetent. Shame on you. Real quick. What role did Law Enforcement play in that . Do they play in role in that push back and the disrespect . Is there more Law Enforcement they could be doing . No. I think Law Enforcement is doing everything they can theyre reaching out to communities, doing community policing. I think its the last decade. Ive seen so Much Movement away from respect for Law Enforcement. You have protesters showing up at my house after i retire. We have to go. Sorry. Well be back in a minute with more outnumbered. Stay tuned. [amateur saxophone practicing] as a parent youre supportive of whatever it takes for your kids to be successful. 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The summit got off to a rocky start perhaps by some of our allies come they would describe it that way. Lets go to outnumbered overtime. I am harris faulkner. At any minute, the president will meet with those who recalled the family photo. It happened in brussels ahead of the working dinner, and it was a little bit bumpy today. The president slammed americans allies about their defense contributions, cash, and not