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Youre watching outnumbered. Im harris faulkner. Here today, melissa francis. Democratic strategist and Fox News Contributor jessica tarlov. Most of kennedy on fox business kennedy. And in the center say, welcome back the editor in chief of the daily caller news foundation, a civilian salute to Christopher Bedford is in the house. Chris great to be here. On a beautiful rainy monday. Ive got a lot of work to do. Melissa he looked panicked when you said that. Its catching up. Harris lets get to the news. As we begin some of the white house is going offense against the anonymous author of that opinion editorial who claims to be part of the resistance within the trump administration. Vice president pence telling Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday the unnamed author should do the right thing and resign, adding that he some of the Vice President himself would be willing to take a Lie Detector Test. I dont know, but i do know that they should resign and leave his administration. Should all top officials take a Lie Detector Test and would you agree to take when . I would agree to take in a heartbeat and would submit to any review. The Vice President also was confident no one in his office had a hand in that oped piece. In on 100 confident that no one on the Vice President staff was involved in this anonymous editorial. I know my people. They get up every day and are dedicated just as much as i am to advancing the president s agenda. Harris is not just the white house. Even some democrats say the unnamed author should step down. Chris i agree with that position. I think the honorable thing is to resign and go public with the authors concerns about the president s fitness to serve. Harris you know its interesting about this among other things is that anybody who quits now is going to be looked like it was the person. Chris theyre looking all over, my favorite mystery game of the year i think. Find this guy, finest lady if it a couple of really cool names, but im not going to share them because i dont know for a fact, just kind of guesswork. It would be interested to know if the white house is interested in searching around new york city where they have the united nations, it was such a Foreign Policy centered article and i threw some words out there the kind of made it seem like Vice President mike pence could be guilty which i dont believe it all. Jessica which i think we were all googling frantically but hes been using it since the early 2,000, president pence has been writing in public. Chris seems like intentional misdirection or incredibly clumsy move. Kennedy our people are finally realizing that Vice President pence would be president pence and thats starting to dawn on people and less this person directly targeting the Vice President and making sure that there is now a rift between the president and Vice President because he has been playing a very solid quiet game and he really is the silent ninja and if the president is in fact removed from office somehow. Harris up until this week and when he had to get on the record again and Margaret Brennan said she would turn the cameras back on for him to double down on because the first answer was a little ambiguous. So hes much more vocal right now. Melissa i worry that this is sort of a cheap trick by the New York Times and i wonder if when we finally hear the name of this person, if it ends up being the sort of a low level person that nobody has ever heard of, do you have to ask yourself when this mystery ends, would this have gotten so much attention if it had been printed with the persons name. Vesely if it was someone like pence or it wouldve gotten even more attention. But if it comes out with this name that no ones ever heard of and ends up being 1 of hundreds of bureaucrats or whatever in government, then you say to yourself it wouldnt have gotten any attention and thats just a dirty trick. It harris to me, the bigger issue isnt whether or not we find out this persons name right away, it is length of time it takes in all the things that go on in the interim. For instance, if there is someone who is in the oval office pushing against an elected president of the United States and there would be no other kind they would probably push against is hard because theyre trying to unseat with the people put into place, that to me is the bigger issue and the longer this goes on, how many more shenanigans could that person pull . Kennedy what else is funny as chris coming out acting so outraged. I really agree, the right thing to do, the only reason he wants to know who this person is a so they can divulge more information on the record because the story is going to fizzle out. Even if we never find out who it is, theres going to be another story because we are not talking about the book at all. Everyone is hyper focused on this and that has to really frustrate bob woodward. Harris he questions the judgment. Kennedy they want to go on the record. Jessica he is getting tweeted about by the president directly saying he either lies in the clouds are made up and now hes gone out and said theyre absolutely not made up. I think he feels like he could be getting more time. Michael wolff got a lot more attention and bob woodward actually does research and so he should deserve a lot more attention than that but interesting what you just said about whats going to happen about the person who is pushing against a duly elected president , with the oped read to me as is someone who felt that they were serving their country by being in there. Harris it better be ending president because they are making decisions on our behalf as the people and they dont even have the integrity to tell us who they are. If jessica i think they should not personally not a fan of the never trumped the ball even as a liberal. It is different when it comes from a republican. We know about partisanship, we know what its going to be a democrat but when is an never trumped or an oldfashioned neocon for instance he was inside the administration pushing for Foreign Policy oriented, Foreign Policy decisions would be getting from mitt romney, from john mccain that youre getting Something Different from the president , who has a different flavor to it but all of these people, it is a swamp. When you read it like that, it doesnt read as a never trumped. I understand thats where i went first but its his group of people in washington who have held onto power and is being threatened now. Harris kellyanne conway, pounds counselor was on meet the press. The president should have real concern about having large meetings where sometimes there are people included or substituting for other people that maybe he doesnt know well and i think every president deserves to have a leakfree ridiculous anonymous oped free white house. Harris one thing i want to ask you about and i did ask on friday about this at the white house, do you further the life span of this oped by calling it treason or saying that its a National Security risk or do see it is that . I think of this is actually a risk and it shows the complete lack of understanding of how u. S. Government is supposed to operate, this selfrighteous person who was in the government actively resisting the administration, the duly elected president. Saying theyre doing is over the health of the United States, take it upon themselves. That seems too far. Whoever this person is doesnt do themselves any credit, because now theres a witch hunt. Now they have this really grandiose plan to resist the president , why would they out it . Why would they let the whole world know when that these people be snuffed out . Kennedy of the president is so dangerous, but yourself out there and make those claims. If this is someone who is a grave threat to the republic, that you have an obligation to let people know. Just like the Obama Administration had an obligation to let more people know that russia was trying to infiltrate a president ial campaign. Jessica is very serious to say that it was a criminal act and they need to have evidence to back that up. You cant throw that around. If harris im one of the outliers who said we shouldnt call the person anonymous because the New York Times knows who it is and anonymity is when no one knows who you are ad this is just unnamed. So eventually, i would guess we are probably going to find out who it is. In the meantime, i know about one thing, were going to move on. Hurricane florence is gaining strength as a dangerous category four storm, a ramp up from a Tropical Storm to now, taking aim on the east coast. We will have the latest track on a powerful hurricane and when it might hit land. And President Trump reportedly is ready to declassify documents related to the fbis russia investigation. At the request of those 12 House Republicans who want to look into how the bureau handled the investigation before the 2016 election, interesting points, stay close. I also agree with those members who have called upon the president to declassify the documents that are necessary for the American People to see what was going on in 2016 and early 2017 regarding the disparate way the fbi handled these two major investigations. Ok everyone our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition. For strength and energy whoohoo greattasting ensure. With nine grams of protein and twentysix vitamins and minerals. Ensure. Now up to 30 grams of protein for strength and energy happy anniversary dinner, darlin. Can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra . Oh yeah one bottle has the grease cleaning power of three bottles of this other liquid. A drop of dawn and grease is gone. 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Presume that a major hurricane is going to hit right smack dab in the middle of South Carolina. Melissa joined me and i was meteorologist adam class with more on this one. This is a rapidly intensifying storm from a category two to three and now for. You can see the eye of the storm right they were spinning still long ways away, there still time for this to move a little bit come a time for more information to come in but here are current tracks and youre looking at this thing a category four as it runs from well out working its way closer and closer to the coast. The timing on is currently taking you all the way into thursday morning 8 00 a. M. When is still up there high enough to make this a category four storm as it approaches the shore. When will it be doing so . Currently, models are suggesting sometime between thursday early afternoon into thursday evening even overnight. Still a long way away so for a time for this to speed up or slow down as it has that direction but it is going to be a powerful storm. All of our current models suggest this will stay a category for which means winds are going to be a big concern with this one. We talk about a four storm, anywhere from 156 miles an hour as that makes landfall. Going to be one of the big issues with the storm. Now where exactly is it going to go . A lot of these tropical models are in tight agreement here as we continue to work our way towards the coast. Typically a bought this far off, you have a good idea if youre heading towards the carolinas, South Carolina and North Carolina anywhere there from myrtle beach up towards the outer banks. Still need to be out next her high alert obviously anywhere across the south you should be paying attention with this. When you get closer to shore, there is a little bit more indecision. Is it going to cover for a little while, is it going to run inland, but something will need a couple of days to work out but if it does have are along the shore, that means more rain. Part of the reason for that, the water is just so warm. You need a degree water to fuel the storms. 85 degrees is what is allowing this to continue to get bigger and stronger and really feel a lot of that rainfall were going to be talking about. If it sits for a little bit come on there could be areas where we are talking about 2 feet of rain, maybe more than some of these spots so that does hit right along the coast, its going to become a major rain event as well with the wind. Obviously the surf is going to be a big storm and we do still need a couple of days to get a better idea where exactly this is going to hit right now, we are targeting thursday afternoon into thursday overnight as a possible landfall for the syste system. Melissa wow, thank you. President trump expected to declassify documents related to carter page and bruce ohr according to a new report. The documents relate to surveillance of the former Campaign Advisor and the Justice Department official bruce ohrs contact with christopher steele. If the former British Intelligence agent who put together a dossier on then candidate trump. House republicans have been arguing for months of the documents prove antitrust bias within the doj. Here is House Committee chairman bob goodlatte. We are digging them out one at a time and we are making a lot of progress. We did not waste the august recess. We interviewed a number of key witnesses including bruce ohr and now we are proceeding to get additional documents from the fbi had lined up additional witnesses. Melissa chairman goodlatte also renewing calls for us Second Special counsel to investigated the fbis handling of Hillary Clintons emails and into the truck campaign. Chris, i would say in this case, it all comes down to follow the money. The money comes from the dnc or the Clinton Campaign it goes to fusion gps and then into the bank account of bruce and nellie in order to create a document which then brews or carries back to the fbi. No matter what happens to it from there, all of that is not good. Chris is not, its paid for Opposition Research and being taken seriously as a reason to surveillance american. To surveillance americans. Melissa doesnt get any better i dont think. Jessica incredibly different when you talk about Opposition Research happens during campaigns. We do when youre talking about an fbi official getting paid through the bank account of his wife by the democrats in order to create this fake dossier and then him taking it back inside the fbi, if that was then used to surveillance anyone, doesnt even matter who we are talking about here, thats really egregious. Kennedy this cannot be how the systems operate. And i understand there are marriages in d. C. Where you have one person who works, one person who works for government but the point is when it can affect the outcome of the president ial campaign or if it can create a constitutional crisis as it is certainly still has the ability to, then you absolutely need to disclose informal documentation who youve interviewed, who youre married to, what youve talked about, and what is the connection between christopher steele. May be something in his dossier that is legitimate, theres a lot of its illegitimate but this is a person who has so much antitrust passion. He hated the president so much. Melissa began just say its about marriages. Kennedy i think it has to be disclosure and thats one of the problems here as bruce ohr not disclose. Melissa my husband is in finance. If i go on the business channel and i talk about a pump up some stock or something thats going to benefit him, thats benefiting me because we are married and we have joint asset assets. Youve to share information when you cross it as a result. As a bigger deal. Kennedy the system was set up to bolster that information sharing to make peoples lives difficult so they have almost no recourse. And that is what we are seeing here and im still surprised that bruce ohr has a job. Harris s a lot of questions bubbled up. One of them would be dozen that already exist . And did he break the rules by not disclosing . I cant believe you have to do that a corporation. As melissa just said coming up to put all your cards on the table as a corporation. He dont have to do that at the fbi. The other thing that is sort of making my brain itches the fact that this is what they do to somebody with some power, someone wanting to be the president of United States and with some finances, how is the fbi as a whole then treating others around these issues of conflicts of interest and so on and so forth. It just makes me ask the question of if there is no rule in place and he didnt break it, we got a bigger problem. Chris is actually primary documents, so much of what has been given out so far to the public has been with the republicans think this says, the democrats think this says. We had to draw our own conclusions and play detective and now we are going to get some primary documents here if these are declassified, that will be a gold mine. Jessica weve been saying that for months and thats an important point. Even on both sides of the aisle, is classified information is going to be released because of this and we need to protect National Security first and foremost. Kennedy that song again so we have to protect sources and methods have become a shield of opacity and that they can. Harris can we trust him and his team to know what theyre doing . Jessica i would hope so. Then yes. I agree and i am totally with you on the disclosure friend here. I dont think that we can move to a world in which people are penalized professionally because of who theyre married to. Harris im just confused about classification. Kennedy of your profiting off that marriage in order to bring someone down to be an impediment to your agenda, thats problematic. That has nothing to do with the marriage. Jessica that is what has happened. Im not fighting with you about this. Im saying we should release it, im saying it is normal for us to be concerned about the release of classified information. If the president is only doing today since he said as option forever. Melissa we are waiting for the first major address by National Security advisor john bolton. He is expected to outline the National Threats facing the country. We are going to take you live to washington just as soon as he begins. Plus, he is back president obama ahead of the midterm. If white democrats and even some republicans are fired up about his return. A veteran who may have served in my time during the vietnam era, would be eligible today for a va home loan, so many do not know that. Theres no Expiration Date on your eligibility for the va home loan. Every veteran, every Service Member out there if youre thinking about buying a home, if youre thinking about a cash out refi, whatever youre thinking with a mortgage, you should come to newday usa first. Call 18777763063. If youre a veteran, own a home and need money for your family, call newday usa to use your valuable va home loan benefit. Thank you, admiral. It lets you borrow up to 100 of your homes value. Thank you, admiral. With todays rising home values, that could mean more money for you and your family. 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Is a consequential moment in our history and the fact is that if we dont step up, things can get worse, but the good news is in two months, we have a chance to restore some sanity in our politics. Kennedy Vice President pence slamming obamas return to the public stage. It was very disappointing to see president obama break with the tradition of former president s and becomes a political and roll out same tired arguments that he and liberals have made over the last eight years. The truth is, the American People in 2016 rejected the policy and direction of barack obama when they elected president donald trump. Kennedy while senator Lindsey Graham warns that his attack will backfire and can actually help President Trump get reelected in 2020. So theyre trying to turn president obama into nancy pelosi. Chris i dont know what the democrats are thinking here because the midterm elections are based elections, you get your active is going on the people who really care about the party much more than the general elections and the democrats of california are fired up. They hate President Trump, the going to do anything they can to resist, to hurt the Republican Party and the people who have a base is not really paying attention as the Republican Party. Theyre sleepwalking into this and if you bring back the bogeyman of president barack obama, thats going to get people making more excited to say i dont want to go back to that. So its a risk with more downsides and possible rewards. Jessica i totally disagree with you. If you look at the enthusiasm gap, it is a very democrats but there plenty of republicans in these primaries who are fired up to get there as well. Thats why republicans are talking about impeachment and other bad things are going to happen the president jumped at the democrats take the house. If president obama did oversee the loss of some seats while he was president but he was one of the best speakers of either party. He connects with an audience. He does fire up a base. Kennedy a very problematic legacy. Jessica i dont think that for today whats going on at president from the president obamas legacy may be for some democrat socialist, maybe for those that are out there for Bernie Sanders its complicated. Everything that his image and what he represented in terms of this matters. Melissa it is what he represents because its interesting when he gets up there and he talks about that there is this group that has a death grip on power and that they dont want to give it up and that he was progress and this is going back. When he says about breaking the grip of the ruling class, to me and i think to a lot of people, you hear washington politician. The ruling class that has a death grip on power and controlling what goes on in this country, controlling tax dollars, thats everybody on both sides of the aisle that lives in washington and when he speaks two different sides here totally Different Things and for republicans not even republicans, for people who hate washington, you hear him talking and you realize you dont know that the revolution was about you. It was about to lead us in washington who were Holding Onto Power for my family what is right than i do. If kennedy as president obama is talking, hes essentially saying that President Trump is a system, not the cause but then you could argue that president obama was the cause. The pendulum to swing into this system of his presidency that is antithetical to how president obama comported himself and a lot of his ideas which are being dismantled. Chris when he was president , when he was running the country, there had to be opeds and hotcakes every two years every time there was an election that said when president Barack Obamas name itself is in on the ballot, doesnt seem to have much of an impact, he was incapable of helping democrats and now i dont see him having any more power coming back from the dead. To be question how much trouble the democrats are in within their own problem the mech party if they had to go to barack obama to bring them forth. He made the point jessica that he didnt get out of the campaign trail. He didnt make the promise that President Trump is making to get out there in seven days a week to help candidates win. He didnt do that and they lost 1,000 or more national and state seats. If so what does it mean that this is the man at the party willing to let her come back and take center stage, is there no one else that your party has . Jessica there are a lot of other people but we are running a series of local elections. We know they are very conflicting figures of the top, nancy pelosi cannot show up at a rally in ohio. Thats not going to go well. You have people like tim ryan out there. Really listening to him. He brings out the soaring ideals for which he was elected upon. I think people do connect to that. Harris im going to break in with breaking news, National Advisor john bolton in washington just being introduced now, hes going to be talking about the International Criminal court and whether or not it is moving to investigate the u. S. And israel and much more, lets watch. At the time, was there, he was nominated to be solicitor general by president nixon and ralph winter said looking at that nomination that the first sentence in the New York Times story the next morning should be yesterday, president nixon appointed as his new solicitor general 20 of all the conservatives at yale law schoo school. So obviously times have changed due in no small part to the federalist society. And im really grateful for this opportunity. Im here to make a major announcement on u. S. Policy toward the International Criminal court or icc. After years of effort by selfstyled Global Governance advocates, the icc, a supranational tribunal that could supersede national sovereigntys and directly prosecute individuals for alleged war crimes was agreed in 1998. For icc proponents, this supranational independent institution has always been critical to their efforts to overcome the perceived failure of nationstates. Even those with strong constitutions representative governments and the rule of law. In theory, the icc holds perpetrators to the most egregious atrocities accountable for their crimes. It provides justice to the victims and deters future abuse abuses. In practice, however, the court has been ineffective, unaccountable, and indeed, outright dangerous. Moreover, this is a code pink my friends who follow me around. I apologize for the background noise, but there we go. Moreover, the largely outspoken but always central aim of its most vigorous supporters was to constrain the United States. The objective was not limited to targeting individual u. S. Service members, but rather americas senior Political Leadership in its relentless determination to keep our country secure. The icc was formally established in july, 2002 following the entry into force of the statue. In may 2002, president george w. Bush authorized the United States to unsigned the statute because it was fundamentally in the legitimate. The icc and its prosecutor had been granted potentially enormous essentially unaccountable powers and alongside numerous other glaring significant flaws, the International Criminal court constituted an assault on the Constitutional Rights of the American People in the sovereignty of the united state United States. In no uncertain terms, the icc was created as as a freewheelig Global Organization claiming jurisdiction over individuals without their consent. According to the statute, the icc has authority to prosecute, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes of aggression. It claims automatic jurisdiction, meaning that i can prosecute individuals even if their own governments have not recognized, signed, or ratified the treaty. Thus, american soldiers, politicians, civil servants, private citizens and even all of you sitting in this room today are purportedly subject to the courts prosecution. Should a party to their own statute to the chief prosecutor suspected of committing a crime within a state or territory that is join the treaty. To protect american Service Members from the icc, in 2002, Congress Passed the american Service Members protection act which at the time, some dubbed the invasion act. This law which enjoyed broad bipartisan support authorizes the president to use all means necessary and appropriate including force to shield our Service Members in the armed forces of our allies from lcc prosecution. It also prohibits several forms of cooperation between the United States and the court. I was honored to lead the u. S. Efforts internationally to protect americans from the courts unacceptable overreach starting with on signing statut statute. At president bushs direction, we next watched a Global Diplomatic Campaign to protect americans from being handed over to the icc. We negotiated over 100 binding Bilateral Agreements to prevent other countries from delivering u. S. Personnel to the icc. It remains one of my proudest achievements. Unfortunately, we were unable to Reach Agreement with every nation in the world, particularly those in the european union. For the Global Governance dogma is strong. And last fall, our worst predictions about the iccs professed and overbroad prosecutorial powers were confirmed. Harris thats security advisor and ambassador john bolton talking about something that started years ago when he was appointed by president george w. Bush to push against the International Criminal court from overreaching and of reaching his hand across the nation to come out or across the oceans to come after our nation. If he continues that today with new policy. He says this is a major announcement now and how the United States will protect itself and israel from the overreach of the International Criminal court. He describes what was put in place to do in july of 2002 and now it has kind of had migrated from the original cause and imposes a challenge if not a danger to the way that we operate in so hes looking at protecting the United States and israel. He is also expected to make another critical announcement today which the state department got on the record with just a few minutes ago and that is that they are pushing to close the Palestine Liberation Organization general offices in washington, d. C. They do not feel that the palestinian leadership is doing what it can to move towards peace. So the answer back to that is to close those general offices in washington, d. C. We are watching this, we will bring it to you more as it makes news, but those are the points now that are being made by the National Security advisor john bolton. Moving on, north korea is celebrating its 70th anniversary with the usual big military parade. This year, it featured no Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles and according to general jack keane here at fox news, that is a good sign. For the trump administrations Nuclear Talks with kim jong un. Hi, im joan lunden with a place for mom, the nations largest seniorliving referral service. 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Now you an talk to a doctor online and get Free Shipping at getcontravenow. Com. Melissa north korea held its usual big military parade to celebrate its 70th anniversary with one conspicuous absence this year, the parade featured no Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles instead, the celebration emphasize the economy with civilians groups such as nurses, students, and construction workers at the forefront on the parade. President trump praised kim jong un for the change and tweeted this is a big and very positive statement for north korea. Thank you to chairman kim. We will both prove everyone wrong. There is nothing like good dialogue from two people that like each other. Much better than before i took office. Kennedy i think the whole thing is very interesting, very subtle. Very selfeffacing. This whole thing is interesting because north korea has really gotten a taste of how great it is to be south korea and with the two leaders meeting and the hope within both of these countries that there is one Korean Peninsula and the most exciting thing about south korea is their economy and their capitalism and the forward looking they have kapok, north korea wants to participate in that. Its much more boring being the ostrich headed hermit kingdom with your face varied. Jessica the people are a lot more angry. Chris i wonder how serious this is. If they show themselves to be very savvy and dealing with President Trump who was a visual person, putting Nuclear Weapons and is parade would be such a talk to President Trump right on the television screen, make it very, very angry but theres a lot of questions about whether or not theyre still developing these weapons. We know theyre moving them around the country to this is a visual sign of the president that they are still doing something but its simply a symbol. Harris there was a letter from second of state mike pompeo on friday and he has that letter, giving it to the president now, once we get the reporting from if we get some detail from what was in that letter, it does speak to the issue of how far along we are in this whole thing this is the summit. I think thats important to know. The president had stopped any sort of meeting a couple of weeks ago wanting to survey. North korea knows of it doesnt stick to it, the communications are going to be cut. So he allows secretary of state pompeo on friday to move and get this letter and to get things moving again. I think its really important to watch what comes out of that communication. Jessica the other piece of the puzzle here is china which has even more of an effect on what goes on and on the Korean Peninsula than we would. So what president xi is going to do. Kennedy any time theres a positive development between the United States and north korea, thats when china stepped in and north korea becomes belligerent once again. Hopefully things will keep moving in a positive direction because this is one of the areas were president obama left his Foreign Policy in shambles. Melissa more reaction to the Serena Williams controversy after her outburst at the womens final. We are going to break down what happened at the u. S. Final this weekend. Your brain changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Woman where are we taking him . I have no clue. Were just tv doctors. If this was a real emergency, id be freaking out. We are the tv doctors of america. Together with cigna reminding you to go, know, and take control of your health. Schedule your annual checkup today. Kennedy the Womens Tennis Association supporting the Serena Williams after she called an umpires penalties against her sexism. The first violation occurred when the umpire scott at the coach making hand signals from the stands, then serena smashed her racket. Thats when she called the umpire a thief. Serena weighed in on the whole thing after the match. Watch. I have seen other men call other umpire is several things and im here fighting for womens rights and for womens equality and for all kinds of stuff, and for me to say thief and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. Kennedy is sexism at work here, man on the couch . Chris im the most outnumbered i felt yet. In sports, you can get really heated. You can lose your temper. They call it the sin bin and rugby, ive got it a few times, my coach was really mad. She went off the handle here and men have been punished before in tennis but its probably true. The aggression and outburst from female athletes is less tolerated because its considered less normal than for a man. Kennedy thats what james blake said. But you werent there. Melissa i was there, with my kids who went to the whole thing sobbing, they were totally distraught. Because it was so emotional. It played very differently in person and i will say that it felt like she was getting penalized and hammered and things were being taken away from her. It felt like a soccer was playing better but we know serena as someone who comes back in the end. It seems like the umpire was dealing with things that made no sense based on the situation. Im not a tennis pro, but i understood her outrage. I would also say that when i read the coverage the next day, it seemed like a lot of the people that were writing opinions. Actually they are what you dont realize is that all of the billing was at the umpire and that people in the stands felt like both women had been robbed. Osaka more than anyone else because her victory was made to feel like it wasnt legitimate and she played amazingly, but for Serena Williams, it really did i know people say shes a complainer, she was a bad sport. It really did seem like the punishment was so much bigger than the crime that was going on there. And both of their coaches really were signaling. Harris youre in the fourth quarter, the last 20 seconds and youre inside the red zone and an nfl game. If something happens with the coach and they penalize the team with a touchdown. The opposing team. Melissa they gave a whole game. Harris then you have to ask is whats being done commensurate with the behavior . We have all seen john mcenroe, he has had some outbursts and your right, there have been penalties. If you have a basically gave him a shoulder rub and that he was a fan. Harris all of it robbed both women as you say. It really did because did that one day make a difference at that point and you could ask it for either woman. Its complicated. Melissa it did end up being unfair to all the players. There is a rule that for every infraction, it gets bigger. Kennedy for every infraction, there is a reaction. We have more outnumbered in a moment. Stay here. Make a smart choice. Replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna. Made with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar. And end the day with a smile. Glucerna®. Everyday progress. Glucerna®. If youre waiting patiently for a liver transplant, it could cost you your life. Its time to get out of line with upmc. At upmc, livingdonor transplants put you first. So you dont die waiting. Upmc does more livingdonor liver transplants than any other center in the nation. Find out more and get out of line today. Melissa we are back here tomorrow. You have endured a lot of conversation here on the couch. During the break we were talking about men and women, who is stronger. You held your tongue, you survived. Jessica that will serve you well. Melissa we will be back here tomorrow, heres harris. Harris we havent had to say it like this during this hurricane season, but now we do. The east coast is now bracing for what could be a lifethreatening storm. We are on the watch. Lets go outnumbered overtime, im harris faulkner. Forecasters say her again florence is expected to make landfall this thursday. Wins about 130 miles for per h, it could strengthen even more. States of emergency declared in North Carolina, South Carolina, and now virginia. Adam fox with mark, adam . This is a powerful storm, just