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I wont bother with that. Dr. Siegel, let me start with you. What you think about this idea of things reopening . What do we have to keep in mind . Dr. Siegel there are two things we have to keep in mind, melissa. One is what areas of the country were talking about. If we are talking about areas that are hot spots, im more concerned. Michigan, theres a lot of pressure for michigan to reopen, but its 37,000 cases in michigan. Georgia, weve been talking about the georgia governor pushing surgeon reopening, but there is 22,000 cases in georgia, 30 increase over the past week. In florida, beaches are reopening, but people are too close together on beaches. The number one point is, can we reopen parts of the country that are less involved, and can we do in a way, like dr. Birx says, where we preserve things weve learned about social distancing, about disinfecting, about washing hands . The new normal, cannot remain in place . Its doubtful to me, because people just go into denial and reject it. Second point is we have to do this with massive testing. I want to know who has this virus, whos been exposed to it, whos getting over it, and who might spread it to a neighbor if we are going to be open things. When we reopen things, we need more information. Melissa there were a lot of points in there. Lets break down some of them. You mentioned dr. Deborah birx. Lets hear that asked dominic exact statement from her nope, okay, we dont have that right now. So, she said we need to stay apart, that we need that social distancing, as you said. And you dont think we can really do that. For some businesses, i dont know that it makes sense for them to reopen if you insist on the social distancing. For example, for restaurants. You make the tables really far apart, can they make enough money to make it worthwhile to reopen . What do you say to stuff like that, dr. Siegel . Dr. Siegel melissa, youre the economics expert. First of all, though, i will say i think we can reopen piece by piece, and preserve social distancing. Look, a restaurant that is doing take out only can figure out a way to reopen by reorganizing things. Its much better for the restaurant to have people in the restaurant and then to remain on this take out only were completely closed. I dont know exactly what rules of social distancing we are going to need going forward. We say 6 feet, but that virus spreads even farther than 6 feet. All of it has to do with knowing who has it and what areas of the country were talking about. Montana, there are so few cases. Why should we have the same rules in place for montana or nebraska or north dakota . I think the bulk of this covid19 is in the northeast, the bulk of it, and the west coast. Some of it in cities, sporadically. Most of it is in cities and we have to take that into account. I do think we have to reopen restaurants with social distancing. Melissa we tend to have an urban centric point of view, because thats where we are. Lara, youre in a different part of the country, of course. What i things like where you are, and what are the expectations as things reopen . Lara its very interesting that you say that, melissa, because its exactly what i was thinking about as i was listening. While people say some of us live miles and miles and miles apart. In fact, a lot of us. Its not just in texas. I am in hill country outside of austin in san antonio, but youre talking about montana, missouri, theres lots of othere far apart, and social distancing is kind of built into the lifestyle. That said, of course, nobody wants to see a spike in this virus. Nobody wants to see it return. Nobody wants to be responsible for sending it back to the cities and back to other parts of the country where people are vulnerable. And there are a lot of retired people that live in communities like mine, and across the center of the country. But there is something here that is being left out of the conversation. When i talk to people, what they say is, this is the most drastic measure weve ever seen in our lifetime. It doesnt matter whether they are young or old. Its the most extreme form of restriction that anyone has experienced, and the consequences are extreme. What they want to hear is more conversation about that, about all the stores that are not going to reopen, all the people who are still going to lose the house. About people who will die years from now, when there are no reported, no new stories about whats going on. Thats where people feel really strongly, that its not good enough to say, you know, you could be risking other people, because they are already at risk. They are at risk of losing everything, some of them at risk of dying. They want to know what we are going to do about that. Kennedy yeah. Kennedy, weve said this all along, it takes a lot of faith in order to let the government encroach on your own personal Civil Liberties like this. And some people are really running out of that faith and patience and trust. Kennedy they are, and i think thats always a good thing to question, where these directives are coming from. Lara makes a really good point, its whats going to happen in the future. Its looking down the road. Because we are so wrapped up in the present drama, when youre in the middle of a crisis, its a lot harder to sit back and say to yourself, well, what does this mean for my business three months from now, three years from now . Because i think thats where you really see the effects. Weve talked about this several times. A lot of the people who were making these decisions, as to whether or not we stay home or dip a toe into the water. They are the ones who dont live and die by every paycheck. So families who arent going to be served by some of these federal stimulus programs, they are questioning. They do want answers. Maybe people are looking at places that have wide open spaces, and that looks more attractive to them. If you can work remotely, maybe you want a little more space to run and frolic with your kids and have a different kind of normal that you craft from the ground up. I think its great. Melissa yeah. Katie, i want to ask you on this next part, about testing. In the meantime, dr. Anthony fauci says this needs to happen, if states want to safely reopen their economies. Listen. You have enough chests to respond to the outbreaks that will inevitably occur, as you tread easily back into the different phases. Right now we are doing about 1. 5, 2 million per week. We should get to up to twice that as we get into the next several weeks, and i think we will. Melissa katie, when i listen to the doctor talk about what needs to be put in place before we can all go back outside, it always reminds me that doctors never recommend you take any risk. You know . They always err on the side of being as cautious as possible. I had a friend growing up, whose dad was a neurosurgeon. He made her wear a helmet walking down the street to the bus when there would be snow out, because he thought she would fall and hit her head. [laughter] of course, it was his perspective as a neurosurgeon. But the poor kid was wearing a helmet walking down the street. To him, that made all kinds of sense. She was willing to take the risk, though. What are your thoughts . Katie well, i think the standard of that is the big question here. Of course, more testing would be great, but we have 300 Million People in america. Weve heard over and over again that they cant test everybody. That means if you cant test everybody but you want to keep the economy indefinitely suspended, that means there will be human suffering on a number of other levels. The standard is not, is it going to be 100 safe . That is not a standard that applies to anything. The standard should be, what is the risk of our Current Situation . And the American People, when the shutdown started and the first phase of the social distancing guidelines that were 15 days that were then extended to 30 days, they were not asking for the coronavirus to completely go away. And that we wouldnt have a single other case in the back end of this. They were asking to flatten the curve. They were asking for the ability to get the hospitals across the country ready, so they werent overrun with patience. Now, as weve seen, hospitals all over the country have done that. Theyve put off elective surgeries, they will hopefully bring that back since the white house announced last week they should be doing that. They are now waiting for patience. Ive talked to a friend who has family in phoenix who works in the emergency room as a nurse and a doctor, and they are seeing their hours cut as a result of the way this situation has been handled, and terms of the coming back. We are at a point now where things need to change, and you have to look at the risk, and how you mitigate it. Over the past two months, theyve put into place things ive done that. The standard cannot be that there is a single case and have to shut everything down. It has to be, whats the risk and who is at risk for getting sick again . Melissa dr. Siegel, let me ask you about the testing point. There are two doctors that run an urgent care out of bakersfield, california, who are getting a lot of attention right now, because they are saying things need to open back up. That, basically, when you look at the numbers, we close down on this idea that millions of people are going to die. Now, even without the test, if you just extrapolate out what weve seen so far, in california for example you have 3 100 of a chance that you die if you get this disease. 96 recovery in full and quickly, and they see the economic harm does not merit, or isnt in balance, i guess, with those risks as theyve actually turned out. What are your thoughts . Dr. Siegel first of all, melissa, since i met out number here, im going to tell you, i agree with everything your last guest hosts said. [laughter] in medicine we did something called a costbenefit analysis. Its not only about lives lost from the virus. Part of this is why ive lost from depression, from suicide, from joblessness, from heart attacks, people not working out at jims could have heart attacks, strokes. All of that has to be factored in. And im so glad were focusing on that today. To your point about testing, i want to slightly disagree carefully with katie. I think we can test 50100000000 people. But we need to test them with an antibody test, but with a pointofcare. Not the test to see if you have. This is the tough part, the standard, one or two or three antibody tests to see he is in the community has it. We found out 27 of the people in newark may have it. 6 in miami. 4 in certain counties in california. That information helps us to know when to reopen on how to reopen. Melissa youre absolutely right, the time has come for us to shift to the antibody test. Great discussion, guys. The coronavirus pandemic rocking the u. S. Economy. What white house officials are saying about the impact and the recovery. Plus, the latest stimulus bill now pumping over 300 billion back into the paycheck protection program. What is being done to ensure Small Businesses get the money they need . Thats next. Better crafted than earlier, just because it sets aside Community Development banks and minority neighborhood banks, and companies are not going to be eligible. 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But white house Senior Advisor Kevin Hassett warns that the u. S. Is still in the middle of a really grave situation. Watch. If you take what happened at the end of the First Quarter, we are getting that First Quarter gdp number this week. Its pretty likely that a negative number. For Second Quarter gdp, its going to be the biggest negative number weve seen since the great depression. Melissa kennedy, that is terrifying. It struck me over the weekend, as you go through this, i think families are going to realize that maybe not everyone was touched by the virus. Nobody in your family got it, or in some cases you dont even know anyone who got it, but i wy household will be touched by the Economic Impact. If you were lucky enough to still get a paycheck for all of this, you probably have a 529 for a kids or a retirement account thats been decimated, or you own a home that has lost value. Or, youre in the other group where youve lost your source of income or your job. The economic effects of this are going to be enormous. What are your thoughts . Kennedy absolutely. You think about the longterm impacts, its not just putting off a vacation for a few months. We are really talking about the value of the home, if its gone down and you are planning on selling, maybe taking the equity out or relocating, people are not going to have the same economic mobility. It is really tragic for people who have lost not only their jobs, but their businesses. You know, some businesses will have hope of getting some of the stimulus money from the Small Business program, but for others, they wont. That is what is really tragic, again, are those longterm effects, and this placement, the economic displacement. If you went to cities like san francisco, los angeles, and even new york, you saw the homeless populations grow during a great economy. What happens to those homeless populations in a recession, or, god forbid, he depression . I hope there is a vshaped recovery. I hope it boomerangs and we are back right where we were. My biggest hope, though, is that it touches those who have been so complete decimated, as youve pointed out, by this time. Melissa lara, and you are part of the country, do you know more people who have been touched by the virus, who have been sick . Or more people who have had an Economic Impact on them . Lara well, weve only had one person in this area. They were a first responder, a medical person who came from houston. So, here in the hill country, there have been very, very few cases. But everyone has been touched by it, because of how it has effected shutting down the schools in the businesses. Ive spoken to Business Owners who say that they have used up all of their reserves to keep their costs, keep their company going. And they have no money to buy stock. Everyone is looking forward to christmas now, in business terms. If you are in. There is no money for christmas stock at the moment. So thats going to have a longterm effect. But i want to tell you something, melissa its not just in the United States. That might not seem to matter to lots of people, but, for example, my family in south africa, my father has been very, very ill for a long time. Hes in his 80s. They depend on airbnb as their income. They have had no income, they cant pay their medical bills, they are in the middle i think its week four of a complete and utter lockdown. There are families in south africa, there is shacks and the townships with no running water. Theyve gotten out house outside. They dont even have indoor plumbing, with ten, 12, 14 people in there. What about the social unrest that is going to follow . Because that is not unique to south africa. Its all over the world. Its on this countrys doorstep. In latin america and other places. In this global world now, we are all impacted by that. What follows the social unrest, what normally follows . Protests, violence, and what follows that . Repression. So there are longterm consequent is. We say economic, and it doesnt have any emotional feel to it. You dont really connect to it. How can you care about economics and money more than you care about somebodys life . What if you had lost someone . Of course, that is very much present in all of us, that fear. At the same time, there are very significant consequences that really will be counted in peoples lives. That is a big part of this, that people are very concerned about, and not enough is being talked about there in order to really address it. Melissa know, katie, i mean, that is such a strong argument. The other side would say that we have the luxury of focusing on the economics, because we did shut down, so we controlled the disease. And it turned out we didnt have millions die like we thought we were going to. Thats how the other side would come back against what lara just said. What do you say to that . Katie i would say, again, it comes down to risk mitigation. Theres going to be a risk in any decision you make. It doesnt seem like there is ever really a good one. Of course, there has been this argument, if you want to open up the economy, youre not being careful about people getting sick again. But i think the overall picture, melissa, economically, is this is when Financial Health whether its personal or for the federal government or State Government really matters. This is when overspending, 24 trillion in debt for the federal government, the State Governments that were in the red already who are hit by coronavirus are having a airy problems with keeping up with this emergency. There will come a point and, with all due respect to treasury secretary mnuchin, the ppp program has been essential to keeping a lot of employees employed at businesses so they dont have to close their doors, but there will come point when we just cant continue to spend 2 trillion, 500 billion, every two weeks. The debt will come to pay at some point. So there are consequences for all of these actions that we are taking. Longterm is important, especially when youre talking about politics, which seems very much focused on the immediate rather than the longterm. Melissa yes. And dr. Siegel, we will get your perspective on the other side of his break. We want to mentioned that coming up in the next hour Harris Faulkner will be talking to white house Senior Advisor Kevin Hassett on all of these topics. So you want to stay tuned for that. In the meantime, has the president had enough of the daily Coronavirus Task force briefings . And, what the white house is saying about them. Plus, just how huge the trump 2020 fundraising advantage is over joe biden, and the alarms the Presumptive Democratic nominees allies are now sounding. Veterans you know Mortgage Rates have fallen to 50year lows. But did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate . One call to newday can save you 2000 a year. 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Katie White House Press secretary Kayleigh Mcenany announcing there will not be a Coronavirus Task force briefing this evening, for the third day in a row. This, after the president on friday slammed the media while calling the briefings not worth the time and effort. Since march, the president and Vice President pence have given almost 50 Daily Press Briefings to update the country on the administrations response to the pandemic that has killed more than 53,000 people in the u. S. Dr. Siegel, lets go to you first. I think these briefings have been enormously helpful. Giving the American People information. I dont think the social distancing would have been unsuccessful about without them updating people every day to explain the data that was coming in and showing people the results of what they were doing. What do you think about that . Dr. Siegel katie, i completely agree with your points, not to mention the demonstratiodevastation to the f administration, including hot spot areas, that of cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Focusing also on the Health Care Workers response, trying different treatments, how patients are doing. All of this being brought to the spotlight. It isnt just the president talking. The Task Force Includes people like dr. Tony fauci, who has been a top virologist in this country for many years. Infectious disease. And dr. Birx, as well. And dr. Redfield, who run cdc. All these people come into the microphone and informing the american public. Hugely important. The issue is, though, unfortunately a lot of this information gets politicized. It gets bandied about in the media like some kind of contact sport. That is so deeply disturbing. One mistake im not saying mistakes have been made, big ones have been made, obviously but the idea that people are waiting in the wings to take this information, attack the president or other people in the task force, is not helping in the fight against this virus. Katie you know, lara, early on there was an argument made that the political reporters in the White House Press corps should be replaced with health care reporters. That did not happen, and people argue that maybe we get more relevant information and questions. As the doctor just pointed out, a lot of the questions that have been asked over the briefings weve had werent always so focused on the pandemic at hand. Lara well, how about you just replace those reporters, the ones who actually dont have such a hatred for the president and such a history and record of hostility and all of the interactions and their reporting . Coming from publications whose reporting on this president and administration is 99 or 100 negative, 100 of the time. That is the context in which these briefings are taking place. If you look at what the president treated himself, he said, why am i boosting their readings with fake news, when they are only hostile and not reporting the facts . From the reporters point of view, obviously theres a lot of journalists and people who would push back against that, especially ones who there is of course a need to be critical of the administration, and the president , and to examine these things in detail. But the reality here is that its not happening without a history and a context. Nobodys fool by that. Ask anyone out there. If they dont like trump and they hate trump, they are cheering the reporters. And if they are in the middle and they really want to know what is happening with the virus and they are openminded or they support the president , than they are frustrated that these reporters are not giving him a chance to speak. Still, this president is someone who is unpredictable. Hes been unpredictable from the start. Just because there is not one briefing or a week without briefings doesnt mean they wont resume again. We dont know its going to happen. Any time i hear a reporter or a News Organization putting people out there who are going to tell you what the president s thinking and doing, unless they got it from the president himself, i dont believe it. Because theyve all been wrong almost all the time. Katie so, melissa, what do you think about the white houses reasoning here, that they want to spend time on other things . Its true, while President Trump is very accessible, his three hour briefings over the past two months, that does leave a lot of room for making mistakes while you are receiving new information. Melissa first of all, i cant believe he kept it up this long. I mean, this president , it shocks me every day the amount of energy and stamina he has. I dont think any of the rest of us can keep up with him, and i have no idea how he does it. We couldnt stand there for hours and hours every day. I know i couldnt. I think it had to end at some point, and it makes sense to have it now. Because we are seeing this we are seeing the curve flattened. We are seeing the seriousness of this, or maybe the new territory. We know we are dealing with. People have been inside. It feels like we are not out of the woods, and i dont mean to imply that in any way, but it does feel like we turned a corner and we are getting closer to opening things back up all around the country. So its a perfectly logical time. It did get to the point where reporters were going into gotcha mode. But they will always do that. Thats just sort of the nature of the beast. This time its more exaggerated than in the past. But this is a totally different president. Katie well, speaking of the presidency, there is an election going on, kennedy. Kennedy thats absolutely right. Theres another guy who would love to have that job. His name is joe biden, and his allies are reportedly very concerned his campaign will not be able to compete with President Trumps fundraising juggernaut ahead of the electi election. The New York Times Analysis Finds the Trump Campaign and our nc had a 187 million advantage over the Biden Campaign and the dnc. One democrat fundraiser telling the hill, thats insurmountable. I dont see how you make that up. Biden does not have a strong grassroots fundraising apparatus. He doesnt even have in person events he can go to. Its just the zoom calls. Now through on the pandemic, we lost with all the Hillary Clinton money raised. How do we win with less . So, lara, you got people around the globe who are worried about where their next paycheck is coming from. In a good economy, its a lot easier to donate money to a president ial campaign when youre in the middle of a pandemic and the economy has come to a grinding halt, does joe biden have a shot at fundraising . Lara jo joe biden has never at no point in the Selection Process has he been really boosted by grassroots support. So, why does anyone expect that to change when money is tight . This is a lot of the politics, ringing alarm bells that are really meant to signal to all the democratic donors who have lots of money that you need to step up and support joe biden. With the depth of the hatred, the extent of the campaign against this president , its hard to believe that major democrats i mean, how many democratic billionaires are there out there . Youve got bill gates, you got tom steyer, you got bloomberg. Cant they do that 187 million that trump has, cant they do it in like four seconds . For me, im always skeptical and pretty jaded at this point when i see these kinds of headlines. Because what weve seen from the democratic establishment in this country over the last four years is that they are absolutely and utterly motivated to get rid of this president. The strongest card he had in his favor, which was the economy that was booming, that is now an absolute shreds. The consequences of that are going to be felt every single day from now until the election. To me, its kennedy im glad you brought that up because lara credibility. Kennedy yes, and you talk about the president s secret weapon has been the economy. Katie, i want to know from you, what is joe bidens secret weapon . We havent seen a lot of him. Weve never seen him face the press the way this president does or has been, at least on a daily basis. So what is joe biden superhero strength . Katie [laughs] im not sure that he has one, outside of the left being so made omotivated by the hatred of President Trump that they would vote for anybody to get him out of office. He cant go out on the campaign trail, he cant raise money. If you dont have a fundraising apparatus that is based on got to grassroots support, guess what . You have a voter turnout problem, especially in states that really matter. Polling is all over the map on this, as we saw last time around. It wasnt exactly credible when it came to who was going to win the white house. Joe biden is having a very tough time campaigning from his home, while the president has been able to prove the track record on the economy, and now he can make the argument going forward, the country was hit for something that we were not expecting. Its nobodys fault. You can trust me to do what i did in the past three years, and again for the next four. He has a better argument to make, and joe bidens had a really difficult time remaining relevant a while everything has been shut down. Kennedy i think it would be his invisibility cloak, because we havent seen much from him. [laughter] rumors are swirling about kim jong uns health as a north korean dictator has been absent from the public for more than two weeks. What local media are saying, and what really happened kim jong un. Thats next, stay with us. Its best we stay apart for a bit, but that doesnt mean youre in this alone. Were automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. Were also offering flexible Payment Options for those whove been financially affected by the crisis. We look forward to returning to something that feels a little closer to life as we knew it, but until then you can see how were here to help at libertymutual. Com covid19. [ piano playing ] melissa a north korean staterun newspaper answering speculation about dictator kim jong uns health after he was last seen two weeks ago. The publication reports that kim wrote a thank you letter to builders at a seaside resort, proving hes alive. Over the weekend, his private train was spotted in satellite pictures park near that resort. Rumors about kim had escalated when he missed the annual april 15th commemoration of the birth of his grandfather, who was, of course, north koreas founder, kim ill sung lara, i want to live under International Reporting and expertise here. This is a regime that is based in large part on ritual and observing that ritual. Its very meaningful, that he missed that. What do you think is going on . Lara these are classic signs, people i speak to a u. S. Have already noticed its been happening over the past few weeks. Maintaining a presence, even though you are not physically present. See you are right, he would have been physically present at that ceremony if he was alive. They maintain a presence without anyone seeing him. Why is that . In a country like north korea, where people there is so much control over there, every moment, everything is managed by the central government, and by that leader. This is the moment where, if he is dead, which is not yet confirmed but looks likely, when hes dead you have to figure out exactly how youre going to maintain that control. So youre going to make sure that no threat arises to the new leader, that you maintain absolute power of the dynasty and that you lose nothing in this transition. Now, its no surprise at all to see that kim jong uns sister, there is speculation that she is the one thats going to replace him. If you have been paying attention over the last few years, you would notice that she has been increasingly in the public eye, increasingly in the spotlight. Most importantly, increasingly at his side. His goto person, his number one. In a sense, theres already been so much to something of a shipping operation. People have been used to seeing her there, and this will not surprise them, either melissa dr. Siegel, theres been so much speculation about what may have happened. He could have been injured during a missile test, there is another story that one of his bodyguards came down with covid19. I want to stick with what we actually know. What are your thoughts on what we know about his health before this . Dr. Siegel the third report, melissa, was he had some kind of a heart procedure. That was also reported. Heres what we do know 36 years old, a chain smoker, very obese and overweight. When the summit occurred last year, he was audibly wheezing. I was told by reports that he was having trouble catching his breath, and that when he was walking you could see the signs of breathlessness. All of those things, and then he has a very thick neck, which can be a sign of a pick wiki and syndrome, which is sleep apnea. That has all kinds of medical risks. Blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, all risks. He had some kind of procedure and disappears from the public eye. I am suspicious, based on his health history, that there is a serious concern if he is alive at all, as lara was saying. Melissa leucine regime james there, at the head of this regime, without it changing much about the country before. It wouldnt mean he was gone necessarily that that much would change. We will certainly see. In the meantime, the race for a Coronavirus Vaccine is on. The country that develops one for us will have a big economic and health advantage. But does america risk coming in second . Thats next. Ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. 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We talk about this race for a vaccine, if somebody gets their first it doesnt mean the rest of the research is going to stop happening. Even if we came in second, we could come up with our own. I assume hes talking about the mass production and the hoarding of the resources that you would need in order to produce the vaccine. Thats what makes a difference. It didnt get a lot of attention about a week ago. The government announced that mp materials was awarded the department of defense contract aimed at restoring the earths production in the u. S. Rare earth materials. This is part of that stuff we let go to china, where they have control over the ingredients. We are already planning ahead to have a company here working on that. What do you think about why is it important to be first if we can get the materials or se self . Dr. Siegel you already hit on it, melissa. That is so well set up. The reality is the concern is china itself. There is two vaccines in china that are under really advanced attention now in terms of speeding along the process. I will talk about them. Obviously, china has not done a great job being forthcoming in this pandemic. They hid information from us, they suppressed information. So there is no reason to think that if china gets the vaccine first suddenly its going to be shared with the rest of the world. The two vaccines i want to talk about, beijing institute of biotechnology has a vaccine that is already in phase two trials. That is when you do what you were talking about. You ramp up. You start with the manufacturing process, you get all hands on deck. They also have a vaccine that is being tried in primates, and found to be successful. So that is great news. It looks like it might actually work, and thats terrific. But we arent doing as much testing in animals as we need to do, to see if our vaccine candidates are working. If we get there after china does, i am concerned about whether we are going to get complete access to their vaccine. We have a vaccine that motor and it is manufacturing, that dr. Fauci and the nih are very keen on. It is about to enter phase two trials. It is a revolutionary technique. It, too, it looks good. Im reading between the lines of oped. We need a lot more resources thrown at the moderna vaccine. Melissa kennedy, what do you think of this . Kennedy i think the competition could be a fantastic thing. I disagree that its only a competition between nations. I think companies within the United States who can see some economic gain, i dont have a problem with that at all. The more fire that is lit under these companies, the more urgency and the fewer bureaucratic roadblocks, the quicker you are going to see a vaccine. I also agree with you, melissa, just because another country has it doesnt mean we have to stop research. Go ahead, develop them all at once. That is when you are going to serve for the most people. This is when competition is a fantastic thing. Melissa yeah. Katie, we have learned the very hard lesson, though, about depending on china for anything, havent we . Katie i think it will be a tough sell to get americans to take a vaccine that is made in china. I dont think we will rely on them for this. The good news is that there is a lot of innovation going on, and the forprofit status of these companies has enabled them to do the research to get us what we need. Melissa yeah. All right, more outnumbered in just a moment. Well be right back. Heres huge news for veterans with va loans. Mortgage rates have dropped to all time lows. By refinancing now, you can save 2000 a year. And newdays va streamline refi shortcuts the process. Veterans can refinance with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. 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Im not saying thats what theyre doing, but its a good question and it been answered. Melissa especially when he asked the economic questions, as well. If they get there first, there is a reward for that. All very interesting. Thanks for all of you for joining us. Outnumbered overtime with Harris Faulkner starts now. Harris and on this monday, at this hour, economies are reopening in several states. You are watching outnumbered overtime. Im Harris Faulkner. Starting today, arkansas, colorado, indiana, iowa, kentucky, minnesota, and mississippi will begin easing restrictions on the public. And, in georgia, tennessee, and alaska, they are adding to their reopening procedures, which began taking effect last friday. Colorados governor says he used all available resources to make this decision. We always