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Ive worked here for over 25 years and we have never had an officer shot. So this is uncharted territory for us. Again, itll be a rough couple of days. Harris in portland, police are taking to twitter to declare a riot during violent protests outside of the citys police union headquarters. Officers in riot gear faceoff with more than 200 protesters late last night. The Department Later posted some of the items they were hit with. Things thrown at police and a rescue medic, bottles, paint, a rocket launched from a slingshot possibly. President trump had taken aim at democratic mayors over the unrest in the u. S. In recent weeks, our countrys Police Officers have been under vicious assault and officers have been injured and several murdered. The far left mayors are escalating the anticop crusade in their cities. Harris that you are watching outnumbered, i am harris faulkner. With us is melissa francis, lisa boothe, Leslie Marshall, and in the center seat for the very first time on outnumbered, host of the federalist radio hour, and husband of my friend, meghan mccain, ben domenech. Congratulations on the little one. The unrest across america and some of our biggest cities, your reaction . Ben first off, thank you for having me. I am happy to be here for the first time. I hope youll go easy on me. Harris [laughs] before driven by a lot of different factors, the unrest, one thing we have to keep in mind is how policing in america has gone from being something that was hailed by bipartisanmbg cities, those that represent republicans and democrats, conservatives have all appreciated the role that Law Enforcement has played in making our communities incredibly safe its been true for decades. Very few moments in our history have been marked by the kind of unrest we are seeing right now leading to the death of cops who are just trying to do their job, people who shouldnt be targeted, just a traffic stop in the case of portland and violent protests, going on for quite some time, i really feel like we are seeing a shift where unfortunately Law Enforcement is becoming a model partisan issue where you might see for the first time in any election, joe biden running without any kind of support from any major Police Organization and that is something i think is really bad for the country. The country should inhion suppoe cops, First Responders, our military and not do that something that is the partisan thing but something as an american thing. Harris i want to stay with that thing youve got going on, weve all been reading since yesterday come at the National Association of organizations, the president made a pitch to that first endorsement. That is an endorsement. That group chose to endorse obama in 2008 and in 2012. Joe biden was on the ticket. They did not endorse the candidate in 2016. If that were to have a situation where that would switch and the National Association of Police Organizations would change its allegiance at this point and go with President Trump or back out again like they did in 2016, what does that mean, Leslie Marshall . Leslie i dont think it means much because endorsements dont mean much. You can have a huge union indoors at Democratic Candidates and as we saw in 2016, many Union Members were split as to who they voted for in the last president ial election. Yes, its not good when someone doesnt get the backing of all Law Enforcement but im not surprised at this point in our nation. There is no excuse for violence against another human being. I say that as a liberal and as a human being. But in addition, if you look at portland, what is even sadder here, harris, this community has had daily protests up until this time. Sadly, there is violence on both sides. Over the weekend, a 26yearold who was peacefully protesting now has a fractured skull and that was because of the feds. We are seeing in portland, some of the policies the Portland Police have are not being adhered to and followed by these federal police. Some of that becomes problematic. And these small fringe elements retaliate. And quite frankly, both white and black Community Members in portland are getting tired of it. Harris what i wanted to slide in as a followup and i will talk to lisa now, i find it incomprehensible what leslie is saying about it not mattering as much right now. Leslie, with all due respect, i think it matters now more than ever that organizations are endorsing or not endorsing whoever it would be from these Police Unions because we need them at the table, for negotiations to get us forward to the better place that ben was just talking about. Lisa i think the reason why we are seeing the things that are happening in this country is because of the antipolice rhetoric we are seeing from the left as well as groups like black lives matter. When we have the media driving a narrative that cops are evil and racist, we are living in a kind of environment where savanna chafcant even post a tribute tr Police Officer father who died, without people celebrating his death. And weve had peopleofficers. Someone that was part of the black lives as he could, as retribution. Even the environment we live in now, when the riots were at their highest after the death of george floyd, we had Police Officers that were injured here in new york. I think we need to do some soulsearching as a country and look at some of the rhetoric being pushed, as far as Police Officers being murdered right now. Harris melissa, it feels like a slippery slope. Do you remember the buckets of water . It was Police Officers down, people responding to a hostage situation, getting pelted by things from behind. It moved into the next phase of disrespect and violence from citizenry towards cops. Where do we think that might go if things dont turn around . Its interesting melissa its interesting, one of the reasons immigrants want to come this countrys Economic Opportunity but also the rule of law. The idea that you are safe walking the streets, that your family is safe, that police will come when you call, that First Responders will come, that gives you freedom to live your life and pursue economic and pursue happiness. We are seeing a breakdown in this country of the rule of law and order. Thats one of the main reasons people come here and it is tragic. Harris i want to get to new york city, the family of a 1yearold little boy who was fatally shot during a brooklyn cookout on sunday is now pleading for answers. They are also sharing a powerful message with those who they feel are responsible. Watch. Speak of this is my sons life, i cant get that back. I cant hold him no more. I cant hear him call me daddy no more, i cant kiss him no more, i cant play with him no more, i cant do nothing with him no more. You should be ashamed of yourself. Everybody talks about black lives matter, what about babies lives . You can go to hell. Harris melissa, you asked yesterday, which black lives matter . It is a drumbeat now. The mayor of atlanta is asking why we are doing this to each other and we saw the 8yearold, Secoriea Turner her family asking the same questions. These are lives, people getting killed, and if you wipe away rage and skin color, they have the same things in common with each other, with all of us around the country. We love our little ones. We love the people with us. How did we get here and how do we get out of it . Melissa they have the same thing in common. A grieving family that has been left behind without their loved one. I would respectfully disagree with one of my colleagues, juan williams, something he said yesterday about how this is being represented as an explosion of crime across the city and that that is not accurate. In fact, it is accurate. My home police precinct, the 19th precinct, they are wonderful. Crime is up in this neighborhood. It is the upper east side. This is an affluent neighborhood. It is all over the city. As i set on this show, i have a neighbor on the next block who was held up by gunpoint in his store. He was tied with hand ties and left. Also on the upper west side, david, another one of our colleagues with saying in his neighborhood, an older woman was held up at knife point. It is an explosion all over the city. The local precincts can see that. You can look online and get that data. I look at it every day. It is taking up in every neighborhood. Yes, it is worse in the low income neighborhoods. Yes, the working population, the working poor, they are suffering so much more than the rest of us. But it is exploding all over the city, everywhere. Harris ben, i want to hear your voice on all of this and get your reaction. Before we have to recognize in the view of our politicians, our leaders and the media ben these lives are not equally valuable. The life of this young child, who will never see their second birthday is less valuable from their perspective day in the life of some kid who gets killed in park slope. Thats just the way the treat these stories. Its somehow deemed normal or expected. A life is mattering less. But we should be just as outraged about it. This is unacceptable. The way these leaders of this great city, that has a police force, again, that does an incredible job, that teaches other forces how to do their job and frankly, has not engaged in the kind of behavior that the critics of the police pulled up all the time and described, certainly not in recent years, the fact that they have been pulled back and it is the poorest among us that suffer the most, it is just unacceptable, it is heinous and people should be outraged about it. Harris you know, as you started your comments, ben, when you talk that transparently and that wrong, before we go to if commercial, i want to get Leslie Marshalls reaction to all of that. Its a conversation we have to have. Leslie . Leslie i agree, i agree with a lot of what we just heard. I buried a child in 2004. Its a hole in my heart that i will never fail. I have such empathy and sympathy for this family were any family that loses a child. No one should outlive their child. And ben is right, quite frankly, thats what people are protesting about. The racial injustice, its a lie when there is a pretty blond white girl with beautiful blue eyes that is abducted, we see here on People Magazine and everywhere else. We dont see that when it is a child of color from a poor community. This 1yearolds life should not have been taken. No childs life should be taken by the heinous violence. I certainly hope that those responsible are caught and are punished as they should be. Harris all right. We will move on. These are tough times but we are up to the task. I appreciate, ben, im so glad youre here. A major resignation out of the New York Times to tell you about now. Explosive claims of bullying by colleagues. That is the breaking news story coming up. We will give you more detail. Plus, joe biden is set to lay out the second part of his economic plan later today. The morning the president is issuing a campaign. Stay close. 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Weiss has been the subject of scrutiny since members of the staff attacked the editorial teams decision to publish a column by senator tom cotton. Cottons editorial last month arguing in favor of using military force to stop violent protest. Ben, i will come to you first. Her Resignation Letter is incredibly powerful, which shows you when you fire somebody is a talented writer you are going to get quite a Resignation Letter that is going to go far and wide. Here is one of the points that she makes that i think is really interesting. Twitter is not the masthead of the New York Times, but twitter has become its ultimate editor. Can you imagine that at the New York Times . What is your reaction . Ben well, i have a lot of reactions. First off, i would encourage viewers to, even if you dont know who bari weiss is, to go to her website and read her Resignation Letter in full. It gives you a very honest and, i think, bracing perspective of whats going on in terms of the woke social Justice Warrior takeover of the New York Times internally. I want to make clear something. I respect bari weiss a lot. But very little definition is she a conservative. Shes a conservative on a handful of issues, but by the definition of, i think, most people in this country and most people watching this program, they would consider her to be a centrist or even a liberal on most issues. She is someone who, in other words, should be perfectly acceptable to work at the New York Times. The fact is that they will brook no disagreement on any significant subject, and the fact that she would bring in other competing voices in the wake of 20 2016 to try and increase the ds something here coburg is fun and accessible. Shes leaving right now, shes making the choice to leave, but it was clear as soon as James Bennett had to resign in the wake of the tom cotton oped fiasco, he was not long for the times. They would find a way to get rid of her. The invocation of her letter is she is going to perhaps file suit, considering its a hostile work environment. I hope we all get to see what they were all saying about her and these channels without any kind of pushback from their purported leaders of the New York Times who are now beholden to twitter mobs of all kinds. Melissa to bens point, she says, there are terms for all of this. Shes talking about the bullying received from many of her colleagues, in writing. On the select channel. She says there are terms for all of this unlawful discrimination, hostile work environment, and destructive discharge. Im no legal expert, but i know this is wrong. To his other point, she says, showing up for work as a centrist as an american newspaper should not require bravery. Leslie, what is your reaction to that . Leslie you know, a lot of people on my side of the aisle dont agree with me on this. And opinion section of a paper is just that, and it should not just be expressing opinions that the majority of the subscribers would agree to. As a matter of fact, if ben were to have me write an opinion for the federalist, for example, a lot of people might get angry, but that would be an opinion. Heres where the problem is with the New York Times. One time people would look to the New York Times to say, this is a source for actual news with no leaning bent on the journalistic news reporting aspect of that paper. Quite frankly, that has changed. It has definitely moved to the left. Theres no question to that. But theres a place for that. The opinion section is that place. Journalists are supposed to report the facts. Somebody writes an Opinion Column is opining about those facts, and not always in agreement with the subscribers. Im not surprise that she is leaving. Nobody should be subjected to a hostile work and varmint. I here at fox, i am a liberal democrat, have a lot of people i work with, somebody sitting here, who may not agree with the ideologically. We respect each other because we are on the same team even though we dont vote for the same candidate. Melissa especially in writing in front of your managers. You are supposed to be protected by your Hr Department from that kind of abuse by her coworkers. She says, part of me wishes i could say my experience is unique, but the truth is that intellectual curiosity, let alone risktaking, is now a liability at the times. Harris you know, its interesting, leslie, just quickly, we are special here at fox because we love each other no matter how big our differences are. Thats what i love about having the different pundits and people from all walks of life and politics come on. We learn a lot from each other. It proves the point that ben is making. Diversity helps us win. Diversity is what we should all thirst for. In terms of diversity of thought, opinion, all sorts of things. Right . It is not just about skin color and culture and where you were born, and all of those things. It has to do with the richness of finding out not who is right but what is right in our debates. And you need more voices, not fewer. I dont know, leslie. You describe the New York Times as if it were always sort of neutral. I think it would be hard pressed to find people who thought it was always neutral. I think its been leftleaning, as many people in outlets in the media have figured out, youve got to sell some stuff. The way you do that is to reach more people. The way you do that is to invite more of them into the fold. The New York Times ought to feel the pressure of this and should be embarrassed by the letter that bari weiss felt she needed to write. Lisa harris, unfortunately i dont think thats going to happen. We look at this sad place, this sort of underscores the sad place that we are as a society right now where conservative voices, dissenting opinions, arent even allowed in the opinion section of major newspapers. The New York Times, without forcing the resignation of the opinion editor there, and other staffers. We are in this really sad place in this society. Was even sadder about it, when you look at the fact we are not north korea, we are not china. We are a free society that allows for the first amendment, yet we are voluntarily becoming a less free society. Think about just how sad that is, in a society that we are today, where you actively have people trying to ruin the lives of others simply because they disagree with their opinion and their ideology. Melissa yes, lisa, you say it well. I agree with harris in the sense that i dont think it is recent. I remember during the george w. Bush administration that i myself personally called and canceled my subscription to the New York Times. When they asked me why, i said, because the stories on your front page are biased. The response was, yes, we have a box for that. They heard that so often that, if that was your reason for canceling, they were ready for it. Ben, last word for you. To be when youre having the same reaction im having. Id rather hear it from ben. Ben i just wanted to say that the irony of this whole situation is that the reason bari went there in the first place was to help them solve this problem. In the week of 2016, they felt like they didnt understand the nation anymore. They needed more diversity of opinion. The fact that she is not welcome there anymore, it turns out the New York Times readership doesnt want diversity of opinions. They want that calm sort of quiet lullaby notion that everything you think about the world is right and no one will ever bother to question it. Melissa thats interesting. And that is a business, its just not street journalism. Thats the business they want to be in, maybe they called themselves something different. Joe biden turning his attention to the economy and has run for the white house, but the white e says his policies pose a danger to americans. So, which candidate has the best economic plan . Wheel debate. gong rings this is joe. combative yelling he used to have bad breath. Now, he uses a capful of therabreath fresh breath oral rinse to keep his breath smelling great, all day long. combative yelling therabreath, its a better mouthwash. At walmart, target and other fine stores. Water . Why . ahhhh incoming ahhhahh im saved ahhh ride . No, im good. Im gonna walk. Lets go water tastes like, well, water. So we fixed it. 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The fact is, our jobs arent safe, our families arent safe, and our american way of life is not safe. Melissa so, leslie, let me start with you. Part of this economic plan is he has stepped up the time by which he says he is going to be 100 clean energy. He says that 2035. How do you think that is going to play in the Carbon Economy of the midwest . How do you flip texas by saying you are going to kill the Carbon Economy . How do you deal with pennsylvania . Do you think thats a smart move as part of this economic plan . Leslie look, the economy is certainly the biggest area of joe bidens vulnerability, and its the largest strength of the president. There are going to be people that speak, as we just heard, about the obama administration, that economy, and it depends on who you ask whether it was good or not. Speaking specifically to clean energy into creating more jobs through that, creating more jobs is going to resonate across the board. It doesnt matter if somebodys democrat or republican or doesnt want to align with a Political Party into somewhere on the fence. Even in places wher like texas e we see them neck and neck. Those polls show when you look at them more so, melissa, that the president does have a strong lead on joe biden specifically with the economy. Joe biden is straddling here, if you will, because he has the centrist moderate portion of the Democratic Party, which i am a part of, to appease. But he also has the aoc more progressive faction of the Democratic Party to appease to get them on board, because he knows what happened in 2016. 12 voted for trump and the rest said, forget it, hillary, im not going to climb on board. I dont think theyll necessarily have people lining up to vote for him, but i dont think people in the middle on the right, the fact is the big issue as a voter is largely for those very far left within the Democratic Party. Melissa ben, i would disagree with leslie said, whether things were economically worse under obamabiden last time around. If you look at data out of the federal reserve, during the vast majority, Median Income fell and the divide between rich and poor expanded dramatically. While president obama and Vice President biden were in office. Your thoughts . Ben i think it is actually a lot worse than that, looking forward. Frankly, what do we know about the biden and obama agenda . We know it led to a recovery that was very slow, that didnt see people get back to work or see their wage growth that we would like to see it in recovery. I dont think people can have a lot of confidence in joe biden on this point and thats what hes trying to throw a lot of Different Things into this planned a sort of see what sticks. This is going to be very interesting election for a lot of reasons. We are used to hearing, over the course of the past several decades, at least, that when it came time to vote, its the economy, stupid. Im not sure thats going to be the factor this time around come because theres a lot of different other elements. I think, in 2016, one of the big reasons President Trump became president is because people in the midwest and in the rust belt were a lot more confident in his ability to increase their wages to bring jobs back to their communities. They saw that to a great degree in the economy prior to the hit of coronavirus. But i think now the president needs to get back to work basically convincing the American People that he can do that all over again. That he can lead them into a recovery and joe bidens approach would tamp down on that increased taxes, increase regulation, and not bring that job. Melissa harris, let me throw a few more facts out there. That recovery was the slowest ever on record, according to the federal reserve, for as long as they had been keeping records. It was the worst and slowest recovery ever. Can we afford to go back to th that . Spiel and i dont know that anybody is looking to go back to that. I think we are figuring out how to get forward where we are going now. You are seeing some of the numbers move, albeit at a time when coronavirus cases are burgeoning. So, its a complex place where we are now, different from where we were, though, because of the jobs that had been created. Im looking through the biden plan right now, and a lot of it is focused on those communities of color that have been so rocked by covid19. A lot of their Food Insecurity and other issues, and health care inequalities, exposed against th through battt this virus. I would like to see him address those areas. The fact of the matter is his track record, either with obama or formally as a senator for decades, does not quite match what we saw just before the pandemic. That was record levels of unemployment under the current president for people of color and communities of diversity. Itll be interesting to see how biden can then wrap in aoc, wrap in all of those things that are far left, when they havent necessarily had the track record that could compare with were everywhere. Its not where we are now, but we are all talking about going back. Recent going back says that people of color were doing quite well in most areas. Lisa can i just Say Something . President trump, his election ran through the rust belt in 2016 and is going to again in 2020. He even passed joe biden on trade. His support for nafta, his support for ppp, issues that were important for trump in exit polling in 2016 as well as the onerous regulations that led to the shuttering of manufacturing in this country, as well. And, just simply him wanting to get rid of fossil fuels, which would crush these rust belt states, including the state of texas which leslie mentioned earlier. Melissa good point, glad we got that in. California has moved to rollback its reopening sending shock waves as some major School Districts are also pulling reopening plans. Why one district vows to move ahead. The impact, as other states grapple with a covid19 surge ahead. I am in so much debt. Sixtytwo thousand seven hundred and ten dollars and thirtyone cents. Sofi allowed me to refinance all of my loans to one low Interest Rate and an affordable monthly payment. And i just feel like theres an end in sight now and that my debt doesnt define me anymore. Sofi is helping me get my money right. To give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you dont. [grunting noise] ill take that. Woohoo 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. Ensure max protein. With nutrients to support immune health. 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However, an Orange County Education Board yesterday voting to reopen schools without wearing masks. President trump stepping up his push for state and local leaders to open doors nationwide. Watch the president. The schools should be opened. Schools should be opened. Kids want to go to school. You are losing a lot of lives by keeping things closed. Harris so, you are seeing opposite ends of the spectrum here. Ben, i come to you. You can make different decisions, but we are all looking at the same science. His politics bigger than science these days . Or, whats happening . Ben i want you to consider for a moment what this would look like in the alternative universe where Hillary Clinton was the president pushing to reopen schools and republicans were arguing against it. We know exactly what we would be hearing. Why are republicans not being the party of science . Why are they ignoring all the evidence from europe of the fact that this is not a superspreader threat . Nancy pelosi went on cnn just the other day and said that this represented the biggest risk to spreading coronavirus. If she were a republican, people would be factchecking the crap out of that. All the data is being ignored. The way these children are winning, the way they are capable of having the same kind of experience when it comes to online learning, the way its going to impact their lives and their families, their inability to get school lunches, their inability to, frankly, the effect on child abuse as part of this, as well. This is a situation where the arguments really all are on one side. That Young Children in particular should be able to go back to school, this has a impact spread throughout the economy, particularly for workingclass americans who dont have the ability to afford child care. Its an absolute travesty the way this is being handled. Harris i like the way you merge those issues, with people going back to work and their kids in school. Why didnt more people do what they did in detroit . By the way, there were protesters standing between the kids, the young ones, who were trying to get back to school catche they wanted to do a up in some of the areas were maybe not everybody has a tablet. Where the economy was really tough. Im curious, leslie. Why didnt we start there . Why were we opening up weed dispensaries in california before we were opening up churches and schools . I think thats a fair question. Leslie in the state of california, marijuana for medicinal purposes is legal. That would be considered health care. Harris churches fall under religious freedoms. Leslie i live in california, my children harris charges religious freedom, just saying. Leslie heres the problem in california. 55 of the covid cases in california are latinos. Most of these people, the latin population california, are essential workers. They dont have the luxury to work from home. There i are at much greater risk for exposure. We have spiking in a prison system. I understand why the governor has done this, with the largest population in the largest state in this country. We are having a problem based on the differences of opinion, as you just saw, with Orange County. Not only wanted to reopen, but reopen without masks, social distancing, plastic barriers between the children. A lot of different opinions, and i am scared as a parent. Definitely scared as a parent from moving forward, with what we do with educating our children. Harris i dont know if you could hear the whole thing about churches, but it wasnt just places of business. But we can talk about weed and other day. Ill move on. The nba is facing renewed criticism after fans said they were not order to allow Free Hong Kong on the back of customized jerseys. The aboutface and an explanation that is still raising eyebrows. Stay close. Did you know diarrhea is often caused by bad bacteria in food . Try pepto diarrhea. 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Melissa the nba appears to have made a uturn after fans discovered they were unable to order customized jerseys with Free Hong Kong on the back, but reportedly were able to order items with derogatory remarks like kill cops. The controversy further highlighted the criticism that the league is too cozy with communist china, hours after discovery, the officially partnered nba store on fanaticsn allowing Free Hong Kong to be printed on jerseys. A spokesperson saying the phrase was inadvertently prohibited, and they said any shirts with derogatory remarks about the police would have never actually been made. Lisa, what do you think . Flipflop, backtracking . Or maybe they are telling the truth . We give them the benefit of the doubt. It was an accident. Lisa i personally think, given the nbas past, it highlights where their priorities are as an organization. But i think even more troubling, we are at this point where companies are taking political stances. Sports teams and the nba are taking political stances, and we sit back and wonder why we are so divided as a nation. I think the ability for players to put social justice things on the back of their jerseys only going to further divide the country and its part of the reason everything is so politically poisonous right now. Melissa yeah. Ben . Ben when i was in hong kong last year covering the protests i met with many of the leaders of democracy and prohuman rights groups, groups that have not been crushed by communist china. They are very well aware of the nbas role in, frankly, sending a message to the west that this doesnt matter. This is not something that should be held up as a politically important issue. I think with the nba has done and continues to do is make clear that they are increasingly beholden to the Chinese Market and follow whatever beijing wants him to do. I think as an American Sports organization that is an absolute tragedy. Its a real loss in terms of leadership they should be offering on these important issues. Melissa let me be the devils advocate, leslie, and offered the other side. They can say that its providing joy and entertainment to a population. That may be suffering. And that they are a business. Im not making excuses for them, they are trying to provide what i believe are the talking poin points. Leslie their business. Follow the money. When support was shown on social media for those protesters fighting for freedom they are, what happened . The nba stood to lose 400 million. Im not surprised, but i think it is really sad. Especially when you have the nba or any American Organization the nba, which is a business in bed with communist china, which they clearly are. Melissa all right. More outnumbered in just a moment. Customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . I should get a quote. Do it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Melissa thank you to everyone for watching, and thank you to ben domenech. This is your first time on the show. I hope you enjoyed it. We loved having you and we would love to have you back. Thank you everyone out there for watching. Well be back here on the virtual couch tomorrow. Now, heres harris. Harris violence is surging in new york city, and especially over the past 24 hours, amid the growing push to defund the police. Youre watching outnumbered overtime. Im harris faulkner. At least 18 people we now know where shot in new york city just yesterday. In 14 shooting incidents, including three drivebyes in brooklyn, within 14 minutes. One highranking officer told the New York Post the numbers are astronomical for a monday especially. President trump yesterday unleashed on Democratic Leaders over all of it. Watch. Nypd retirements have quadrupled, and they are going up even further. New york city is out of control, unfortunately. My place, i love it, but