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Harris the tanden worked on Hillary Clintons First White House campaign in 2008 and was reportedly accused of punching a journalist that year after an interview. She later told the New York Times she only pushed him. Contact his contact. And a delete emails, she said se thought the biden running when mcclinton looked better. Here today, kennedy herself. Fox news correspondent julien turner. Syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. And joining us today, publisher of the federalist and a host of the federalist radio hour, and new data of big liberty, ben domenech. Good to see you. Ben good to be with you. Harris all right, lets start with possibly some agreements among among democrats and republicans on the hill with this one in particular, nominated for a position potentially. Ben you know, i think one of the things that we need to keep in mind about the nominating process that happens with virtually every president , that there is always someone whos thrown out there, potential nominees who is designed to be a lightning rod, designed to attract attention away from the rest of the slate of nominees. I think neera tanden is absolutely that lightning rod this time around. Joe biden is going to end up with someone in his budget office, and that will probably somebody close to his mindset, regardless of who they are. She brings up something that everyone hates about the swamp appeared close to clinton, but the real reason that i think people are focused on her right now is because of all the nasty things that she has said over the years, both behindthescenes and sometimes in public. That shouldnt distract people, though, from the fact that theres a lot more important cabinet nominations that are going to be put forward, and it shouldnt distract them from those, focusing on this one person out of the slate that joe biden has put out. Harris so, thats interesting. Kennedy, as i come to you, i just have a question about being genuine in these situations. Sometimes when you play a game like that, and by the way, ben, you are our second guest who has suggested that there is somebody on there lorenz jones that it is someone like a rahm emanuel, to get out there while they do other things. The problem with that strategy is that it can backfire. And those people can squeak through. What do you think . Kennedy yeah, i dont think joe bidens mind necessarily you should through, but i think ben is right about that. When youve lost two republicans and progresses at the same time with equal or higher, youve lost the plot. Youve done something wrong. And clearly, joe biden has been in office for a long, long time. He knows tons of people. I dont know why he is throwing this particular bone to Hillary Clinton. It doesnt make him look like a unifier. I dont think that she is the most adept or capable person for the role, so, yes, maybe she is the sacrificial lamb, and if that is the case, that means rahm emanuel is getting into that administration. Harris well, you remember what Jessica Tarlov said yesterday about the democratic incoming administration. She said one emanuel brother is enough. Im only quoting her. Julie she did appear [laughs] what about this idea of the president elect might want to i dont know, call me crazy, do an interview on some of the stuff, so that journalist would get a shot at asking some questions about it. You know, by now, normally would have had happened. And i understand that we didnt see Kayleigh Mcenany about one time at a press Conference Since july. I get that, but now we are talking about the president elect. Gillian i think maybe there is a chance that we will hear some of these today or in the coming days. I dont know that. Im just guessing. I certainly hope that is the case. The American People should hear about these folks that have been nominated because whether they make it through confirmation or not, they are now national figures. They are of National Interest to the American People. We are owed that. On tanden specifically, ben is right. She has become a lightning rod candidate. Both her policies and personally. Meaning her beliefs, what she believes as well as what she advocates for here in washington. I think shes a legit real candidate this administration is hoping to get confirmed. They have gone to Great Lengths to bill her as somebody who is part of this overall package. They are calling it the most diverse sort of slate of senior white house staff and officials in history. They have gone out to point out confirming people of color to head up the office of management and budget. They are very proud of that. I think thats part of the reason why they are pushing her here to answer your question. About why they no, it was kennedys question. Why has biden throwing this particular bone to Hillary Clinton . Neera tanden fits the bill in terms of identity. Ben then nominate harris ive never heard anybody call her that. Her married name. Almost didnt recognize, but i know you mean. Just to be clear, gillian, i know we are going to hear the president elect, his latest fix, just as he did, i know we are going to hear from each of them. I meant for him to sit down and take an interview. I know they are going to spill their resumes and everything else, and tanden will probably ask may be, who knows . Maybe she will be asked about some of the things that she sa said. Last time around, they didnt take questions. They do what they do. They are excited, but hes the one who can answer that. Why did you pick soandso . Slip through your notebook and call him out. So, leslie, and im glad that we are coming to you on this after everybody else has spoken because now you can tell us why is she a lightning rod, neera tanden . Is she Something Different . Does she fit right in, like the democrats dont like her. Leslie some of the democrats dont like her, but she has Common Ground with joe biden, the president elect. She doesnt support medicare for all. Neither does the president ele president elect. She also supported Hillary Clinton. So to joe biden. So the people that are the progressives are very unhappy about it. With regard to republicans, a lot of them are very angry about tweets. But the president has made a lot of angry tweets. Didnt stop him from being able to govern . If you look at what the role is and what that office is, technically, it is for to promote the policies and to implement ideas and policies that the president has. Not that she has pure neera tanden, as a child, was the recipient of public housing, fod stamps. When her mother and family went on hard times, there were some conservatives, thinking this is a good choice. It was already mentioned, i think gillian did, that she is the first south asian woman in this role. So, look, is it a bad pick because of her tweets . It will be tough because of that. But does it prevent her from doing the job properly . Ben please. She has been endorsed by Hillary Clinton. Your case for neera tanden is that she has been endorsed by Hillary Clinton . One of the most unserious people who has been nominated for this type of role. She has no business, and thats why she should be viewed as a lightning roll. Just to get everyones attention away from the other equally radical picks. Kennedy one of the Largest Offices inside. I have to check how many people are on staff. It is by far the Largest Office in there. Influence will be enormous. You cant undersell how powerful the position is. As leslie said, puts forth the president s agenda, but they actually enact his budget. Harris you know, one of the things that i see it in this, as you were piping up as leslie was talking there, this isnt just about how she can lead all these people. It should be about that mostly, and it is an just about this is someone who has shown the bad judgments of putting her hands on someone she doesnt agree with. She called it something else. It is bad judgment, involving a physical altercation with someone. What are your thoughts on that . How do we look at this big and say wow, really want to hear from the president elect on this, maybe. Why would he choose her . Ben i think it would be great to hear from the president elect on all of his choices. I think in this case, all ive gotten from the last couple of days is a series of emails from people on the Progressive Left you are very frustrated with the selection who basically say i dont agree with you on a lot of things. But i agree with you the neera tanden has to be stopped. This is an example of how the biden approach to the white house is going to be satisfying checking the box on diversity, you know, having a cabinet that meets all of these new measures. Historic this and historic that, as opposed to giving the Bernie Sanders supporting wing of the Democratic Party any kind of actual policy successes that they would like to see implemented. Harris hmm. Wonder how that is going to go. Kennedy, last word . Kennedy no, i imagine that there are also some very progressive senators who will have a harder time with this. At least if they can find their philosophy and dignity. I dont count Elizabeth Warren among this people, but Bernie Sanders certainly should join republicans in standing up against nominations like this that fly in the face of what the president elect promised the progressives who helped him get elected. Harris it might be the only time in the recent history or any history at all that there has to be a dont push rule or punch or whatever the heck it was. Georgia secretary of state says his office is now investigating claims that thirdparty groups are trying to register outofstate voters illegally. What this could mean for the states critical runoff, next. We have to remain vigilant. That is why im announcing an investigation into thirdparty groups working to register people in other states to vote here in georgia. Smooth driving pays off you never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today to save you up to 60 . These are all great. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. Veterhave now fallen evengage lower. By refinancing at newday you can save 3000 a year every year. With their va streamline refi, there is no Income Verification no appraisal, no out of pocket costs and no va paperwork for you. You can start the process right over the phone. Refi now and cut 3000 a year off your mortgage payments. Loans can close in as little as 30 days. Kennedy well, georgia secretary of state Office Investigating over 250 claims of voting irregularities. New claims that thirdparty groups are working to register in eligible people ahead of Georgia Senate runoff. That critical election next month is going to determine which Party Controls the senate. Brad raffensperger this morning, listen. Let me be very clear again, voting in georgia, when you are not a resident is a felony. These thirdparty groups have a responsibility to not encourage illegal voting. If they do, they will be held responsible. Kennedy this comes as President Trump slams georgia. Ben, im going to come to you first because this is really everything for republicans. New sentiments, with 50 republicans as a whole different ball game. A whole different stratosphere from one with 51 republicans. Ben the other thing they are, that i think is unprecedented as we have this whole dynamic internally within the Republican Coalition where we are unsure what republicans are going to do in response to President Trump. He clearly has an enormous hold on the support of republicans across the state of georgia. Got so many of them to come out, not enough to win that say, but enough to make a huge difference when it comes to these runoff elections. What will those trauma focused d voters she set a number of things that are critical of the secretary of state, and i think in this context, this is kind of the first test case for what President Trump looks like within the Republican Coalition and how much he wants to be seen as the leader of the g. O. P. In states where the Trump Campaign is financing recounts, the president is actually losing both. In states where the president has appointed judges, he is losing in court. Why doesnt he give all of this off, head down to georgia, and campaign for these folks . Leslie well, he might be. He could start tomorrow. Here is part of the problem with their rhetoric that is coming out of georgia. One of which, there are groups being investigated, and the only group that i am hearing and all of the media, a progressive group. If, in fact, they are doing what is alleged, that is illegal, and there should be ramifications. Obviously to this or any other organization that does that, but then again, this is not going to change that georgia went for joe biden, that georgia went from red to blue. This is not going to change the outcome of the general election, and quite frankly, it could actually hurt the runoff for republicans because there are those Trump Supporters out who believe that it is rigged, right . It is not a fair game. So why come out . Give Trump Supporters in georgia dont show up, democrats will control the senate. Gillian something that caught my attention earlier this week, Ronna Mcdaniel was talking about else she really is encouraging republicans to get out there and vote in this pair of runoff elections, and the reason shes having to do this all the time is because people in her party are feeling discouraged about the voting process after President Trumps accusations of fraud, of the election being a scam, of the election being stolen. It is kind of having these unintended consequences where it seems like Republican Leaders are worried about republicans getting out in voting for republican candidates in the set is because they feel like well, this thing is already in the back. Our votes dont count anyway, so why bother going out . Harris you know, i do believe that each state has its own journey with that, and i was born in georgia, so i havent voted there recently. Its interesting because we dont really know what the electorate is thinking about in terms of that ground game. Republicans have always been better at it. What we do know as the democrats are served by how good they still are added. The president lost, but republicans across the country did really, really well. We dont know how they are feeling about getting out and voting, but we do know that democrats are concerned because they are starting their door knocks down there. Covid restricted. I dont know how it is all going to look, but that is their plan, to try to bring a little bit of background bravado. Clearly, they think the democrats are going to vote. Otherwise, they wouldnt be doing that. I dont know how much aggregate damage there is from the legal fight that the president has every right to wage to find out what votes were illegal and which ones werent. I dont know what kind of damage impact, i think it is a better word there. I can tell you this. There is a debate tonight between the democratic incumbent and kelly loeffler. And im wondering how much republicans can get to gather and put their muscle behind their candidates in georgia to make sure that these debates go well. Didnt have a really good one against ossoff. Ossoff, excuse me. I am wondering how much of the nittygritty republicans want to get into in these races. I wonder if you will let me ask on this question. Then, what are your thoughts . Ben i think both of these candidates have limitations. As you mentioned, didnt have a great debates against ossoff, and Kelly Loefflers are relatively new politician in terms of her activity. Historically, they should benefit from this moment. Where the other wins the presidency, it tends to go the other way. This is a situation where, with two candidates who dont necessarily have the strongest reputation when it comes to either, you know, getting out there support or performing on the stage, that is a real challenge that makes it all the more important that President Trump get in there with his kind of impact that he can have on his supporters and make clear that they need to support these two candidates. Otherwise, his agenda can be a lot more at risk when it comes to a democratic run senate. Harris gillian well said. Kennedy, i will catch you on the other side. We are going to talk about this key trillion dollar question which is who is going to get the vaccine first . They are going to make that critical decision, meeting today. It will be governors who make some of the hardest decisions they will ever make in their states. Stick with us. Harris the cdcs independent Vaccine Advisory Committee will vote later today on who should get a crown of aarons vaccine first. That is, once it is approved. However, ultimately, it is up to governors to decide distribution in their state and how to allocate limited stocks of the vaccine may be one of the toughest rises they will confront in office. New mexico governor said this. Oh, ive got 700,000 people i need to start getting the vaccine to, and i get 25,000 doses. That will be hard. We will allocated, her community, the same way that they do the flu. Expected to have the Health Care Workers be first in line, along with those in longterm care facilities. Kennedy, your thoughts . Kennedy protect the people who are most vulnerable, and that is people in Nursing Homes. So many thousands of them has lost their lives. We have seen that here in new york, where they were not guarded, not protected. They can see their families. Many of them are just toiling away in loneliness, utterly forgotten. I go back to what Ezekiel Emanuel said. Talking about the priority, and he is saying that it should go by life expectancy, so if youve got a better life expectancy, you should be given at first. That means to hell with old people. That is incredibly unfair and wrong, and i wouldnt be surprised if people share his mentality governing these more liberal states. They are going to put older people further down on the list, and i think that is completely immoral. Harris new york and new jersey, kennedy, s that we saw those vulnerable nations. So heartbreaking. Leslie, when you look at this, i am also thinking of someone like a gavin newsom who recently had the three michelin star dinner out without a mask, and those are some of the top medical officials in that state. As you see these governors surrounding themselves with people, making these decisions, how much uniformity do you think we will see . If we are in california versus wherever, should it be kind of the same, deciding who gets what when . Leslie governors are politicians, and i dont think if it is a red state or blue state, medical professionals, the cdc today, at least what we are hearing, and you touched upon this, here is, that the First Priority would be one a and 1b. Those living in longterm residential facility is like Nursing Homes and Health Care Workers. Tier two would be essential workers and those who are most vulnerable. The elderly population. Just as a layperson, that sounds good to me. If i were a governor, i would follow their advice. This is not political. This is about saving lives in your state, and it doesnt matter what color or political ideology your state is. Harris it seems pretty basic, right . If you start with that to your group. The oldest among us. The most complicated thing, i would have to think, for governors, is there are a lot of people who chri crisscross and r preexisting conditions. You have those who are very vulnerable, those who have been battling cancer throughout this whole thing. Those who just got a new diagnosis. They finally got to the doctor. They found out they need the next step in their cancer treatment. You know, they may not be in a longterm facility, but they are very vulnerable, still. Ben you know, i hate to say this, but leslie is absolutely correct when she talks about governors being politicians, and politicians Pay Attention to the loudest voice in the room, often the voice that has the best lobbyist and most money behind them. I could be also its of institutions that are enormously powerful within these various states. Corporate institutions, Higher Education institutions. They want to try to get access to these vaccines as quickly as possible. The flip side is that we are under reading the degree to which skepticism about these vaccines has been built up. I think in a very irresponsible way, extending back through this campaign in ways that we saw a very significant spike in the number of people, particularly in the minority populations, who have been hit so heavily by this virus that are skeptical. They say that they want to get at first. They want to be trying to get it at first, and that i think is going to prove to be a much harder and more difficult thing than experts in washington and at the cdcs are really understanding at this moment. They are going to have to do a lot of work to convince those people that the vaccine is both healthy and that they need to take it. It is not just something that they can avoid because they dont think that they are at risk. Harris this makes me feel a little they should start with kamala harris, because as i alas recall, she was the person who really put that out there. Some questions about whether she would take it. Depending on which administration had come up with it, and with a history you hit the nail on the head, the history and distrust that has been sown in the black community in particular. So on and so forth. That was particularly biting. So there is work that needs to be done, absolutely. This is breaking. December 8th. This has just been made aware to us at fox news. December 8th, there is now a meeting at the white house with President Trump, governors, executives, and others on the distribution plan. The vaccination. All of it that we are talking about. Breaking news on that, and that is a big deal because gillian, what i was pointing to before with leslie, you can have some uniformity. May be more elderly. Maybe the breakdowns are different. People have to get an idea, in order to do what ben is talking about. Build trust in the system where they go and pull up their sleeves and get ready for that vaccination. So this will be interesting. Gillian im really glad to hear the news, harris. If i was President Trump, i would be on the phone to governors every single day, talking about some degree of continuity across states. This is all hypothetical right now, but the second somebody dies in the state of california and feels that because they werent able to get the vaccine soon enough, well, if they lived in a over, you know, they would have been able to live. This is going to become very real for americans very quickly. There is also a lot of subtleties in this debate here. I had the opportunity to interview dr. Siegel yesterday. I said what about teachers, right . If a big priority is on education, making sure our kids can get back to school, are we talking about vaccinating teachers . He said you know, that sounds like a great idea, but no ones talking about it. Harris well, lets talk about it, then. Its a nobrainer. What we dont want to have happen is what happened at the beginning of the pandemic, and thats where you have them in california, schools and churches. Lets build in something where that continues not to happen. Then, i heard you want to get the last word. Ben i just think thats a perfect example where politics is going to get ahead of the science. Teachers, especially those who doubted to be younger, have far less risk than some of the grooves that you have been talking about, but teachers unions are so powerful that they may be in the position to demand that they get those vaccines first because people want to get their kids back in school. Kennedy but weve got to do that. If we want their kids to be educated, stay competitive in this economy ben but shouldnt have go to the people who are most at risk so mike i thought that was the whole reason. Gillian a check, absolutely. Kennedy and i dont trust the teachers unions because they are talking about medicare for all and agree new deal in order to get teachers back to work. Im sorry, but they dont require as much consideration as more obviously vulnerable parts of the population. Leslie can i just jump in . It comes down to how do you do sign what do you define as an essential worker . Teachers are essential workers. Same with Health Care Workers. They are our doctors on the front lines. On the back burner. Nurses, staff at the hospitals. This is part of the problem that governors are going to have. Harris, i like your idea of uniformity. Harris wow. I like the idea of a december 8th meeting at the white house with the president of the united states, governors, execs, and the like. Those others on the list, i would guess probably some medical professionals in the room too. We will have to cover it as it happens. I want them to have the kinds of discussions that we are having here. 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One call can save you 3000 a year. Leslie the Trump Campaign has filed a lawsuit now, fraud and abuse, vote counting process, affecting some 220,000 ballots. This lawsuit also claims that municipal clerks where altering file that envelopes themselves. Telling fox news clerks were using their own knowledge or searching unknown databases, filled in the information themselves. According to the statute, this is illegal. All right, kennedy, a couple of things here to unpack. First of all, didnt this stage is recertify biden as the winner of the president ial election again . That is the one hand. On the other hand, 220,000 ballots is lots of ballots. Kennedy yeah, thats significant. That is a significant number, but you have to take a part of these two issues. And just because joe biden may have picked up some votes in wisconsin and the vote was recertified, that doesnt mean there wasnt all sorts of weirdness going on throughout the state. And thats what we are seeing in michigan. Thats what we are seeing in pennsylvania. Thats what we are hearing about in georgia. You are hearing about the Voting Machines malfunctioning in georgia, and at some point, you have to say come on. If this is happening, it doesnt necessarily mean that the poll workers were a bunch of biden hacks. It means that they werent welltrained, and they are doing something that is illegal and unethical, and they shouldnt be doing that, and if they are doing it, you have to have a way of correcting that. So, moving forward, it is not so easy to make the same mistake. And you have to draw a line in the sand and say without any sort of doubt, no matter who is coming out against this rule, if you dont have the address on the envelope, the ballot is not counted. And if it says that the workers cant go in and put it in their own address, then dont fix the envelope yourself. Gillian why are you so reasonable . [laughs] so lets have real talk about this, right . If what kennedy says is the reality, which it is, is the signup for President Trump to still be hanging his hat on as grounds for not conceding the general election . Ben i think that the president s path to any kind of avoidance of concession is shrinking day by day. I think thats very evident to him. I think he has shifted to making the argument in the media about this because he is frustrated with the fact that anna rapidly universal mail and regime in so many states, because of what we had this year, these unique circumstances, it removed a lotf what is normally in place that would find the kind of problems that are being detailed in a lot of these allegations. There is a reason why america doesnt have the same system as a lot of other countries when it comes to mailin balloting, and that is in part because of the differences in the way that we approach elections. Mailin balloting is probably only going to increase. It is not going to go away, so we need to have more tests put into place, i think, in order to assess these types of problems and prevent them Going Forward so that everybody in both parties can have confidence in the outcomes of elections and that we dont have a situation where we go through this every two years, Going Forward. I know that that is kind of a frustrating prospect, but it really could be the case, especially as narrowly divided as the Electoral College is as we have seen. Gillian i mean, the thought of going through this again two years from now for congressional elections. Harris i want to yield all my time right back to ben. If you could just fill in the blanks a little bit more on what is coming down the pipe with more mailin ballots because i have seen that as a possibility as well. Ben look, mailin balloting is the objective of a lot of groups, particularly on the left side of the spectrum, and i dont think that there is an unreasonable argument to be made that we want to create more access for people to be able to vote more easily. It removes a lot of the normal things that are assessed to make sure the people live in the places that they say, that they are voting in the right election and where they say. One of the questions that i have going into georgia is how many people are still registered at po boxes, which is illegal in the state, something that i think we should have an answer for. Gillian folks, weve got to move along but stick with us because on the other side, we will talk about another case emerging now. Saying do as i say, not as i do, refusing to lead by example. Weve got one lawmaker spotted out dining right after voting to ban Outdoor Dining in their state. Stick with us. Its down to the wire, the teams been working around the clock. Weve had to rethink our whole approach. Were going to give togetherness. Logistically, its been a nightmare. Im not sure its going to work. Itll work. I didnt know you were listening. [whats this . ] oh, are we kicking karly out . We live with at t. It was a lapse in judgment. At t, we called this house meeting because you advertise gigspeed internet, but we cant sign up for that here. Yeah, but im just like warming up to those speeds. Youve lived here two years. The personal attacks arent helping, karly. Dont you have like a hot pilates class to get to or something . [ muffled scream ] stop living with at t. Xfinity can deliver gig to the most homes. Another politician and apparently not following their own covid safety. Spotted dining outdoors just hours after voting to ban this. 1 of 5 elected supervisors speaking on the dangers of Outdoor Dining earlier that day. It it is magical thinking on everyones part to think that at any restaurant anywhere, the server keeps a 6foot distance from the table where he or she is taking an order. The servers are not protected from us. So it is a most dangerous situation for them. Gillian the supervisor is just the latest to phase these accusations. That includes gavin newsom who says he may impose a new lock down while he was caught at a fancy french restaurant. Lori lightfoot told people to cancel their thanksgiving plans after she was seen shouting into a bullhorn during a bite and victory party. Denvers mayor caught boarding a plane to see relatives over thanksgiving after telling his constituents to stay home for the holidays. So, sheila went and ate out in santa monica at a great restaurant, but no one else can. She is saying how dangerous it is and how seriously we have to take this. But she scarfed down a plate of food that someone else served to her. Ben i am reminded of the line by the great Norm Mcdonald in response to bill cosby where people were saying the worst thing is the hypocrisy. He was saying there are worse things than hypocrisy. The vote is the worst thing here. You shouldnt vote to prevent anybody from being able to eat out. They should be able to do the same things you are doing, and i just think this is a situation where we have some the examples over and over again of the hypocrites who show that they want to live by a different set of rules that all of those who are out there, and that is just terrible, but also an indication of who they really are. Kennedy yes, and she clearly does think it is safe. L. A. County has said they only know 3. 1 of cases come from restaurants. Indoor and outdoor. She is your supervisor, isnt she, leslie . Leslie im sorry. They cant operate on people because there are no beds. The hospitals and Health Care Workers are overburdened. Hiding from the nazies, we get our reality check. Stop being hypocritical, stop saying do as i say, not as i do. A lot of people went out tuesday night because wednesday night was when they enforce in california. If this makes us safe until we get a vaccine, lets do it for that Health Care Workers who are exhausted, working night and day, as more and more people are coming in, as we are surging here in california and other states across the country. Kennedy well, restaurants have made it safe to dine outside, but now they cant do that. Gillian. Gillian i would just point out that in addition to the hypocrisy, the hypocrisy illustrates for americans exactly why a lot of these policies dont work and arent effective. It is precisely because people cannot follow them. You cannot have restaurants open with Outdoor Dining and then tell people they cannot go there to eat. This is a perfect example of just a scenario like that. Kennedy all right, very good. Thank you all. So much fashion. 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