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United and supported House Republicans, supported the American People we could have had a very different outcome, but instead, Senate Republicans divided and in account fa, act ofly and aggressively attacked House Republicans, attacked the effort. Lets go to president obama right now. Responsible republicans came together. The first Government Shutdown in 17 years is now over. The first default in more than 200 years will not happen. These twin threats to our economy have now been lifted and i want to thank those democrats and republicans for getting together and ultimately getting this job done. Now theres been a lot of discussion lately of the politics of this shutdown, but lets be clear. There are no winners here. These last few weeks have inflicted completely unnecessary damage on our economy. We dont know yet the full scope of the damage, but every analyst out there believes it slowed our growth. We know that families have gone without paychecks or services they depend on. We know that potential homebuyers have gotten fewer mortgages and Small Business loans have been put on hold. We know that consumers have cut back on spending and that half of all ceos say that the shutdown and the threat of shutdown set back their plans to hire over the next six months. We know that just the threat of default, of america not paying all of the bills that we owe on time increased our borrowing costs which adds to our deficit. And of course, we know that the American Peoples frustration with what goes on in this town has never been high er higher. Thats not a surprise. That the American People are completely fed up with washington. In a moment when our economic recovery demands more jobs, more momentum weve got yet another selfinflicted crisis that set our economy back. And for what . There was no economic rationale for all of this. Over the past four years our economy has been growing, our businesses have been creating jobs and our deficits have been cut in half we hear some members who pushed for the shutdown said they were doing it to save the american economy, but nothing has done more to undermine our economy these past three years than the kind of tactics that create these manufactured crises and you dont have to take my word for it. The agency that put americas Credit Rating on watch the other day explicitly cited all of this. Saying that our economy remains more dynamic and resilient than other advanced economies and that the only thing putting us at risk is, and im quoting here, repeated brinksmanship. Thats what the Credit Rating agencies say. That wasnt a political statement. That was an analysis of whats hurting our economy by people whose job it is to analyze these things, that also happens to be the view of our diplomats who have been hearing from their counter parts internationally. Some of the same folks who pushed for the shutdown and threatened default claim their actions were needed to get america back on the right track, to make sure were strong, but probably nothing has done more damage to americas credibility in the world, our standing with other countries than the spectacle that weve seen these past several weeks. Its encouraged our enemies. Its emboldened our competitors and its depressed our friends who look to us for steady leadership. Now the good news is well bounce back from this. We always do. Americas the bedrock of the Global Economy for a reason. We are the indispensable nation that the rest of the world looks to as the safest and most reliable place to invest. Something thats made it easier for generations of americans to invest in their own futures. We have earned that responsibility over more than two centuries because of dynamism of our economy and our entrepreneurs, the productivity of our workers, but also because we keep our word and we meet our obligations. Thats what full faith and credit means. You can count on us, and today i want our people and our businesses and the rest of the world to know that the full faith and credit of the United States remains unquestioned. But all my friends in congress, understand that how business is done in this town has to change because weve all got a lot of work to do on behalf of the American People and that includes the hard work of regaining their trust and our system of selfgovernment doesnt function without it and now that the government is reopened and this threat to our economy is removed, all of us need to stop focusing on the lobbyists and the bloggers and the talking heads on radio and the professional activists who profit from conflict and focus what the majority of americans sent us here to do and thats grow this economy, create good jobs, strengthen the middle class, educate our kids, lay the foundation for broadbased prosperity and get our fiscal house in order for the long haul. Thats why were here. That should be our focus. That wont be easy. We all know we have divided government right now. Theres a lot of noise out there and the pressure from the extremes affect how a lot of members of congress see the day to day work thats supposed to be done here. Lets face it, the American People dont see every issue the same way, but that doesnt mean we cant make progress, and when we disagree we dont have to suggest at that time other side doesnt love this country or believe in Free Enterprise or the other rhetoric that steeps get worse every single year. If we disagree on something we can move on and focus on the things we agree on. And get some stuff done. Let me be specific on three places where i believe we can make progress right now. First, in the coming days and weeks we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget. The budget that gross our economy faster and shrinks our longterm deficits further. At the beginning of this year thats what both democrats and republicans xhilted to doing. The Senate Passed a budget. The house passed a budget and they were supposed to come together and negotiate. And had one side not decided to pursue a strategy of brinksmanship, each side could have gotten together and figured out how do we shape a budget that provides certainty to businesses and people who rely on government, provide center toe investors and our economy and wed be growing faster right now. The the good news is the legislation that i signed yesterday now requires congress to do exactly that, what it could have been doing all along and we shouldnt approach this process of creating a budget as an ideological exercise, just cutting for the sake of cutting. The issue is is not growth versus fiscal responsibility, we need growth. We need a budget that deals with most issues that americans are focused on, create better jobs that pay better wages and remember, the deficit is getting smaller, not bigger. Its going down faster than it has in the last 50 years. The challenge we have right now are not shortterm deficits its the longterm obligations that we have with medicare and social security. We want to make sure those are there for future generations. So the key now is the budget that cuts out the things that we dont need, closes Corporate Tax loopholes that dont help create jobs and frees up resources for the things that do help us grow like education, infrastructure and research and these things historically have not been partisan. And this shouldnt be as difficult as its been in past years because we already spent less than we did a few years ago. Our deficits are half of what they were a few years ago. The debt problems we have now are long term and we can address them without short changing our kids or short changing our grandkids or weakening the security that current generations have earned from their hard work. So thats number one. Number two, we should finish fixing the job of let me say that again, number two, we should finish the job of fixing our broken immigration system. Theres already a Broad Coalition across america thats behind this effort of comprehensive Immigration Reform from Business Leaders to faith leaders to law enforcement. In fact, the senate has already passed a bill with strong bipartisan support that would make the biggest commitment to Border Security in our history and would modernize our Legal Immigration system and make sure everyone plays by the same rules and make sure that folks who came here illegally have to pay a fine, pay back taxes and meet their responsibilities and that bills already passed the senate. And economists estimate that if that bill becomes law our economy would be 5 larger two decades from now. Thats 1. 4 trillion in new economic growth. The the majority of americans think this is the right thing to do. And its sitting there waiting for the house to fapass it. If the house has ideas on how to improve the bill, lets hear them and start the negotiations and lets not leave this problem to keep festering for another two years or three years. This can and should get done by the end of this year. Number three, we should pass a farm bill. One that American Farmers and ranchers can can depend on. One that protections Vulnerable Children and adults in times of need. One that gives Rural Communities opportunities to grow and the long term certainty that they deserve. Again, the senates already passed a solid, bipartisan bill. Its got support from democrats and republicans. Its sitting in the house waiting for passage. If House Republicans have ideas that they think would improve the farm bill, lets see them. Lets negotiate. What are we waiting for . Lets get this done. So passing a budget, Immigration Reform, farm bill. Those are three specific things that would make a huge difference in our economy right now and we could get them dunn by the end of the year if our focus is on whats good for the American People and its just the beg stuff. There are all kinds of things we should be doing that dont get as much attention. I know we will not suddenly agree on everything now that the cloud of crisis has passed. Democrats and republicans are far apart on a lot of issues, and i recognize there are folks on the other side who think that my policies are misguided. Thats putting it mildly. Thats okay. Thats democracy and thats how it works. We can debate those differences vigorously, passionately, in good faith through the normal democratic process. And sometimes well be too far apart to forge an agreement, but that should not hold back our efforts in areas where we do agree. We shouldnt fail to act on areas that we do agree or could agree just because we dont think its good politics. Just because the extremes in our party dont like the word compromise. I will look for willing partners wherever i can to get important work done. And theres no good reason why we cant govern responsibly despite our differences. Without lurching from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis. In fact, one of the things i hope all of us have learned these past few weeks is it turns out smart, effective government is important. It matters. I think the American People during the shutdown had a chance to get it some idea of all of the things, large and small that government does that makes a difference in peoples lives. We hear all of the time about how government is the problem. It turns out we rely on it in a whole lot of ways. Not only does it keep us strong through our military and our law enforcement. If plays a vital role with educating our kids and making sure our workers are trained for the jobs that are being created. Arming our businesses with the best science and technology so that they can compete with companies from other countries. It will plays a key role in keeping our food, toys and workplaces safe. It helps folks rebuild after a storm. It conserves our natural resources. It finances startups. It helps to sell our products overseas. It provides security to our diplomats abroad. So lets Work Together to make government work better instead of treating it like an enemy or purposely making it look worse. Thats not what the founders of the nation envisioned when they gave us this government. You dont like a particular policy or a particular president . Then argue for your position, go out there and win an election. Push to change it, but dont break it. Dont break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. Thats not being faithful to what this country is about. And that brings me to one last point. I have a simple message for all of the dedicated and patriotic federal workers who either worked without pay or had been forced off the job without pay these past weeks including most of my own staff. Thank you. Thanks for your service. Welcome back. What you do is important. It matters. You defend our country overseas. You deliver benefits to our troops who earned them when they come home. You guard our borders, you protect our civil rights. You help businesses grow and gain footholds in overseas marks and you protect the air we breathe and the water our children drink and you push the boundaries of science and space and youve got hundreds of thousands of people each day through the glories of this country. Thank you. What you do is important and dont let anyone else tell you different especially the young people who come to this city to serve. I believe that it matterses. You what . Youre right. It does. And those of us who have the privilege to serve this country have an obligation to do our job as best we can and we come from different parties, but we are Americans First and thats why disagreement cannot mean dysfunction. It cant degenerate into hatred. The American Peoples hopes and dreams matter, not ours. Our obligations are to them. Our regard for them compels us all, democrats and republicans to cooperate. And compromise and act in the best interests of our nation, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank very much. President obama wrapping up his remarks this morning talking about getting the federal Government Back up and running, thanking furloughed workers right there. A heartfelt thanks to so many who have been working some without pay. I understand the room there was filled with some of those workers from the president s staff, but saying thank you to the furloughed workers and thanking them for their service and welcoming them back. Also saying the disagreement in washington, d. C. Is expected, but it cant mean dysfunction and we cant take the beautiful government that has been given to us by our predecessors and utilize it to break it which is what weve been watching in washington, d. C. , congressman Charlie Rangel was with me and you watched the speech with me and at the end there you say you got it. You got it. Well, i was very moved. He talked about the america that i love so much. The america that took me out of the streets of lennox avenue and gave me the the g. I. Bill and allowed me to serve in the congress. Hes talking about the america that has hope that the people in washington can only help them to achieve it and it was so moving because i really think thats what most americans think. We dodged a bullet last night, but we know that theres hate out there, and the president mentioned it. Because Intelligent Minds prevailed in the senate and some in the House Republicans, they came together, and its not withstandeding the depth of emotional feelings and trying to obtain a political, legislative goal, lets not allow our country to fall apart fiscally. The president said that treating our government like its an enemy or just going out of your way to make it worse is not how things are done in washington, d. C. And how it operates and it needs to change and i think we just watched the president there lay out the rest of his president ial agenda. Were talking about hopefully a grand bargain. Moving on to Immigration Reform. What got people off guard was the farm bill and how realistic is it for president obama knowing what weve come from and what we lived through. They resist helping people and when i say they im talking about a small group of people, but, you know, the president used the word hate, and i didnt want to be provocative on your show, but the truth of the matter is its well known that a small group of people met before he became president and met after he was and they werent talking about improving the quality of life of america and they were talking about bringing down president obama and anything that looks and sounds like his accomplishment and it was so selfdefeating because youre dealing with people that dont care about being a republican. They dont care about the Republican Party and they dont mind losing and putting america on the brink of losing the fiscal integrity that has been severely abused. 144 republicans voted against this ceasefire among us. And so, thomas, i just hope that whatever hatred people have in a small part of the Republican Party, they run up and down with the Confederate Flag and they have cartoons and caricatures and that, they say so many insulting things and not just obama, but to our National President and they attack government as though theyre not the recipients of the very same thing that the president was talking about. They need to be swallowed by the business community, the religious community. People have to tell them that the objectives may be realistic, but the way that they want to achieve them, they cant do it at expense of the country. Disagreement cannot mean for dysfunction. Great to have you on set with me. Thank you so much. Peter alexander joins me now from the north lawn of the white house. It looks like the sun is truly shining in washington, d. C. And things are back to normal, so to speak. Peter . Tom a the sun may be out and a lot of americans believe there are plenty of more gray days ahead. This was a frustrated and also angry president obama that we heard from just a matter of moments ago, trying to break this fever hoping he wouldnt have to deal with this again and now in his second term and clearly, he does and for all of the selfcongratulations that we witnessed on capitol hill yesterday that there was finally some form of a compromise. Theres really no indication of how they get out of this mess and how they avoid this chaos in the future as it was described by one. Our Long National nightmare is only temporarily over. Weve taken down the countdown clocks on the screen, but were only 90 days away from when the country potentially faces another Government Shutdown. 113 days away before they have to come up with some new deal to extend americas Borrowing Limit and despite what we heard from the folks addressing this issue and we also heard from joe biden, the Vice President greeting returned furloughed workers. Is there any guarantee that this wont happen again . No guarantees. Peter alexander, thanks so much. Here is the big question of the day. Have republicans learned their lesson from the shutdown showdown. We ask you to weigh in on twitter and facebook, regardless of breaks. Well take one more right after this. When we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. I can tell you safety is at the heart of everything we do. Weve added cuttingedge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a stateoftheart monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twentyfourseven. And were sharing what weve learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. Our commitment has never been stronger. You dont like a particular policy or a particular president , then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it, but dont break it. The president there was just speaking moments ago about the tactics by some lawmakers in washington that led to a 16day Government Shutdown. One of his quotes saying they have been treating it like an enemy or making it work worse. Joining me now is hardball host chris matthews. What do you think of the tone that the president was trying to achieve with this. It was perfect. No victory lap. Its done. Its already done. We dont know the numbers yet, but in terms of Consumer Confidence slowing toward production going toward the the holidays and christmas the damage has been done. This wasnt street theater. Theres a cost here. Behind that cost was an insult to the American People and to our government. The willingness of the people, and not john boehner, he had to go along with it. They wanted to stop everything, and pay the price of default and worrying about the value of our word and signature all because they believe and this is a scary prospect, about 30 of the country thinks theyre better american than the rest of us. They say we the American People. Ted cruz, he speaks for the American People even though the numbers show hes a minority. You know why . They believe theyre better americans. When they see that the country voted it for obama they say that was just minorities. That was just the liberals in the big cities. Theyre not americans. Americans votes should count for more. They never gave him a honeymoon. They never respected him being president and a bunch think hes an illegal immigrant because hes not one of them or one of us as they call themselves and you did see it on the face of ted cruz. Every time he speaks hes got that hurt look. Somehow hes been wronged. We have to take back our government, from whom . Who are the u. S. People returning the government . They dont want to admit the americans are running this government and the American People elected this twice and it was passed by the senate with 60 votes and passed by the house and signed by the president and they dont respect that, you know why . Because we didnt pass it. We, the true american patriots, the super patriots and the irony is they have the Confederate Flag. Whats that got to do with patriotism and they do it all. By the way, he was speaking to that today and if you want to change something, argue. Win an election. You what . They take that as an insult because they dont think they cant win the election. The president respects divided government and respects the disagreement. Well have disagreement as long as we live. The country is in the middle politically divided by two sides and the only way well resolve things is getting together and compromising and those people think compromise means dealing with the enemy. You know who the enemy is according to mike leigh and all of the other people that hang around cruz . Its the people who vote for obama. Theyre the enemy. If we look at what the president laid down in terms of what he can achieve in the rest of his time at the white house, we see him talking about a grand bargain, potentially, advocates for Immigration Reform are probably solidified in seeing the president raise their flag today and also the farm bill which i think might have caught people by surprise. Im sorry to jump away from your question because i think he has his own legitimate agenda. The focus is do the majority have a right to run this country and does the majority still matter . Is it paramount . Is that to be respected . You look at cruzs face. He doesnt respect the reelection of president obama. Look at mike leigh. They all run around as if we have all of these white people around there, but if theyre better americans than the rest and we represent them, so what theyre saying and it was on hannity last night. We cant wait for round two. Theyll keep this on a rotational basis every two months because what they want to do is bring down this government and not just obama care. They want to bring him down. We talked about 90 days. Turmoil. I think what they want to they want continual anger. They want to stir up the people in the right. Make them hate obama care and use the big money they can get. Look at the advertising against obama care. Its 500 million to 75 million in terms of advertising. They want to keep pounding this guy and they want to shake him. The president can be aloof and he can be away and not hang out with congressmen. Im for all of the criticisms, and he came through today. That was a threepointer. This town has to change the way we do business. It has to go back to what it was. When you actually negotiated and there are signs of health here. At the Republican Congress the chairman of the committees who know how government should be run were yelling regular reuter. What it meant was stop all of the street theater. Stop all of the commotion. Get back to passing appropriations bills, passing budget resolutions, having the house and senate meet, and get something done the good way which is democratic, but the rabble rousers want to shake things up and keep things so confused and angry that somehow the government gets shaken loose from its bearings. All it was doing was hurting the American People and luckily for the country they lost, but i dont think theyre going stop. Do you think the gop will learn anything from this fight . John boehner never liked these people on the hard right. He doesnt like them. He needs 217 to govern and he needs 30 of these people to keep governing and what he ought to do is start proposing things that 30 or 40 democrats can go along with or working with nancy pelosi to get things done, but its hard because ive said again, theres 30 out there and they dont think obama will is president. They dont think obama care is the law of the land. They treat everything with disrespect and its like in an old movie when you get the other guy and whack him in the face with your glove and say i disrespect you. Lets duel. Chuck todd called it a bill. He kept referring to obama care as a bill. You know why . He wants to disrespect it. Disrespect for institutions, for the election of a president , for the American Voter who elected him is a real problem and why they can call themselves patriots as they do that is highly inconsistent. The patriot is the person who accepts laut and the patriot is the person who believes in compromise and believes in government. Chris mauths, thanks so much. Hes up against formidable enemies and unfortunately, theyre not going stop. You had the book party in new york last night. Congratulations. They had a great party last night. Be sure to watch hardball weeknights at 7 00 eastern on msnbc. Thank you, sir. Terry gall is from the root, and judd legam is the editor in chief. Thanks for your patience. I want to start quickly with the winners and losers out of what weve seen in washington, d. C. You say the women have been the winners. I tip my hat to the president for proclaiming that there are no winners and there certainly were. Women were definitely winners because you look at senators like Susan Collins who is one of the leading proponents to change the tone of the discourse. She and six female senators created a Bipartisan Coalition and it helped shift the discourse. I have to say that debbie wassermanschulze had said that if more women were involved this wouldnt have happened. When there are more women onboard, theres more consensus building and more compromise. Do all of the words sound familiar. Those are the words that we needed to help in the shutdown. It would be nice if we had more women in the room. The loser out of all of this, someone fought you on thshgs ted cruz and the tea party brand. The numbers tell the story which is the tea party favor is at an alltime high. 40 , among those under 30, only 25 have a favorable opinion and whats interesting, thomas, is the numbers have jumped the most around republicans. Thats a real problem for republicans going into midterms. Ted cruz, his individual favorable has skyrocketed and the general population and other republicans is in real tough shape and hes in for a primary in the home state of texas. You sea the pollsters because they were an impetus in the agreement. I would say its the same winner as the 2012 election which is pollsters. Democratic and republican pollsters were pretty much in agreement before about the shutdown that people might not be sure about obama care, but they hated the idea of shutting down the government and completely hated it and once again there were people unskewing and rejiggering those numbers and saying that wouldnt happen and they would be okay and then the polls came out during the shutdown that were devastating for republicans and one of the impetus is for the deal that ended the shutdown. It made a real difference. Quickly, you say the rnc chair is the loser in all of this. Reince priebus, the rnc chair again after the 2012 election came out with an extremely long diagnosis of the partys problems that they needed to fix with minority, women, young voters and especially with people outside the conservative base in general. This shutdown enraged all of them like never before and even worse, the underlying dynamic of it shows that Republican Leaders in congress are really more insulated than ever. They feel the need to listen even more to their most conservative members. Theyre thinking about less and less about how to reach to people who dont think of themselves as republican or conservative. I think priebus was set back. You picked ted cruz as a winner in all of this. I think you have to look at what his goal was. If you think his goal was that he really, truly believed that this was going to end with obama defunding obama care that would defund his signature legislative accomplishment, he didnt win, but if he was trying to raise his National Profile and if he was going start winning straw polls which were going for 2016. If he wanted to add to the email fundraising list and start to increase his capacity to raise money and really position himself as kind of the next sarah pail lin on the right and ultimately that was his goal. The American People turned out to be the the big losers after all of this. S yes. Absolutely. A 24 billion hit to the economy, more than half a percentage point off the gdp growth this quarter, theres another study that showed all of this brinksmanship has cost the economy 900,000 jobs and while the federal workers are going to get their money back, people who were on salary from this furlough, a lot of contractors and people who were line cooks in the smithsonian, and other people who were out of work for the 16 days that are not going to get their money back. We saw the president banking the furloughed workers and i want to throwity on my pick, its a winner and is a loser at the same time. 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So when we came down for breakfast at 6 00 a. M. For breakfast and gave them the official word they were just so excited. Its a relief. Totally happy to be back. I love my job. I love my coworkers so its really good to be able to see them again and get back to work. So, yes, the government is back open for business. Thats good news for the visitors out young and old at the newly reopened monuments in washington, d. C. And across the country. Its good news for hundreds of thousands of federal employees, but as president obama pointed out, the impact on the economy and americans, it still lasts. We know that consumers have cut back on spending and that half of all ceos say that the shutdown and the threat of shutdown set back their plans to hire over the next six months. In fact, Standard Poors projects 24 billion on our economy and a 1 loss in Fourth Quarter growth. As they put it, we thought politicians would have learned from 2011. Joining me now is robert reich professor of economics and creator of the new documentary inequality for all thats in theaters right now. Its great to have you here and the data that the president referred to, it came from the federal reserves beige book for Business Owners across the country. They tell the fed that theyre holding off on things like building ordering and hiring. How permanent do you think this Ripple Effect of damage is here . Its fairly permanent, thomas. Remember, this is just a ceasefire. We have a new deadline, 30 days from now with regard to another possible shutdown and or 90 dayses and there is a possibility over another fight over the debt lemity and thimit businesses that want to plan for the future cannot plan for the future. They have time horizons in terms of hiring people for a year or more. These deadlines now hang over the economy and continue to hang over the economy and that will continue to hold back hiring. As youre pointing out, the speculation is right back at the beginning of 2014. It funds the government through january the 15th and this debt ceiling deadline being january 7th. Just a remind tore everybody, you were the labor secretary during the last shutdown and what should the the postshut down strategy be to prevent the repeat especially since its so close to the timing that weve just gone through. After the 1996 shutdown, the big difference is republicans seemed to have learned their lesson. Gingrich who was then speaker of the house. He was essentially on his way down. He was on a downward escalator. Republicans were defeated and they quite publicly said that theyre not going to try to shut down the government again. Here, we have a completely different generation and we have jerry handered districts. Most republicans are facing challengers at all. Those challenges were in primary contexts and those were safe districts in terms of general elections and what are those primary challengers going to say . Those primary challengers are probably going say to the incumbents what have you done to stop obama care. What have you done to shrink the size of government and given that weir going into budget negotiations and a possible shutdown in january looms, well, i think it stands to reason that many of those republicans are going to use the possible shutdown as bargaining leverage in the budget negotiations. So this thing is not over. In terms of the economy, unfortunately, the economy is still going to be shaken by it. Also three months down the line there will be more hard data of what the the aca and the access to it means. Do you think that thats going to be incorporated and leverage will be used out of that. The leverage that republicans didnt have now . Yes. The republicans are going to use every piece of leverage they have. I think, though, that what they have learned particularly from the business community. Remember, the stock and bond markets reacted very, very badly to the republican threats. Corporate ceos and the major trade associations from washington, they said openly they that will not be lost on at least the establishment republicans, some of the adults in the Republican Party. They will use that in terms of trying to get some of the mavericks under control. So we have a continuing civil war in the Republican Party. That is not over. That dynamic is going to shape very much what we see for the government, for the economy over the next three and four months. Former labor secretary robert reiss. Thanks for being here. The lesson from the shutdown. No tea party newbies go a rush out of attention. Hermon, no, come january they will hold the government hostage again. From john, well find out in january. Keep the comments coming in on twitter and facebook. Its time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that wont relieve all your symptoms. New alka seltzer plusd relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. Oh what a relief it is. All right. So theres a new sender in t senator, core y booker carried 55 of the vote in the special election. He focused his victory speech on the divide in washington. I heard it all over new jersey, urban to suburban to rural, from democrats, independents and republicans. I heard from everybody. They all said to me if we put you in washington, dont go down there to score victories for a party or politics but go down there to work for people. Anthony weiner has a new theory about why he lost his bid to be new yorks mayor. Hes blaming word wide web. He told gq if he was born before the age of the internet he would be mayor. Thank you, internet. The garden at the white house has new occupants, thanks to being neglected during the shutdown, the squirrel and fox who hasnt been caught on camera. 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