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Republicans that would say they would join democrats. Speaker boehner said it is not true and its open to interpretation if it went on floor. A lot on capitol hill think it would be true and the president offering that challenge. Where you see the both sides now, toure, they are staking out positions, president obama says he will not negotiate on a grand bargain or large scale compromise until the government is funded and debt limit is raised and Speaker Boehner saying thats not a position to have. Take a listen to what he said on the house floor. The president s refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk. American people expect when their leaders have differences, were in a time of crisis, that well sit down and at least have a conversation. Really, mr. President , its time to have that conversation before our economy is put further at risk. So here we are on monday, toure and back to where we started last week. Both sides holding firm in their positions. Whats going to be interesting as we move forward, harry reid wants to put a clean debt limit extension as later in week. How many votes that will get. And john boehner has said repeatedly to his colleagues that he wants to avoid a debt limit catastrophe that would cause a default. They dont want to go down that road by any means. The question becomes is john boehner extract any concession from the white house in order to extend the debt limit and fund the government . So far democrats are saying they dont want to engage in that because it sets a precedent for House Republicans to use government funding to extract things. Thats where it is. Where it ends, nobody knows. If anybody says they know, they are full of it. Weve had millions of theories, i can tell you from talking to the rank in file republicans, they do not see any way forward to get the government funded or to get the debt limit extended in to solely republican votes. Its unclear from president obama will get Speaker Boehner to do that. Its a gloomy monday here and gloom y prospect. You talk about how gloomy things are on the hill. One last quick question, what do you think youll see first, an end to the shutdown or Buffalo Bills winning another Football Game . The Buffalo Bills play october 13th against the bengals with a quarterback whos a duke graduate bengals are way better. Luke russert, thanks again. Harry reid calling senator cruz, the new quote, joint speaker of the house, saying elehelecheleh the house on occasion and saying hes hooking for obama care leverage in any debt ceiling deal. In my view the debt ceiling, we should look for three things. Number one, we should look for some significant structural plan to reduce government spending. Number two, we should avoid new taxes and number three, look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. You think that some facet of the president S Health Care plan should be attached to an increase in the debt ceiling . The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that congress has to reign in the executives so, yes . Yes, yes. Wow. Cruz was backed up by fellow shutdown supporter florida congressman ted yoho, youre seeing the tremor before the tsunami here, im not going to raise the debt ceiling and added, i think personally think it would bring stability to the world markets. Wow. A check on the markets show they are all down. Jonathan allen at the Washington Post, the Washington Post bureau chief at politico is up right now. Ted cruz seems to be doubling down in the insanity and telling us this thing is nowhere near over . Your words not mine, toure. But i believe this is nowhere near over. You mentioned ted yoho and yolo, hes taking a risk that republicans will only live once in terms of political fates if theres a debt ceiling crisis. And they are blamed by the american public. Similarly for the president if he ends taking the blame, that could hurt his legacy. Omg, i love seeing you use yolo in your political analysis. Its a rainy monday in washington, what can i do . You have to find the freshness where you can get it. What i want to ask you about specifically is john cornyn who is the whip of the republicans in the senate. And take a look at what he just said, ill read to you, on the question of a clean debt ceiling he said never has happened and never is going to happen. That was just this week. Earlier this year in january he said well raise the debt ceiling, were not going to default on our debt. I will tell you unequivocally were not going to default. How do we go from this republican senator in january unequivocally saying were not going to default and now saying not only the opposite, the opposite plus the word never, which is not something youre supposed to use in reasonable negotiations. Youre seeing a Senate Republican leader who earlier believed the best strategy for his party was to raise the debt ceiling without actually going into default. Then transitioning as he found out his caucus wasnt with him on that. There are a lot of republican senators that at least want to attach something to a debt ceiling increase. I dont think there are very many people in the capitol if any who want to see a default. That said where they prioritize raising debt ceiling behind other issues is another question. And i think for some of them defunding obama care in particular is a more important issue. Getting something as one congressman said last week without defining what the something was is more important. So they dont want to be disrespected, jonathan, you can get that, right . Why not hold the whole country hostage and credit rating, its all about respect at the end of the day. You were writing about the conventional shutdown wisdom that wasnt. A lot of people were very confident how this was going to play out and youre pointing out it hasnt played out the way many predicted. One piece of that is conventional wisdom was the house gop is ruled by wall street, once wall street got upset they would have to make a deal. We havent seen that yet, but do you think the dynamic might change. The Washington Post is reporting Tea Party Congressman could be potentially facing a primary not from the right, not from the further right tea party but from a governance establishment that actually wants to see the country function . Do you think thats a broader trend we could see . I think democrats and some republicans have wanted to see that for a long time funded moderate candidates against conservatives. That said, im not sure its going to work and its a Small Laboratory in one particular district with the congressman whose voting record is unique to say the least. He votes present a lot. I do think theres a situation that washington has failed to grasp, both democrats and republicans. For the longest time it was considered obvious that the republicans were close to wall street and big business and that would drive their party. What you saw i think from the day that t. A. R. P. Vote failed on house floor in 2008 on is a stronger vein of populism that rejects big institutions, wall street or the government here in washington. Jonathan, the question is, what price will republicans have to pay for this come 2014 . A new polling does suggest that the Government Shutdown may be hurting the gop and some of these republican controlled districts as we know until now safe districts. Democrats need to pick up 17 of those and its based on these results if the election were held today, a pickup is actually within reach for democrats. Jonathan, shouldnt the possibility of losing the house be of serious concern for republicans . I think its something that should be of concern to republicans or any party that holds control of the chamber. But one of the reasons were seeing this fight play out now instead of at the end of the year last year 2012 or before then in the same terms, i think more than a year removed from an election. There will be a lot of politics to play out before 2014. As far as the polling goes, it maybe the republicans are more vulnerable than they would have been otherwise however they are being matched against generic opposition candidates. If in fact that happened, maybe things would move more smoothly. That would be nice. I dont think youll see republican punished for this, well see them rewarded but well dig into that more in the next blog can i clarify, i meant it would be smoother if generic congressional candidates were elected period, not that set in the 17th district. A plus hit from you as usual. 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First of all, let me play a little bit of what the president said today at fema. Take a listen. Theres not a subject that im not willing to engage in. What ive said is that i cannot do that under the threat that if republicans dont get 100 of their way their going to shut down the government or they are going to default on americas debt. What were not willing to do is create a permanent pattern in which unless you get your way, the government is shut down or america defaults. Reporter so they are in intractable positions. Boehner is not reopening the government until the president is willing to negotiate and white house says they are not going to negotiate anything until the republicans reopen government and raise the debt ceiling. Well, we tried to pin jay carney down and ask him how long . What is it you want . You want it to be clean but is there a period of time . Is it six weeks, a year, three months . What is it youre looking for. Carney would not be pinned down on a specific time period. What does that mean . The cooling off period you can see the compromise is sitting there waiting to be had. You do a six, eightweek clean spending bill and clean raise in the debt ceiling. After this period you have a forced conversation that everybody claims they want to have. If does feel as if boehner wanted to find a way out that allowed him to keep his claim that he stuck to his guns and that the white house would feel as if they stuck to their guns, its all sitting right there. Nobody seems to want to grab it. Let me get you to weigh in. Do you think out of this the house will end upturning blue . Reporter its hard to figure it out how it happens but i wouldnt rule it out. The map is a mess as far as how its gerrymandered and how selfinsulated some of these members are. But it isnt it wouldnt take much, right . They only need they dont need 35 seats, 40 seats. I think they only need 15 or 16 when all is said and done. Could you see that scenario . I think you could. If if things really went off the cliff and the economy went down and the republicans are bearing the brunt, look, i think there are more swing voters than we sometimes give voters credit for. It would mean democrats would have to win the quote unquote generic ballot by eight or nine or ten points but that happens in wave elections. Its more possible than some people give it credit for. Chuck todd with the depressing message that the solution may be rescheduling this mess for six weeks down the road. I want to bring in time magazines mike grun wald, the new new deal, now out in paperback. Mike, i want to start with your book. Sort of the central these sis is that the Obama Presidency and stimulus act was transformational than its being given credit for. Are republicans undermining the progress with their hamstringing of the Obama Presidency, under mining the progress that you saw made in the first term . Remember in the book i described how even before Obama Took Office there was secret meetings where Congressional Republicans on the house side led by eric cantor and senate side by Mitch Mcconnell were plotting their conspiracy to be this party of no. Were going to fight everything this guy does, even though at the time that took a lot of guts, at the time he was pretty popular. Few Million People on the mall saying yes we can. They realized most americans dont follow the day to day what happens in washington. They see are they getting along or are they kind of still the same old dysfunctional mess . And one party can make sure its still a same old dysfunctional mess. And thats happened again and again with the lame duck deal and the fiscal cliff and the sequester and the shutdown and now the default. Its it happens again and again. Theres no reason to think its going to change. As they say, dont write a tweet you wouldnt want read on national tv. As the old saying goes. I created myself. You tweet, obama is so on stin at he wont even discuss underscoring the absurdity of this. There are a number of people asking where is the white house, theres been a real lack of leadership and lack of involvement from the president. We heard Chris Matthews speak on our show last week and heres Chris Matthews back in august. The key political asset is the ability to sit in a room with four or five other people and accept the leadership. He doesnt have that. He never developed, a love, thats the right word, love of politics and other politicians to sit around and play cards and get to know them. Nuances and how to get to them, their hooks and triggers and buttons and figure out how to work with some of them. Obama is good at golf, but maybe he needs to get better at playing cards . Its probably a correct analysis of obama but im not sure how this gets fixed over cards. This is obama has already given in on the funding levels from the sequester . The reason that the United States isnt europe right now is because we didnt adopt the extreme austerity that you saw abroad in 2009 and 2010. But now hes kind of giving in on the absolute spending levels. The idea that at a time when the republicans saying, we want to keep the government open and not default on our debt and obama is saying, i want to keep the government open and not default on debt. Why should he say, what do you want in exchange for doing that . Its hard to see how that could be a really productive discussion. Mike, obviously Chris Matthews has forgotten about politics than i will ever know. I cant stand when anybody brings about if only obama were more charming or played month are golf with them. Ari did a fantastic piece, obama has played golf with many people and govelfing is not the proble. He play eed poker with folks in chicago. Everyone knows the answer is to play twister together. Have they tried that yet . Tell me, mike, have they tried that yet . The real problem is the idealogical polarization in this country is higher than any time than the civil war. Theres almost no intersection between the coalition that elected the president and the one that elected the majority in the house. We only have 17 representatives in the house in districts that obama won. And most of those are still in safe red districts. So that is the problem here really. Thats right. Most of the republicans in congress, right, they are readi reading on the 2012 election is we won, im still here. They have to worry about a tea Party Challenge from the right. That makes it very difficult. After theyve spent the last four or five years running around talking about this crazy socialist in the white house who is a monster and tyrant, its hard to say ive done this wonderful deal and it will move the country forward. It makes it very difficult, ultimately i think probably obama will have to offer some kind of fake concession. Boehner will have to accept it and pretend hes actually won something. And then well like krystal said come back and do it again in a couple of months. You cant get to a deal without a clear policy goal, you cant negotiate a contract unless both know what they want. Let me read you a quote. Enactment of a cr would contain 64 billion in less spending compared to the current funding levels president obama signed into law a mere five months ago, he would be endorsing a level of spending that wipes away all of the increases he and democrats made while in charge and returns us to pre2008 levels of discretionary spending. Take a guess. Its probably a republican leader because theyve been saying this all along. Its just like during the 2012 election, when they ran against obamas medicare cuts then two weeks later they were arguing in the fiscal cliff it was eric cantor one month ago, a republican leader in the house. What do you do this is our last question. What do you do with someone like that, i want x and we give you x and then he says, no i want Something Else . How do you know the next thing you give to your point about a symbolic concession, how do you know hell accept that when hes in fundamentally dishonest . This is the story i wrote about in the book and true five years ago, that kind of yesterday didnt matter. You spent eight years blowing up the deficit on january 20th, 2009, you become deficit hawks. Its very difficult. I dont know how you deal with it. You can say this just shows why you cant negotiate with the terrorists, but the fact is youve got to avoid a default. A default would be devastating for real people, not just in the United States but around the globe. Thats why hopefully theres some kind of fake solution that can make everybody happy. Hopefully a fake solution. Michael grunwald, the author of the new new deal. Thanks for your time. Up next, another issue fiercely dividing the capitol. 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The dow, s p and nasdaq all open lower from the start this morning. And its been the same story since the dow, at one point at a one month low. Jack lew said the president will not negotiate with republicans over changing the health law or raising the debt ceiling and were going to reach our Borrowing Limit in just ten days. Were learning more today about twin weekend raids in libya and somalia that resulted in the capture of a top al qaeda leader. U. S. Commandos got anas al libi wanted in connection with the 1988 attacks in our embassies in kenya and tanzania. In the somalia raid, it was an attempt to capture suspects behind the mall bombing that killed at least 67 people. The Supreme Court began its new term this morning. They turned away hundreds of appeals, including virginias bid to revive an antisod omy law. A case deals with the aggregate amount of moneys that americans can give to political campaigns. The suit was brought by an alabama businessman who says limiting his donation dollars violates his First Amendment rights. Some are calling is the sequel to citizens united. A 9yearold boy snuck on to a plane over the weekend. He was running away from home. Boarded without a ticket from the airport in minneapolis, made it on flight to las vegas. He made it past not one, not two but three Security Check points without being noticed. What . Crew members on the plane became suspicious when they realized he didnt have adults with him. Thats a good trigger. Is he a ninja . Further reporting on that. Thats an incredible story. The president yesterday took a break from talking about the ted cruz shutdown to dip into d. C. s actual favorite subject, the local football team. He didnt touch on the low, low, low quality of their play this season. Sad but true. He dug into the bubbling controversy over the teams nick name. I dont think there are any redskins fans that mean offense. Ive got to say if i were the owner of the team, and i knew that there was a name of my team even if it had a storied history that was offending a sizable group of people, i would think about changing it. This has been a controversial issue for a while. Several prominent sports journalism rist, david king are diving in by refusing to use the teams name in discussing them. Im going to do that as we spin. Its amazing in 2013 we still have a blatantly racist slur as the name of a major american professional sports team. And the widespread usage of this over and over again only normalizes this idea. I cant imagine any other slur for any racial or ethnic group in america that could be the name of a sports team. This high lights the sort of low level of respect that a lot of us have for American Indians in those groups. And this sort of normalization of the word is disgusting and dangerous and a lot of people want to point to polls, look at this group of American Indians who would say they are not offended. I think that relates to the ways people can become very comfortable with their own oppression. Look at that, you have nearly 80 who want to keep the name. Thats what im saying, you have a lot of time. Women, blacks, American Indians become comfortable with their own oppression and participate in it. I just think this sort of common sense cal thing, go up to a group of American Indians and call them this thing and see what happens to you. Then theyll probably tell you, no, no, we dont want you to keep that name in your mouth. What are these managers looking at . From a business perspective, a lot goes into changing a name of any big Athletic Team and seeing four out of five dont want the name changed and majority of native americans dont have a problem for a time segregation was up for business. Is that okay . Look what do champions have to do with anything . I recognize in a tough position. They were up for debate in 199 p, Miami University had the same name and changed it to the red hawks. They set this precedent that people were obviously felt disrespected by this name. They were able to change it. It was not a huge deal. But then say where do you draw the line . You cant change names willy nilly, you look at the seminoles or chiefs. None of those are slurs. Dan snyder is thinking hell make more money if i keeps the offensive name. Whether or not its racist is a separate inquiry than if people think its racist. One thing in researching, one is from the phipps fro clamation, not just skin as the skin of indians but from a proation, for every skin of indian, well give 20 pounds for the scalp. The blood on the scalp itself being one of the roots of this name which many critics pointed out should give you chills, its literally related to gen no side in this country. I picked a couple of alternatives. Youre a solutions guy. You know that about me. How about washington lobbyists. They always win. Number two, my second idea, the Washington Tea Party patriots, they will break the rules to win. Excellent. My third idea, this is free for the nfl, the washington filibusters, you cant stop them. Oh, very well done. How much better would it be if they paid you. Look how proud of himself he is. Did you get a side shot i was resting my hands. From the snyder perspective, i bet they could sell a lot of merchandise. Would you, krystal ball, as a congressional dork, would you get a filibuster t shirt. Hell yeah, im also a washington sports fan and few who would like to see the name changed, i also came up with an alternate inspired by ted cruz. The washington whacko birds. Has a nice ring to it. They are that the crazy. Thats my addition to the conversation. You know where we stand. Should the team from washington change their name . If so, what should they change it to . Jeff suggests, the washington gridlocks. Like us on facebook and weigh in. Up next, a congressman who is keeping the dream alive no matter what his colleagues do. Louis gutierrez takes a seat at the table next and lets play something from my man kid kuddy as we go to break. Good job still running in the morning . Yeah. Getting your vegetables every day . When i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] couldve had a v8. Two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. Two full servings of vegetables ve got nice long ld. Big plans. So when i found out medicare doesnt pay all my medical expenses, i got a Medicare Supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if youre eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. Call now and find out about an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. 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Youve heard our Coverage Today and understand the frustration. Heres what i believe, in talking to colleagues, im not going to name them. That would be inappropriate. I want continue to have a relationship with them. There are enough votes to have a clean cr, its clear there are two dozen republicans and im not like some magician that happens to understand. They are there 22 republicans, absolutely. They are there and probably more. They want to settle this. Give us a clean cr and lets go back to the budget. The president ace original budget was 1. 2 trillion. I think paul ryans was 975, were like 9 thats where we made the budget. Theyve come an enormous way. We are in sequester numbers. Why cant they just say we won and move on. I think they are a little afraid of being primaried from the right and going home to become private citizens again. Immigration resform, extremely important to you and extremely important to the country. It went to the house and it seemed to be starting to die. Would you and other folks who are believe in this bill, who i would be willing to soften it or weaken to get the republican support you need to get it revived again . Theres conversations going on, its two, three, dinner and breakfast, lets get together and lets talk. Those conversations are ongoing. The reason i say that is because its always the fact check in washington, d. C. Ill say it there are 45 republicans ready for kprens i have been re comprehensive reform and theres at least 180 to 190 democrats, more than ever before. So we have the votes. All they have to do but like obama care, they have been demagoguing against this for so as long as, this seems it has going to be hard to get republicans to turn around unless we change what were proposing. I believe there are sufficient numbers to do exact, some of the let me go to the chase. I want to get to conference. Thats where its at. Let me just in 2007, i remember going with the chairman of the Judiciary Committee and going down there and finding Senate Democratic senators, begging them, do it were in the majority. Lets get to conference. We have to get to conference. I think that is the unique place. What do the house you know what they say . Conference equals amnesty and that means conference equals justice equals fairness. They call you the unlikely congressional duo. Worked together for comprehensive reform and gotten hits from democrats how can you work with someone so far from you on issues like the budget. Where do you find the trust . Youre a catholic, im a catholic, we cannot have thats values. He says hes for a pathway to citizenship and eliminates underhes working with long with others and thats what we have to do is build that trust. Heres what happens, the very extreme right spends hundreds and thousands of dollars against them during the august recess. I go back to my Democratic Caucus and people look at me, what are you doing . We got to get the majority back. I keep saying we have to stop the deportations. Yes. And we have to stop this incredible. And doing my job what you can tell them. There were 201 democrats, we cant do it. Youve got to work together. Would you do us a favor and bring your bff paul ryan back and we can talk about immigration again. Lets do it. The book is Still Dreaming. We have school yard power and politics, theres been a lot of talk about mean girls and great movie under that title. We are going into a tough reality for a truly Vulnerable Group in our country today, boys. Even when we cross our ts and dot our is, we still run into problems. Thats why Liberty Mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness if you qualify, and new car replacement standard with our auto policies. So call Liberty Mutual today. And if you switch, you could save up to 423. Liberty mutual insurance. Responsibility. 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I dont know, i mean, my mom says that women prefer guys with a good sense of humor. Youre not very funny. Oh, the days of adoll less cents, ala mean girls and lindsay lohan. Based on a new book, boys may actually have it worse. They are far more likely to struggle with a learning disability and do worse in school and decreasingly earning bachelors degrees. One fact thats sad and surprising, boys commit suicide five times the rate of girls. All while hiding their feelings and saying everything is fine. Here as part of the nbcs special education nation series is roselyn wiseman, queen bees and want to be, inspired the movie mean girls. Already a New York Times best seller and clearly communication is part of the problem. How do we begin breaking down barriers when society reinforces the problem. When i did masterminds i had boys help me, from fourth grade to 12th grade and they told me about things bothering them why its so hard to talk to adults, from parents and coaches and teachers. What they are really telling us is they need to be respected. In that theyve got complex lives and friendships that are difficult and need guidance. Whats so hard so that often times we say to them, boys are simple, they just fight and its over. When we keep seeing that to them, boys them we cant go to them for help because we will not believe them. Part of the problem you point out in the book in the chapter talking about why doesnt batman ever smile . Icons that boys gravitate towards because society pushes them toward them, are icons that have very limited emotional range. You talk about halo and other things like that and athletes, Peyton Manning and lebron james and other sorts of people. They never express sadness or fear or anxiety. It reinforces the idea that boys should have a limited emotional vocabulary. My boys love a lot of those guys you just mentioned, my own sons and theres nothing wrong with being confident and strong willed and getting up after youve been down. All of those things want to ins. But at the same time, just like you said, when i talk to boys about batman, batmans face never changes. Its always about being disdainful or angry. And so what i ask boys, what does it look like when batman is in love or enthusiastic or really, really sad . How does that how is that expressed and the boys say exactly the same, always looks like hes angry. Ross lynn, i have a 5yearold little girl but i now have a baby boy so your book really touched me and spoke to me. What advice do you have there he is. Gratuitous baby pic. What advice do you have, though, for parents about talking to their boys, when you should intervene and not. What would you say . Well, you know, honestly, one of the things thats most important is please do not freak out. The boys sometimes parents feel like theyre being well meaning and being the mama bears or daddy bears when they go and fight for their kids rights or get mad at the coach or mad at a teacher. I have to tell you that our boys are very, very clear that if they see us freaking out on people, they are never going to talk to us when there is a problem. And for this this isnt just about a book. What i really want to do is change the conversation that we have about boys, and how we talk to boys. So theres a book for parents and people who love the boys the master minds book but also the guide thats just for boys so they can have their own thing that when theyre walking down the School Hallway and running into a problem and feeling like i cant ask for help, im too embarrassed, they have something that boys around the country wrote for them. And that together we created this thing for them that would help them. And that that also helps them talk to the adults that they love and care about. Thats really powerful, because we definitely need to change the conversation around boys. You have this phrase that seems to be thrown at young boys all the time. Act like a man. And, you know, in terms of being strong and taking responsibility, thats valuable, but ultimately it gets to have a narrow emotional range. And thats destructive. Boys, you know, are not encouraged to talk about their feelings and get them out. Well, the most powerful thing that boys want is they want men in their lives who not only role model being really good at fixing cars and really good at doing all the things that we think about, about, you know, being masculine and macho and all those things, capable, strong, independent. But they also want men, those same men, to be able to speak to them about what they care about. About relationships being important to them. About being able to say when theyre too afraid. You know, they want to ask for help, but they didnt know how and they felt overwhelmed but they did. And that friendships are important to them. Those are the most meaningful relationships to boys. And they want them for the men in their lives. Rosalyn, great book. Out now. 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