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MSNBCW Dateline February 23, 2020

Welcome back to nbcs special coverage of the nevada caucuses. The projected winner is vermont senator Bernie Sanders. Sanders leads the rest of the field by more than 20 points. He has bested joe biden by double. Former Vice President joe biden in second place, a distant second at the moment. Pete buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, tom steyer is in there. Senator sanders has claimed 13 delegates. Nobody has been awarded any delegates other than Bernie Sanders just yet. 36 in total. Sanders has 13 of them at the moment. That means sanders has opened up a double digit delegate lead over Pete Buttigieg in the National Delegate count. He enjoyed the victory from san antonio, texas, where he had a Campaign Rally tonight. In nevada we have just put together a multiagagenerationa multiracial win which is going to win nevada and sweep this country. No campaign has a Grassroots Movement like we do, which is another reason why were going o win this election. Okay. Lots to unpack here. Joining me to discuss is sahil kapur, matt visor and jane klebe is the chairperson of nebraskas Democratic Party. Thank you for joining us to make some sense out of this. This is an evening where we need some help making sense out of it. This is a big win for Bernie Sanders. Theres no way to describe it other than that. As you cross tabulate all the Different Things we saw in the entry polls, he does well in almost all of them. That said, there are 36 delegates here. Were now up to 101 delegates in total. You need 1991 to win on the first ballot. If theres something called moment momentum, its here for Bernie Sanders. Theres no question. Our party looks and sounds very differently than i think what a lot of our political establishments have thought. That is being shown in the caucuses and the early primaries. Weve been slow to catch up to where voters are. I think what youve seen over the past five years is activists from dreamers, pipeline fighters, water protectors, theyre now really showing their force as a political voting block. So, matt, i mean, heres the issue. Bernie sanders tweeted it out. The republican establishment, you cant stop us. The democratic establishment, you cant stop us. There are lots of people, establishment in journalism, democratic circles think that Bernie Sanders is a threat and he cant win the election. His Campaign People are in force telling everybody stop ignoring us, stop dismissing us, youve got to deal with us. This was a statement win. The numbers are pretty astounding and as you mentioned, its across the board. Its union households, nonunion households, educated, noneducated voters across the board. This is the first state where youve had a diverse electorate. Hes broadening the electorate, bringing new caucus goers out. Youre starting to see the backlash. You heard a little bit from Pete Buttigieg in his speech afterwards but you saw sanders take a different approach where he started to reach out a little bit, talking about the diversity hes bringing to the party. I think thats the next phase, that the party is going to have to grapple with the idea of Bernie Sanders being their standard bearer. Sahil, we like to speak to the candidates. Every single one of them who sits in this seat says our candidate is the only one who can build the Broad Coalition necessary to defeat donald trump. A bunch of them are clearly lying. What does this mean . Because it cant actually be true that theyre all the ones to build the Broad Coalition. The entry polls tell us something we knew. 1 3 of the voters made the choice for the person who shares their views versus the person they believe can vote can beat donald trump. Yeah, there is a hearts vote and the minds vote. Bernie sanders won both. He won democratic voters who said they want a candidate who agrees with him on the issues. He won democratic voters who can beat President Trump. There are not many that are assembling that broadbased coalition. One of the most impressive things about Bernie Sanders win here is his win over hispanic voters. 37 . Two enormously rich delegate primaries on the map that vote on march 3rd. The only place he seemed vulnerable demographically was among black voters. Joe biden won that and that will matter a lot in South Carolina and super tuesday. Go back to 2016. This was not a place where he was competitive and there was no criticism that he had the ability to be competitive among black voters. While biden still leads, bernies still competitive and bloomberg is that factor. Hes not in tonights race and he was competitive at least until wednesday. This is one of the biggest differences with Bernie Sanders between his 2016 campaign and this campaign. He was doing very poorly among nonwhite voters which arguably cost him the nomination. Hes doing much better with black voters even if hes not winning them. Lets talk about moderates. Tonight there are moderate democrats. There are some democrats who consider themselves conservative who are looking at this saying, whats going to happen . Theyre laying got squeezed out. Not necessarily. This is the thing. When we have moderate voters. I come to a red and rural state and i have to reach out to all shades of blue. The moderate voters want to know that you have their back. They want to know that youre going to have their backs when it comes to economic issues, health care, Property Rights. In states like nebraska and minnesota that are being faced with risky fossil fuel projects. Latino voters are more moderate and conservative. I think bernie can attract them with his economic policies. Lets talk about medicare for all. A very heavy union state. They push back. They said we like our health care. If youre union, youve spent the last 30, 40, 50, 60 years fighting for their health care. He still wins the union vote. Thats the other part about his win thats just astounding. The Culinary Union worked hard against him. They set the table when he first came in here criticizing him. You look at the casinos on the strip and Bernie Sanders is winning those among the culinary rank and file. Its that thing where theres a disconnect with the leadership and the rank and file. Bernie sanders has found a way to tap into it. Which again happened in 2016. The Union Leadership is getting gun shy about endorsing anybody. Theyre going to say our members are going to to what our members want to do. Its interesting between membership. Sahil, you were talking about Pete Buttigieg not just talking about donald trump but warning the Democratic Party about the danger of Bernie Sanders. Lets listen to what he has to say. Senator sanders believes in an inflexible ideological revolution that leaves out most democrats not to mention most americans. I believe we can beat President Trump and delivering for the American People by delivering medicare for all for those who want it. We can call people names online or we can call them into our movement. We can either tighten a narrow and hard core base or open the tent to a new and broad and bighearted american coalition. So hes making the point we were talking about here. At the moment Bernie Sanders didnt get 50 of the vote in nevada but it was close and he was up there. No other contingent adds up to where Bernie Sanders is. From the perspective of Pete Buttigieg saying he cant build that coalition, i can, what does that mean here . Is Bernie Sanders showing us that the coalitions not what you all thought it was . Right. Pete buttigieg is trying to portray this as a threeperson race. Hes trying to position himself as the reasonable alternative. Hes a decisive socialist and a plutocrat on the other side. Elizabeth warren is saying its a three person race. Everyone is looking for their private foil here. There arent clear lanes here. Democratic voters arent splitting themselves up here. Theres a lot of kind of cross driving in the lanes. Some people want a candidate they think is smart, some people want a candidate based on certain issues. We think were well into this race but for a lot of people, theyre not. Theyre watching this unfold. For some people wednesdays debate was watching what these people might do if theyre up against donald trump. Lets listen to Elizabeth Warren. She continues to warn, just like buttigieg is warning people. Lets listen to warren. I want to talk for a minute specifically at the top about a threat that is coming our way and its a big threat. Not a tall one, but a big one, Michael Bloomberg. He argues that he is the safest bet to beat donald trump. Hes not safe, hes just rich. Lets think about that. Billionaire who hides his taxes, has a bad history with women and defends racist policies. Let me just put it this way. Were not substituting one arrogant billionaire for another in 2020. So, matt, take a look at her strategy versus Pete Buttigiegs strategy. Theyre pitting themselves, as sahil said, but to different potential leading candidates. I think for warren, bloomberg brings up something in her that you saw in the debate and that youre seeing again in her tonight br swhere shes found h voice in the animosity she feels against Mike Bloomberg. It aligns her in a way like Bernie Sanders. You can imagine the two of them, they are compatible and she is helping Bernie Sanders at the moment by going after Mike Bloomberg. Is that working . Is there enough room in Bernie Sanders lane for Elizabeth Warren to be hanging around there . Everybody else has decided were going to a different lane. They have smaller numbers to do that with. I think his most fierce supporters are upset with Elizabeth Warren. She sat on the sidelines when she should have been next to bernie endorsing him. Some of the things that came up earlier. I think with mayor bloomberg, he does have support in the Africanamerican Community and climate community. He has spent millions of dollars to close cole plants. And gun control. Right. Theres no doubt that senator sanders is in the lead. We should celebrate that and honor the fact that he has brought a wide coalition. We have to be wideeyed as democrats. This is a game and we have to ensure that were not cutting out voters. We passed iowa. You dont hear anybody talking about Property Rights or some of the issues that would attract rural voters in ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin. Do you worry about Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee . No. When i talk to farmers and ranchers, they think hes the only one that isnt an arrogant sob. As voters, we have to remember that urban voters hate big. People feel left behind by the system. I think her message and senator sanders resonates on that level. Sahil, theres a lot of populist overlap, and the people that supported donald trump. The anger, frustration. Maybe those people who supported donald trump will come to see that he didnt deliver for them, although he is he continues to tell them he delivered for them and trade war with china. Does Bernie Sanders get an ability to draw some of those people off, peel some of those people off who voted for trump particularly in swing states like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. I can answer your question better than he can. This is one of the biggest questions. Is the swing voter a middle of the road type. Are they agitated and disaffected voters looking for an outsider and voter. The only commonality is that they are both outsiders reflecting some kind of major change in different ways. So Bernie Sanders is now coming along saying im reflecting a different kind of change. Theoretically, yes. I think there are some voters who are not ideologically underwritten. If Bernie Sanders is going to win the election, hes going to draw back those voters, he has to come up with a version of that. Its not a sure bet for us because he has taken some positions that can be caricatured and out of the mainstream. Hes different. Hes untested. Thats whats making a lot of democratic voters unsure. Large majorities of democratic voters support medicare for all. People have staked their candidacies on actively opposing this policy. That strategy may have backfired. Theres an intensity with single payer that draws a lot of democratic voters out that Bernie Sanders may have caught on to. Something were going to continue to talk about. It is a topic that is not as well understood but it may be one in which victory gets hinges. Were just getting started. When we return, muddle in the middle. How do they try to claw back the delegate lead from Bernie Sanders. Hi guys. 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Weve just had a big tranche of numbers come in here in nevada. Take a look at the screen. We are now 40. 6. It says 35 in. Were going to update that in. Were above 40 . The numbers look like what they are on the screen. Bernie sanders lead has increased. Bernie sanders now has, here we go, 41 . Bernie sanders has 47 of the vote. He continues to be the projected winner. Joe biden his percentage has decreased. Hes at 21 from 23 . Pete buttigieg firmly at third at 15 . Good space between biden and buttigieg and good space between buttigieg and warren. Tom steyer tying that number with Amy Klobuchar. 4 . And 0. 1 uncommitted. Tulsi gabbard has 3 vote for 0 . Bernie sanders lead is increasing in this state. Elizabeth warren was looking for a big comeback tonight after her performance in the wednesday debate. She had seen Amy Klobuchar do well in the debate prior to New Hampshire and had hoped that that would happen for her so she came out swinging. Was widely lauded as the best performer in wednesday nights debate here in las vegas, but two problems occurred. One is that much of the early voting had taken place at that point and our entry polls suggest that even those who voted before, there wasnt Much Movement towards Elizabeth Warren. Were looking at live pictures in seattle, washington. She has been taking pictures with and greeting people as she has wanted to do at these events. The performance was not good at all in las vegas but the message for Elizabeth Warren continues to be fairly energized and fired up tonight. Reporter yeah, ali, thats right. She had about 7,000 people packed into this space. Less than the 15,000 that she had last time we were here. We were outside. Were inside this time. Might be a selflimiting space. Youd never know that she came in fourth but perhaps thats the point. 89 delegates. It speaks with foreign strategy that shes looki

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