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Ended up finding a lot of people related to the oil business. I remember him telling us, im going to make millions of dollars. A big money venture oozing with outlaws. A violent individual, been to prison for robbery. 250 pounds of steroid, rock muscle. With a significant criminal history. Greed is what killed my dad. Greed is what caused all of this. A first for oil, a lust for blood. A sociopath. What can happen in a quiet Little Prairie town until oil comes around. Yeah. Among the green and pleasant landscapes of american privilege is the rise of historic land called the south hill. Here for 100 heres has been the home of spokane, washingtons elite, in their queen ann and craft madges homes, its quiet, and not the sort of story were about to tell, the kind of story with ambitious men, dark plots and dames. I asked him. Am i just the dumb blonde who missed it . Or did everyone miss it . The one so many people missed, before that dreadful event here in the wooded enclave. He thought that god was blessing hem and my mom. We thought we were walking on water. Here they were, empty nesters, all alone in their house on the south hill, convinced that their successes, their six grown kids, their good life were products of an unflinching trust in god. You know, we finally got out of the desert. And he was going to get into the promised land. Yes, the promised land. Riches beyond imagining. As the not so dumb blonde knew so well. It was a madhouse, it was the wild west. So maybe thats why the thing on the south hill wasnt going to stay here. My life will never be the same. Im sorry. It was wintertime when it happened. Christmas season, 15th of december, 2013. A sunday evening after church. 911, what are you reporting . Theres been shots. A man kicked into our house and shot my husband. This is how our story began. In an ugly splash of violence and terror. Hes going to shoot me. But was this the beginning of the story . Or the end . That was the evening Spokane Police detectives brian sesnick and Mark Burbridge were pulled into the strangest case of their careers. It was the most unique homicide id investigated, and i knew that from the first moments of my involvement. Really . Just you knew . Yes. It was sesnick who drove over first to the address at south hill. The sort of place a homicide detective can go a whole career without visiting a single time. The house is in a very upperclass neighborhood. And the south hill, thats where you want to be. Right. The street that its on, id never been to before. Why would you as a homicide detective . Theres just not crime up there in general. So it was very odd. The home the detective was going to was owned by a businessman named Doug Carlisle, and his wife of many years, alberta. First responders had arrived and put up their crime scene tape. Sesnick walked into the house. It was just a weird scene all in all. This was december 15th. Theres Christmas Music playing throughout the house. Thats bizarre. It was very bizarre. Theyre very religious people, so theres religious scripture written on the walls. Them you have this horribly violent and gruesome murder. With a body laying on the floor that youre investigating. It was a very, very odd scene. 63yearold Doug Carlisle was lying on the kitchen floor, clearly the victim of a closerange shooting. There was a lot of blood around the body. A lot of shell casings. A lot of bullets laying around. How badly was this person damaged . Hed been shot seven times. It was obviously a very brutal attack. It wasnt just a one time shot and the person ran out. Clearly someone was making sure. Correct. Whoever had done this, we knew they wanted to make sure he didnt survive. And whatever happened here didnt appear to be motivated by burglary or robbery. The house was locked up tight. Windows, doors. He still had his wallet and cell phone. Walking throughout the house, everything was in place. Nothing was ransacked that we could find. It was elberta, dougs wife, who called 911 in what sounded like a state of abject terror. Arriving First Responders found her leading in an upstairs closets. They took her downtown. I want to see my husband. But they wont let me see him. The detective was ready to sympathize, of course, but his training, his instinct, his eye told him not yet. Something looked a little off here. What did you make of her . Shes unique, and some of her responses, threw up red flags, made me concerned about whether she was involved in this or not. What kind of responses . She didnt care about the police investigation. All she cared about was her husband, praying over him, she was upset that the patrol officers wouldnt let her do that. I want my husband theres nothing we can do for your husband right now. Well, i can hold him. I could have told him i loved him. I could have prayed for him. Then when the detective asked what happened elberta told a story, and neither the telling or the story made any sense at all. Coming up im worried whether she had a motive, money, jealousy, a boyfriend, he has a girlfriend shes mad about. The wifes tale raises questions and suspicions. Rehearsed is a good word. That sounded that way to you . Yes, it did. When dateline continues. Stop dancing around the pain that keeps you up again, and again. Advil pm silences pain, and you sleep the whole night. Advil pm. With air wick essential mist. Nature. With kits starting at just ten dollars you can transform natural essential oils into mist at a price that is just right. Its a like, a dagger . A worm a tiny sword . Bread. Breadstick . A matchstick a lamppost coin slot no . Uhhh. 10 seconds. A stick a Walking Stick eiffel tower, Mount Kilimanjaro ding time sorry, its a tandem bicycle. What . What . as long as sloths are slow, you can count on geico saving folks money. 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Thats simple, easy, awesome. Go to xfinitymobile. Com today. Mark burbridge had seen a thing or two during his time on the police force, so he kad careful, experienced attention when elberta carlisle told him what happened that sunday evening in the house on south hill. What happened tonight . We went to church. Then we went to a church function. Nothing, i dont know what happened, a hell happened, a nightmare happened. And elbertas story, said detective burbridge just didnt add up. All of a sudden i hear its okay, its okay. Then i hear back off, back off, back off then when i heard the back off, i saw, i looked and saw a man standing there in all black. Her story was concerning about a masked man wearing all black, coming into the house and shooting her husband and leaving and leaving her alive. Made me worry that maybe she hired a hit man or maybe she was making up the story and she was involved in what happened. The thing was, the killer saw elberta. She came right out and said so. They stared at each other, soul to soul. So why would a hit man leave an eyewitness alive . Unless she was in on it. Im wondering whether she had a motive. Money, jealousy, boyfriend, he has a girlfriend shes mad about. Did she kill him herself . Did she hire somebody . Did she get one of the children to do it . These are all my concerns. Besides, says burbridge, hes seen many people caught by sudden violence and grief, and elberta was agitated, certainly, but to his practiced eye, her emotional reaction was somehow flat as if practiced. It bothered him. How long had you been home . It happened instantly. When we got home, it was like somebody ambushed him. The way she told her story about a masked man killing her husband of 42 years. It almost seemed like it was rehearsed or like she thought about this and what could i say . Rehearsed is a good word. It sounded that way to you . Yes, it did. But you dont have to take it from the detective. We were able to arrange an interview with elberta, too. My whole life was over as i knew it. She said when she and her husband returned from church that evening they drove through the gate of their property as usual. Ill get the gate, you get the door. Did everything look pretty much the same as when you left . No, it just didnt feel right. So i started to head up the stairs at this time. I got all the way to the top of the stairs and i started down the hall when i heard muffled noises. Headed right down the stairs, i got back to the bottom of the stairs and i called out to doug, doug, is somebody here . And i looked to my left. The man was standing right in front of the doorway. How far away from you . Ten feet at the most. Nine feet. And i looked at him. And it was a man. All in black. And he had a mask on. And he had a gun pointed where i knew my husband was standing. You couldnt see doug. I couldnt see doug. I only saw this man in black. He had a mask on. Only thing i could see was his eyes. And he looked at me. He never moved the gun. And he blinked three times, and i thought, why is he blinking at me . I would think why is that kawhi in my householding a gun . I thought oh, my god, hes going to kill me before i get up the stairs. I tried to go up the stairs. My legs werent working and i started going up the hall when i heard multiple shots. Did you realize right away what must have happened . Oh, absolutely. I knew my husband had to have been shot. So i thought i have to hide. She ran to a closet and shut the door and called 911. Do you remember what it felt like in there, what you felt like . Oh, sheer desperation. Just sheer desperation. And this overwhelming need to go to my husband. I wanted to go to him. I wanted to comfort him. I wanted to tell him i loved him. I wanted to tell him, its going to be okay. I wanted to pray for him. When the police arrived, they found elberta in the closet. I want to go to my husband. They said theyre working on him. And i said no, i want to go see him, please let me go to my husband. And they said no, you cant go down there. Did you ever get to see him that night . No. No. Now elberta found herself facetoface with detective burbridge, trying to get him to believe a story about a masked killer who stared right at her and yet left her alive to tell the tale. That sounds a little made up almost. Yes, it does. Sounds hollywood. Have you ever heard of a case of somebody laid eyes on a witness of him killing someone and didnt take action . I havent had that happen. But there was something in elbertas story that did make sense. Before the murder as she and doug drove to church they saw something out of place. There was a van kind of sitting up against the curb. A white van. Like it didnt belong there or something . Yeah. A white van. As police canvassed the neighborhood after the murder, a witness across the street said she saw it too. She had come home around 5 00 that evening and noticed a white van parked in front of her house. And it was parked in a way that made her nervous. To the point she thought maybe someone was breaking in. Why would she be suspicious of a van . A van shed never seen before, in that neighborhood, everyone knows everyone. The question was, what did the white van have to do with the murder of doug carlile, or they wondered, his wife elberta. Coming up, a neighborhood Security Camera. What tales would it tell . We actually saw that suspect and saw the path that he ran. Could you tell who it was . All you could see is it was a subject that appeared to be muscular build wearing all black. When dateline continues. People used to care. Heck, theyd come all the way out here just for a blurry photo of me. Oh, thats a good one. Wait, whats that . Thats just the lowbattery warning. Oh, alright. Now its all, check out my rv, and, lets go fourwheeling. Maybe theres a little part of me that wanted to be seen. Well, progressive helps people save when they bundle their home with their outdoor vehicles. So theyve got other things to do now, bigfoot. Wait, whatd you just call me . Bigfoot . My name is daryl. Loweto supportitted frontline workers, and our more than 300,000 dedicated associates. Thank you for everything youre doing. Up here on spokanes south hill, beat cops and detectives fanned out around the neighborhood unused to violent crime. But downtown at police headquarters. This is a secure building, if you need to go somewhere, knock on the door, okay . Im in jail . The victims wife, elberta carlile, told a crazy story about a man in black bursting into the house killing her husband, looking her square in the eye but leaving her alive. No, burbridge wondered, did she hire him . In my world, wives kill husbands. But then they heard a curious story from a neighbor. That very evening for a couple hours before the shooting a mysterious white van was parked just across the street from the carliles house. 911, what are you reporting . Of course, in many if not most neighborhoods in america, a parked white van might not attract a bit of attention. This is the south hill after all. Nondescript white vans dont just show up and hang around here. So the neighbor noticed, and then Doug Carlisle winds up murdered. We didnt know if it was related or not, but it was something we considered immediately. And again, this being the south hill, another neighbor had the wherewithal to provide a special kind of help. A homeowner had a video camera that covered his driveway and we picked up what we thought was the van about two hours before the murder. Here it is, that video. And sure enough, a white van coming and going on the streets of south hill that night. But did it have anything to do with the murder . And what about the man in black elberta said she saw . If he actually existed. A hired killer or whatever, he must have waited somewhere around the house for the carliles to get back from church. He could have killed doug carlile, then possibly escaped in the white van. No one saw anyone going out the front door, but what about back here . Behind the house . They called in a tracking dog and stood back and watched. Basically, the track went through some arbor vitae. And there was a puddle of water and a good foot print. And it was apparent it was fairly recent. Could be your guy. Could be our guy. Just beyond that, outside the gate, there was what appeared to be a welding glove lying in the leaves. A welding glove . A welding glove. We thought is this something that may have been dropped . But it was odd enough and in a place we knew the suspect had run after the incident that we ended up collecting it as evidence. Not really knowing whether that had anything to do with your murder. Correct. We didnt know. You know, in Something Like this, where its a complete whodunit, you take everything and hope something ends up helping your case. They kept looking. So did the dog. Just beyond where the welding glove was found was a small wooded area, and across the street, an Elementary School which maenl maybe the School Security system could get them a picture of the guy. Another detective was able to get that video, almost immediately. And sure enough, when they looked at the video, there he was. We actually saw that suspect and saw the path that he ran. Could you tell who it was or very much about him . It was very grainy video. All you could see was that it was a subject, appeared to be muscular build wearing all black. All black. It was hard to make out, but there he was in the video. The elusive man in black running toward a main road. When detective burbridge arrived and got a look at this ive done a lot of homicides and at that point thought it was a professional hit man, probably unrelated to our victim at all or the person involved in this, and i went and found my lieutenant. I knew this was going to be a very complicated investigation and we needed a lot more manpower to get very fast on the case further down the road. And so in a matter of hours, detectives were called in from all over the department, time off was canceled. So many questions to answer. What else did the neighbors see . What did that welding glove have to do with anything . And who was the man in black . And a more basic question. Was elberta carlile involved in a plot to kill her husband . Coming up the closer i got to the lord, its like the further we got apart. Even elberta admits their marriage had seen its share of trouble. I did something drastic and left him without his knowledge. Take the kids with you . Of course. 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The victims nearest and dearest often become suspect number one. And elberta, with her wild story, was no exception. Then detective burbridge was able to get a close look at the evidence, especially that video of the running man in black. And it became apparent that whoever did this spent time planning it because of the escape route. Made me concerned that she was telling the truth about what happened. When he saw all that planning including the videotape showing the man in black he felt it was far less likely that elberta carlile was anything but a victim. But in her brain, while the detectives kept going over this and that, two thoughts blocked out everything else, a need to see her husband and a need to tell her children what happened. I went to call them and i couldnt see the numbers. I was just frantic. I said to the police, help me. And i said wait, you cant help me, you dont know who im looking for. The phone rang at the home of shane carlisle. I received a call from my mother. We were hanging ornaments on the christmas tree. She said in just kind of a screaming panic, shane, your dad, your dad, he was shot six times. You called everybody . Yeah. The thought hadnt even sunk in yet we just started contacting everybody and had to listen to everybodys cries and screams over the phone. She was at her own daughters ballet retitle. He goes dads been shot. And i said what do you mean dads been shot . Dad has been killed. And so she greeted her daughters after the recital with the news about grandpa. They loved their grand pa. He was the greatest to all three of them. They had really good relationships with him. It was a relationship that almost wasnt for any of them. Doug and bertie, as he liked to call her, were teenaged sweet hearts, married young. And as often happens, even as their family grew their marriage shrivelled. What happened . Life happens. Bertie found god. Doug did not. The closer i got to the lord, its like the further we got apart. Until it became clear to bertie she wont go into detail, that she and doug were doomed, unless i did something drastic. I left him without his knowledge. Take the kids with you . Of course. So you went off on your own with four kids. Mmhm. No job, no nothing. Yeah. To a city i didnt know. To seattle. 350 miles in the little town in oregon where they lived back then. Her church kept her going. Well, doug, heres the story according to bertie. He kept guns, said bertie, lots of them. And lost and alone, he decided to use one on himself. As he crawled toward the guns, he said he heard this horrid voice that said hes mine. And then he heard another voice that said no, hes not. He belongs to me. And he said it was a thunderous, authoritative, shook the whole room voice. And next thing he knew, he felt arms picking him up. And putting him on the bed. He told you this. Yes, he told me this months later. Quite a story. The one that got doug saved and back with his family. After that, he started an excavation business, and as his kids grew up, six of them. Many followed him, and it became the family business. Hes a salesman, you know. He can talk you into something. A charmer. Yeah. Totally. Total charmer. What was his business philosophy . Was he a numberscrunching guy or a handshake guy . He was a hand shake guy. He expected his word and a hand shake was good. And he knew it was. He expected that of others and that isnt always true. And there were setbacks. Two bankruptcies. Trouble with the irs and falling out with Business Partners who accused doug of being less than honest and of not paying his bills. How would doug react to those . He never gave up. And we always took care of what we owed. And we would move forward. And as he entered mid life, doug carlile seemed content doing deals while his sons shane and seth ran the business. Hed give the shirt off his back to anybody. He had a huge heart. Enough room in it for everybody. Huge heart. And taught you what you know. Absolutely. Every aspect of business. Every aspect of life. When the kids were grown, doug and bertie ended up in spokane to be next to their Church Whose Pastor preached the prosperity gospel, that god rewards true belief with financial success. Well, they certainly looked successful when they bought that sprawling house in the south hill. They wanted to get an older house like that. Its something they love, but they also always wanted all the family to come for all the holidays and stay with them. So theres a bedroom for everybody. We all had our own room. Worked out pretty good. Did it look to you as if your dad and your mom were finally at the place where they were on the top of the hill . They were doing the best i ever saw them do. They were happy. They had got it. Theyd figured it out. But now, doug carlile was dead. And detectives tallied up the signs of his earthly wealth. Still parked in the drive, elbertas new mercedes. Dougs new pickup and inside dougs office, documents detailing the familys fortune. There was a lot of financial paperwork. And the ones that struck me immediately was there was loan paperwork that had appeared mr. Carlile had filled out for different businesses and they had his net value at between 6 million and is 12 million, depending on which piece of paper you looked at. And then there were the documents the detectives couldnt read. That is the ones written in arabic. Who was doug carlile . Successful, godfearing businessman . Or what . Coming up i remember him telling us, you know, im going to make millions of dollars, and that is going to be it. This is going to be for our family. Were all going to be rich. Investigators took a hard look at dougs business practices, did he make any enemies . They may have a reason to be angry at him. Our suspect list kept growing. I was run thing investigation in about eight directions, trying to eliminate any Business Partners, trying to see if he had a secret life. Each seasoned detectives were surprised. When dateline continues. Your lips are like no others, and need a lip routine thats just right for you chapstick has you covered chapstick. Put your lips first. Unlike ordinary wmemory supplementsr . Neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. Memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. Try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference. It was obvious now. No getting around it. Spokane detectives burbridge and sesnick took a look at the clues dug up that first night. Surveillance videos showing a white van circling the area. Elbertas story about a masked shooter dressed in black. The video of a blackclad man running away. All that could mean one thing. This was a hit, a professional killing. Which begged the question, why would anyone want to kill a beloved, god fearing grandfather, murdered while Christmas Music filled his big old house. It was almost a surreal scene. Christmas music playing. In dougs office, documents, half in english, half in arabic. And those they could read were very interesting indeed. There was prefilled out paperwork promising 100 return on investment in 90 days if youd invest in their company. So it appeared your victim was promising huge ruin return investment. Correct. He had a whole binder of names of people who have bought into this and invested. Wait a minute, who offers a 100 return so fast . Was this for real . The names and reports all seemed to be related to one thing. We found a lot of paperwork related to the oil business in north dakota. The oil business . Why that . Doug carlile, remember, was an excavator, not an oil man. But, of course a whole army of ambitious, hardworking men had fled to establish careers to grab for a piece of the wealth dangled so enticingly by north dakotas oil fracking boom. Thus, were prairie towns on steroids and men bursting with pentup testosterone. By the time doug met his awful date in december of 2013, the wild black gold rush around the bakken airfields had peaked. But investors looking for a big payday wouldnt have known that yet. And with great wads of eager cash, they chased a stake in what they hoped were still bills in the ground. Apparently, doug carlile was one of them. According to family, he got turned onto oil by a friend who knew a guy. He told us about north dakota. Hey, its booming there. You should go check things out and see whats happening. First, doug partnered in a Trucking Company that served north dakotas many oil rigs. A Company Called blackstone, started by the guy his friend introduced him to. Then opportunity knocked. One of those opportunities of a lifetime, ordained from above, according to doug. The whole thing kind of fell into his lap. And i think he felt like that was his calling from god to move forward in that lease. An oil lease that is. A lease that would give doug and any partners he could bring in, the exclusive right to drill for oil on 640 acres of land on the mha indian reservation. The catch was, that sort of opportunity doesnt come cheap. So you had to raise some money. Oh, yeah. The lease was almost 2 million. And to raise that, Doug Carlisle tapped his friends around washington state, his business thats righters, even his kids. I put 100,000 in it. It wasnt for a return or anything. It was to help him with his dream to fulfill that. But the next step to fulfilling dougs dream was even more daunting. Finding investors to pay for drilling as many as eight wells on the property and that price was much steeper, more than 100 million. But the potential payoff was immense. And doug firmly believed, gods will, a reward for his faith. We thought we were walking on water with the whole deal. This is a miracle. I remember him telling us were going to make millions of dollars, this is for the family. Were all going to be rich. He sat on the couch and said what would you do if you had all the money you could ever want . I said, so if we had this money, then we would use it to serve the lord, to serve ministries, to serve people, our family. But now all those good intentions, all those dreams were gone. Now detectives slogged through the paperwork on doug carliles desk. Those documents in arabic turned out to be a scam a con man was trying to run on doug. But doug you could see had been making promises, too, to investors. Promises he couldnt keep and he must have known it. 100 return practically overnight . Impossible. Many of these were partners who had come in, and now he may have owed them a tremendous amount of money. Correct. They may have a reason to be pretty mad at him. And our suspect list kept growing. How many partners did that guy have anyway . About ten that we could find, there may be more. Detective burbridge began calling dougs partners and discovered most of them lived in or around washington. Anyone of them who could be considered a person of interest was hundreds or thousands of miles away from spokane the night he was murdered. I dont believe in coincidences like that. Coincidences that they were not there . Correct. That they may have planned not to be there when something happened . Yes, sir. How did you know which one to target . I was running this investigation in about eight Different Directions trying to eliminate a lot of Business Partners, seeing if mr. Carlisle had a secret life, did he owe somebody else money. He had a lot of failed business dealings in his other businesses. So i had a lot of concerns. Angry exBusiness Partners . Angry current Business Partners . What, if anything did she have to do with it . Yeah. I mean, obviously, i didnt know at the time what he was doing. Coming up detectives learn about a charismatic couple kneedeep in dougs oil venture. They looked like ken and barbie, their perfectly white teeth and tans. Did they know anything about the murder . And then finally, investigators have someone to question. I researched his criminal history and knew he had a very significant criminal history. I was concerned, was he my hit man . Were going to Start Talking about some things honestly here. When dateline continues. New sociates, and all of you doing your part at home. Whove got their eczema under control. Rs, with less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. Dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderatetosevere eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. Dupixent is a biologic, and not a cream or steroid. 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Elbertas eldest daughter left her own family for a while to stay with her mom, try to keep her sane. She would wake up screaming every single night. And there was nothing i could do besides just hold her. It was horrible. The very thing the carliles hoped would create wealth, security, happiness had brought instead nothing but grief. But, remember, this, the evidence suggested, was a hit job. Somebody must have ordered dougs execution. So now the detectives try to figure out who. Did he have any disputes with anybody . Yes. Inevitable probably, when high stakes investors go after a prize, an oil lease, and doug had been promising potential investors returns that so far just hadnt materialized. Any number of partners might have felt theyd been taken for a ride. But who . And elberta who was no longer a suspect offered a possibility. Who did he have a dispute with . His name is James Henrikson. James henrikson. He was the man who had gotten doug interested in the oil play in the first place. The man with his wife sarah were known as the barbie and ken of the oil patch. This guy worked for them. His name is rick airy. For lack of a better turn, they stuck out like a couple of turds in a punch bowl. Well, one way to put it. James met her at a coffee stand. She was a barista. What was he like . He was calm, cool, collected, older man, goodlooking. He was fun. Wed always go out. We would go out. He was nice. It was easy. I never thought id marry him or go to business with him. But thats what she did. They moved to the oil patch in 2011, got married in minot, north dakota, and by 2013, he was the charismatic face of a major trucking operation called blackstone, and she was the blond on his arm and the Senior Company official. Sarah signed the checks. Blackstone was the business doug first invested in, before he got interested in the oil lease. It was a big operation. 100 trucks hauling water to and from oil fracking sites. Very profitable. James let it be known that he was backed by a billion dollar trust fund. I was like, this guys a winner. A lot of money around. Were they making money . Yes, it sure seemed like it. And japs was tough and and james was tough and buff and all man. Its 20 degrees outside and hed be wearing a tee shirt. Hes making sure his arms are pumped up. He wants you to see his guns. Hes showing them off. Theyre perfectly white teeth and tans. They looked like ken and barbie. They didnt fit in at all. Not a nickname sarah took to, mind you. No, i feel like i have somewhat of a brain, i dont want to be called just a barbie. Youre living in a town of men. 921. All jacked up on testosterone. Yeah, it was rough. I hated it. It was miserable. Every day was a plan on how to get out. With him . Yeah, we wanted to leave the oil field, but he just saw so much opportunity and money. He was like one day well get there. Doug carlile liked james and sarahs entrepreneurial style a lot. So when the chance to buy an oil lease came up they went in on it together. James kicked in 600,000. Doug only 40,000. They needed 2 million, remember. Yet, doug was saying hed be taking over. There were disputes, then, over control and money and accusations flew. The facts dougs son said. He basically said im concerned with what james is going to try to do. That was serious. And he said that if anything happens to me, you know, its James Henrikson. But, like the other partners, James Henrikson was far away when doug was killed, 700 miles away in wofford city, north dakota. Detectives pinged his phone and confirmed it. And then something happened that seemed straight out of some detective novel. Detective burbridge put out a plea for information from anybody whod done business with doug carlile, and what do you know . In walked a guy who could have just as easily been a murder suspect himself. Robert, thanks for coming down voluntarily. His name was robert delao. Career criminal, gang member and sometimes a police informant. Hed served time on drug and weapons charges. I researched his criminal history and knew that he had a significant criminal history. I was concerned, was he my hit man or what was his involvement in this . He knew Doug Carlisle and James Henrikson. Why was he here . To tell the cops just in case they were wondering, that he didnt have anything to do with the murder. Did you drive somebody up there . No, no, no, i had nothing to do with it, nothing. But burbridge had seen a thing or two. He pushed. Were going to Start Talking about some things honestly. And im going to have a heart to heart with you. Okay. Thats fine, thats fine. People tell me you are the shooter. I say hell no. You know that night i was in wofford city, north dakota. You went after him pretty hard, accused him of murder . I did. How did he respond to that . He denied it and didnt even flinch. Did you think he was your guy . I did not think he was the guy. Why did you do that . Sometimes you do things, put them under pressure to see their reaction. And he did not flinch. The detectives asked delao to take a polygraph, and he did. Did he pass the test . Yes, he did. So curious, certainly, but a real lead . Or a dead end . Hard to know. So burbridge and his team of investigators kept working other leads. And christmas happened. Sort of. It was really a rough christmas. I look back on pictures. We had smiles on our faces but you werent really smiling. And my mom, it was so hard to watch her. She wanted to give the grandkids gifts but she was almost like a zombie. You cant not have christmas, you know, but nobody felt like it. But grief wasnt all the family was feeling. The debilitating fear took hold, too. 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Thats why, when every connection counts. You can count on us. Spokane Police Detective Mark Burbridge called in the troops. A few hours after the executionstyle killing of doug carlile on south hill, it was all too clear this had to have been a professional hit. Burbridge would need all the help he could get. And now every available investigator, nearly 20 of them, chased the scattered clues. Did you actually need them all . Yes, i kept them busy. One investigator, his whole job was to try to identify the white van. Remember that white van the neighbors saw . It was unique enough. It was an afterfactory extended van that they make for specific professions. Once we were able to identify the make and model we had washington provide us with all the vans registered in spokane county, and there were 75 of them. Which possibly fit that description. Yes, sir. Every one of those vans had to be tracked down. And that welding glove, the one found outside a back gate, maybe the killer dropped it as he escaped or maybe it happened to be there. They swabbed it for dna anyway. They scoured social media, the internet, looking for connections, looking for anything. And then one night after christmas, a couple weeks after the murder. I was at my desk. I got a hit on whats called a Ripoff Report which id never heard of. And i clicked on it and a flyer came up that said beware of these two people. What do you know, the ken and barbie of north dakotas oil patch, james and his wife, sarah. Dougs primary north dakota partners. It said theyre known frauds. Theyre running fraud scams in north dakota. Dont do any business. Of course, as the detectives figured out by now, rivalries, disputes, grievances were life around that oil lease project in which doug and james and others were involved. The Ripoff Report was put out as a flyer in stores and businesses all around the oil patch. It was pay back, apparently. By one particularly disgruntled former partner. But then not everybody was a boy scout. James for example had a criminal record going back to his teens. Anyway, whether detective sesnick read the flyer, his eye landed on a very curious detail. One of james employees, a man named casey clark had up and disappeared. I printed it off and handed it to mark and said hey, what do you think about this . What did you think about that . It was the first time wed every heard of that name. So who was casey clark . He was funny, wellmannered. Didnt take long to find out. Casey was an old friend of James Henrikson. He moved to the oil patch specifically to work for henrikson at blackstone, james Trucking Company. Rick airy knew him well. So what did you do, the two of you . Wed go out to the bar, chase girls, do the normal things guys do during the boom. Rick and casey were field superintendents for the Trucking Company. How were you involveded with the business . I worked with the accountant, to make sure think got signed off to make sure they got paid and i was sort of the middleman for the paperwork. Were you a minor partner. It was the james show for sure. People saw me all the time. Time off was rare. And eventually, rick airy and casey made secret plans to work for a rival Trucking Company. He was extremely worried about james finding out about this whole transition. On february 22nd, 2012, casey dropped briefly into black stones headquarters and then was gone. So, did he leave in a huff . Or was it Something Else . Because nobody ever saw him again. No sign of him at all. Hed been missing for a year. Almost two years at that point. Was henrikson ever questioned about it . Had he been questioned about it. He took a polygraph with north dakota law enforcement. And had passed. Yes. Still, James Henrikson had to know something about casey clark and doug carlile. And so the two detectives got in the car and drove 700 miles to wolford city, north dakota. With the wind chill, i believe it was 60 below when we were there. Their destination, the home of James Henrikson and his sarah. We went to the side door. From there you could see the garage and in the garage was like a twoyearold bentley, flat tires, almost laying on its belly. An almost new bentley. Yes. Obviously not taken care of at all. No. Sarah answered the door, very pleasant said detectives, and went to get james. How did James Henrikson greet you . Did he tell you a story, sit you down for a cup of tea . What . He leaned out the door, slapped my on the shoulder and said too bad you drove all that way, my attorney told me not to talk to you and he shut the door. And you got nothing . Got nothing. Except for a rude reception which might have told you something . He was a big man, 510, 250 pounds of steroided rock muscle. He bragged he was benching over 500 pounds and he looked like it. 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The fancy cars not paid for. The paperwork that claimed he was worth millions, a facade. Doug carlile was flat broke. Hadnt even bought life insurance. Do you ever feel angry at all at doug for not providing more for like a insurance policy or something . No, not at all. Because he was a very good provider every day he was alive. And i didnt believe in insurance policies like that. I believed in trusting the lord for our finances, and thats what we did. Secrets, just another casualty, as the little army of detectives searched the neighborhood for clues, like for example the strange find that turned up in the killers escape path. That weirdly out of place welding glove. They swabbed it for dna on the off chance really, just a shot in the dark, that something in or on that glove might match dna on a felon stored in a data bank. And how about that . It did. What was the name . Timothy suckow. What did you think when you found this out . Who was he if a violent individual. I thought this could be our guy. Was he local . He was local. He was working at irs environmental, an Asbestos Removal company. They dont drive around in white vans by any chance . I checked that list, and lo and behold, they owned a vehicle that matched our vehicle in the video. Well, well, well, what were the chances . Timothy suckow must have been the muscular man in black seen in this video, running for dear life towards the equally mysterious white van. They looked him up. He lived in the suburbs. A wife, kids, his house was ten miles from the murder scene. We had the s. W. A. T. Team sitting on him waiting for him to move because we didnt want to take him at his house because potential of firearms. But when suckow and another man left the house police moved in. Police photographed suckows many tattoos. Mr. Suckow is a hardened prison type individual, very large man, 275 pounds of solid muscle. The interview began, detectives made no bones about it. They thought they had suckow dead to rights. Today is the day to help yourself out. I didnt come to you by accident, okay . My killer left something up at the house, and your dna is all over it. No joke. The van at your work that you drive is on my video up there. Youre scaring me now. You should be scared. Youre looking at federal conspiracies to commit murder, fraud, life in prison. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. Yeah. [ inaudible ] thats your choice. Probably would be smarter. These are serious accusations. At this point, were probably beyond accusations. You are under arrest. And you can help yourself out. You can take me to jail. Timothy suckow was done talking. And he just looked me in the eye, laid his head down and went to sleep. Seriously . Seriously. Like a big emotional release that its finally over. After that, the detectives rounded up search warrants for his house and his car. In his car we found a very significant piece of evidence. What was that . A piece of notebook paper with a list of items to be done. At the very top of the paper is the word glove with a question mark. And theres statements about wheel man and wing man. Show get away route on google earth, practice with pistol. Thats almost like a confession on a note pad. What killer makes a todo list . It was a todo list on how to do a murder. What did you think when you saw that . It was almost hollywood like. It was shocking. It was a month after the murder and we arrest what we think is the shooter and he has a todo kill list in his car. You cant make this stuff up. Suckow also had a storage unit. Where . A surveillance camera picked up a white van pulling up soon after the murder. Suckow had to be their shooter. Question was, who put him up to it . And why . Suckow wouldnt tell them. Refused to say a word. So then they got a search warrant for his phone. His contact list said james in nd. Jackpot. Jackpot. That is what the first time we had ever connected him with henrikson. James and sarah arrived to become the ken and barbie of the oil patch and before long one man is missing and another dead and the suspected hit man has james on speed dial. And as for sarah, there was a shock in store for her too. Emotionally you have a lot to deal with. Oh, absolutely. Its ruined my life. Coming up sarah becomes suspicious about her husband. Did you think at the time, i wonder if james had something to do with this . It seemed fishy to me. Then she gets a call from the sheriff. He said you need to come to my office right this second. When dateline continues. With this one little nexgard chew comes power, confidence, reassurance youre doing whats right, to protect your dog from fleas and ticks for a full month. This one little nexgard chew is the 1 vet recommended protection. And its the only chew, fda approved to prevent infections that cause lyme disease. Plus, its safe for puppies. 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A dropped welding glove leads to a tattooed man named Timothy Suckow, whose phone had the number of a man who may have ordered the murder of Doug Carlisle, James Henrikson in north dakota. Did you feel as if you had the outlines of what the conspiracy was . I thought we had a pretty good idea of what had actually been going on, but it turned out to be a lot more. A sentiment, which, as the investigation turned rapidly back to north dakota, sarah, aka mrs. James henrikson could have put in the same words but for more personal reasons. Best i remember is there was rumors of james having an affair. Its an old story, of course. Husband cheats on wife with a younger woman. Even younger than sarah, who was only in her 20s. What was it like to hear that he was cheating on you in the first place . It was hurtful, but it was so off the wall. I just didnt believe it. Like generations of wives before her, until the truth was impossible to avoid. What was that like to hear . Horrific. Especially when i found out with who. I just thought absolutely not. No way. Wouldnt believe it. Wouldnt believe it. She was like my little sister. This is her. The young woman in the unpleasant little triangle. But she wasnt just some other woman. This is peyton martin, daughter of tex hall, the chief of the mha nation on whose tribal land was the oil lease, the one james and doug carlile wanted so badly. Peyton was 19. You knew her. Mmhm. Yeah. I had a vacation, Family Vacation with her. In fact, here they are in hawaii. James in the water. Sarah there on the paddleboard and there on another board was peyton. I think i found a picture of her on facebook where she was pregnant. And so i called her and asked her. And she said its none of my business, but if its my husbands then get over it. Mmhm. Peyton denied saying that, by the way. But when the baby was born, a very healthy and happylooking little boy. James and peyton named him bentley, of all things. Bentley. Just like that expensive automobile james bought for sarah, then left in the garage with flattened tires. You cant make it up. Its weird. Its so strange. Bentley. Yeah. As you can see, he was the one who wanted the car and the name and the show. Chief tex hall, as you might imagine was not pleased about any of that. He banished james from the reservation. But there was something neither tex nor sarah knew just then. Not just that the spokane cops were investigating sarahs wayward husband. Out on the north dakota prairie, another lawman had been poking around for more than a year. Homeland security agent derrick truedell had heard from a colleague about the missing casey clark and the Ripoff Report and other possible crimes. He told me the story, and it sounded unbelievable is what it did. Eric truedell was hooked. So by the time burbridge started showing up, he could tell them a thing or two about James Henrikson. How would you describe him . He comes across as just youre at a loss for words. He comes across as a used car salesman, but thats not fair to used car sales men. The guy is just, hes a scumbag. By the time Doug Carlisle was murdered, he had been on james trail for more than a year, looking into possible illegal drug imports and the mysterious disappearance of friend and Employee Casey clark. It began to look like henrikson was behaving like some latter day wild west outlaw. Hes a sociopath and a coward. And he didnt get his hands dirty in any of it. Truedell already suspected henrikson may have ordered someone to kill casey clark. Then doug carlile was murdered in washington and he began working with detective burbridge. If Timothy Suckow was the hit man in spokane, did he kill casey clark, too . They checked mr. Suckows number at the time against the phone records they acquired back when mr. Clark disappeared and his number was in those records. Meaning suckow was in the area when casey clark disappeared. Sarah, meanwhile, her marriage falling apart, had begun to harbor suspicions about james and not just his cheatin ways. It went back to the day james told her about doug carliles death. He just walked into the room and was like, dougs dead, straightfaced, nothing. It was the strangest thing ever. Did you think at the time, i wonder if james had something to do with this . It seemed fishy, it did. But again, your lifes already crumbling. You dont want to think that your husband could be doing anything like that. Why didnt you get out of that marriage . I was scared of him. So. Everyone wants the fairy tale. Everyone wants to be married with a good life of kids and it came crashing quickly. So finally, sarah started talking about divorce. I told him and hed be like, how are you going to feel if you divorce me and find out all this isnt true and the kids not mine . Youll be a horrible person and im going to destroy you and he was very threatening. Was he serious . A month after the murder of doug carlile, january 2014, sarah got a call from her local sheriff. He said you need to come to my office right this second. Coming up sarah gets some frightening news. Homeland security was waiting for me. And they were like, your husband is trying to have you killed today. What was that moment like for you . Doesnt seem real. Its like a movie. When dateline continues. Sog thats acidic it sucks the minerals out of the tooths surface. Pronamel is formulated to help deliver minerals to the tooths surface to help reharden and strengthen your enamel. You cant always stop for a fingerstick. Betes with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you dont have to. With a painless, onesecond scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. No matter where you are or what youre doing. Ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. You can do it without fingersticks. Learn more at freestylelibre. Us. Sarah didnt know which way to turn. With investigators in two states closing in, her husband, james had vanished. Their marriage was on life support, and shed just been summoned by her county sheriff. So i went into his office and Homeland Security was waiting for me. And they were like, sit down, we need to talk to you. And they said we just received in the last ten minutes that your husband is trying to have you killed today. Sarah . On a hit list . Why . Sarah had a pretty good idea. They wanted all the money. And he knew i had it locked up with the divorce getting ready. So get her out of the way and well get all the assets. So they could run to brazil. But sarah marked for death . Yes, the sheriff told her, she was supposed to die that very day. What was that moment like for you . I cant even describe it. Doesnt seem real. Its like a movie. I sat there and spoke with them all day. And id asked, can i call someone . Like, i dont know what to do. They said nope. We have to take you into a safe home. Call no one . Hmmm. Not even your mom . No, no one. Because they were afraid james would harass my family and friends to find my location, once he realized i wasnt responding to him, he went into panic mode. He didnt know if i was working with the police, if i was dead, if i was on the run. The cops knew her husband was lurking somewhere out there. But they couldnt find him. He was harassing a lot of my friends and family, trying to see if theyd heard from me, which they hadnt. Now the cops were sarahs best hopes to stay alive. They tried a ruse to throw him off the scent. They drove me to the border in canada to make it look like i had jumped the border to see if james would chase me. He did not. But where was he . No one seemed to know. With sarah close enough so they could actually see her, investigators tried to track her husbands phone. Youre sitting in a Homeland Security office and listening to them ping him across the state. Hes on the run, hes on the move. A car backfired in the parking lot and all these agents pull their guns out and run to the windows, because they didnt know if james was in town. Its a surreal thing. Even if they found him, though, they couldnt charge him with murder or conspiracy. Didnt have enough evidence for that. But they did have something quite useful. A few days earlier, a search warrant enhanced federal and state agents descended on james and sarahs empty house while they were out of town. What did you find in the house . Found a lot of financial records. Found some firearms. Some firearms . Yeah. I cant remember the exact number. It didnt matter if there was one there, he was a convicted felon, right . Correct. Grounds for immediate arrest. Agents fanned out around north dakota. And a few days later, in a little place called mandan, there he was. What was he doing . He was over at his girlfriends friends apartment. That is the apartment of a friend of peyton. The chiefs daughter. We had guys stake out around it, doing surveillance on it. As we drove by, i recognized him. And i knew that was him. On the street. We hopped out, told him to show us his hands. He was surrounded by cops, guns drawn and pointed. So what happened then was very odd. He had his hands in his pockets. Kept telling him to show me his hands. He wouldnt show me both hands at the same time. He had this stupid smirk on his face. We helped him to the ground. Hes smiling up at me and asked me, you know, hey, how are you . He instantly went into like trying to charm us. Trying to pull a con on the cop. Yeah, like he was going to build rapport and we were going to be buddies . Bizarre though the arrest was, James Henrikson was in custody. Sarah, no choice, had to stay in deep cover, hiding in a secret shelter. Unable to call friends or even her parents just in case the hit was still a go. I had a bunch of friends call the sheriff and the police, and they were asking, they said we think hes had her killed. We drive around looking in ditches, because no one was allowed to know. They wanted him to think that it had gone through to see what he would do. Cant imagine what it would be like for your family. It was hard for them. And james agreed very civilized, to talk to investigators, but what he did not do [ laughter ] [ bleep ]. Was tell them the real story of what hed been up to. He gave us, to me, it was a story. He talked about the cartels. The triad, all these organized crime groups that he implied having connections to. Did he think you were buying it . Oh, i think in his mind he thought we were buying it. But it was so outlandish, nobodys going to believe that. Trouble was, investigators in north dakota and spokane still didnt have enough solid evidence to tie James Henrikson to the murders of carlile and clark. Henrikson would have to wait in jail. That is if they could keep him there while he had other ideas. Coming up preparing for the great escape. They knocked out that window, dropped some bed sheets to the ground, nine stories. Oh, my god. When dateline continues. Lowes has committed over 170 million to support frontline workers, and our more than 300,000 dedicated associates. Thank you for everything youre doing. And here we have another burst pipe in denmark. If you look close. Jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip . Ouch, okay. Huh, boring, boring, you dont need to see that. Oh, here we go. Can you believe my client steig had never heard of a home and auto bundle or that renters could bundle . Wait, youre a lawyer . Only licensed in stockholm. What is happening . Jamie anyway, game show, kumite, cinderella story. 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Its almost like a tragic comedy when you see this group of people involved with this case. Like the time they put out a hit on another business partner, but the hit man ran off with the money. The guy rips them off for 10,000. As he said, it was the easiest 10,000 he ever made. Gradually, agent truedell and burbridge and sesnick amassed circumstantial evidence to show henrikson for all his criminal fumbling did orchestrate two murders, casey clark and doug carlile. But it was not quite enough circumstantial evidence to take to trial. Till finally, the break they needed. Timothy suckow, remember him . Admitted he killed both victims on orders from James Henrikson, and the middleman caved, too. Robert delao. The man who came snooping around the investigation a couple of days after the carlisle murder and passed a polygraph. Which might Say Something about polygraphs. Now deleo admitted he recruited suckow and transmitted henriksons orders and the money. So september 2014, nine months after his arrest on weapons charges, James Henrikson was flown from north dakota to spokane, washington and charged with multiple counts of conspiracy, solicitation and murder for hire in the deaths of casey clark and doug carlile, and attempts on the lives of three more Business Partners. He was not charged, however, with trying to kill his wife sarah, because, said the prosecutors, they went with the charges that were easiest to prove. So henrikson was toast, unless . As he sat in the spokane jail awaiting trial, henrikson did his best to see that the trial would never happen. He tried to hire people to attack the marshal man that was transporting him. Shoot the driver, set fire to the van and break him out the back while the vans on fire. Oh, lord. He was still letting on that he had a lot of money. And in jail obviously, it doesnt take too long to find people that will bite on that. He found one that needed help with his current charges, so he turned him in pretty quickly. Thus the plan was foiled. Yes. But henrikson wasnt done. He was in another cell with a person suspected of murder. In our jail, there are windows in each of the cells. They knocked out that window, dropped some tiedtogether bed sheets down to the ground nine stories. Oh, my god. Some people showing up for work saw it hanging out the window. Can you squeeze someone out the window . Theyre purposely designed so an adult human head cant get out the window. So there was no way they were getting out. They could have charged him for escape attempts. They didnt. The prosecutor had bigger things to do. And finally, january 2016 James Henrikson encountered them. I was so mad i couldnt see straight. Doug carlisles still grieving family. I had to say a prayer for god to calm me down. I wanted to put my hands on him, for sure. Then youd be in trouble. It would be worth it. The federal prosecutors were, however, not exactly confident about their case. Proving casey clarks murder was the toughest part that i was thinking of. We didnt have a body. We had no forensic evidence. So, to get a conviction, theyd need these two sketchy characters, who allegedly on orders from henrikson had done some truly awful things. If they didnt tell the story and make the jury believe it, henrikson would get away with murder. But if they did tell it . What sort of credibility would a person like that have . My concerns our most important witness is going to admit that he killed two people, literally beat casey clarks brains out. How do you handle that . You have to embrace it, that our number two witness has a tattoo on his back of him urinating on the headstone of the last guy that he killed. These are our two star witnesses. Still, tim suckow, the actual killer was by far the more important witness. After all, suckow could tell the jury chapter and verse about the many twisted and homicidal plots set in motion by James Henrikson. So, two nights before the trial was to begin, attorneys jones and ahmed went to see suckow, to prepare him for his testimony. And thats where it all went south. Suckow is bipolar. He was laying down on the floor of the prison cell in a fetal position. So this is two days before our star witness is going to testify. And hes basically sucking his thumb on the floor of a jail cell. Were there at 10 00 at night, trying to make sure this guy gets his medication so he can effectively testify before a jury. Would James Henrikson, the desperado of the oil patch go free . Coming up the entire courtroom stunned. I had decided long before then James Henrikson was crazy. I didnt know he was that kind of crazy. When dateline continues. Im searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like im just wasting time. 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And in court he repeated just what he said here in his pretrial interviews, that he met delao and they both worked for the company that owned the white van he drove the night he shot doug carlile, but the year before that job, delao told him he could make money for roughing up some guy in north dakota. But then the boss, James Henrikson, changed the plan. So when casey showed up at james office before going on vacation, suckow was behind the door with a heavy truck jack. They ditched caseys truck in a nearby town said suckow, and then they took caseys body to a lonely spot 20 miles out of town. He said he did the digging while henrikson stood nearby. Anyway, he said he got the 20,000 and he burned the bloody clothes. Investigators found buttons and other evidence of that burn pile. But though they took suckow to the prairie twice to look for the burial site, they never found casey clarks body. Casey clark was simply killed for the reason that he just wanted to leave James Henriksons employment. He felt wrong. So he was going to kill him . It was like a jealousy, cheating spouse kind of thing. And why did he want doug carlile killed . He really felt that the oil deal they were involved with was worth tens of millions of dollars, and he thought that doug carlile was standing in the way of him getting most, the large share of those tens of millions of dollars. Mr. Carlile had already threatened mr. Henrikson that he was going to get him out of the oil drilling business. And that was the thing that triggered this whole business . Yeah, they were each trying to get each other out of the deal. At the trial, prosecutors introduced hundreds of text messages, an almost play by play account as the plan rolled out. You can watch a text message go from henrikson to delao and then the content is passed from delao to suckow and back the other way. Negotiations over payment, whos going to be there, an alarm system. Though, when doug carlile returned from church that evening in december, suckow was waiting. He brought a heavy welding glove in case he had to punch in a window. He didnt have to. And then somehow the welding glove got left behind. The glove that revealed suckows dan and broke the case. Without the glove we would probably be unsolved to this day. And what could have happened then . James henrikson was a very dangerous man, was actively planning more murders. Eventually, they said, had suckow not lost his welding glove, henrikson might have become that worst of all criminals. A serial killer is someone who causes the death or murder of three people. He certainly got an a for effort, because he tried. There were about 11 people that we know of that he tried to have murdered. James henriksons attorneys declined our request for interview, but they blamed suckow and delao and said the jury should not believe such unsavory characters. Elberta watched the trial play out day after day, same prayer on her lips. I prayed for justice for my husband, that the truth would come out and that there would be a way to go on in life. Deliberations took less than a day. On all 11 counts, murder for hire, solicitation, conspiracy and more, the jury found James Henrikson guilty. We wanted to jump up and down and clap, you know, as a family, because our whole family was there. It was great. In the weeks that followed, robert delao, the gobetween, was sentenced to 22 years in prison. When Timothy Suckow, the hit man, faced the judge . The only thing he ever asked for was that we do what we can to ensure that he was sent to a prison with appropriate Mental Health facilities so he could figure out what was wrong with him. Then, in court, he turned around and faced elberta. Said please forgive me. Im so sorry for what ive done. Did he seem genuine . He did. He said it in tears, and he said i cant forgive myself, but can you forgive me . And i, i told home yes. I said i forgive you. And god forgives you. 30 years for tim suckow. When it was James Henriksons turn, a ripple ran through the court. Would he, too, ask forgiveness, admit guilt . Apologize . Reveal the location of casey clarks body . Well, no. Not a chance. He read a short story that was very graphic about abortion. So much so that everybody in the courtroom was very uncomfortable with what he was saying. And i think he just did that to purposely upset people. I had decided long before then that James Henrikson was crazy. I didnt know he was that kind of crazy. Henrikson will leave prison only in a box, having received two consecutive life sentences. Hes chosen not to appeal. And here in the vast north dakota grass lands, casey clarks friends and family are still searching, vowing to stay with it until they find him. I just want to like, all right, james, you son of a bitch, were going the get him. Were going to finally get some closure for everybody here. And elberta . Sometimes grief overwhelms me. Im in a pile of tears, and ive not lived alone ever. Takes some figuring out. It takes figuring out. Sarah, thoroughly investigated, was held blameless, not involved in james violent conspiracies. But in the community and among some in law enforcement, suspicion lingers. In june 2017, she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud. Sarah was sentenced to three years of probation and ordered to pay over 340,000 in restitution. So, as you look at all these events, and you think, gosh, what sin did i commit to be in this spot. What would you say . I trusted a con artist. I trusted a sociopath. I married a monster. Some people think i should be one, too, but im not. Wreckage, lots of it. Once upon a time, in a flat and gracious land, where tough men wrestle for oil, murderous ambition bubbled up with the crude and made a play as old as human kind. What was it all about, really . Why . Greed. Plain and simple. It came down to greed. All about money. This sunday, flattening the curve. We know now for sure that the mitigation that we have been doing is having a positive effect. Good news as new cases are easing. The last few days we have been able to take our first breath. But the death toll still rising. The bad news isnt just bad. The bad news is actually terrible. Its almost unfathomable, folks, when you think about that. With millions newly unemployed, President Trump wants to reopen the economy quickly. Hopefully were going to be opening up very, very, very, very soon, i hope. But how can we do that without adequate testing