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MSNBCW Dateline May 4, 2020

He wanted to have women and his wife was getting in the way. Reporter were police just plain wrong . Its like this Twilight Zone where lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. Reporter maybe the real killer was still out there. You have lied to the police about this case. Yes, sir. So devastating. We knew that that was probably the key to solving this. Thirteen years. Thirteen years of hell reporter such an awful crime. The wife. The little boy and girl. My kids are dead. Reporter shot at point blank range. I was just dumbfounded. I was shocked, what i saw. Reporter how to comprehend it . I said, what . What are you, what are you talking about . What are you saying . Reporter the husband had an alibi. Could he have slipped away for, say, ten minutes . He couldve done anything. But he didnt. Reporter 13 years. Three trials, appeals, reversals. And changing stories. The big picture here, charles, for a lot of people is it sounds like a crock. It doesnt pass the sniff test. Theres a lot of things about this case that doesnt make sense. Reporter it has been a long, winding pursuit of justice as one family sees it. It just gets more and more wrong. I kind of adopted this saying that when you enter into the courtroom, lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. Reporter but there is another side. Another family. One which sees a terrible miscarriage of justice. You wonder if everybody got three trials, how many guilty people would be out walkin the streets. Mommy, theres a present for you. Okay. Reporter but theres one indisputable truth kim, jill, and bradley camm were nothing less than innocents lost that evening. When do you miss em the most . Every day. And ill tell you, whoever said that time heals has never lost a child. This goes in both peoples pile. Both people pile . I can tell you that time doesnt heal anything. The pain becomes a part of you. Reporter time. Turn the clock back to the year 2000, september 28th, to be precise, a thursday after work. The place a church Rec Center Gym in georgetown, Southern Indiana. A pickup basketball game was underway with the usual thursday night guys. This is just you guys gettin together. Just pride. Pride. Little bit o glory days, huh . Yeah. Reporter david camm, a 36yearold manager at a waterproofing business was a regular. You guys grow up with it. This is religion, right . Yeah. We play a little basketball in indiana. Reporter that night after the game wrapped up, david headed straight home. He and his wife kim had two children, brad, a quiet 7yearold and little jill, a spitfire, two years younger. Usually, david helped kim with the kids in the evening, but on this night he was late and he knew kim wouldnt be happy about that. They gotta get their homework done before they went to bed. And i thought, shes gonna be upset when i get home cause im not there to help. Reporter as he rolled into his driveway, he clicked the garage door opener. A nightmare awaited him. Once the the garage door raised up just above the hood of my truck, thats when i saw kim. She was down on the garage floor . Yeah, actually at first i thought it was jill lying there. I didnt realize it was kim until i got outta my truck and ran into the garage. And then thats when i i saw that it was kim. How do you take this in . Its too much to absorb. Its indescribable, you know, what was going through my mind at the time. I cant put it into words. Reporter kim was still, bent slightly at the waist, a long pool of blood running from her head. The doors to her bronco were open. When do you look into the vehicle . I dont remember how long it was, but after checking on kim, being assured in my mind that she was gone, i just suddenly thought about the kids. Where are the kids . And my first instinct was to look into the bronco. And i got up on the passenger seat and i could see more into the back. And thats when i saw brad and jill. Reporter jill, still buckled in on the back passenger side, was slumped over. There was blood in her hair. Next to her, brad, seemed to be clambering over the seat. Was it apparent even in your shock that this was a gunshot event . I did not know. I did not know how they had died. So youre in there, between the console over top of the console, thats correct. Thats how i got back in there and grabbed brad. Brad, what, felt warm to you as you recall . Yeah, and i thought maybe he might have a chance. Reporter david had been an indiana state trooper for almost 11 years. That night in the garage, david says, his Police Training kicked in. It seemed to him that his daughter, jill, was dead. But if there was even a whisper of a chance for his son, brad, david knew he had to get him out of bronco and give him cpr. I picked him up and pulled him in to me and turned around and went back out the same way that i came in. Reporter came out the passenger door and put him down on the garage floor and, what, started working on him . Exactly. Were you getting any signs of anything . I just remember looking at his face. And, like with jill, his eyes there was no moisture. They were half shut. It was it was pretty obvious that he was gone. And this has all happened in, what, 45 seconds of your life . Thats yeah. Probably. Maybe a minute. Reporter kneeling on the bloody garage floor, amidst the bodies of his family, david knew he had to get help. Dave . Get everybody out here to my house now. Okay. Reporter he called the Indiana State Police where he used to work. Get everybody out here to my house. Go to dave camms house now. Signal 10. Okay. David were gonna, weve got people on the way, okay . Get everybody out here. Come here. Everythings going to be okay all right . Were going to. Every, everythings not okay, get everybody out here now theyre coming, go to dave camms house now. Do you know what happened, david . No. Reporter david camms 13year journey into hell was only minutes old. Coming up he was beating on the door hollering, nelson, somebody killed my family, theyre all dead. Reporter your family, dead, murdered. How do you begin to absorb that . Just all these things spinning around inside my head is sush rerreal. He went down to the ground, was laying down and said, why did i have to go . There was more pain, much more still to come. When dateline continues. That works at liquid speed. Youll ask. What pain . Advil liquigels minis. Protect your pet with the 1 name in flea and tick protection. Frontline plus. Trusted by vets for nearly 20 years. Frontline plus. Whove got their eczema under control. Rs, with less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. 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I, i looked in the back seat and thats when i saw little jill back there. I reached back and i touched her arm or shoulders, something and i said, jilly jilly jilly. You knew she was gone . I knew she was gone. And i said, dave, i i think theyre all gone, buddy. I think theyre all gone. Reporter david lost it. He actually went down to the ground, was layin on his back and rollin around and sayin, why . Whyd i have to go . Whyd i have to go . Why didnt i just stay with them . Reporter uncle nelson managed to get david away from the garage. Dave was trying his best to get back in. I wouldnt let him go back in. So you really are the officer, securing the scene . I was trying to, i knew it had to be done, cause i knew we had a crime scene and i wanted to make sure that i didnt do anything to hamper it. Reporter david camm says he was way beyond understanding anything that night, but the questions wouldnt stop. All these things spinning around inside my head. Is this real . Am i really here . Did i really just find kim, brad, and jill, as they are . You know it was just uh, it was surreal. Reporter that night was the end of everything david and kim had built together. Theyd met in the late 1980s. They were introduced by marcy mcleod. Marcy had been best friends with kim ever since ninth grade. She was very quiet, for the people that didnt know her, and reserved. But very funny. Very loyal. Very sweet. Reporter david and kim married in 1989. They threw a Big Fun Party then got on with their lives. Kim in corporate accounting and david as an indiana state trooper, which was a career kim had encouraged him to pursue. Find that drunk driver thats out there reporter here he is in uniform being interviewed in the 1990s about road safety during the holidays. The big hat seemed tailor made for david camm. He was soon member of an elite emergency a kind of swat team. That is a band of brothers, huh . Oh, yeah. Kinda special weapon. Weapons tactical group. Right, exactly, yeah. Loved those guys. I mean, were talkin about guys that you would literally die for. Reporter but over time, after the kids were born, david wanted to spend more time with his family. So in may 2000, he went to work as a manager in his uncle sam lockharts business and left the band of brothers. Boy, it mustve been hard to leave, dave . You know, it was but. I mean, you had this good thing youre goin to and you wanted to right. Have more of a life. But yet youre i can see how much you liked. It was really wasnt. Being in Law Enforcement. Yeah, it really wasnt that difficult, though, because i just felt like it was definitely i was in a point in my life when i needed to make that change and i wanted to make that change, and i presumed that i would remain close with these guys, that they would always be my friends and that they would always have my back if i ever needed em. Reporter by september 2000, the camms seemed to be living a picture perfect life. Things were going well at home and at work. Kim was a totally engaged mother. Davids uncle, sam lockhart saw the camm family all the time. Great mom. A great mom. She would run those kids everywhere. And the kids, they were like, my grandkids. Jill, jill. Little jill, yeah. She. Tell me about her. She was a character. She really was. Just a funny little girl. If she didnt have your attention, shed get it. She was very i think she would have been very athletic. She was gifted in that way. And brad was the swimmer, right . He loved it. He was great at it. Being a father, i thought, this kids good. Reporter there were gatherings with davids sprawling extended family, the lockharts the descendants of nine brothers and sisters on davids mothers side. The lockharts were so entrenched in this patch of Southern Indiana that they had a road named after them. Lockhart road. Where davids family lived. Could not have been a better place for us to be when all of this terrible stuff happened. Reporter the awful news raced through two families that night. Davids sister julie was getting ready to go to bed when the phone rang. I said, what . What are you, what are you talking about . What are you saying . Reporter julie went straight to her parents house. Mom had all of the pictures of brad and jill i guess that she could gather up and was holdin them. And just sitting on the floor and just rocking and sayin, my babies. My babies. Theyve killed my babies. Somebodys killed my babies. Reporter david sent his uncles to tell kims parents, janice and frank renn. Janice, late at night, the doorbell rings, what can this be, huh . Well, it cant be good. So i go out and i open the door and i see em standing out there and i think my mind just went blank. And janice yelled for me to get out there. So i got out there and sam said, got some bad news. Kim, brad, and jill have been shot. With that, i just kinda slid down to sitting position. I sat there and cried and couldnt believe it. Reporter on lockhart road, the sound of sirens, followed by flashing lights. A Homicide Investigation was beginning. And davids friends and former colleagues in the Indiana State Police would be on the front line. Coming up, something strange at the crime scene. Kims shoes placed neatly on top of the bronco. What could that mean . Never seen her take her shoes off. Never. You saw the shoes up . When dateline continues. From my copd medicine ore thats why ive got the power of 1, 2, 3 medicines with trelegy. The only fdaapproved oncedaily 3in1 copd treatment. Trelegy the power of 1,2,3 trelegy 1,2,3 trelegy man with trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3, im breathing better. Trelegy works three ways to open airways, keep them open and reduce inflammation, for 24 hours of better breathing. Trelegy wont replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. Trelegy is not for asthma. Tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high Blood Pressure before taking it. 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The first thing the prosecutor noticed was the ribbon of blood running out of the garage right down the drive. I almost stepped in it myself. Reporter he could see the wife and mother, kim camm, lying by the open passenger door, her pants removed. It had the signature of a sexcrime, the children killed because they were witnesses. Sevenyear old brad was on his back, a gray sweatshirt lying by him, an article of clothing that would become hugely important in time. The boy was laying there and his hands were out. And of course i didnt see the little girl, they told me that she was still in the truck. Reporter the state police, indianas top investigative force, had already begun its work. The crime scene techs examined the bronco, took their measurements, and their pictures. Stan faith studied the scene. Was there anything odd or was it. No, no. Too soon for you to take all that stuff in. No, no, no. The thing that struck me the most was how clean the garage was. You just dont expect that. Reporter some of the troopers in the garage had been fellow officers of the husband, david camm. There were a couple that i didnt really recognize. But for the most part throughout the course of the evening, they would be people that i knew. Reporter the trooper who would become the lead investigator, was davids childhood friend. They had the talk right there. Dave, you know, we gotta clear you first. And i kept saying, just do it right, i said that repeatedly. Reporter as a former cop, david camm knew the score about spouses. You knew because of your experience they always

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