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Wrong. Detectives would launch an undercover operation. Time to come clean, snok that would lean to a long shocker. Are you ready for whats coming . I know that it has to happen. Saz disappearance in the desert. Could it be the perfect crime . I could only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of secret. Welcome to dateline. Im lester holt. For eight years, it was a mystery. A husband who had simply vanished. On the surface, it didnt make sense. He had a wife, a lucrative job, a daughter he loved. But investigators were told he also had a secret. So was he missing or was he hiding . That question would lead detective to a dark discovery, because someone else had a secret, too. Heres josh. Reporter theres an old saying that two people can keep a secret, if one of them is dead. We never talked about what happened or why it happened. Reporter every marriage has itssecrets, and this one was no different. But what if the secret becomes bigger than you . I was just solving the problem. Reporter they were two people who had been unlucky in love the first time around. Back this she was ellen sheffield, in her early 30s, divorced with a young child. And looking for someone to share that next chapter of her life. And then, quite literally, in walked mike snyder. It was the fall of 91. Auto mechanic mike snyder was visiting a friend at the car dealership where ellen works. He was curious about the red head who greeted him with a big hello. He didnt remember who i was but he got back to work and called back over to find out who i was. Turned out they worked together years before. This time the quick encounter led to a fixup of mutual friends. Great guy. Showed interest in me. Opposites attracted. The quiet and introverted mike hit it off with talkative and outgoing ellen. Hed leave flowers on my car can. We would go out to dinner. He was nice to my son. That was important to you. It was very important to me. Absolutely. And ellen herself was smitten with mike. He was skilled mechanic. Regarded as one of the very best in albuquerque. Hed work at least six days a week. He was usually the first one there and the last one to leave. Dave worked alongside mike for a decade at this jeep dealership. If you owned a jeep and it was an older jeep, mike could fix it. He had a wealth of experience with the jeep product. That wealth of experience earned mike a sixfigure salary. Were you happy for his success . Absolutely. You know, it was a proud thing to say mike snyder was my boyfriend. Ellen was making a fame for herself, too. She was the Automotive Service adviser at a neighboring dealership. There is a perception that women dont know about cars as much as men do. It irritates me to no end. She knew about cars and how to make the customer happy. Jim calls her a Problem Solver. What can we do to fix the problem and make it go away. All she wanted to do is take care of the customer. This Problem Solver was a rising star at work and as for her personal life, ellens was running on all cylinders. Six weeks after we started dating he bought me diamond earrings for christmas. It was all very fast. So fast that only after a few months of dating ellen and her 8yearold son michael moved in with mike. Did he seem like he was happy . He did seem like he was happy. He did. Mike had no children of his own. Now he was filling a void in young michaels life. Mikes sister teri. He treated him almost like his own son. They shared interests. They would tinker in the garage together. It wasnt long until ellen noticed that mikes affection wasnt all she wished for. Im happy we are going to have valentines day together. Were in love and he doesnt come home. He decided he was going out it with his friends. On valentines day. On valentines day. He couldnt understand why i was upset about that. Not every guy makes a big deal out of valentines day so ellen chalked it up to mike not being the most sensitive of men. Were you sad . Im not sure if sad is the right word for it. I think i was a little confused at the time. Confused or not, they stayed together and a few years later they married and then ellen became pregnant. They began to build a 4,000 square foot house in an upscale subdivision in the foothills of albuquerques mountains. That house was our dream house. It was ready just in time for the baby. Only mike wasnt ready are. He wanted to stay at work on the day ellen was giving birth. I called his boss and said im in the hospital having a baby and he said, well, mikes here and i said, yeah, he is. Do you think you could send him . Once again, maybe not the most sensitive husband, but mike loved that baby girl. They named her elizabeth. She was just the joy of my brothers life. He thought the world of that child. Ellen would come by the dealership and bring elizabeth by. Mike would get her a balloon, candy, soda and give his time to her. Everything else stopped. Behind closed doors, mike and ellens marriage was starting to unravel. Ellen said mike seemed jealous of her success at work. Once i was promoted to service manager, it basically became hurtful and he was standoffish. Ellen says from the time elizabeth was conceived, mime mike had moved out of the bedroom permanently. Never slept together again. And so mike and ellen began to live two separate lives in that dream home with their children, but still they stayed together. I still wanted this marriage to work. I didnt want to give up. That is until she learned about that secret, the big secret that would ultimately tear this family apart. I thought after christmas when everything was done that i would tell him what i knew. Dateline returns after the break. Or. Discover whats possible at lowes. Com. Yeah. This moving thing never gets any easier. Well, xfinity makes moving super easy. 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Mike hung on as well, but his sister terri says mike was thinking of ending it. I believe he was in the process of trying to leave her. He was moving belongings to my mothers house. Mike and ellens daughter elizabeth was now 6 years old and very much daddys little girl. And michael, ellens son from her first marriage, was 17, a high school junior. How was mike as a father toward michael . The older michael got the more harsh he was with him. Then mike snyder got sick and life in the home grew much worse for just about everyone in the Snyder Family. His body would go numb. He would pass out. He was in severe pain. It was the summer of 2001 when mike went to see a doctor. The doctor came in and said we believe that its an onseting case of multiple sclerosis. Multiple sclerosis. Theres no cure and it can range from a manageable disease to paralysis and even death. Mike was put on injection treatments to slow the progression of the disease. Ellen gave him the shots. It was my place. I was his wife. I was to take cake of him. As time went on, mikes work colleagues like chuck wyatt, noticed a physically weaker mike. He was struggling to make it through the day. We werent told what actually he had or what was going on but he was not coming in to work as often or every day. When he couldnt work at the level he expected of himself, mike went on disability. He was really starting to face it and try to understand how his life was going to be with ms. Which only added more stress to his marriage. Im sure my brother was going through incredible Emotional Turmoil about his physical condition. Maybe that was the reason mike began to wake ellen in the middle of the night to vent his anger. Yelling and demeaning and calling names. And told me how worthless i was. He didnt want to necessarily have the big fights in front of elizabeth. So he would wake me up at 2 00, 3 00 in the morning. And yell at you . And yell at me. Of course she was careful not to tell her colleagues this. Ellen was boss to a bunch of men. And she says if she feared if she showed a single chink in her armor, she would never again be effective. They see shes emotional and that is the focus. It is all about the women thing. And they wont respect you anymore . Right. But she did say aloud now that mike was sick, she would be there for him, as she promised, through the good times and the bad. She asked to see him through this. She said what kind of wife would i be . In sickness and health. Right. She wasnt going to leave him. But ellen said he had no problem leaving her. In fact, mike was spending more and more time away from ellen and his family. He was going back and forth between albuquerque and phoenix. Thats where jeep held its continuing education classes in auto mechanics. He still wanted to go to training because he had been going to training all along through his work history. A twoday trip became three days, then four days, then a week. Ellen was becoming increasingly suspicious of what mike was doing on those long trips away from his family and from her. I felt hurt and betrayed that i had gone along all of this time being the good wife for his ms. Then one night, mike was in the shower and his cell phone was sitting there on the table next to ellen. Curiosity, she says, got the better of her. She picked up his phone and opened it. So you listened to the messages. I listened to his messages. And what a shock that was. One message in particular from a man shed never heard mike mention. Someone named dave simmons, a man ellen believed was the reason mike was spending so much time in phoenix. He would talk about how satisfied he was with their sexual contact. He would be explicit as to what each had done to each other. So there wasnt any question what was going on here. No, none. It was january 11th, 2002, ellen says like so many nights before mike woke her for their nightly screaming match. This one was at 2 00 or 3 00 in the morning. Ellen, who never directly confronted mike about anything, now told him she knew all about the affair mike was having with dave simmons, the man from phoenix who left the explicit voice messages on mikes cell phone. There was, ellen says, a heated argument, and then mike left the next morning. At the jeep dealership where mike worked colleagues only knew he had been out is sick for a while. We didnt know if it was cancer or hed come back or not come back. We had no idea. This was like losing the star player. Pretty much, yes. In but mikes tool box was still at work, worth around 40,000 so everyone assumed hed return. That is until ellen broke the news about mike leaving town. Id ask ellen, hows mike doing . And she said mike moved to phoenix, or arizona, hes living in arizona. It was puzzling to mikes family. They could understand why mike wasnt talking to ellen, but why wasnt he talking to them . Their calls went straight to voice mail. We knew he was not doing well. We knew he was thinking about leaving ellen. So we were concerned as to why we hadnt heard from him. Was everything as it seemed . Was mike really in phoenix and if so what was he doing there . Coming up i was hearing rumors that he went to the caribbean and just disappeared. Where was mike . The mystery deepens and suspicions begin. I believe he fell victim to foul play. When dateline continues. Nle a comfortable nights sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. Now, that dream. Is her reality. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . Ill start. Oh, do you want to go first . For allday, allnight protection. No, no i dont. You go. I was just going to say on slide 7, talking about bundling and saving. Umm. Jamie, youre cutting out. 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What disappeared along with mike was ellens second marriage, which she says she fought so hard to save. Now, it had failed, just like her first. On the plus said, she said, mike was no longer there to torment her, belittle her and shout at her. Your husband wasnt waking you up in the middle of the night to yell at you now. Just you and the kids now. Just me and the kids. She said she tried to reach him but couldnt, and either could mikes family. He wasnt returning their calls either. So your mother calls you and says i havent heard from michael in a couple of weeks. Right. And youre thinking his ms is getting we were concerned. She said she knew that mike was planning to leave ellen soon and the whole family knew that much, or assumed it. But he wasnt supposed to leave everyone. He would have never done that to his mother. He would have at least given her, look, i dont want to be contacted. Please give me my space but im okay. At work jim noticed his boss ellen seemed more relaxed as if a weight had been lifted from her shoulders. She seemed happier. She seemed more content, kind of more at ease. And unbeknownst to ellen her collapsing marriage was the topic of office gossip. She didnt want anybody to know what was going on in her life. She didnt talk about her marriage, but other people did. Yeah. What they said was what, it wasnt working . They said mike was a hot head. Mike had a reputation at work for having a hot temper, for being intimidating. Mechanic dave syler worked with him for a decade. There was a lot of tension. You could feel it. A lot of people were careful around him, what they say and did. Because mikes fuse could blow and when it did you didnt want to be around. He could blow up at dispatchers and service advisers, and the dispatcher would be crying. So it didnt come as a big surprise when ellen announced that mike had left her. He packed up his stuff and moved to phoenix. Probably end up living in phoenix. And marriage must be over. The rumors spread through the albuquerque auto business, quicker than the latest recall. Mike had left town. Took money out of the house, took all of these things and just disappeared. And then later on i was hearing rumors that he was gay, had a male lover, went to the caribbean. Do you have any idea who the source of the rumors was . No. Everybody heard it and it was passed along throughout the dealerships. Did you believe it . Disappearing . It is one thing but being gay, no. Several months passed with no word from mike. Now his side of the family was so concerned they decided to go to the police. I knew at some point we had to we had to move on. We had to not just hope that he was out there, but had to at least explore other options. Down at the Albuquerque Police station, sister teri filed a missing persons report. She had a feeling that something had happened to her brother. It was one thing to leave a bad marriage, but quite another to end contact with the daughter mike loved. I know my brother remained steadfast in his love for his daughter. She was just the joy of my brothers life. I believed he fell victim to foul play. I really did not have a concrete explanation besides thats just how i felt. That was my gut. But teri wasnt too pleased with the response the officer gave them. The officer that took our report was a little arrogant and said, you know, hes a grown adult and that he can come and go as he pleases. So he really at that time didnt even want to write our report. Police are making the same argument that ellen was making. Right. Mike snyders name was entered into a nation missing 6 persons database but not much else the police could do or frankly would do. Former Albuquerque Police chief ray schultz. Its not against the law to be a missing person unless there is suspicious circumstances. And chief shultz was right in saying that mike was totally within his rights to walk out and cut off ties with everyone in his life. The people he loved, the people he no longer loved. And so the investigation was limited to that of a missing person. Winter 2002 turned to spring. No one heard from mike snyder. His expensive mechanics tools lay unused at work. Ellen, now a single mom, filed for divorce. She was awarded the house, the money in their joint account, and sole custody of their daughter elizabeth. When your daughter, mikes daughter, would say to you wheres daddy, what would you say . I didnt know. That he had left because he was mad at mommy. A year after mike left her, ellen said she could no longer afford that home they built together. Now that she only had her salary. So she sold the house and she and her kids, michael and elizabeth moved to a much smaller one. It was fall 2003 when ellen received a followup call from the Albuquerque Police department. The investigator wanted to know if she had spoken with mike. And you say what . I say that i dont consider him missing. That he is right where he wants to be. That he left me with this gay boyfriend and that i havent heard from him since. Police seemed to find it understandable that perhaps ellen didnt really care much about mikes whereabouts at that point. They never asked me anymore questions. Ever show up at your house . Nope. Whatever suspicions mikes side of the family had police apparently didnt share them. So with a few computer key strokes and without the familys knowledge or any further investigation, mike snyders name was literally wiped out of the National Missing persons database. Ellen had said he was not missing. And back then that was good enough for the police. There should have been obviously a little more investigation done other than just the word of ellen snyder. All of this time that you thought police were looking for him, they werent looking for him at all . 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The race was held at the Darlington Raceway as drivers and crews competed in masks. Now back to dateline. We would call missing persons and they would say someone would get back to us. I believe in a threeyear span, we had little to no contact with the Police Department, and turns out they werent even looking for him. Right. And during that time he was not each in the database. It had been three years since mike snyder left his home, his family, his whole life in albuquerque. No one had heard from the master mechanic, not even his little girl, who was 9 years old. That was one big red flag for me that kept me going. Because i knew there would be no way my brother would have ever left his daughter, ever. At the jeep dealership mike worked for ten years, his name was rarely mentioned in conversation. After three or four years of mike being gone, it didnt come up too much anymore. We knew he was sick. We didnt really know if he was still in a hospital somewhere or if he had just passed away from his illness. His tools were no longer lie thing unused. Ellens son michael was using them. He had followed in mikes shoes and had become a mechanic, as well. On those rare occasions when ellen would come by the shop where mike had once worked, his old colleague dave would ask have you heard from mike and she would say no. There seemed to be no concern for mike and she would just, to no, i havent seen mike. It is often said the happiest and saddest of occasions bring mikes family together. And when they gathered to mourn the death of mikes father, any hope the family had left for mikes return evaporated. That was the final straw. We were on board that my brother would have definitely shown up for his own fathers funeral. But ellen and her children did show up. With the family but seen the death announcement in the newspaper and came to pay their respects. We werent expecting them. So it was a little strange, kind of caught us off guard but once again we are in a state of mourning. We dont want to create issues. We werent going to have them escorted out. After all, mikes deceased father was the grandfather to elizabeth and step grandfather to ellens son michael. We let them come up to the casket, have their bereavement time and all of a sudden we noticed michael was hysterical, crying uncontrollably. At that point, my sister and i are just looking at each other and poking each other thinking, what . Michael cried so hysterically that his mother ellen had to escort the 20yearold out of the room. Were with he and your father close . Not close, per se. I mean he was no closer to my father than he was my mother. So it was a very odd occurrence that we all took note of. There was Something Else that teri remembers about that day. Something that enraged her. Ellen at some point comes up to my sister and asks about my fathers will. And wanted to know if there was anything in the will provision for his daughter, for mikes daughter. And shes asking about money. And shes asking about money. And the more she thought about it, the more teri had a sinking feeling that ellen knew something about mikes disappearance. She certainly wasnt acting like a woman who was trying to find the father of her child, and we could not understand why she didnt seem the least bit concerned about her child not having her father. It just didnt make sense to mikes side of the family. They pleaded with police to take a fresh look at the case, and in the spring of 2005, the Albuquerque Police agreed. Mark wilson, then a cold case detective, was assigned. The department said, yes, well look in to it. Its been three years. He left a young daughter behind. He left a house. The detective began to dig for any information on the missing mechanic. Did any record of him exist . First, we look in to obviously the criminal end to see if he had been stopped or maybe there might be a Police Report on him somewhere. There was nothing. Right. Theres nothing. We also look into the fact could he be dead somewhere. Checked the medical Investigators Office and hes not there. Right, hes not there. Then i started to look in to see if there might be any indication of financial records that might indicate he was working somewhere and there was once again we came into a dead end there. But the detective did discover one very curious thing. It turns out that mike snyder filed state tax returns in 2004 and 2005. Years after his disappearance. That doesnt sound like a missing person. No, it doesnt. What that sounds like to me, off the top of my head, is a guy that doesnt want to be found. It suggests the possibility that he might be alive. Is your brother the kind of person who would either know how or want to sort of live off the grid . He certainly had the financial means. Did he have the know how . I wouldnt think so. I dont know what it takes to live underground so to speak and be a person of a different identity. I dont know if he would even considered Something Like that. Could mike snyder be hiding, not missing . And if so why and from whom . Coming up the search for mike from the caribbean. Thats where he was with dave simmons. Correct. To his own backyard. The neighbor said she remembered michael and ellen digging out behind the garage, digging a hole. When dateline continues. Out here in the new mexico desert, the land is dry and vast. There are roads that lead nowhere, and mysteries that go unsolved. Cold case detective mark wilson had been trying to unravel one of those mysteries, the disappearance of albuquerque native mike snyder. He could have had a successful job anywhere in the country. One that would have shown up on your search . Right, yes. But there was no trace of him. Not anywhere. It was as if the master mechanic had simply vanished. There wasnt any indication of anything that would match up to him. But mike snyder had filed income tax returns in 2004 and 2005, years after he disappeared. It was quite simply very, very odd. With the investigation seeming to stall, detective wilson called the local paper, the Albuquerque Journal asking if they would file a story on the cold case. Maybe the attention would shake loose some leaves. Jeff proctor was a reporter with the paper. Police were willing to say publicly that they believed this may have been a homicide. Its no secret that in any homicide investigation, the spouse is always the first to be questioned. But before the detective had a chance to reach out to ellen, she was calling him. Complaining about that article. She said, where did you get this information . She was upset that it portrayed that he was just an innocent man, father that had disappeared. The article didnt implicate you. Yes, it did. I read it. It doesnt like lay the blame at your feet. Yes, it does. What did she tell you . She and michael had had a heated discussion, and that the next morning when she woke up he was gone and he hadnt taken a vehicle. Ellen told the detective she was pretty sure mike had moved to phoenix, home of his lover, dave simmons. But more recently she believes he moved on to the caribbean. She said hes probably on an island somewhere. We had looked at land on st. Croix. As far as i knew, i figured he had gone to st. Croix. And that thats where he was with dave simmons. Correct. In fact, ellen said she actually spoken with mike over the years. Mike had called a couple of times. You heard his voice. Yes. And wherever he was, he was maybe not angry at you anymore but at least the two of you were talking in a sort of nonangry way about the kids . I think we were still angry. I think i told him we were still angry. But he was gone and wasnt coming back. Right. Mikes sister teri hadnt let yet learned about mikes relationship with the mysterious dave simmons or about the accusation her brother was secretly gay. Ellen didnt share any of that with teri until a few years after mike had disappeared. She told other people about it at the time. Not us. She didnt seem to throw that out to us at first. Any of that make any sense to you . Oh, goodness, no. I dont believe for one minute that my brother is gay. That was only one of the components to ellens story that detective wilson wanted to check out. He said he asked ellen to come down to the Police Department to meet with him in person. Only she wouldnt. She said hes not missing. We said we want to find him and even asking her to come in and help us find him she would not come in. And so ellen and detective wilson never did meet face to face. She claims she was giving him all of the information you had. You werent giving him what he needed. He wanted to meet with him. He never said that. He said he did. He never asked me to come down, ever. Instead ellen mailed the detective some paperwork that she found in mikes desk. A Western Union Money Transfer from mike snyder to dave simmons in the amount of 200. A uhaul reset with dave simmons name and number. And a copy of mikes cell phone bill from december of twun, right before he disappeared, which showed a number of phone calls to that same number. You gave detective wilson all of the document you had on dave simmons . Yes. Unfortunately, ellen no longer had the voice mail, the one she claims to have discovered on mikes cell phone. The sexually explicit one from dave simmons. The only proof they had a relationship are the voice mails which dont exist anymore. I think people, if they knew mike, would know that he would never send anybody money ever unless there was some sort of relationship there. Mike was supporting this guy. I never found enough money that he was supporting him but he was definitely helping him out. Reporter police tell us ellens information didnt lead anywhere. The detective didnt locate mike in the caribbean and when he tried to contact dave simmons from phoenix he never got a response. But that same Albuquerque Journal article, the one that so infuriated ellen also got ellens former neighbors talking about something they had seen years before. Theyd seen michael and ellen digging out behind the garage, digging a hole. When was that . Around the time that michael went missing. The neighbor said she remembered seeing them out behind the garage with shovels. That was pretty intriguing to the detective. It sounded like a viable lead. So in late spring 2006, with the current homeowners permission, detective wilson brought two search dogs and their handlers to the snyders old property. A neighbor showed them where a flowering tree had been planted in 2002, a year after mike disappeared. My suspicion was there was a body under the tree. That they planted a tree to hide the body. The handlers let the dogs loose on the property. At first they showed little interest, that is until they went under the flowering tree. Incredible. Both dogs, independently of one another, gave their cadaver alert. The dog handler said this is an indication that possibly the scent is coming up through the tree. But she did say well, the body could be ten feet down here, 30 feet in that direction if indeed was there was a body there. Detective wilson had a new theory. Maybe mike snyder had never actually left home after all. Was this the big break the case needed . The detective discussed wit mikes sister. Of course, i get both excited, intrigued, anxious, and i start asking him a bunch of questions. The team tried to dig deeper but the ground was hard. What did you find . We didnt find anything and the dogs werent excited about the hole itself. And soon the trail went cold. The tip had seemed like gold, and mikes sister teri was crushed. The detective was deflated. I had to think that, well, theres a possibility that maybe his body was somewhere else. I did have a feeling that Michael Snyder was dead somewhere. The digging here was over. But metaphorically, at least, detective wilson still held a shovel. He was trying to get to the bottom of what ellen snyder had been do doing around the time her husband mysteriously disappeared and it wasnt long before he found someone ellen worked with who had offered some very unusual help. The coworker said i have a gun if you would like to use it, if that will help. Why in the world would ellen snyder need a gun . Thats when dateline returns after the break. But is her treatment doing enough to lower her heart risk . Maybe not. Jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. So it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. And it lowers a1c. 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In 2006, the Albuquerque Journal ran an article on the missing mechanic and father. The cold case, which had been virtually dead for years was suddenly picking up steam. Reporter jeff proctor. It triggered some tips to the Police Department, and it got people you know talking about this as something other than a husband who walked off on his family. For the first time Albuquerque Police were publicly calling the case a homicide investigation, and that caught the attention of a man named frank. He said, im the one who lent her the gun. If you think shes a suspect in this, i dont want my family in danger, so i want to turn the gun over to you. Frank was retired military. A straight by the book guy who had befriended ellen snyder when they worked together in 2001. She was telling people that he yelled at her all the time. It was christmas 2001. Ellen says the daily fighting in the snyder home had escalated. Mikes multiple sclerosis had grown progressively worse and with it so had his anger. He would push me around. He would, you know, he hit me. He hit you, how many times . One time . Three or four. Ellen now held an executivelevel position at a large dealership. She was the boss of 30 mechanics and making upwards of 90,000 a year. She put your feet to the fire. Make sure you get the job done and move on. She was no pushover. No pushover. She stood the up for hor herself. Right. Inside of the walls of the nice home ellens rank was near the bottom. He became condescending, controlling where i could go, who i could see. At home, mike made the rules and ellen obeyed them. You had a significant executive job at a big company. Yes. So you are not some little shrinking violet whose home cowering under her husbands direction. When it came to being home and opening that door i was that shrinking violet. Thats how things were. He ran the show. Two different ellens, two different lives. Detective wilson interviewed ellens old boss, a man named james cassell. He told the detective he remembered an incident when ellen came to work with bruises. She was wearing her sunglasses. I said why are you wearing sunglasses . She finally took off her sunglasses and she had a nice big old shiner and i said what the heck happened to you . She stated to me that supposedly mike and michael got into a big battle and mike was beating the crap out of him and she jumped in the middle of it and took the brunt of it. Was she giving the classic battered wife explanation for her bruises . A few days later, cassell said he heard yelling coming from ellens office. I hear world war iii breaking loose in the office next to me. There was a guy screaming. Turns out the loud, angry voice belonged to none other than mike snyder. Hes on this side of the desk. Shes on her side of the desk and hes just screaming and he stops when i barge in and he looks at me. I told him, i said, you know you cant do this here and he basically told me i needed to mind my own fin business. Her colleague, frank, having nothing but good intentions, volunteered to lone ellen a. 32 caliber semiautomatic pistol. I explained how to use it, please dont shoot yourself lesson. I never had one before. He offered me a gun after he saw my bruises. I took it home and put it in the back of the closet. Why not gather up the kids and leave . It was christmastime. I had a 6yearold daughter. Detective wilson checked for any Police Reports of Domestic Abuse or calls to 911. He found none. Did they have altercations throughout their marriage . I would imagine. Most couples do but i have never seen any violent temper in my brother. You know there are no documented police visit toss your house . I know that. A few months later ellen returned the gun to her colleague. He looked at it and her and said wheres the bullets . Ellen said a friend had taken her to a gun range and showed her how to use it. Dateline returns after the break. How do you thrive while inside . Activia is here with billions of probiotics to support your gut health. And help you thrive while you stay inside. Activia. Thrive while inside. His family, his friends, his coworkers. No one had seen mike snyder. Had his illness grown worse . Had he moved to another city with another man as his wife ellen claimed . Now, after all this time, someone is about to step forward from the shadows, to say he knows exactly what happened to mike snyder. Mystery over or just beginning . Here again is josh mankiewicz. Reporter mike snyder had been missing for eight long years. His family didnt know where he was. And the detective investigating the case had a hunch that mikes wife, ellen, was somehow involved. A coworker said he had loaned her a gun and she returned it with no bullets. He looked at her and said, where is the bullets . Detective wilson had discovered Something Else. Ellen had actually tried to purchase another gun at a local pawnshop one month earlier. She was turned down after a routine background check. You couldnt . What happened . It was a fraud charge. What did you do . I was working for a company that i wrote a check on. Reporter it turns out in the late 80s ellen pled guilty to embezzlement. The charges were dropped after her probation. Suddenly her skeletons were starting to see the light of day. While detective wilson was doing his investigative work, mikes sister, terri, a schoolteacher, was doing hers. She told the detective about a second Home Mortgage that ellen took out, terri claims, without mikes knowledge. We actually have a copy of that document of the second mortgage. And it is clear live not my brothers signature on either line. Thats true, ellen says. She did sign mikes name. But says mike knew all about it. The more terri thought about mike, the more she remembered his growing frustration with ellen in the months before he disappeared. He would get phone calls of collectors wanting to know where bills were past due. Bills he thought ellen had run up . Right. Ellen found herself in debt. She had 20 creditors, and owed more than 120,000 on her credit cards. Did mike know about the debt before he dropped by her work . Is that why mike had showed up in a rage . And if mike had been abusive, had ellen come to the conclusion she could solve that problem with a gun . Detective wilson was growing more and more skeptical of ellen snyders story. And so was mikes sister. But without any real proof that ellen had something to do with mikes disappearance, there was nothing that could be done about those aching suspicions. There was nothing that could tangibly prove murder enough until they had a body. And so add four years past. Mikes sister, teri, became more and more dissatisfied with the progress detective wilson was making. I think at first he was vel ze very zealous. I believe at first they worked very hard to find my brother. But as the years went by, the unknown had become unbearable for the Snyder Family. They wanted answers from the police. I think he got very upset with me that i was being pushy. Our phone conversations got less and less. I would call and leave a message and my messages werent being returned. They kind of, i think, put the case on the back burner, i believe. Detective wilson did continue to look for mike snyder but wilson had to also focus on the 20 other cold cases that needed his attention. And then one day in 2010, came a phone call that would break this case. A confidential informant who said he knew exactly where mike snyder was. You would look through the yard, not found anything, not found mike anywhere. Not been able to talk to ellen. Im not going to say this wasnt going anywhere, but it didnt seem to be pointing immediately to any resolution. Correct. And thats why you get this call. Yes. Detective mark wilson was sitting in his office when a most unexpected call came in. The caller, a confidential source, who said he had information on mike snyder. Who was this confidential source . Somebody that was a friend with michael sheffield. Ellens son . Ellens son. The mans name was patrick, a 26yearold motorcycle tech nick. He and ellens son, michael, had gone to high School Together and were close friends. He had been living with me in my house, with my son, for a month. They lived there rent free. Out of the goodness of your heart . Because he was my that wills friend, yeah. Tefls he was a good kid. They needed this break. Not only was he michael sheffields good friend, patrick was ellens employ eye at the kawasaki dealership where she was working as the service manager. My boss was giving me a lot of heat about patricks productivity and his comebacks. So he told me in december that i needed to let him go, but he wanted to wait until after christmas. I kept him much longer than i would have because he was a friend. The first week of january, 2010, ellen fired patrick. She could not have known just how life altering that decision would be. What did he say . Didnt say much. Just loaded up his stuff and left. Of course ellen didnt know that patrick knew the secret. He went to the police. And he went to the police. And now patrick was sitting in a starbucks with detective wilson letting him on the eight year old secret. He didnt really come forward out of the goodness of his heart or civic duty, this was revenge. Yes. Bhu youre tail it . Yes. Patrick told the detective that mike snyder had been killed and his body was buried this the yard of the snyders former home and how did patrick know this . His best friend michael had told him and on more than one occasion. He said the next day he told him about it and then over the years if they were together drinking or something that he would break down and tell him again the story. You believe him . Yes. So this is one more person pointing you to the backyard. Yes. But you had already looked there. Yes. Seemed very believable this information and corroborated what we suspected. Patrick agreed to cooperate with police. He drove an under cover Police Vehicle with a hidden microphone to michaels home and told him they needed to speak privately. He said the Police Contacted him about the disappearance of mike snyder and he didnt know what to do. They are really freaking me out. And i just wanted to come to you and what the [ bleep ] do i say or not say, you know . They are at my house for like two hours. So i just need to know from you what i should do. Tell them you dont know anything. I just dont want them to get to you. I know how to handle myself. Im just scared. Because they seem to like know a lot of things, too. Like what . They were saying something about hearing gunshots and they were also saying they might know what the weapon is. You saw that . No. What do you want me to tell them when they come next week, or if they want to give out your number and stuff like that. Should i give it to them . Yeah. Okay. Then came the big question. The one the police had coached patrick to ask. Is he still there . As far as i know. Under a big slab of concrete. It was now time for detective wilson to pay a visit to michael sheffield, ellen snyders son. Mike snyders stepson, and to begin to unravel an 8yearold mystery. Do you have a place we could sit down and talk . Coming up the interrogation begins. Michael, its time to come clean. Can they get at the truth after all these years . I can only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of a secret. When dateline continues. Yeah, im done after this meeting. Were just going over how people who switch to progressive can save hundreds. Hey mara yeah jamies the guy running it. Mara, youre not on mute. I once had to fake jury duty to get out of talking about his yogurt preferences. Mara, you know youre not on mute, right . Oh, theres a mute button . Yeah, thats flo the one who looks like shed smile while she sleeps. Flo i always smile. Mara thats why i said that. It was friday, january 29th, 2010, and it was business as usual in the Service Department at this albuquerque saab dealership located on the west side of town. That is until detective mark wilson and three of his colleagues from the Cold Case Team showed up. You wouldnt happen to have some place we can sit down and walk, would you . Thought id chat with you a bit. They were there to speak with 25yearold mechanic michael sheffield, ellen snyders son, mike snyders stepson. He didnt seem to be surprised that the Police Showed up at his work and he said, sure we have a break room we can talk in. So we went to the break room and conducted an interview there. At first, michael tells the same story that ellen has told since the day michael disappeared. He said as far as i know he ran off with a guy and left my mother and sister and i behind. Denied that he knew anything. So hes still telling the story hes been telling six, seven years. Yes. Repeatedly the detective tells michael its time for him to confess. How long did it take him to come off that story . After we told him that we had information that he knew where the body was, went a little further and told him we heard him talking about it, he came forward after we showed him that we had evidence. The detectives have broken him and the story came spilling out after eight years of lies. 2002, my cad said, when he woke to the sound of gunshots and he called 911. He must have hung up just in time because theres no record of a 911 call from the snyder home that day. A few days later in a second interview, Michael Told Police this. So, he says, he reluctantly helped his mother wrap mike snyders dead body in a waterproof tarp, place it in a hole in the backyard and put some construction waste on top of it. Whats going through your mind at this time . I dont want to get caught. I dont want to go to jail. What am i doing . And michael told detectives about the breakdown he had at mr. Snyders funeral. The one that the Snyder Family thought was so peculiar. I had the feeling that he was glad to finally get it off of his chest. He broke down somewhat. I can only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of secret. The detective showed michael photographs of the snyders property as it looked in 2002. And had michael circle where he believed his stepfathers body was buried. Did michael believe he was on the hook for his part in this . I think he probably knew that he was. He knew he was an accomplice in the case. A few miles away, michaels mom, ellen snyder was ending her work day. When i came out from work, his girlfriend came by. She was sitting in her car next to my car. She said you need to get in the car. She told ellen that michael had called. The police had shown up at his work and they knew the secret. So i called my mom and said i need to come over. She is like, are you okay and i said no. And with that ellens mother phoned an old acquaintance of hers, a defense attorney named penny adrian. Her mom calls me up and says, i think we have a problem. There was apparently something very wrong. Next morning ellen went to meet with adrien. By then the story was breaking. Albuquerque police have an active Crime Scene Investigation going on right now. Police tell us a confidential source told them the remains of snyder are buried under the garage of this home. She sat stiff in front of me. She said, have you heard about them digging for a body in the Northeast Heights . And i said, well, you couldnt not hear about it. It was on all of the television stations and all over the newspaper. And she said, well, my exhusband is buried there because i shot him. Dateline returns after the break. This is one. So is this. And so are these. But no matter the shape, Square Footage or who might live in them, they all represent something more. A sanctuary. A refuge. The feeling of home. Thats why were here. At lowes, we believe everyone deserves that feeling. To help make your home be everything you want it to be. Because home is what unites us. Its starting to people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. Thanks to dupixent, the addon treatment for specific types of moderatetosevere asthma. Dupixent isnt for sudden breathing problems. 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More than 95,000 people have died from covid19 in the united states. The u. S. Space mission was dedicated to First Responders and all those affected by covid19. Officials arent saying how long the spacecraft will remain in orbit or the purpose of the mission. Now back to dateline. North albuquerque acres is known for its large subdivisions in the foothills of the mountains. Not for crime scene vehicles and news helicopters flying overhead. But in february 2010, this was the scene in front of the home where ellen and mike snyder once lived. Out on the street, it was a zoo. Reporters were staked out for three days, while men with jackhammers began tearing up the garage floor. If you lived in albuquerque, you would have had to wear ear plugs not to hear about it. We just spoke to the police chief. He said the police are here looking for the remains of Michael Snyder. Beganic jim hertata, a friend of ellens, was at work when the news broke. So you believed he left her and was in phoenix . Yeah. Police began cutting through the concrete of what was now a sixcar garage. But the job of finding mike snyders remains proved difficult. The garage floor was a solid foot of steel reinforced concrete. Police will resume digging tomorrow. The excavation went on for two more case. Finally, on the third day, searchers uncovered a waterproof tarp. Inside were the remains of mike snyder. She had been saying mike was in phoenix and mike this and that and all along mike wasnt in phoenix. For mikes family the finality is devastating. To not know eight years and hold on to hope and have that pulled out from under you was very difficult for all of us. Ellen snyder sat in defense attorney penny adrians office knowing an arrest was imminent. They found the body and she wanted to get it over with. She said, we just cant go on like this. So adrian informed the police that ellen snyder was ready to turn herself in. That following friday, i met with the Police Detectives at her office, gave a full statement. Before we ask you questions, i want you to understand these are your miranda or constitutional rights, okay . She gave police a 2 1 2 hour confession and her version of events is quite a story. Woke me up. It was 2 00, 3 00 in the morning. We were arguing. Pushing back and forth and i told him, i know all about you and dave simmons. I know that you are gay. Ellen said she had recently grown more courageous in her dealings with mike, and on this night she confronted her husband over what she says was a secret gay affair. I am yelling at him and hes yelling at me and i said im going to tell everybody. Im going to tell everybody about you and hes telling me, you will never tell anybody about me. You are not going to tell anything. Theres nothing to tell. Hes denying it. Hes screaming at me. I have never seen him so angry. Ever. She says she ran to the bedroom and got the gun from the closet. The gun that her colleague frank had loaned her. I said i have a gun. Hes laughing at me. Telling me im a coward and im never going to tell anyone. So hes like taunting you. Hes taunting me. Saying you dont have the courage to shoot me . Calling me, you know, a [ bleep ] and telling me what a rotten person i am, screaming at me. In that moment of fear, ellen says, she pulled the trigger, not once, not twice, but repeatedly. I emptied the gun. I have never been so afraid in my life. He turned around and ran away from you. And you kept shooting. I did. He just turned, i ran and i kept shooting. How far did he get . Ten feet. Then what happened . Then the fell down. Elizabeth, mike and ellens 6yearold daughter was fast asleep in the bedroom. She didnt wake up. But ellens son michael 17 was in his bedroom and he did. He was calling 911. I told him to hang it up, michael. And he hung up. And he hung up and i sat down on the step waiting for the police to come. But the police never did show. I covered him up. I told michael to get ready for school. I told him i shot mike. You need to just go to school. How is michael doing at this point . I thought he was doing okay. Evidently michael was not okay. He skipped school that day, and he told his friend patrick about the horror he had gone through. Did you talk to him about this . Or from the first minute that this happened, did this sort of become the thing you are not talking about. Right. We never talked about it. Once you said to him, i shot mike, go to school. We didnt talk about it. Later with michael and elizabeth at school, ellen planned to move the body into the garage, but there was a problem. Trying to get him situated to where i could get him, a board under him to move him to the garage. And you couldnt do it alone . I couldnt do it alone. So you asked your son. So i asked my son. Yep. You asked michael to help you move the body . Yes. He didnt want to. I asked him please. And he said, okay. 17yearold michael reluctantly agreed. Were you aware that you were asking him to essentially help you commit a crime . I wasnt in the frame of mind to believe that as such. Yet, at the time, you were willing to do that instead of the other option which is call the cops and face the music. Yes. At that point i was just solving the problem. So the tears and regret that im seeing now, you werent feeling that then . No. Never cried. Because at the time ellen says she was on auto pilot and needed to dispose of the body. And how did she do that . In the want ads she found a guy with a backhoe who came out to the house and dug a hole. Did you tell the guy why you were doing this . He didnt ask. Ellen and her son michael wrapped snyders body in a tarp and put plastic bags on his hands. And in the dark of night they move him on to a dolly in to the hole. Is your son helping you or not . I asked him to help me throw some dirt on top of him. He said okay. They filled the hole with leftover construction waste so the body couldnt be seen. The next day, ellen went back to the paper. Found a different guy who had a bobcat and hired him to fill in the hole. You buried a body. I buried a body. And then she came up with her story. You got better at telling that story as time went on. Yeah, as time went on. It became a bigger and bigger story. It was the end of her 2 1 2 hour statement to police. And ellen snyder wanted to get one last thing on the record. Is there anything else you want to say before we turn off the recorder . I want to say im not a horrible killer. And with that, ellen snyder was charged with first degree murder and held on 1 million bail. Albuquerque Police Announce they have arrested the exwife of a albuquerque man who vanished eight years ago. An eight year old coverup was over, but another story line was just beginning. Did mike snyder have it coming . Was ellen guilty of anything . And what could be proven after so many years . Coming up a startling police discovery. It appeared to me that Michael Snyder was laying in his bed when he was shot. And something more startling still. She could walk away from this. She might have committed firstdegree murder and gotten away with it. When dateline continues. Om . Instead of using aloe, or baby wipes, or powders, try the cooling, soothing relief or preparation h, because your derriere deserves expert care. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. This virus is testing all of us. And its testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. So abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. And until this fight is over, we. Will. Never. Quit. Because they never quit. He thought he was going to kill you even though you had the gun . Yes. I did. I have never seen such anger, ever. I shot him because i was afraid. There are some things ellen snyder admits. She admits that she shot and killed her husband mike snyder in the earlymorning hours of january 11th, 2002. She admits that she buried his body and lied about his disappearance for years, but she does not admit to being guilty of murder. You dont think of yourself as a murderer . No, i dont. I was saving my own life. He came down that night to me or him. She said it was a case of survival. But ask detective wilson and he calls it Something Else. I believe this is an evil woman who planned this from the beginning. Maybe she did fear for her life. There are people who say they saw her with bruises. Sure. Its a possibility. Possibility there was a bruise. Or it could have been something she set up to look like that to go along with her story. Because it was closer to the time she was going to kill him. Even if it was an act of self defense that caused ellen snyder to shoot her husband, why hasnt she called police . Usually when abused women kill their abusers, they call the police and they are sitting there with the gun when the police drive up. Okay. They dont try to evade responsibility. They admit what they did and they say, i didnt have any choice. Pretty much as you are saying to me now. But they dont bury the body. And tell a series of pretty good lies over a long period of time. Thats pretty unusual. Okay. Which suggests, to some people, that theres more to the story than you are telling. They didnt live through what we lived through. They werent there that night. With ellen snyder now sitting in jail, detective wilson was trying to determine if the shooting happened the way that ellen now said it did because, after all, how believable was ellen . We tried to gather information six, seven years later, we dont have the actual crime scene. At that time, they would have seen blood streams from where he first got shot to where the body was laying, to where the bullet projectiles had stopped. Ellen claimed that mike woke her up yelling and they fought in the family room where mike slept. Im in the middle of the family room and hes about as as far as you and i facing me. What happened . He stepped forward and i start shooting. Using creative detective work, wilson had an idea. He remembered something that michael, ellens son had mentioned in his interview with police. Something about a stereo speaker. Apparently not all of the bullets hit him. One went through a speaker, like the bottom of a speaker. I still have that speaker. The detective went back to the house with michael. Asked him to show where the speaker was positioned on the floor and where it was in relation to where mike slept and detective wilson came to this hypothesis. It appeared to me that Michael Snyder was laying in his bed when he was shot. Not up and advancing on ellen to do her harm . Exactly. The office of the medical investigator reported the projectiles came up through the victims body from down, stomach area up into the shoulder area. Almost as if the person was lying flat and the shooter was standing at his feet . Yes. My estimation was that the body was on the mattress when he was being fired at. He may have gotten up and started running, if it didnt kill him right away. There was Something Else the detective uncovered that appeared a lot more sinister than a woman in fear for her life. It seemed ellen snyder had actually made a pretty penny off of mikes death. Dateline returns after the break. When i noticed my sister moving differently, she said it was like someone else was controlling her mouth. Her doctor said she has tardive dyskinesia, which may be related to important medication she takes for her depression. Td can affect different parts of the body. [narrator] in todays trying times, were here to help you manage td. Visit talkabouttd. Com for a doctor discussion guide to prep for your next appointment in person, over the phone, or online. We were so relieved to learn there are treatments for td. Just months after she shot her husband and filed for divorce, ellen was awarded the couples home and the cash in their joint account. Remember those tax returns that had been filed in mikes name after he disappeared . Turns out it was ellen who filed them in order to get a refund. She also cashed out mikes 60,000 401 k and continued to collect the disability checks mike had been getting because of his multiple sclerosis. You kept cashing those checks for a year . Those checks were deposited into my account, yes. Totalling how much money . 4 grand a month. It must have helped. It did. The argument could be made that you made money out of this. So are you implying that it was because of that that it occurred . Is that what you are implying . Im not implying it. Im saying you made money off of the death of your husband. I did not make substantial money out of the death of my husband, no. It was now the job of the prosecutor to put together a case for a jury to hear. Covering up the crime, i think would be our best evidence in terms of trying to convince a jury that her intent at the time of the killing was something along the lines of a premeditated murder. The prosecution found itself in an unusual predicament. Eight years had passed since the shooting and in that time the statute of limitations had run out on any charge other than firstdegree murder. That meant in order to get any conviction at all, prosecutors would have to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that ellen snyder planned mike snyders murder and with no crime scene and little in the way of forensics, that was going to be hard to prove. In her view, it was self defense, but maybe she was guilty of manslaughter, seconddegree murder. But you couldnt prosecute her for either of those offenses. Thats correct. The statute of limitations here in new mexico on a state case like this prohibited us from Going Forward on any of those lesser types of offenses. Ellen snyders defense attorney penny adrian knew a firstdegree murder conviction could mean a life sentence for ellen, but felt the prosecution would have a tough time making their case. The premeditation would be hard to prove, but even harder would be to prove that she did not act in self defense given all of the things that were going on with mike. Adrian says that after years of emotional and physical abuse. This guy was treating her horribly. Thats right and had been for a long, long time. And she couldnt leave him . No. No. And thats what the cycle of abuse is all about. Theres an isolation. Theres a dependency, theres a demeaning factor. And those things will all go together until the abuser has turned the abused into someone who thinks that he or she, because it happens both ways, is a worthless person. Would ellen snyder spend the rest of her life behind bars, or had she committed the perfect murder . Is it possible shes going to walk . Its certainly possible in this case . She could walk away from this . She might have committed firstdegree murder and gotten away with it. Dateline returns after the break. Mike snyders side of the family had spent many years waiting. They had waited for mike to call after he disappeared. He never did. They waited for the police to call when investigators first said they would look for him. That didnt happen either rmt and finally, years later, with ellen snyder sitting in jail, facing a murder charge for killing mike, they waited for justice. Mikes sister, teri. How could you look at us, the fami family, in the face and tell us you had no idea where mike is at, or you just spoke to mike and mike is doing just fine . Thus giving all of you hope . Thus giving us all hope. Its beyond me how any one person can do that. Its unimaginable. Finally, ellen snyder would pay the price for the murder of mike snyder, and the coverup that followed. At least thats what mikes side of the family fully expected. But there was that problem with the statute of limitations expired on anything less than first degree murder, there was the chance that ellen snyder could be found not guilty. Mikes family was willing to risk that. We felt that that strongly that it was premeditated. It was a gamble we were willing to take. When it comes to murder, the prosecutor isnt willing to gamble. Maybe she gets convicted of firstdegree murder and maybe thats what he did all along and that would have been justice but with all or nothing when you try to convince beyond a reasonable doubt 12 jurors. You didnt want to roll the dice . Thats a huge risk to roll the dice and not have somebody held accountable at all for the death of another human being. It was a risk for ellen, too. She knew going to trial could mean a possible life sentence. One month before the case was set for trial, prosecutors offered ellen a plea deal, which she accepted. Ultimately ellen snyder agreed to waive the statute of limitations restriction and plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter. Admitting she shot her husband and she pled guilty to tampering with evidence for the burying and concealment of mikes body. And to one count of tax fraud for filing mikes tax returns after his death. In all, the maximum sentence possible was not life in prison, but just 11 years. Mikes side of the family was devastated. Whether shes sentenced to four, five, six, seven eight years, 11 years, shes still getting away with it in your view . Shes definitely getting away with murder. Nothing is going to be long enough for us. In july of 2011, family and friends of both ellen and mike gathered in the County District courthouse for ellens sentencing. Ellens son michael was there in support of his mom, just as he had been on the day she shot her husband. Michael was a minor when the killing happened. So in exchange for his cooperation he was given immunity and faced no charges. As we sit here you are about to go in to that courtroom and a judge is going to pronounce sentence. Yep. Are you ready for whats coming . How do you say you are ready for that . I know that it has to happen. I know it has to happen for this to be over. So i dont know that i can say yes, im ready, but its going to happen. We have what is eight years. The prosecution asks the judge to give ellen snyder the maximum sentence of 11 years. She had been looking at a total of 339 years. Ellens defense attorney asked the judge for leniency. She does ask, your honor, that the Court Sentence her to five years in prison, which will allow her to at least be at her Daughters College graduation. The judge addressed ellen directly focusing on the construction waste she had buried on top of her husbands body. It was reported that you unceremoniously threw trash in the same hole that mr. Snyder had been placed. With that ellen was given the maximum sentence of 11 years behind bars. Miss snyder, hopefully once you are released you can get things together and go forward in life. And she hopes to. When we spoke with ellen shortly after her sentencing, she said she worried most about her children. For them, 16yearold daughter elizabeth was a high school junior. She was only 6 when her fathers the appeared from her life. You told her you had been lying to her all those years . I did. What did she say . She was most concerned about losing her mom. She has been to see me every week. Shes such a remarkable young woman. She loves me. But ellen says the greatest regret of her life was putting her son, michael, in the middle of a coverup. You said you always looked out for him and he always looked out for you. I didnt do such a great job. You didnt . Hes such a remarkable young man. I know you wish you had shielded him from that. Yep. I get the feeling you have way more regret about that than about what happened. Absolutely. The shooting happened for a reason. The shooting happened. There was too much to give michael. No one but ellen snyder will ever know exact think what happened inside the walls of that dream home in the Early Morning hours of january 2002. That will forever remain a mystery. But one thing is clear, ellen snyder is something of an expert on how to live a life of secrets and lies. One thing we know about you, for sure, is that youre pretty good at telling a lie. Okay. And the truth is, if you hadnt fired the wrong person, i think you would still be telling that lie today. Youre right. I cant dispute that. You have some sense of regret now . Absolutely. Im sorry that it ever happened. Im sorry for mike. Im sorry for my family. Im sorry for his family. This sunday, the president and the pushback. On a vaccine. 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