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Explored. Its a very serious allegation. Accusations about kavanaugh. Hes evil and he hates women, hates children, little warm puppies. Senator feinsteins had the letter since july for three months. She said nothing. Congress has hit rock bottom and started to dig. Welcome back to kasie d c. Starting the hour to talk about all of this, chief washington reporter for the boston herald, kimberley atkins, Jonathan Swan, maria cumar, and joining us in new york emily jane fox, a Senior Reporter at vanity fair. Theyre all msnbc contributors. Lets just start. The future of Brett Kavanaugh as a Supreme Court justice, we thought it was going to be on a glide path. But it appears to be in jeopardy because the woman accusing him of Sexual Assault has now come forward. And in one case it has a republican senator saying that the confirmation should be put on pause, and thats a key republican senator jeff flake who sits on the committee. He could make that difference. Christine ford tells the Washington Post that she wrote the confidential letter to senator Diane Feinstein alleging kavanaugh assaulted her more than three decades ago when they were in high school. The post reports that since wednesday shes watched, drawing a blanket denial from kavanaugh, a roiling nomination that just days ago seemed all but certain to succeed. Now ford has decided that if her story is going to be told, she wants to be the one to tell it. That story involves allegations that a teenage Brett Kavanaugh, pinned her to a bed, groped her and attempted to take her clothes off. Ford alleges when she tried to scream, kavanaugh put his hand over her mouth to the point she thought, quote, he might inadvertently kill her. Hes unequivocally denied the a allegations. But a growing number of senators are calling for that vote to be delayed. And republican senator jeff flake told multiple outlets today hes not comfortable moving forward with the vote until he hears more from kavanaughs accuser. Susan collins of maine had this to say today. Well, i obviously was very surprised, and its an issue that i brought up with him last friday, and he denied as he did in his written statement. Thats really all i have to say at this point. So Susan Collins there acknowledging she did have this conversation about judge kavanaugh. But Jonathan Swan, what are the options here if you drew the republicans in congress and the demand is, and jeff flake really can hold this up because hes on the committee. They called her to testify, do they call for the fbi to investigate, and theyre going to have to keep it on a tight time line if they actually want to push forward as they say they do. I just spoke to a source close to process, and they are of the view that chuck grassly, the Senate Judiciary should call to expedite this and get it to a vote. That more just reflects to you how they havent really budged. Like the operation thats around this in the white house and around the white house, they are forging ahead, and they dont want to take a backward step. And frankly, that response from Susan Collins would not fill you with confidence if you were pushing the kavanaugh confirmation. Maria. I think the challenge is before this weekend we did not have a name. Now we have a name and someone coming forward and saying very explicitly she wants to be part of this conversation. And the republicans are in a really difficult spot, because if they dont take the totality where we are right now in the me too movement and you look back on how anita hill was treated, republicans, it seems they were pushing this through regardless of story and then i think its going to hurt them in the midterms. And not just how anita hill was treated. Remember both senators collin and murkowski, for example, called for al franken to resign when he was accused of Sexual Harassment. Senator collins saying the person who was making this accusation was credible. You now have someone coming forward and she took a lie detector test, records she got from therapy years ago, things that bolster her credibility. And shes working with a lawyer and debracats whos very experienced. The number of democrats calling to delay kavanaughs confirmation vote is mounting in the wake of that the Washington Post report. Senator feinstein was the first and the rest you see here were already planning to vote against kavanaugh. But doug jones tweeted that quote, this was a very brave step to come forward, it is more important than ever to hit the pause button on kavanaughs confirmation vote until we can fully investigate these serious and disturbing allegations. But he also added, quote, if miss ford was to provide information to the committee i would gladly listen to what she has to say and compare that against all other information we have received about judge kavanaugh. So we have flake saying hes not ready to vote yes that effectively could kill this thursday vote in the committee if they dont satisfy him. We have Lindsey Graham kicking the door open to say i want to hear more information from this woman. So if question is if you are christy ford, do you testify . She wasnt initially willing. She thought maybe she could pass on this information and stay silent. But after her identity got out anyway, she said im going to control the narrative. I cant imagine she would speak publicly to the Washington Post and not do the same to lawmakers and tell her story going forward. Thats a big step, though, going the media circus going to the hill, the cameras, i mean that is an order of magnitude difference, right, than talking to a newspaper. I think youd know that would be the next step thats coming. We saw anita hill and others coming before her. I think given the stakes of this, it would be very difficult for her just to issue a statement, just to speak to a newspaper and leave it at that. I think by saying she took a polygraph test under scrutiny to come forward, i think shes setting up her place to be seen as something thats very, very credible. All of this draws comparison to, which of course something that happened 26 years ago. On october 7, 1991 law professor anita hill came forward had her claims against then Supreme Court nominee clarence thomas. Claiming hed harassed her years before in the 1980s. Shed previously expressed she didnt want to be named. But when reporters began investigating hill like ford wanted to tell her own story of what happened. I took no initiative to inform anyone, but when i was asked by a representative of this committee to report my experience i felt that i had to tell the truth. I could not keep silent. Democrats, of course said voting on kavanaughs confirmation should be delay after the story broke. And republicans accused hill of what they called an 11th hour attack excuse me, thomas, not kavanaugh. Hill did testify exactly eight days, and thomas was confirmed to the Supreme Court 5248. Emily jane fox, i want to get into the dynamics how that played out on capitol hill in a second. But someone who follows the trump family pretty closely and knows the kind of play book hat the president would run against potentially Something Like this, as we were talking about, you know, taking the step to testify to go in front of those cameras, to open yourself up to that level of public scrutiny, it takes a lots. And the president is likely we dont know this, were working on reporting out exactly what their response to going to be. But its likely based on what weve seen before there would be an all out assault on her character. We saw that happen with Stormy Daniels recently, and then candidate trump was saying for women who came forward with their stories of Sexual Harassment and assault, stories that over the years he was saying they couldnt have happened because of the way that the women looked. So if his past behavior is any indication of future behavior and often with him it is, it is almost sure that he would weigh in on Something Like this. Though, it is different because it is not his own behavior. But he weighed in with roy moore at the end of last year. So i think it is almost certain the president will weigh in. What i have been trying to figure out in my reporting and i have not received any response yet, is what the trump women might say. I mean we have ivanka trump who is in the white house who is there solely to be an advocate for women and children and for families. And i have reached out for a comment to multiple people in the white house to see if she would Say Something. He did Say Something in the Roy Moore Election and i have not heard back in. Sometimes the first lady is the only person in the white house who will come out with her own independent statement or opinion in a time like this that will go against her husband. And so im curious if either of them will have something to say. Interesting thing to watch. And im watching Jonathan Swan as well. If you look back to the anita hill example, there was a lot of pressure, joe biden was among them, a critical player there. In this case you have jeff flake, but when we get to the bigger question the two key players and Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. I mean, we always do focus on Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski because they are genuine swing votes. But, you know, flake popped up out of nowhere. I wouldnt be surprised if you see, you know, what does bob corker say about this, someone who doesnt have their political fate tied to this president . But kasie, i really want to talk about the fact this woman has come forward and everything shes sacrificing and the sabotaging of her career as a result. Its interesting to see in this day and time if shes able to come forward with that penalty. Anita hill really had to navigate and basically sabotage her own career and come forward with what is considered truthful evidence. Senator king, great to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks, kasie. Glad to be with you. Lets start with the breaking news this afternoon. Christine ford coming forward, putting her name to this allegation. All of your colleagues with the exception of Diane Feinstein on the committee didnt get a chance to actually see this letter until wednesday night last week. What is your view of what the committee should do, how they should handle it and how senator feinstein handled this . Well, i think its important to meng ation and youve alludeo it, but the committee is 11 to 10. So if one republican member of the Committee Says im not ready to take this vote, which is scheduled for thursday, that will by itself slow it down. And i think the second question to be asked, and its sort of looming behind all this discussion is whats the rush . The seat that merit garland should have been considered for was held open by these same people for 14 months. And in fact some of them said if a democrat gets elected president well hold the seat open for four years. Soicidely theres this arbitrary deadline for the end of september, which frankly doesnt relate to anything in particular. So why not slow down . I came out against the kavanaugh nomination earlier this week having nothing to do with these allegations. I knew nothing about it. Based in part upon a lack of a documents that have been presented on his record when he was at the Bush White House, plus some real concerns about his views on policy. So i think i like the word i think jeff flake mentioned it, said lets pause it. Because there isnt any rush. Theres no deadline here that would forestall a full investigation. Both his record at the Bush White House and also this latest allegation which appears at least very serious and ought to be resolved. You note that its very serious. What are your views should be the standard for how Something Like this should be handled . Lets try to put the partisan politics aside, say this was a democratic president who picked a nominee, this the something that could up on either side of the aisle. Sexual misbehavior doesnt know any partisan bounds. Do you think she needs to testify, for example, your colleagues have called for an fbi investigation but so far have not called for public testimony from her. Well, i think at some point if this really is in the court of the commity they are the ones that are going to have to make the decision on this nomination initially before it comes to the floor of the senate. So i believe at some point shes going to have to talk to the committee. Perhaps the first step would be an fbi investigation, which could fill out some of the details, and be an important part of informing the committees inquiry. But i think ultimately shes going to have to come forward. And of course this was an enormous decision for her. Its going to change her life forever. But she has decided, professor ford has decided to come forward, and i think the committee is going to have to look at tis. This isnt a minor allegation. This is a serious allegation even though it took place some time ago. And theres a second issue, which is judge kavanaugh has categorically and unequivocally denied anything happened. And if and this is all speculation. But if theres verification in some way this did happen, then there are questions of his credibility that arise, which is a separate issue unto itself. Lets switch gears because naturally in this environment we never have one major news story at a time. We also have Paul Manafort who has now agreed to cooperate with Robert Mueller. You are someone whos gotten an inside view of this investigation in the Senate Intelligence committee through your role there. And im curious to know what you think the special prosecutor is opening up there. I mean, what is your line of questioning for paul man inter, and what do you think he can illuminate that other witnesses that so far have agreed to cooperate with the special counsel simply couldnt . Well, first, i think its important to distinguish between the Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation and the Mueller Investigation. The Mueller Investigation is looking for violations of law. Its a prosecution. Theyre looking for were there legal violations involved in the campaign or others that are uncovered in the course of the investigation. Were really focused on what happened and what are the facts of what happened and particularly how we prevent it happening in the future. I think and ironically were now at the part of our committees work focusing on was there a relationship between the Trump Campaign and the russians. And clearly Paul Manafort has potentially significant information because he was in the middle of the campaign during the summer of 2016 and was at that famous meeting at trump tower. So his testimony i think is going to pea important. I certainly hope that were going to be able to get him before our committee. Now, its a complicated relationship between our committee and mueller. We dont want to provide immunity, for example, which then would somehow impair their investigation. But this guilty plea may well open up mr. Manafort to testimony where he wont be able to resist or plead the fifth amendment in order to talk to our committee. Those are the kind of things i know our chair richard burr and mark warner, vice chair are going to be talking to mueller about and i suspect talking to Paul Manaforts lawyers. While i have im actually interested in a general status update on the intelligence committees investigation. Because this has dragged on much longer than people thought that it might. Is there a new target when kind of a definitive report from your committee might actually emerge . Well, i have to point out that weve been doing this in phases, and the first phase was did the russians were the russians involved in the 2016 president ial election . Did they try to assist the trump President Trump to be elected. The answer to that is yes. Weve determined that. I think its safe to say. Secondly, were the russians trying to interfere with state election systems around the country . The answer to that was yes. Did how the Obama Administration reacted to this was the third piece that weve looked at. And were now wrapping up the involvement of the russians and others in social media disinformation campaigns in 2016. Theres no doubt that the russians were doing that in a big way and that theyre still doing it trying to sew dissension and distress in our country. As i say ironically at the manafort guilty plea were not entering the phase of our investigation, which is was there some cooperation or the word of course is collusion between the Trump Campaign you should have said the most interesting phase of your investigation. I wish i could give you a specific date. I dont think it will be in the next month or so. This is very complex matter. Weve got a sizable staff working full time on this. The committee has devoted an enormous amount of time. Public hearings, closed hearings. Were doing our best. But id rather get it right than get it fast, kasie. Senator angus king, thanks very much for being on tonight. Nice to see you. And Jonathan Swan, thanks so much to you as well. Very much appreciate it. Were going to talk more about Paul Manafort in just a moment. Plus dig into emily jane foxs reporting on conversations. Kasie d. C. Back after this. Gathered here are the worlds finest insurance experts. 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Stay connected while you move with the best wifi experience and twohour appointment windows. Click, call or visit a store today. I want to take a look back to nearly a year ago and a phrase that got aa lot of attention at the time because of just how strong of a visual it was. But it also now seems preachant after rick gates and paul manpert were indicted at the end of october, a source close to quote, the president says, quote, this is all just an annoyance, i did nothing. Hes somewhat arrogant about it but this investigation is a classic cam beano style rollp. You vus to the anticipate this rollup will reach everyone in this administration. Can you sort of fill in why that imagery would make sense to the trump family, to President Trump . Its a very distinct type of approach, and something that those of not from new york maybe are a little less familiar. So what we see going on here is anyone whos close to the president , whos worked with the president both on private business and on the campaign, investigators are one by one ticking them off, having them either plead guilty or cooperate in some way, shape or form with the end goal potentially being figuring out what the president did wrong. So weve seen that now with rick gates. We saw that with paul man trt. We saw that when Michael Cohen, his long time personal attorney and somewhat of a fixer pleaded guilty to eight counts in new york last week. We know at least at least in weeks to come that investigators may or may not be looking at what don junior has been involved in, Jared Kushner has been involved in. Theyre not just looking at these people for the fun of it but because they want to know what the president knew as well. This is not a tactic that you use because you want to just take down lower level people in the Campaign Like jogeorge papadopoulos. This is tactic you want to use when you get to the very top of the chain of command. And its not manpert offense work with foreign governments was a secret. On the eve of the National Republican convention two years ago, quote, manaforts problem after all those years on the lam with thugs and autocrats is that he cant recognize principle and integrity. Hes brought great professionalism direct from kiev to trump world. And you may remember Paul Manaforts time as chairman. So to be clear, mr. Trump has no Financial Relationships with any russian oligarchs . Thats what he said. Thats what i said. Thats obviously what the position is. Well, thats deeply uncomfortable. Thats what he says. The best people, right, they say its like hes dismissing Paul Manafort not that big of a deal, yet he came in to save and run. He did have those relationships with autocrats because he basically helped prop up the ukrainian president that was backed by the russians. It wasnt a surprise when all of a sudden he land there in washington handling Donald Trumps campaign. If you recall theres actually a tape of the gop leadership laughing, saying, wait a second maybe trump does have a relationship with russians. Just maybe. And this is during the campaign trail, if you recall. And i also remember, kimberley, working with Paul Manafort. Working with him, during interviews with him. And the fancy clothes and shoes and jackets, if you were not going to notice these things were going on with Paul Manafort you were willfully ignoring them. Right. They were really clear. And the problem is the white house has been consistently pushing this narrative saying this has to do with things long before he started the campaign and has nothing to do with this. If you knew he had deep ties to russian and you bring him in to run your campaign, to be the chairman, that brings up a lot of questions. And b, he was also the chairman of the campaign. He knows a lot of othings. The things he may be charged with may not have to do with the campaign, but if he is cooperating with mueller everything is on the table and everything can come up. So that narrative just doesnt work. He was in the room where it happened, so oo to speak. Reports surfaced that Michael Cohen is also talking to and perhaps cooperating with Robert Mueller. Sources confirmed vanity fair, its quote common knowledge. Emily jane fox, you speak regularly with Michael Cohen or at least have spoken regularly with him. Whats your reporting on the status of these conversations, and is it something where, you know i cant figure out yum watching kind of their public moves, are they desperately trying to get Robert Mueller to reach out and offer them a plea deal . Does he have information that they really want . Where does your reporting stand on this . As i reported last week its really unclear what the status of these are. Its unclur if its to reach a cooperation agreement, if hes to be before a grand jury. Its hard to state just how much Michael Cohen has been blinking that im open for business sign since about july. The president and Michael Cohen were engaged in somewhat over a fight over legal fees when it came to his case in the Southern District in new york. And that was really the period of time where cohen decided, look, im done trying to protect this guy. This guy has done absolutely nothing to try and protect me. Hes not even trying to, you know, protect me and bring me on his to his side by just paying whatever my legal fees are. And at that point he said my loyalty is to my family. Im not going to bankrupt myself. Im hopefully going to spend as little time in jail as i possibly can. And thats when you really saw him turn on the public, im ready to talk both in the Southern District and special counsels office. Now, it is unclear whether or not he has information that will in fact lessen his prison sentence either in the Southern District or with Robert Muellers team. But thats certainly what hes after here in trying to share whatever it is he does know. Thank you so much for your excellent reporting tonight. When we come back, the latest from hurricane florence. Kasie dc back after this. Insurance that wont replace the full value of your new car . Youd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. Im gonna regret that. With Liberty Mutual new car replacement well replace the full value of your car. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty tremfya® is fors caadults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Im ready. With tremfya®, you can get clearer. And stay clearer. In fact, most patients who saw 90 clearer skin at 28 weeks stayed clearer through 48 weeks. Tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin, and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®. 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Parts of i95, one of the countrys busiest highways have been closed because they are submerged with water. And there are fears a levy at a nearby river could soon breach. Earlier today North Carolina governor roy cooper joined state and coast guard officials to survey the immense damage caused by florence. I will say this to the people of North Carolina, eventually the skies will clear and the flood waters will recede. And when they do, were ready to take on the challenge of rebuilding our communities. And joining me now from charlotte is former North Carolina governor pat mcquiry. Thanks for being on the show tonight. This obviously a state you have given so much of your life to serve. What does the damage look like on the ground, and what would you say to residents about whether its going to get worse before it gets better . In some areas its going to get worse. In areas you have water issues of life and death. Over 28 people two years ago to next month died due to drowning in their cars. And because we have so many of road wash outs right now the big danger is people will drive through the barricades or the roads will actually collapse. Thats a major issue from ashville all the way down to wilmington all the way down to new bern. The area is just an unbelievable challenge involving infrastructure, roads and water. And then weve got an environmental issue. Youve got Environmental Concerns with hog waste potential coming into the water, sewage overflows. And this is very, very dangerous water. And youve also got the Farming Community issues regarding economic loss. And a lot of businesses may be going under water between now and tuesday as certain rivers peak, which we have not yet seen, especially the Cape Fear River around wilmington. All that water thats been going from wilmington all the way to mountains now has been dropping, and itll all be going back down to the coast making the rivers again overrun their banks and running people out of their homes, apartments and trailers. And the saddest thing about all of this is its often the poorest of the poor that are impacted the most because they had nowhere to go. And so a lot of them are going to be in shelters. This is the hard work now. We still have rescues to do, and i commend everyone working on this, but the recovery will be a very difficult long, drawn out period. And people will start getting impatient as they get through the shock of what just happened to them. You were the governor when matthew hit back in 2016. What kind of resources did you have to bring to bear for that recovery as you mentioned . And has the state ever been by anything like florence . I would say florence is very similar to matthew, but a little bit stronger and a little bit more water. So kind of similar trends in some of the same areas are being flooded m flooded. Im especially concerned about the pembroke area and you have a lot of People Living on trailers in low land which has been flooded. Even their schools have been flooded which we saw in Hurricane Matthew. In fact, they havent recovered from Hurricane Matthew yet, and here you see these small towns getting inundated again with water and people being pushed out of their homes. And i guarantee you tonight theres still search and rescue. And some of the resources, thank god, are the coast guard, the military using their helicopters and police and highway patrol. Everyones coming together to help, and im very impressed with the team right here in North Carolina working together with fema. You have, though, been critical of your successor roy cooper saying that there was a quote, lack of action. What do you mean by that . What do you think this governor should be doing differently . I think theres been a lack of action regarding Hurricane Matthew. And yet we havent recovered from 150 to i think 102 million from the federal government. Almost not a dime has been spent on housing for those in lummerten and fair bluff and fairmont, and im not so critical of this. In fact, ill do everything i can to support the Current Governor and the current administration, the state and local officials. In fact, i tomorrow i hope to get the five former governors together to help raise money for the poorest of the poor that are really being impacted by this tremendously powerful hurricane. And again i wish wed go back to rating hurricanes not by wind but also by water because it really confuses the citizens by lowering the rating of hurricanes when the most deadly part of a hurricane is actually the water, not necessarily the wind. But right now we have a lot of trees fallen on houses, including right here in charlotte where im at. My own brothers tree was hit by a house the house was hit by a tree late last night. A neighbor of mines house was hit by an oak tree. And sadly we heard about a story in esan antonio of a baby 1yearold whos house was hit by a tree. And of course thats knocking out electricity and blocking roads. There could be a shortage of gas in wilmington, so theres a different issue in every part of the state that the president , the governor and all local officials are going to have to deal with not just this week but in coming months and even coming years. We take note of your kind words about that response and the plan moving formered. And our thoughts with your brother and with that family. Thank god hes safe, and my prayers are with all the Emergency Rescue workers. Theyre out their risking their life right now and all these nonprofits helping people in shellers. We thank god for them. 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The most profound of these is that the uneven nature of the recovery compounded a longterm imbalance in the accumulation of wealth. As a consequence, what it means to be secure has changed. Wealth, real wealth now comes from investment portfolios, not salaries. Fortunes are made through an initial public offering, a buyout or another form of what High Net Worth individuals call a liquidity event. The financial crisis didnt just kill the dream of getting rich from your day job. It also put an end to the fundamental belief of the middle class that owning a home was always a good idea because prices moved only in one direction up. And maria theresa, i feel like we dont talk about this enough. And that the you know the underlying realities of not just the crisis, but also how we decided to fix the crisis, really under, underpine all of our political, all the stressors in our political system today. People feeling on both the right and the left so disconnected from the way people who are already in power make decisions. Think if we were to pinpoint one of the reasons why we have a populist movement, you could point to 2008 when we decided we were not only going to bail out the banks, but we were not going to redistribute the wealth to the middle class that was already suffering. Whenning you talk about a shared economy, when you talk about not wanting to buy a house, but theyre okay with not buying a car, instead focusing on airbnbs and ubers, theyve decided that maybe that middle clas is so out of reach. Theyre not going to invest in the initial offerings of maybe buying the first car or the first home. For many people, kind of system, there really doesnt seem like theres any way out and playing by the rules doesnt work out for you. It doesnt. If you look at whats happening here in washington, about whether this could happen again, what has happened since then . Weve seen doddfrank rolled back. Weve seen the cfpb have its fangs taken out. These were the institutions that were put in place after this crash. To protect that from happening again. To allow americans to have a way to bet back to at least where they were before this. And those watchdogs are no longer there. Think thats adding fuel to this idea that for some people this sort of financial dream is out of reach. And that continues. And for the 2016 election, we like to focus on this idea that it was about race. I actually when you take this i believe it was deeply around a generational divide where the majority of white women voted for trump. But the average age of a white woman was 45 years old. If the only thing that the progressives were talking about was choice, not talking about the fact that they were trying to retool. They lost their safety net. 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And the political reability that midterms are seven and a half weeks away. They cannot be seen as looking like they are trying to as you said, railroad someone. They have to let her be heard. It will be difficult and interesting week on capitol hill this week. That does it for us, tonight here on kasie d. C. Well be back with you next week from 7 00 p. M. To 9 00 p. M. Our reminder that the meet the press Film Festival is happening october 7 and 8 in washington. Tickets are available now. I will be there, so should you. Coming up next, msnbcs headliners takes an indepth look at Michael Cohen. How does he transition from President Trumps leading defender to a major liability. Good night from washington. Michael cohen pled guilty on the eight counts today. Michael cohen was the president s fixer. If anybody else was in his mind going after his boss, he was going to fight back. And the keeper of his secrets. Of all the individuals in trumps orbit that knew where the bodies were buried, if you will. Michael cohen was at the top of the list. He swore he would do anything to protect the president. He told me woe take a bullet for the president. But an fbi raid changed everything. I heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys