Campus that has left many parents scrambling to figure out what to do with their kids if they cannot physically go back to school the president s interview with Chris Wallace was testy at times, especially when he was being fact checked his messaging has been consistent the pandemic is ending and america is just putting out a few burning embers burning embers. This is a forrest fire i say flames. Well put out the flames and well put out in some cases just burning embers we have burning embergs. We have embers and we do have flames florida became more name like but its going to be under control. We are the envy of the world they call and say the most incredible job anybodys done is our job on testing cases are up 1994 . It isnt just that testing has gone up. Its that the virus has spread the Positivity Rate has up creased. Many of those cases many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. I think we have thats not true, sir. Bile right eventually ive been right probably more than anybody else. The president was wrong about the mortality rate among other things according to Johns Hopkins when its comes to the percentage of infected patients wh former dirr of Health Policy in the Obama White House and an msnbc medical contributor. Glad to have you with us dr. Patel let me start with you. Oh, the many things we could discuss the from this interview as relates to coronavirus. Dr. Anthony fauchi has been refused to as an alarmist by the president , and so referred in this interview joshua, i think the top line thing to say is it was a complete Marketing Campaign of misinformation all the way from just kind of counter factual statements that were absolutely not correct and not validated by any numbers that anybody has seen but also just this continuous kind of seemingly inabout to face the problem or even admit that there is a problem and then try to help the country move forward so instead of acknowledging that yes, as he describes it, these hot spots, embers, flails, but heres our response and how were addressing this or how were supporting those plays in meeting the needs of their people all of that was lost i think the american people, certainly the Health Care Professionals working very hard in those states are looking for that guidance. So what was noticeable is everything that is missing to help deal with this pandemic shannon, President Trump is pushing for School Campuses to reopen this fall regardless of the state of the virus today repeated a threat that has meant to force them to open. Watch. Theres going to be a funding problem because were not going to fund when they dont open their schools, were not going to fund them were not giving them money if they dont open. The president also threatened to veto a new stimulus bill if it doesnt contain a parallel tax cut. The number of republican lawmakers say they do not support that do you get the sense that these are serious threats from the president . Well, theres when it comes to appropriation of money, there is only so much control the president has over that, and even if the president decides to veto or if he does veto a bill, of course, congress can override that veto and of Course Congress is one who can control whether money is actually put in this next stimulus bill to help schools, so rather than tut cutting funding, what about money to actually help them buy p. P. E. And supplies and thermometers and whatever else theyre going to need in the fall opening schools is obviously this priority for this president. But hes not really engaged on that many more issues. The schools is something that we hear him talk about over and over and of again. Hes not, though, talking about testing. Testing return times, quicker. More widespread testing. I have think a lot of this has to do with the fact that hes just not engaged behind the scenes he is briefed daily on what is going on but he is not the one calling governors. Thats the vice president. Hes not the one travel to the state, thats the vice president. Its unclear when the last Task Force Briefing he went to was, so other than things like saying schools need to open, theres not really that much the president is involved in, even behind the scenes that the point based on my reporting. Basil, here is what the president said when asked about Law Enforcement and specifically the disproportionate number of africanamericans who are killed by police. Watch. This is going on for decades. This is going on the for a long time, long before i got here he also noted that a number of white men get killed by the police, too. That more white men get killed than black men that is technically correct but americans are more likely to die than whites do im not surprised by this answer considering how the president has spoken of Law Enforcement up to now so maybe im numb to it. This doesnt really shock me, but am i missing something no, youre not missing anything actually look i remember there was a time a year ago that the president got an award for his involvement in criminal Justice Reform and i remember it thinking how horribly cynical that was, you know, this is a president who as was said earlier doesnt really understand policy, doesnt get into the minutia of policy and, quite frankly, he will make one Statement Today and tomorrow Say Something completely different and then we have a situation where hes speaking out of both sides of his mouth, praising on the one hand praising of folks who are taking a stand, if you will, against these for black lives matter, but perhaps on another occasion shortly thereafter talk about using the military on our own people in the streets to push back these protesters so theres a twofacedness about this president that i think is incredibly evident, certainly to the key constituencies Older Americans who have been affected and suburban americans who are not only concerned about his governance style but i would imagine many of those families and many of those children were out protesting with black lives matter protests, on the criminal justified reform and they feel some kind of way about the fact that this president has threatened them with use of the military i think if you put those into perspective, nothing surprises me about this president anymore. Whatever he says today, the narrative will change tomorrow beth, the president also not surprisingly had a fair amount o to say about joe biden watch. Joe doesnt know hes alive ok he doesnt know hes alive he will destroy this company but it wont be him. It will be the radical left. Behind Campaign Representative dunn the only new development here is the increasing he deranged level of desperation they are showing in selling another ridiculous theory. Calling your opponent crazy is not unheard of in president ial campaigns but the president was also upt over new polling showing joe biden filling until key gaps today the Washington Post abc news poll came out showing a huge gap home run gap. Joe biden leading by 15 points nationally that is that is one of many high quality polls showing that joe biden is ahead, hes pulling away heres why the coronavirus numbers keep going up and up and up, the president s approval goes down, down, down, down the two are intertwined at this point. Make the campaign be about him but at this point thats kind of impossible the only thing that people want to know in this country is what President Trump is going to do to stem the spread of this torrential virus and until and unless he can step forward and she national strategy, show leadership, deal with peoples concerns, deal with peoples concerns about sending their kids back to school and how to do that safely people arent going to will to his claims about joe biden not knowing he was alive not in this race much more for us to discuss with the panel as the hour goes on but dr. Patel, appreciate you joining us for the beginning of our hour thanks very much coming up well talk about the protests in portland city and state leaders are demanding accountability for what Law Enforcement officers have done. Who are these officers and does the law let them do what theyre doing . That ines xt this selenite grey is so pretty isnt it . Wow. Jim could you pop the hood for us . There she is. 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A disturbingly violent crackdown continues in the streets of world, oregon, one that may lend credence to the case for Law Enforcement reform. Federal officers from a number of agencies have used chemical agencies and plastic bullets some have been dragged away in unmarked vehicles. These federal officers sent as his direction are aimed to help portland he refused to the protesters as anarchist. The president made the same argument in his fox news interview. You look at whats gone on in portland, those are anarchists if we didnt take a stand in portland weve arrested in of these leaders. If we didnt take that stand right now you would have had a problem like theyre going to lose portland. This morning portlands player pleaded for the violence to end and for the officers to leave. Take these people out of our city they are not helping us. They are hurting us. They are escalating an already dangerous situation. Our pam is back, shannon, beth and because il. Also with us, paul butler. Professor butler let me start with you what these federal officers are doing is clearly controversial to say the least, shocking for sure. Is it legal . Its not legal. President trump earlier tweeted that he wanted the police to dominate protesters and what were seeing now is his administration sending paramilitary troops to u. S. Citizens u. S. Cities to control u. S. Citizens. In portland theyre dressed in camouflage Type Military outfits. One of the many problems is thats also how some of the far right counterprotesters are dressed. And so if youre a peaceful protester and you get pulled into a car an unmarked vehicle by people who dont have badges, they dont say who they are, you dont know whether its the police or random kidnapper or some of these countermilitary protesters the concern is these federal officers are unaccountable if its local officers they have to follow the rules of the state. Like they cant use tear gas unless its a riot they cant use impact munitions unless its a riot and yet these unnamed officers, ununiformed are arresting people, theyre firing rubber bullets into crowds its unconstitutional and its also counterproductive the protests are actually dwindling down now with this flagrant violation of rights there are thousands up rising krael saying that this is not american this has turned into a power struggle there are investigations under way. We talked to organizes attorney general who is suing the department of Homeland Security over what they call unlawful deat the same time how is the white house responding well, you recall, joshua, in early june when that big protest happened in Lafayette Square and President Trump went over to st. Johns church and held up the bible, there are a lot of unidentified military folks or dressed as military folks at that location as well, trying to keep the peace they were unidentified they were federally he floyd but were not saying who had deployed them on the mission this situation in portland feels very similar to that what i have to say, i dont like to do what aboutism very often. But in this case can you imagine if president obama deployed unidentified federal officers to break up a tea party rally or a Second Amendment rally, there would be such outcry and sufficient bring so, from a lot of quarterbacks if did bpgs was to do Something Like that. Certainly if the local government the mayor, the governor, for President Trump to push through with a federalized military style presence in that city very much violates what conservatives typically say theyre all about, which is local control up dont send in feds to curtail your problems. Shannon, the New York Times reported on a memo from dhs that says these officers were not trained in handling riots or demonstrationsful briefly, what do we actually know about who they are and what their orders were we dont know much. That certainly remains a question, acting day jeff secretary hack open saying that they are sending you know, officials there or some sort of Law Enforcement officials from dhs to protect monuments and the federal courthouses. I would say this is something that the president is certainly suggesting he will do more of. He repeatedly talked last week about wanting to send federal Law Enforcement officials into other cities hes brought up chicago a number of times hes again comparing chicago to afghanistan, talking about how they will call him, all they have to do is call him and hell send, you know, federal Law Enforcement there or send the National Guard and solve the problem right away it of course is a bigger part of his campaign theme, a line i believe we are going to hear a lot more of is you will not be safe in joe bidens america. So the president wants an image and the campaign likes this image of current anarchy and the idea that President Trump again, this is the messaging theyre trying to portray is the one who can stop this anarchy and if you have a joe biden presidency youll just see more and more and more of it thats becoming a central theme to have campaign basil, nancy pelosi referred to them as storm troopers. One said that being among them was like being parade upon im not sure what can be done about this other than dhs ordering these officers to stand down before we break, where do you see this going i dont see it having any anytime soon, frank little this is part of the president s this is sort of his approach, right. We he talked about stepping in to cities a few days ago and taking them over hes talked in similar ways about new york and chicago and atlanta. This is part of this is who he is. This is his selling point to this base, is that this is a country where democrats and liberals are going to let the streets just detheater and im the only one that can help im the only savior that you have its an extraordinarily dangerous message what scares me i dont know this might not be the appropriate term. 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