Sandwich. This is the first and only time our cameras have caught him since Attorney GeneralMerrick Garland appointed smith. And on that subject, we asked him where the investigation stands. Is the Indictment Sir . Is an investigation happening, sir . Excuse us. Anything youd like to say, mr. Smith . He didnt say anything. Didnt even look in our direction, but there are reasons to believe a Charging Decision is in fact coming soon. Donald trumps lawyers were at Doj Headquarters yesterday meeting with him and other doj officials. Jack smith and other doj officials and sources familiar with the investigation told nbc news The Grand Jury in washington, d. C. Is set to meet again this week after a lull. Weve also just learned from sources familiar another grand jury will hear from a witness in florida. So whats the deal with that . What are two grand juries doing for the special counsels investigation and who else could jack smith be looking at . Joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. Nbc news correspondent, Garrett Haake and in florida, nbc legal analyst, lisa ruben. Ken, what does florida have to do with the special counsels investigation . All we know is that we expect at least one witness to testify before a grand jury in the Southern District of florida in connection with this case. We dont even know that this grand jury is specifically devoted to this investigation. It may well just be a Local Grand Jury and the range of possibilities is extreme. Everything from theyre about to bring this case in the Southern District of florida including charges against trump down there in florida to this is just a matter of one witness who couldnt make it up to washington to testify so its matter of convenience and logistics. In between, there are a couple of possibilities. One is that there are other people who may have criminal culpability who can only be charged in florida because their conduct was contained to florida. And one of those such people appears to be walt nada, trumps butler and body man and who moved a bunch of documents around and we understand told a couple of different stories about that to investigators. That would have to be in florida because interview was in florida. The other possibility is that they end up charging this case against trump in a bifurcated way. Some charges in washington. Some in florida. We just have to wait and see. But it adds a new wrinkle in an atmosphere where it looks like this thing is wrapping up. That meeting between trumps lawyers and officials is exhibit a that were getting to the end. Does this new Wrinkle Delay Anything . Change the timeline . The signals were getting is no but theres as much its hard to divine about the secret grand jury process. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Lisa, you are in florida. Do we have any indication of who this witness might be or what it might be regarding . Ken talked a lot about the circumstances, the at fearics. We know from the New York Times reporting that the witness is supposed to be a new witness, someone who hasnt testified before The Grand Jury. Walt could meet that description. Its our understanding that he has met multiple times with investigators but to the best of my knowledge, he has not been before a grand jury. In fact, when the department of Justice Informed his lawyers he had given a variety of different stories and wasnt quite career clear on his account. Thats when they stopped cooperating. It could also be as ken noted that theres a witness who for illness or other reasons cant make it up to d. C. And that could be someone weve never heard from. We didnt know the name carlos de oliveira. The head of maintenance at maralago. He was involved with walt and moving boxes in and out of the storage room at maralago. And was seen on Surveillance Tape doing that. Prosecutors have also informed his counsel that they know that there are Phone Records showing that mr. De oliveira called an i. T. Worker at maralago to ask questions about how the Surveillance Tapes were kept, how long they were kept, what they would show, from what angles were they taken. Both of those people are certainly within the department of justices interest right now and either one of them are among those people likely to testify here today. Let me ask you about the meeting yesterday at Doj Headquarters. We have video of Donald Trumps lawyers leaving that meeting. After that meeting wrapped, the seconds, minutes after as garrett pointed out yesterday, donald trump himself went out on his Social Media Platform and said how could doj charge me. We know that they were meeting with jack smith. I wonder would they potentially be told by jack smith that charges are coming. Could jack smith even say that before a grand jury votes. Again, dont even know if The Grand Jury has voted or if they might be voting this week. Thats right. Thats not a conversation that necessarily takes place on the surface. Youll remember trumps lawyers are the ones who asked for this meeting with the department of justice. They didnt get Merrick Garland, his deputy. They did however get jack smith. You asked for that meeting when you yourself have an understanding that the investigation is nearing completion and that charges are imminent. So i know that jack smith necessarily even needed to tell them that. Whats more likely is that trumps lawyers made a case for why charges shouldnt be brought now or according to some reporting, complained about perceived prosecutorial conduct, got nowhere, left the meeting, called the client and said i dont think weve gotten anywhere and thats when he had his tantrum on truth social. Trumps truths are his tells and theres no better indication than trump himself screaming in all caps that he knows something is coming down the pike and that it cant be good for him. Well see if it holds true this time. Garrett, the lawyers were at doj yesterday. Have you heard anything from inside trumps team about where their heads are at . Look, lisas point about Donald Trumps unfiltered thoughts going straight to his social media flat form is a good one. It was true when he was president and still true now. His reaction yesterday after this meeting was telling, projecting out the idea he would be charged. We saw similar behavior around the indictment in new york, but i think what were seeing from trump and his allies is an opportunity, they believe, to use the same playbook they used around the new york indictment to make this not about Donald Trumps behavior but the way they will project it as what they will call election interference. The idea its a special counsel is a small aside here. That they will cast it as the biden doj going after donald trump to make him a political enemy, basically. And make this all about a political prosecution and they will point out as you saw in that post from truth social that you had, basically mike pence cleared from his special counsel investigation regarding documents. If donald trump gets charged, what about joe biden. Theres a lot of chaff they can put in the air if and when donald trump is charged and theyre projecting that clearly now. And how is that going to play on the Campaign Trial . There are more candidates getting into the race today. More who might use this stuff against trump to break free and to vote for somebody else. Im obsessed with this question because you could have argued the e. Jean carroll lawsuit or others were opportunities for trumps political opponents within the Republican Party to make a break with him or cast him as unfit, someone as suitable character to be president. But trump has inoculated himself against this to this degree with his constant talk of a witch hunt. If he does hear what he did in new york and basically challenges the Republican Party to say youre either with me or youre with a liberal prosecutor, the biden doj, where Do Republicans fall, even his opponents . Do they continue to embrace donald trump if the other side is to be with the sort of hated biden doj or do they with folks like ron desantis now officially in the race. Mike pence expected to be officially in the race by the time we hear anything about charges. Do they use the fact they are now for real candidates, not just playing footsy with running for president , to try to go after donald trump on this. I simply dont know. Past history suggests theyll probably give him the past. Or does Chris Christie become the blunt object that does the dirty work. Were going to explore that in a few minutes. Thats a tease. Thank you. That is the reporting. Coming up in 60 seconds, were going to get the legal view. What does Barbara Mcquaids experience at the doj tell us about what happens next . Plus, he says hes learned his lesson from 2016. Just teased it a moment ago. And now knows how to beat donald trump. Chris christie jumps into the 2024 race. What is the goal of his candidacy . And Breaking News out of ukraine. The u. S. Says it will declassify intelligence that says who is likely responsible for breaking a massive dam. Were back in 60 seconds. A mass. Were back in 60 seconds tide poh 85 more tide in every pod. Who needs that much more tide . 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Perhaps theres some effort to resolve the case though its hard to imagine donald trump offering to plead guilty and that the Justice Department would take anything short of a felony conviction. Its hard to imagine theres much room for negotiation there. But nonetheless, its an important step to take as you move on to the next step, which seems likely to be indictment. Later this week, theyll continue to hear from new witnesses but at some point, all these signs were seeing does seem to point to an indictment coming soon. Have you ever been in a situation where youve used multiple grand juries for the same investigation . I havent. Thats what seems strange here. It seems theyre either planning to file this whole thing in florida or that this is some little off chute and thats a possibility. It could be that there is a witness who is testifying for their Witness Convenience and theyll transcribe that testimony and use it in the d. C. Case. Or its also possible that theyre charging an individual kind of one off witness. Somebody who perhaps has lied to them and that case is being handled independently with the idea even that that person could ultimately cooperate. So it strikes me as rather unusual. It also seems to me that strategically it would be better for the Justice Department to file this case in washington, d. C. Theyre likely to get a better jury. Likely to have a jury that is more familiar with and sensitive to the idea of handling classified documents and so this dynamic of two grand juries at work is really a little puzzling. Doesnt that open them up, when you say a better jury, isnt that what donald trump is going to argue . As in a politically motivated jury, one that doesnt like him . Is there not a political argument to make for jack smith filing this in florida to at least take the idea that d. C. Is not for donald trump off the table . I dont think so. I think you have to think about what prosecutors think about is whats the legal, legally sound decision and the legally strategic decision. I dont think they worry too much about politics. Now if they were looking to file this in some place where they had no business to file it, los angeles, new york city, some place where there was no venue at all, i think hed have an argument that theyre trying to find a place to treat him unfairly, but charging him in washington, d. C. Is not unfair. These documents belonged in the white house, the national archives. Those things are in the proper place. The fact he took them home with him doesnt mean he get to choose the venue of his home. Hes going to make all kinds of arguments. When i was in the Justice Department and anticipated there might be a political outcry, i asked myself i need to tune out the noise and do what i think is the right thing even if there might be political blowback. Its been amplified over the past few years especially with this particular person. I want to ask you about the logistics of what will happen next if donald trump is indicted. How quickly would the indictment come and then donald trump appear before a judge . I think fairly quickly. Ordinarily within a matter of days. Typically what would happen is in a case like this where its a Nonviolent O Offender where youre not worried about him harming the public, the doj lawyers would alert the Trump Lawyers that an indictment had been returned and ask to schedule an arraignment at his earliest convenience within the next few days. There may need to be travel time as there was in the new york case if in this case, hes charged in washington, d. C. Or in florida, i would imagine theyd allow him a few days to make that appearance. I imagine they would also allow him to surrender on his own. No need to go out and arrest him. I know sometimes that strikes people as being unfair, but ordinarily, the Justice Department doesnt like to arrest people if it doesnt have to. It requires a lot of resources and theres a lot of fear something could go wrong and someone could get hurt. If someone is not a danger to the community, theyre typically allowed to selfreport. I imagine that would happen with donald trump. I imagine Secret Service would stay with him because they still have a former president to protect. Thank you very much. Well be talking im sure in the next few days. Coming up, hes called Trump A Loser and coward so why is trump still saying nice things about him . Behind the latest kond to jump into the race. Plus, evacuations are underway in ukraine after a dam is destroyed. What the u. S. Is saying about who bombed the dam. T who bombed the dam theres a different way to treat hiv. Its everyothermonth, injectable cabenuva. 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