Cannon herself. No labels was looking for a hero. And a hero never emerged. That was the biggest waste of 80 million to ruin a brand ive ever seen. Its not for lack of trying. Thats for sure. It was not based in reality, just like the campaign was not based in reality. Biden world is trying to nuke rfk out of the race. A 300,000 new jobs added in march is a great number truth social, youve seen on the move. Its ridiculous. He has no revenue. Slamming trump media and its investors, comparing the company to meme stocks with no real value. Why are you even talking about this . Its a scam, just like everything hes ever been involved in is some sort of con. Good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle, and we are now 214 days away from the election. This week there was more back and forth in trumps many legal cases, denials of motions to delay or dismiss, expanded gag orders, and jack smith himself making it clear hes had enough with the judge overseeing the classified documents case. Lets bring in our very special nightcap crew, my dearest friend, my true partner, ali velshi, msnbc Chief Correspondent is here, amanda littman, cofounder and coexecutive director of run for something, comedian roy wood junior, also a former correspondent for the daily show, and nbc news correspondent allie vitali. Welcome to all, i start with you. Trumps delayed train seems to be coming possibly to an end, the hush money case is starting in less than two weeks, do you think theres any chance we actually see a verdict before election day . In that case, maybe. Most reporters know this, but, thats so difficult about watching these court cases, your watching the hush money case go forward, but i think thats probably the one that has the least bearing on americans ability to vote or not vote for trump as if their opinions arent made already. But things like the documents case and the Jack Smith January 6th case in addition to whats going on in Fulton County where you literally have the guy on tape saying give me the votes i need to win these things, those are the ones that are impactful and those are the ones your watching him kick the can down the road on. The Stormy Daniels stuff, people had that in their brain from five years ago, i dont think its changing anything. If you talk to everyone, they agree its the weakest case in terms of impact, so that might be the one we see but the ones that voters should see are the other ones. People think its that case, its about his wife, its about adultery, its not. Its about paying someone off to hide information leading into an election. Heres my question. Are too many people expecting that if and when there is a verdict, trump will automatically be found guilty . Because lets be clear, he might not be. And if hes not found guilty, then he is going to use that as fuel to go, see, im not guilty on this one, theyre all, what his favorite words, witchhunt . Im happy that theyre spreading the cases out, now, like beyonce albums. Because before, it was a logjam, the manafort days. You could think about was one this actually is. Theyre fun, i dont know that this is, i wanted to talk to ali velshi about this all week long, donald trump even though his delays are ending, this guy gets break after break, whether its the judge in florida, whether he found a guy to get in the hundred 75 million bond, now, Truth Social Being A publicly traded company that could end up making him hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, next week hes going to a golf tournament, also stands to make a lot of money. Truth social. What is your take on this . Today with the rest of the market up it was down again, it loses value every day. But even losing its still making him, on paper, a ton. On paper its half of what it was when it debuted. One never knows how this all goes. One of the important points about truth social is that its not exactly a meme stocks but its got all the makings of it. Its not institutional investors, not banks and Insurance Companies and funds and things like that, its trump vance. And, it loses more money than we thought it lost, 58 million in its first year. The interesting thing here that you pointed out to me, the other day, is that its partnered with another firm, the largest shareholder in that firm was the largest shareholder, in ticktock, richest man in pennsylvania, and its the holding is a little bit weird. This guy wasnt that into trump is the first place, hes not his supported him historically, and now all of a sudden the deal is in the works, but he has a conversation with donald trump, they acknowledge they met, they wanted knowledge what they talked about. Donald trumps opinion of tick tock, banding it in the United States, changed. There could be all sorts of massive people buying up this stock, potentially currying favor with the next president of the United States. Nobody buys this stock because it looks like a good investment. What should i do with my 401 k . I tell people this is not my jam, i cant advise you on that. Nobody is advising anybody to buy truth social. Or whatever its called, trump media stock. Its just a weird company that doesnt mean anything. For many years amazon did not make a profit, but you knew something was happening. There was a bet on the idea that jeff bezos was very smart, smarter than most people and would find a way to make money. Nobody is saying that about donald j trump. You cant tell me youre ahead of the game when youre selling bibles and gold sneakers. Thats not a person that has a good idea. But the craziest thing is, theres a market for it. So is donald trump not the luckiest guy in the world, that there is even a market for the bibles or the shoes or the fact that he has a publicly traded company, that does nothing, that loses tens of millions of dollars, and the whole company is him crazy posting . And the investors we saw today, mostly republican donors, someone with a questionable relationship to the russian oligarchs. Not a surprising list of people. I do think its a little, maybe self sabotaging on trumps part but hes taking money from people that could be giving to his campaign and funding his legal fights, and instead directing them to meme stocks. Is the ultimate way that theyre giving money to his campaign. Guess what they can do . Write off their lawsuits. They cant write off the campaign contributions. Max out on the political side and another avenue for funding this stuff, and again, and you can do it without anybody knowing your name. The influence piece you pointed to thailand again is so important. The thing Congress Loves to talk about is who was hunter biden Doing Business with . The thing democrats come back with what i which i think is a fair question is, do oversight of Hunter Bidens business. Do oversight of Jared Kushner and the investments hes gotten from the saudis and the deals that they were doing potentially as he was leaving the white house, but was involved in foreign diplomacy. All of this stuff is involved with each other, and, its worth looking into. Not a guy ahead of his game. If you are a saudi wealth fund, you have a lot of choices in the world. You can find the best investors anywhere in the world. Jared kushner is not on the top 500,000 of the worlds best investors. Whatever. Lets talk about president biden. Today, another example should be a great day for him. A bang up jobs report, which yet again shows what an extraordinary economic recovery weve had. The economy is strong, but, from a political standpoint, its still a challenging political story, because we have an overhang of inflation, and life is expensive for people. How does the president navigate this, and get that positive message out, like clockwork . [ laughing ] im looking for advice for you. Lets talk right now, why does this always happen with us . Always. I think the inflation and job news is indicative of what has been happening in the entirety of the biden administration. Which is good news that its able to be spun into something that means nothing. When the truth is that theyve done a lot of monumental policies on a lot of monumental things, and its more about, how do you get people to understand why this is good . There is a degree, a lack of what trump has that i think biden did not have, in 2020. With the ability to simplify things. Politics is not simple, its a complicated thing. But because trump is so binary, good, bad, lock up, wall. And willing to not tell the truth. Correct. And the truth is wordy. The truth is not, the truth is complicated. Thats what the administration continues to struggle with. I do not know how they do that, and on top of that, youre still finding the argument about age which ive never understood, because the other dude is only four years younger . Two years younger than you . Thats the question, how do they show it, not tell it on infrastructure, on the way that theyve capped Insulin Prices at 35, that stuff matters. Heres the wordiness problem. I want to say, the president cant control inflation, but you want to look at the camera and say but look what he has done. Hes trying to cap credit card late fees at eight dollars, trying to crack down on closing costs, trying to tackle excess fees on College Loans and Student Loan Borrowers and reining in the rental market. That doesnt fit. In a bumper sticker. So how does the president get this into the american psyche, because people are going, lifes so expensive. And President Trump hasnt offered any economic solutions. Him saying im going to slap tariffs, thats worse. Its actually that on every topic. Whatever you think joe biden didnt do well enough on, im not sure, with the exception of lowering your taxes, which is a big one, and deregulation, which is a big one to corporations and ceos, that anything would have been done better by donald trump. He wasnt better at any of that stuff. Remember the time we were covering infrastructure week every time it happened, and he derailed it all within three hours of launching it because he would tweet that somebodys firing or hes changing a law . Thats the thing, donald trump is binary, but the one thing that is working against joe biden is that the price of an egg is more expensive than it was a few years ago. Inflation is coming under control, but prices arent going backwards because prices dont go backwards. And if prices were going backwards in our economy that would be a really bad thing on many levels for our economy. But youre paying more for an egg, for a tomato. And the cost of housing in the cost of childcare continues to go up, for a lot of folks like myself included, those are your biggest budget lines. Those are things that the president can do anything about. But hes trying to peer hes trying, and its a hard argument to make because youre trying to tell people, the thing that they feel is real for their lived experience, theyre wrong. The economy is great, and if someone told me that, it must be good for someone else because its not good for me. The thing that you feel, and the thing that is your lived experience right now, are diverging. Your lived experience is a better economic reality than the vibe, and thats the disconnect. So as were saying this right now, on twitter, theyre going to be going nuts saying its the medias fault. Youre talking down the economy, your convincing the American People that the economy sucks, youre to blame, but its actually the lived experience. I think that its hard to tell someone who is struggling that everything is okay. I dont know how youre able to flip that, and biden cant afford to do it, what the campaign is seemingly not interested in doing is going, youre right, it is bad. They are doing it now. But, talking about it doesnt necessarily make people feel better. Life is expensive. Somebody who is out of the game, i have to ask you, no labels. 80 million later, all the big ideas, very few tv appearances, nancy jacobson, im looking at you. And theyre out. Whats your take . I use my official term earlier, but that was the word that i think i heard from so many operatives who had been texting me nonstop over the last few months being, no labels have done this, and now they finally get to exhale. I think the people who are always taking no labels more seriously were the biden folks. They had staffed around this, they were prepared to launch a fullscale attack to try to keep these folks, whoever they recruited, out of the game. I think theyre happy they dont have to do that anymore, but the fact that there was this backandforth that there should be another candidate in the first place when the outreach wasnt even really existing, i remember talking to the nikki haley folks who were like, no one ever called nikki haley. Even though they were trying to get to her over the media. I think it lands them in the right place of, voters know they have a binary even though rfk is in there, hes more of a Trump Problem than a biden problem. They were raising 70 million and not doing anything meaningful with it. Im shocked to hear that. Thats a lot of money. But, lets talk about for a minute, roy, just a minute. Saying hes going to pull from trump, whats your take . There are people out there who might not realize who he is or what hes saying or what he represents, but they just feel like im tired of politics, im exhausted by this whole thing, heres a new face. I think theres going to be some liberal voters who just choose rfk just on, call it voting roulette. If you will. For lack of a better option. Whats the guy, literally anybody . Its either rfk or literally anybody else. I dont think that its going to be a bigger issue for biden then trump. I think its definitely a Trump Problem. He talks about is already, you got to be under other side to be accepting the vaccine stuff, the Conspiracy Theory stuff, the january 6th people patriots, [ inaudible ] your Brother Campaigning against you. 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