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His condition, krystal, is that he remains in critical but stable condition. He is still on a ventilator. He is still on a dialysis machine. Although we are told his liver function has improved somewhat. Doctors are cautioning thats going to vary over the coming days. We now know hes being treated with brincidofovir, a drug for use with other viruses but showed promise in laboratory tests, including one done with duncans blood. It is a pill given twice a day. His family is now inside the hospital along with reverend jesse jackson. They are meeting with doctors to get more details on his condition. We dont know yet if they will be able to actually see him. Were expecting a press conference from them very shortly. Meanwhile, officials continue to monitor the 48 people who had some type of contact with duncan, including the ten who had direct contact. Now, most people develop symptoms of ebola eight to ten days after exposure. Today is day nine, making today and tomorrow very critical. Sarah, we have to go right now to the cdc where theyre having the press conference. Good morning. Good afternoon. Today is one week since the first patient with ebola in the United States was diagnosed. And one week into a situation people begin to look back and begin to think about it, think about what went right, what went wrong, what are the implications for the future. I think we have to keep a couple of things in mind. The first is that globally, this is going to be a long, hard fight. Second is that we can never forget that the enemy here is a virus. The enemy is ebola. Not people, not countries, not communities. A virus. And its a virus that doesnt spread through the air and that we do know how to control. We do know how to stop it, by isolating patients, doing Contract Tracing and breaking the chains of transmission. Now, i can say one week in there are real signs of progress. Not only in dallas, but also around the world. And ill go a few ill go through a few of them. In dallas, there are ten definite and 38 possible contacts being monitored. Each and every one of them is having their temperature monitoring. As of today, none of them are sick. None of them has a fever. Well continue to watch that very closely in the coming days. And dr. Laky, judge jenkins and their teams at state and local level in dallas are doing a terrific job dealing with what is really an unprecedented situation. In parts of west africa were beginning to see some signs of progress as well. Now, weve been talking about west africa, but the fact is, these are three Different Countries and they have three different patterns of disease. Even within each country there are different patterns of disease. So, in liberia there are 15 districts or counties. In those different districts there are different patterns of disease. In some they have had very few cases of ebola. In others, theyre just beginning to have a big increase in cases. And ill mention one particular district, which is in a remote rural area, the capital city is known as lofa, and in that district, that was the forested district that is bordering both sierra leone and guinea. That threecountry border district has been the epicenter of the outbreak. That district, that area, has had at times the most cases in all of liberia, but over the past few weeks, cases have plummeted. Now, were not sure of all of the reasons, but part of it is that there were enough isolation beds in those facilities. Excuse me. And also that in those facilities, in that district, burial practices were being addressed and improved. Now, we dont know that that decrease is going to be maintained because weaver seen waves of diseases before. But we do think that at least in that one community, its real. So even in west africa, even in a place that was the heart of the outbreak, were seeing signs of progress. And though it hasnt been in the headlines, the outbreak in drc is still contained. The number of cases is relatively small. It has not spread beyond a remote rural area. Its the traditional Ebola Outbreak weve seen in the past and it looks like its well on its way to being contained in a country thats dealt with ebola in the past. One or sign of progress that hasnt been in the papers recently, or until now, is a single case in uganda of a disease called caused by the marberg virus. Now, its a lot like ebola, except it didnt have a movie made about it. Marberg has a similar case fatality, spread about the same way and controlled in the same way. One individual in uganda died from marberg. Their cause of death was not immediately identified but weve done important work in uganda to help the ugandans better have a Laboratory Network so they can find cases, have a Responsibility Network with disease detectives and people who can follow up. And have an Emergency Operation center to track individual cases. And as a result, theyve identified contacts. Those contacts include an individual who was the embalmer, who then went back to kenya. That person was traced and tracked to kenya. Was tested. At this point does not have marberg and the contacts within that persons family in uganda and so far there have not been additional cases. I mention this because oftentimes in Public Health what gets noticed is what happens. Its hard to see what doesnt happen. If we stop the outbreak in rural drc and prevent an outbreak in uganda, that may not be headlines but that tells us there is progress and gives us confidence we will be able to control ebola in west africa. Now, theres a lot were doing based on what weve learned in the past week. For example, we have hospital awareness efforts. We already work regularly with hospital associations. We have an intensive involvement on infection control, Technical Support and other issues. And our callskk bn from doctors[ increased tenfold since the first case was diagnosed. So, theres a lot of awareness and were working to increase that even further. Were also working very closely with Health Departments. City, big city, state and Health Department associations, dr. Laky and his colleagues in dallas are an example of an excellent functioning Health Department. We to want make sure any lessons we learn in dallas are rapidly incorporated into Health Departments around the country. I know that people are eager for more information about travel. And i want to address that for a couple of minutes before concluding and turning it over to dr. Laky and then to questions. As the president said yesterday, were looking hard at what we can do to further increase the safety of americans and in the coming days we will announce further measures that will be taken. Right now i can give you some basic principles. We want to ensure, and we will always ensure that the health of americans is our top priority. We want to ensure anything we do works and is workable. We recognize that whatever we do until the disease is controlled in africa, we cant get the risk to zero here. We may be able to reduce it. We will look at every opportunity to do that. We also dont to want do anything in medicine that will backfire. In medicine one of our cardinal rules is, above all, do not harm. If we do something that impedes our ability to stop the outbreak in west africa, it could spread further there. We could have more countries like liberia and the challenge would be much greater and go on for a much longer period of time. We know how to stop ebola. Thats whats happening in dallas today. Thats whats beginning to occur in parts of west africa. The signs of progress are there but it is going to be a long, hard fight. And i think we should always keep in mind that the enemy here is a virus. And we together can stop that virus. Now, id like to turn it over to dr. David lakey, commissioner for you have been watching an update from tom frieden, cdc director. Lets head to omaha where ashoka mukpo is being treated. John yang joins us. Reporter hes going to be give getting brincidofovir, the same drug in dallas. There was a consultation with both the fda, the cdc and the drug manufacturers to try to decide which of the drugs that have been used with the ebola victims people with ebola in the United States that went through and to assess his current condition to see what drug would be the best option, because each drug has a different reaction in different cases. They say they are going to be looking at how he responds to this drug. Theyre keeping other options in mind. This is, as sarah noted before, an antiviral drug that has other uses but has shown promise in Clinical Trials and in other trials with ebola. So, they think this is the best option to have right now. I can tell you my colleague, kate snow, spoke doctors who are treating mukpo just a little bit ago. They say he is very tired. Hes losing a lot of fluids through vomiting and diarrhea. Theyre trying to they are obviously giving him as much fluids as they can to keep him rehydrated. Thats crucial that he is here because thats something they cant do in liberia. They cant do sort of to be able to calibrate the fluids that they give patients. So, thats one key reason they wanted to get him here as quickly as possible. One reason why theyre fairly confident about his prognosis, is that they were able to get him here early before his symptoms got worse, which they apparently are. Back to you. John yang, thank you so much for that update from omaha. Lets turn to the white house and nbcs chris jansing. Chris, you have people demanding that the flights are banned from parts of africa. Here is what the cdc is saying about that. They say, banning flights makes it harder to get help. The disease spreads more within these countries. It spreads to other parts of africa. And within a few minutes were dealing with outbreaks in many parts of africa, so basically, chris, lets stop asking this question. Its not going to help. And its not going to happen. And there is a lot of pushback from the white house. They had a big meeting in the roosevelt yesterday. Top white house officials, top Public Health officials, department of defense, and of course the president was there. They have to be able to get both people and supplies in there. Its not that they dont have great hospitals in these countries. Jdtqi rp e no public he infrastructure at all. There has been absolutely no treatment. Theyre basically building a Health Infrastructure from scratch. So, while there are economic reasons they dont want to do that and other reasons, the main is, that they want to keep this isolated. They want to reduce the number of cases there and keep it contained. Chris, its also somewhat immoral to say that part of the world has a problem. Lets just close our eyes and close our nose and just shut them off and then it wont be a problem for us. In a globalized world weve seen the problem will come to us. We have to do more than just shut our eyes to the problem. Reporter its a morality problem and also a practical sense here. Its come to spain now. Europe is very concerned. We have a case here in the United States. There is a real reason to contain this. You know, a travel ban is not only not going to help that situation. How do you say to people, yes, go over there. We know what the protocols will be to keep yourself safe, but it is still a dangerous situation. Go over there and Many Americans have, but we cant tell you if you can get back or when youll be able to get back. So, the white house has said, thats not even on the table for them. Such a great point. Chris jansing at the white house. John yang in omaha, sarah doloff in dallas. 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Im mike, and im very much alive. Now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. Be sure to talk to your doctor more breaking news now. Dramatic new developments in afternoon in the fight against isis. The fbi is asking for the publics help to identify the person in this image, an englishspeaking, masked man seen in nearly an hourlong isis propaganda video. Officials in the uk say they have foiled a homegrown isis plot. An arrest right here at home of an american trying to join isis. 19yearold Muhammad Khan arrested over the weekend at chicagos ohare airport, allegedly headed to syria to fight alongside isis. He reportedly left his parents a letter, spellinging out his intentions and pleading with them not to tell the authorities he was up to. Feds found that letter when they raided his home. Adding to the urgency. Former defense secretary leon panetta is adding fire. Who served president obama in the cia and Defense Department did not spare his former boss. He blasted the president as a vacillator and complainer, calling him someone with the logic of a law professor instead of the passion of a leader. Thats not good. Panetta went on with Andrea Mitchell this afternoon to further his case. My experience in washington is that logic alone doesnt work. Once you lay out a position, youve got to roll up your sleeves and youve got to basically fight to get it done. That is key in washington. In order for president s to succeed, they cannot just you know, when they run into problems, kind of step back and give up. And i think theres a feeling right now. I have a feeling that both the leadership and the congress and the president have largely given up on the big issues facing this country. For more on washingtons reactions to all of this, we head there now to msnbcs political reporter alex sites. Weve heard this assessment of the president has before, too professorial and not passionate enough. What strikes me as an exadviser coming out and attacking the president while hes still in office. What do you make of that . Yeah, it was his predecessor robert gates who did it first with a lot of the same criticism. I think with both of them, you have guys who are just not loyal to the president. Their careers werent made in the obama administration. Gates was a bush holdover, who was begged to stay by obama. He really wanted to leave. Panetta was a clinton guy who was brought back into service. So, neither of these guys, you know, fear any retribution from the Obama White House. Again, hes two years left in theyre not afraid of no law professor. Thats right. Theyre not afraid of him. Theyre just going to go out and say what they want, sell a lot of books and do well for themselves. And i think also subtly theres Something Else going on here. I said panetta made his career in the Clinton White house. I think hes doing his best to help hillary clinton, looking ahead to the next administration. That sounds threedimensional chess. Like ill dis obama to help hillary sort of thing. Im not a fan of these post books after you have served in an administration, yet we seem to be seeing a lot more of that lately. I want to move on to this isis threat toure was mentioned earlier, the 19yearold that was arrested over the weekend at Ohare International airport, trying to catch a flight ultimately to turkey, where he would then try to get into iraq or syria to join isis. In his Room Authorities found handwritten documents that supported isis, drawings of the flag. One note he wrote to his parents said, first and foremost, dont tell the authorities. If this were to happen, it would not just jeopardize the safety of us and our family as well. Weve seen more and more cases pop up right here at home. Something a lot of us are concerned about. These are just the ones we know about. Politically, though, how much can obama president obama do to prevent this from happening . Well, not much. Thats the problem. I mean, this is really the nightmare scenario. This scares a lot of americans and why were seeing in the polling a return to that 20032004 era levels of concern about National Security and terrorism. If you have an american kid with an american passport who goes and becomes radicalized, gets training, comes back. If he doesnt get caught, like this kid was, its really scary. Theres very little, frankly, the white house can do, that the administration can do. You know, the Security Apparatus will do its best but weve seen time and again, with the secret service, there are cracks there. We want to do some politics. Were going to have some fun after some serious topics. Abby huntsman and i were talking about lil john. Everyone in politics is talking about lil john, musician, who makes rambunctious, some would call hard core rap music, hes teamed up with celebrities in rock the vote. Hes got this song called turn down for what, you love that one, toure thats a good one. Can we just play it . No. 9e made it turn out for what. Lets take a look. Rock the vote rock the vote turn out for what turn out for what turn out for what im turning out for reproductive rights. Im fred. Im turning out because i want to impress my friends. Thats the only reason to ever do anything. Turn down for what very honest and straightforward appeal, to try to get young people out. Rock the vote releasing that with lil john today. I want your political read. Do these efrtsz make any difference when you try to get people to come out in what are traditionally lower turnout events in the midterm. Yeah, lil alex, respond. Maybe it can move on the margins but its really tough. For young people who are dont tend to vote in high numbers in president ial years, let alone in off years, they can get excited about history breaking moment like the barack obama presidency, but for right now in this midterm when theres no major issues on the line, no Climate Change bill, no obamacare, its hard for people to get excited about this. Maybe lil john will get a few more people to the polls but and also you can look at obamas approval numbers. Even among the base, really low, young people, so its going to take a lot of lil john videos. Like his approval numbers are lil, like lil john. Thanks for that report, ari. Alex, in other midterm news, new numbers out for grimes, in kentucky shes been down consistently. This one up by an anomaly, two points. Is this real . Im going to hold judgment on that. Most have mcconnell up by four points. It could be an outlier. One of the big problems with polling in midterms is the turnout model, its its all about turnout, since youre trying to predict whos going to come to the polls. You know, thats where pollsters get it wrong. We have to wait and see if those numbers are real or not. Something tells me a thanks for that. Coming up, 60 of the country is now able to legally marry whoever they want. But remember, that means 40 of the country still cant. Guess whos looking to change that . A group of republicans. That sounds good. I have a cold. I took nyquil but im still stuffed up. Nyquil cold and flu liquid gels dont unstuff your nose. Really . Alkaseltzer plus night rushes relief to eight symptoms of a full blown cold including your stuffy nose. breath of relief oh, what a relief it is. Thanks. Anytime. You got a Little Something on the back of your shoe there. A price tag danger price tag alert oh. Hey, guys. Price tag alert is this normal . Well, progressive is a price tag free zone. 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Lets face it, as the party evolves, younger members are opening their eyes. One Group Leading that movement is the american unityi d fund, group i wholeheartedly support. Im standing out for freedom. Im allen. Im karen. Were standing out for equality. Im standing out for w wfree. I am standing out for the right side of history. Standing on the right side of history isnt just where republicans need to be, its where all americans should be. With more on this important campaign, jeff cook mccormick, Senior Adviser joins us at the table. Im so excited about this campaign that really comes at a perfect time. I have long talked about the conservative argument that two main things really, family values and also equality under the law, two things the party has long stood for. Yet theres still a division in the Republican Party. In large part between the young and the old. Absolutely. Yesterday was such an historic day for freedom in america. And at the same time its a clear indication that so much of the work thats left to be done, the final frontier in the Civil Rights Movement of our generation, is on the center right. Its in the Republican Party and in communities of faith. Those same values that have motivated so many people to embrace economic freedom. Values like individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government and Strong Families are the same conservative principles that have driven gay and lesbian people to want to conform to the institution of marriage. Marry the person they love. The standout campaign is about republicans, conservatives, independents, moderates and libertarians across america sharing in their own words by making a video online at americanunityfund. Com why they support freedom for their friends, family and neighbors and communicating that. He even got the website in there. I like that. Im glad youre doing this. This is important. I want republicans to come along because this is the right side of history. But the problem for the gop is that theyve spent so many years demogogging against human rights. Its how they relate to their base. The south still has the vast majority of its states are against gay marriage. The south is a key part of the gop coalition. How does the gop mo guard in embracing gay rights when their basefngmw so deeply against it . Thats a good question. Whats so fascinating for so Many Americans, two years ago at this time we had six states for freedom to marry. Today were close to 30. Part of the amazing story is state after state republicans provided the margin of victory in each of those states. We now have 234 republican state legislators across america who followed their consciouses and did the right thing, despite the political risk. What weve seen politically, three of the 234 lost their seat as a result of their stand. People are showing courage, living to tell the tale and its causing courage to go viral. More and more concerns and conservative legislators and rank and file republicans are standing up because they see how the country is changing and they recognize theres an emerging we love viral courage. We love all kinds of courage. Thats right. So, to toures point a bit, some are still seeing political opportunity in opposing marriage equali equality. Senator ted cruz, who many of you as a potential 2016 hopeful came out with a statement yesterday after the Supreme Courts decision. He said, the Supreme Courts decision by lower courts stand to redefine marriage is tragic and indefensible. Marriage is an institution whose integrity and vitality are critical to the health of any society. We should remain faithful to our moral heritage and never hesitate to defend it. How do you think this debate will play out in the 2016 president ial race . Weve seen it over the last year. Those comments are becoming fewer and farther in between. Theres a larger group of republicans who would really like to see this issue see us move on from this issue and recognize that the court is playing a leadership role and there arent a whole lot of republicans that are that upset about it. Weve seen from a lot of republican governors over the last 24 hours, theyve taken a position you would expect a republican to take, which is the rule of law. If republicans believe in nothing else, its in the rule of law and enforcing the law as it is. Were seeing a number of republicans who even personally may hold a more traditional view of the issue but who are at least embracing that this issue is now over in many of their states. And the politics of it, we obviously understand why we focus on laws and equality before the law, which is a longstanding struggle in this nation. Youre also working partly on the culture here because youre talking about people sharing their stories with other people so we can think about this as broader than just what are the rules in this state. My question for you, for conservatives, how much of this has to go beyond the rules about marriage and go to the harder conversation that touches on religion, which is fostering an environment where we see each other as equals and not saying that someones Sexual Orientation or someone says they were born that way, they chose it, whatever, that that makes them a sinner, makes them something bad before god because that drives a lot of what youre working on, which is the culture piece. I think were now close to 30 states. Clearly, there are 20 statesrhx left that arent yet there. We have a lot of work to do among conservatives and people of faith to continue this conversation. Weve seen in a lot of states that already have marriage is that conservatives who were in opposition to it when it was in the process of taking place, now that its over, theyve gotten more comfortable. A big reason theyve gotten more comfortable is theyve recognized theres a difference between the Civil Institution of marriage and the religious institution of marriage. People can have their beliefs do you think if they stand by that religious belief they can still look although people who happen to be gay as full equals . I do believe so. I think a number of americans this is a delicate issue for a lot of americans. Weve also seen, like in the state of pennsylvania, gay and lesbian couples are free to marry the person they love. When they show up at work the next day, they can be fired for the fact they got married the night before. So we still have work to pass nondiscrimination Protection Laws in this country. Weve seen a lot of evangelical christians are supportive of nondiscrimination but they have a more traditional view on marriage. What weve done on the center right is give republicans an opportunity to demonstrate their inclusi inclusive, whether thats embracing freedom to marry, nondiscrimination or standing up for a strong u. S. Foreign policy voice inclusive of gays and lesbians across the globe. 2n republican or democratic thing. Its across the country. If a republican wants to win a, they cannot win a National Election if they are against gay marriage. I love this campaign. Thank you so much. Well see. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it. When we come back, we were talking about president s before. Well talk about two more president s who are remembered quite differently but they are sharing something very similar. [ man ] look how beautiful it is. Honey, we need to talk. We do . I took the trash out. I know. And thank you so much for that. 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Reagan is our projected winner. Ronald wilson reagan. I cant help but recall in 1966 riding around in a Greyhound Bus with him as he was trying to win the republican nomination for governor of california. A lot of people were laughing at him then in 1966. They0,nu learned in every elec in which hes been allowed, never laugh at Ronald Reagan. Magz clip there. That was Election Night 1980. That, of course, was the greatw tom brokaw recounting ronald reag reagans rise to the presidency from their first meeting in 1966 which was the same sometime, by the way, of another politician as high height of power, lindon ba Lyndon Johnson. A new book called landslide lbj and Ronald Reagan when johnson reigned over the world when Ronald Reagan was beginning on a course to change politics to this very day. Here to tell us what our current leaders can learn and not learn from these two political giants is the books author, jonathan darman. Thanks for being with us. I dont think a lot of people connect Ronald Reagan and lbj, who are at different ends of the spectrum. Tell us what they share in common, what the connection is and what we should be learning now. Not only are they at opposite ends of the spectrum. We associate them with two totally different moments of time. If youre a progressive and you want to look at ideological passion gets matched with political opportunities, thats 1960s and the johnson administration. If youre a conservative, theb comparable is reagan and the 80s. We dont think about the fact they were contemporaries. Born less than three years apart. They are shaped by the same world events. Their world views are product of coming age in the same america. If you go back actually 50 years ago this fall, Lyndon Johnson on his way to winning the largest popular vote in American History and same time Ronald Reagan emerging as a political figure as the only republican in the country who makes a compelling case against johnson. What i wanted to do was tell the story of 1,000 days in the mid1960s when you see these guys offering a new vision for politics that shapes a lot of the contest we see in the 50 years that follow. Theres a lot of similarities between the men they dream of being. I love this sentence. Reagan and johnson were at heart driven by the same fundamental need to be the hero and receive the worlds admiration and acclaim. One was a rancher down in the muck. Thats lbj. The other was a cowboy riding along the ridge. Thats reagan. But at the end of the day, each of them was a man on horseback commanding the attention of the world. Expound on that idea. Yeah. Can you be a different kind of rancher. You can be a guy removed from it or Lyndon Johnson, as we all know, was down there working, you know, armtwisting, giving the famed johnson treatment to legislators. At the end of the day, are you the one everyone alooking at . Thats the biggest appeal for both of them. They both interestingly had the same idol for who did that best, fdr. They interpreted the fdr leg ac differently. For johnson, for fdr the way he was able to transform peoples lives, and johnson passed a progressive program. For reagan, fdr was able to connect with millions and millions of people he would never know, never see but he could make them feel like he knew who they were and what he wanted. Reagan tried to imlate that in his own political career. You write reagan created his own legacy, lbj was always working off of kennedy. And you write, johnson would encourage the myth of kennedy, the martyr, so that he could be the martyrs redeemer. That way kennedy would live on forever and so would i. He had seen his country searching for a story to believe in. Seizing a moment of opportunity in the chaotic aftermath of the assassination, he promised it the grandest story of all. You say that was essential to his governing and also created a vulnerability. Yeah. Its an incredible moment. I think we all sort of take it for granted now, knowing how history works out. Johnson assumes the presidency on november 22, 1963. Of course, hes going to be able to continue on. But actually, it was quite a you know, a substantial task that was before him. The country was sort of absorbed in this unprecedented moment of National Grief and sadness. And so johnson has this sort of brainstorm which is, he can provide a release for the he can say to them, its okay for us to get on with our lives and lets do it by honoring john f. Kennedys legacy by trying to achieve all the things he wasnt able to achieve in his lifetime. He understands theres this emerging kennedy myth and he really harnesses himself to it. At the same time, that sort of creates a problem for him because he starts competing on that level of someone who is great and transformative and historic. And as i show in the book over time that makes him sort of, make a lot of promises that dont really jibe with the reality people are seeing in their own lives as things start to spin out of control in the 60s. If youre a politician today, you want to be the next Ronald Reagan. You write about ways that people can learn from Ronald Reagan. One being, youve got to appeal to a broad base. Something he would often say, dont label me a conservative. Its interesting. People today say stuff like, reagan couldnt get elected in todays Republican Party. The idea being that, you know, hes that with all the sort of litmus tests, even Ronald Reagan isnt idealogically pure enough. I dont personally believe that. One thing you see in the book is reagan is incredibly pragmatic about matters of his own selfinterest. He would be capable of figuring out exactly what he needed to do to get elected in todays Republican Party but he would also be focused on voters in the middle. Great book. 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Your new book is more your story after writing so many other peoples stories, why . After 40 years of writing about everything else, it was time to turn it around on myself. Because i had been talk being how well did they do. Talking about how well they did. Well, how well did i do . I made a lot of mistakes. I learned how to dare. It was like an excavation, painful, but also you find treasures, people who helped you along the way and how important an influence they were in your life, you find out who betrayed you and how you deal with that. Ultimately you see the theme of your life, which most of us dont take time to think about. The them for me was theme for me was daring. I found if i pushed through the fear and took a leap, even if i didnt land on my feet the first time, i hardly ever did, if i took it again and again i felt bet eter and began to succeed a felt more powerful. So i learned when i fear i dare. You became one of the big, big figures in the new Journalism Movement cwhich inspired me very much as a writer. Cool. And there was a painting in your book, an illustration of you alongside tom wolff and the leaders of that movement and there you are out in front of the group. On the outside. How did you get there. The book begins with that the literal and figure atively journey of how you got there. Mr. So,. So, as a fearful person, where did you find the kourng to do that . Courage to do that . I think it was from bored them. I wanted to write what the guys wrote about, really interesting stuff. There was jimmy writing about hookers and bail bondsmen and tom wolf writing about masters of the universe. You know, skewering people with wonderful social realism and i wanted to write like them. So this is funny,fbr i went to felger and i hear him on the phone saying, what do you mean you dont have my reservation, my usual at the four seasons and im like, totally, i cant possibly know, i have to go back. I mean, i had a boyfriend who described me as a skinny brainy chick, that wasnt a compliment in the 60s. Finally he says, where did you come from, i said the estrogen zone. The rest was amazing. Talk about being outside your comfort zone. t6 when you look back at everyone youve ever interviewed, when did you feel most out of your comfort zone . Well certainly when i was in Northern Ireland and it was a lovely sunday and i was joining a peaceful civil rights march, the catholics against the british army. We dragged everybody back to safety. I went and climbed up an outdoor balcony standing next to a young boy asking him how does paratroopers do their thing and suddenly a bullet hit right in his face and his face just exploded with ;f blood and i leaningleaned down trying to think i could put him back together again. I was only 32 years old. First time i had ever seen death. From then on it was like people falling in on us trying to get into the apartment to get out of the cross fire. The paratroopers were jackknifing out of their armored cars and spraying civilians with the first of that kind of urban warfare. I crawled out only because a bullet passed a few feet in front of my own nose. That was a rich experience. I would say that is outside anyones comfort zone. Right but it lived to my in writing pack acks. Because it was a premature mid life crisis. Nobody knew what that was. And much else about different passages of life. You have a lot of stories in the book. Thanks so much for being here today. 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