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Very concerned about a possible war and historically wars have, have occurred in a, in many cases during august and as well as you pointed out and it was no, it was gushing the guns of august and ive gotten them august. Okay, absolutely. Martin way in there and i in on this here b because the parallel with ukraine is quite remarkable. Ukraine is a small country, relatively poor, very badly govern. I dont think anything you can say anything like that, about china, go ahead. Know youve gone. I mean, in that respect, if you put it that way, you know, youre talking about a david and goliath situation. You know, we cant afford a war or anything close to. And then resembles a war or a stage of war, which china that, which is the simply suicide. I think the links between china and ukraine and family. And i wrap up this extensive, i think there is madeline stories. The agenda is just simply on getting an account with the 1st commentators, but so skeptical commentators to say that i really believe that i dont think hes going to be really against the ropes. Come to mid terms, is looking for a massive destruct destruction. And you know, hes certainly not the 1st us president to look at the globe and see where can we have a dust up somewhere and, you know, bring all the training much margin. But martin, this is china if its not and, and this is not me to go to john. Good news, just go in just jump in john. I mean, you know, the one Common Thread im seeing throughout. Busy all this is that the democrats of the party of chaos, domestic. They were behind the insurrection, the violence insurrection in summer 2020. When our city is burned for 2 months. And now. Busy abroad we see there, the party of chaos ignited this war. Reagan re ignited this war and ukraine and other pushing for war in china. So i get the feeling, they just want more chaos. More chaos brings more power, more conscious. They can justify more contracts, whether its spending at home or spending for defense, well, defense spending for war abroad. And thats the only common courtesy, the part of the chaos, of course, as in other respects, very respectful guest, said they, the democrats are also very much interested in provoking china, provoke, and russia. I think they do want a 2 front war because this is their moment in history, where theyre going to teach the other great powers of the world. They can teach them a lesson and theyre going to show them who, whos bought. I mean, they think their boss, the democrats, think their boss on the planet and they are promoting their vision, their Global Vision for a new world order. I caught it, you correct me if im wrong here, but i mean, if the u. S. It seriously is considering some kind of conflict with china. They have to get there by ship. Right. I mean, you have that move without isnt 10000 on these big aircraft carriers. Um, china is very well prepared for Something Like that. I mean, i just, you know, russia, ukraine, you know, theyre right next to each other. Okay. Thats a land war. Ok. This is something very different. Im losing 3 of aircraft carriers. And 90 minutes is good to be house. I could go down, go ahead, michael. Well, its not going to go down very well, except players are al carriers. Im sorry, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, the chinese have warning. You basically that they, they can knock out those aircraft carriers. And i think that theyre prepared to do that. They got the, the book that a specific type of listing missile that will come if theyre called carrier killers. Now that i think its the df 21. And so it and, and they also have a, they also can introduced into their warfare scheme. Another thing that we dont even talk about not select, electromagnetic pulse, weapon weaponry. And they practice for that, we do not. And i think that that is Something Else that they can use against our, our, our combat um a terriers and our in our ships, by the way, they have a greater a much larger navy and than, than, than, than the United States. And the only way the United States to get there is by ship and they were come in half, half way around the world. And as a consequence, the, the chinese just have to lie and wait in. And its because its sitting, its their domain, their territory. So its, its, so we have this once again shows aggression. Im very concerned that what you still have people at the top of the state department in the biden administration, who are the accounts that are, that are calling the shots. Theyre unrelenting, they want, they want containment, both for china and russia. Thats a consequence. We have driven both china and russia into a much greater military alliance. As a consequence, john in new york, you want to jump in, go ahead. Yeah, just we, we have military bases in the region, so certainly we have the power to project. There are quite easily, i mean of course we do have to bring a lot by ship, but we already have a lot of. Busy military assets in the region, so we could fight a war. Yes, we could find a war with china. Its going to be extremely destructive, but we could fight it in india in the region. Well, i dont know that japan. I dont know that japan and the other country and south korea that, that host are basis, want to get involved in the war in china and i, thats a really good point. Let me go to martin right now that the, you know, the, the, the entangling alliances, the u. S. Has, which is inherently dangerous. If theres an attack on japan, then thats one thing. If theres an attack on australia, its another thing. But taiwan is a very different thing because even the us recognizes that taiwan is part of china. That is the very basis of establishing diplomatic relations back in 79. Martin go ahead. Which is why i dont, i dont think dont. I dont personally, i dont think that going for war and ill stand aside to, to with your other committees. I think theyre looking for a state of emergency and i think this is going to be a huge Public Relations exercise where their heart but martin that when that, thats what the here where says in these hot heads one, the chinese may react very, very differently to that dont lose think, well, yes, this is, it was a great danger. That was great, genji knew crane with russia and the graduate china is miscalculation in how much confidence do you place in the biden administration, not. Well then this calculation was great because there was no interaction is great because you also have the chinese wanting good. Theyre going to have their communist party or a big brouhaha coming up and its easy and ping needs to get there reelected for a 3rd term. So hes definitely gonna take a very hard stand i, but i think, i think i think that with this, this thing is going to happen over a few weeks. And i actually believe being british of believe the americans are also waiting for this trust to be voted in conservative liter. Sometimes september. Shes very gun her on china foolishly. She really believes that, you know, we can really take a belligerent, very bellicose attitude militarily, with the chinese, which is hilarious, frankly. But i think, wonder if this is all something was being planned over several weeks, several months. You mentioned earlier about was in the summer, you know, as a journalist, i was find it somewhat ironic, somewhat amusing that so many was a planned over the summer. And if youve ever wondered why is my theory, i think the plans are in the sun because i get maximum press coverage because of all the parliaments around the world shut down during most of august, the 1st or 2nd week of september. So theres lots of space in the newspapers, stories for inclusive correspondence. When we go to the mentioned, we may go to china, new york. I mean, i, this is another elite agenda here. Ukraine has been a manufactured, elite agenda. We all have to care about your grade, even though most people dont. Okay. And now the same thing here with, with china, and with really bizarre for me is that this is nancy. Pelosi is farewell to where shes saying good bye. Youve been traveling a lot lately. You know, when she has time off from january 6. Okay. But i mean, shes saying good bye and the by the administration is not on the same page for the house. Ive never seen such a hardship in my life. Go ahead jump. In this situation, the american political impish reminds me of the soviet political and best, and the early eighties that geron accuracy. Your people are very, very old to, were really not aware of what was happening in the country or in the, in the wider world. So its maybe this whole problem. I mean, to large extent, i think theyre working with the wrong information, specifically about ukraine. I had a conversation recently with people who are pro ukrainian for the war and ukraine. And they really believe that, oh, he just fight a little bit longer. Russia will collapse, crushes, and the weak rushes the giant with the feet of clay, they really believe that theyre working with false information. And i wonder what information the white house and con, congressional leaders are working with regarding china, maybe its something similar. Maybe they think china is weak. Now is the moment to strike. Lets push them. Lets humiliate them. Lets show them whose boss or maybe really these people just again. All right, im going to jump in here. Gentlemen, were going to go to a short break. 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I know post kit cost to get the group when you on yesterday with dr. New flison cuckoo disposal a delusion. The food of with lucel includes rios with welcome back across stock were all things to consider and im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing the wes miscalculations with okay, go back to michael in washington. The unipolar moment, just didnt last long enough, apparently for these neocons here. And ive been thinking for a very long time. Im watching what happened in with, with libya. What happened with syria now with ukraine and maybe on the menu is now china. Is that the, you know, polar moment and had gemini, its dissipating for the United States. Do you think its possible that theyre seeing . And this is at a certain juncture where russia is very preoccupied, obviously with ukraine and the chinese. They only see them getting stronger and stronger and stronger. Its still, its considered east trap, and the u. S. As could possibly think wed have to take them on now or at least intimidate them. Does that make sense to you . Go ahead, michael. Yeah, i think were, i think the what the, the near constant in the, in the, by the ministration. See this says there less desperate effort to, to, to, to contain both russia, china. They see that this is the grand span, last grand stand up of to, for the 2 to preserve their unipolar world order because they see this multi polar world order emerging. And its emergency very rapidly. And i might add it accelerating because of actions by the United States itself, through the sink, through the weapon, the zation of sanctions. A gets everybody out there these days seems even against our allies and their companies. So its, its, its turning the world into a whole different world that we knew just a few years ago. And as a consequence, this multi polar world order now is beginning to accelerate. For example, the bricks, countries, theyre, theyre, theyre, theyre, theyre going to be getting new members here shortly. I was just informed this morning by a very reliable source that some of the air countries now want to join bricks. Thats quite significant. Thats in addition to saudi arabia and, and, and, and, and by, by bricks i mean, brazil, russia, india, china, south africa. They, you know, when you bring those countries together, they constitute more than half the population of the world. And thats the merge the emerging of multi polar world order, the United States. Now seeds itself competing against economic play a politically and militarily. Well in the end. And martin does is a complete lack of trust and faith in the west. Any more, i mean, using the, the dollar, its a weapon. I mean, its one of the stupidest things ive seen in my lifetime and you, you should cherish that as the global p, a currency, but no, they denigrated people dont wanted. Why get involved in these institutions where you could be held hostage to look what they did to venezuelas gold for goodness sake. All right. It seems to me that china has learned very rapidly what the, with the, the, the west, under the leadership of the u. S. Will do in the case of ukraine and chinas learn what to do and what not to do, and theyre prepared. One thing, i will say the russians have repaired for what had happened in ukraine, and i truly believe the chinese are prepared. I dont see anybody in washington, other than bluster being prepared, go head martin, you know, showing off repair and when they have been prepared for a long time because theyve seen from the offset this relationship between the western china as its limits. I mean, the west cant decide whether it wants to make china massive trading partner or a g, a political enemy, or a mix of the to, you know, the little confusion that but i think as more or more as this trade deficit with america, broaders and china cells much, much more trade goods in america, the american exports to china, but its going to obviously become a problem, a certain point. The, the mentioned before bricks is very relevant. What were seeing is shina having much more competence. Now, as these countries are starting lineup to join bricks so that, you know, if there is ever such a threat to china, the big question is, were trying to even stand alone or would other countries quickly rosters defense in the regions . Well, such as iran, for example, which has massive military capability. So i think the world is changing, you know, and were living in a new age where america and the west has to accept that theres a new world order emerging. And it is from the east, and its, you know, its our own fault. Weve insisted on creating this new on coast, which is going up. And if you look at around the world, youll see more importantly in my view, theres a number of non aligned countries. Countries who were forced more or less these days. Those countries in africa cells to do any more, you know, the very, very interesting being ukraine war, we saw Something Like so Different Countries abstained to the of those to basically kick russia and 16 of those countries from countries. Another 6 didnt even vote a tool. So that was a very, very clear indication, right from the offset. The world is changing and a lot of these african countries will stay on the line because they believe that this new world order is not going to get tricked by it. Again, theyre not gonna be forced into position where they have to choose one side of the other. They want to stay neutral. But i think many of them, when they see whats going on with the west, china will start also to look at ways of how they can impress bricks and so not to be prompt, become members of bricks as well. So the east is growing and everything the west us just seems to be like shooting itself in the foot every minute of it. Oh wow. It really is. This really is an extra moment here, john, because theres a continuing. What would martin was saying here that the, the west cannot accept that the world is changing in ways that they cant control. And that is really the dilemma right now. When you look at joseph parales blog. I mean, hes just a madman. He has no idea whats going on in the world, and hes running the u. S. Foreign policy list truss. I mean she, she couldnt fight her way out of a paper bag. Okay. And then you have your joe biden, the king of them all. I mean, and the world is changing in a rapid pace, and they have no comprehension of it. And thats what makes them truly dangerous. Go ahead, john. What does the west have to offer the world . They go war instruction a girl. Lets look at the past when years. Its been war and destruction. Iraq, libya, syria, canister. And what is the Main Organization for the collective west . Its nato. Its a military alliance. Whats the Main Organization . Lets say for the other side, its bricks. Its an Economic Development organization. So we see on one side is a highly, militaristic, Dangerous Organization civilization the west rung, as you said by very old and unhinged people on one side. On the other side is a block that wants Economic Development to respect National Sovereignty. And to foster mutually beneficial economic relations to nominate non align country. Who am i going to choose the unhinged militarist or the side that wants Economic Development and National Sovereignty . John yeah, you should. You should be very careful with your words, john, because youre going to be cancelled very, very quickly for is talking pragmatic sense. Ok. Sovereignty. Oh, my god, i havent heard bad on the Mainstream Media for decades now, but thats exactly michael, that, thats really whats going on here. Is that you it the, the, its a whirl and then theres a literature on the world beyond the west. It, and not only is, it was a literature 20 years ago. Its a reality now. And that is something europe in the americans, and theyre in their friends, in nato world, in the like japan and australia, et cetera. They cant seem to find their way how they can fit into it. I mean, we, we, we had some of the u. K coming out. You know, theyre going to be definitely, im sorry, was a german chancellor. While i referred to a Sergeant Schultz condemning my china and supporting taiwan, i mean, no surprise there. No, and, and i, i can tell you that the, the i saw this when i was at the defense department. Im when central asia 1st opened up, it was like a whole new world, a whole new universe out there that i had never known about and, and where, and that was the that constituted the east that the, the east your asia, a bad accent here that we have is, is something that we, the west has no concept of, and were seeing that today. I might add that in addition to bricks. Were also seeing the belt road initiative. Yeah. It has begun to spawn. And, and now its reaching into latin america. Its into africa, its all across eurasia. And that combined with the Eurasia Economic Union bricks, belton road. I mean, thats formidable economic engine that, that the United States now is very, very concerned about and finds very threatening. And thats what they cant go up against a little insight, michael. Michael, that jacks the position is, i just want more bases around the world. I mean, if we can take africa, for example, you know, the us shelves, its my building, you know, bases, you know, the chinese Economic Development that we can argue and debate that what kind of Economic Development. But theyre far more interested in prosperity becoming rich. And let me go back to a martin american, you know, thats what the west stood for security dignity, the rule of law prosperity. All of those are going away right in front of our eyes. So what kind of model is it for anyone in the world now go ahead america . Did they really stand for those values . I mean, perhaps they did. There was a tiny moment perhaps in the early sixtys, when most of those countries in africa became independent on the clone owns the suits and relationships they handle their colonial masters. But im not sure if any of these values mean anything any more to these countries. You know, i mean, when the African Leaders often complain when he comes with them, that he gives a speech about human rights when china comes to them open schools and hospitals like thats really basic summing up. You know, these, most of these countries im looking to china now to be the new lead to invest money. You know, some like 3000000000. 00 or for an investment just last year in the african continent from china is pretty impressive. Like a lot, thats much less than the americans, you know, to china is really the real player in africa now. And i think this is going to be real, a real determination and a tipping point. Now in this new will finish off with tom, were almost out of time. Do you think the chinese are afraid of woke pentagon . No, not, not at all. Im sure they welcome it very much. So i do not think the u. S. Is unable to fight with china. We will lose. We do not have. We might have the technology in the, in the armaments, in the weapons. We do not have the will. Would you not have the mind that we do not have the brilliance like we used to have we will lose. Yeah. When i and, and tom, you know, where is Public Opinion here again, another major comp a nobody is consulted. No, theres no debate, but just the elite debate on, on the networks and thats a cable. And thats all the debate and people we may be going into a major conflict. And no one consulted the people. And they say, say the debate is between a talker. See and democracy, its rubbish here, gentlemen. Thats all the time we have a want to thank my guest in washington, new york and america. And what i think our viewers for watching us here to see you next time, remember ah, ah, with initially talking just look up from literally a muscle on noon. She, judy doesnt being in the green shield on a nice to me as chris, you mama cook gus goose creek to 70. Tim cut that to his ashy of dc. 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I g with the letter from, you know, where, where did you have regarding joe, by imposing the sanctions on russia, you know, has destroyed the american economy. So theres your boomerang with new footage shaped by chinese media, reveals china preparing for military exercises in the tie. One straight that says you had to help you can manage to close to the official visit to type high, despite numerous warnings from beijing trying to strongly condemn the possess, saying of always a lutely, defend its territorial integrity and accuses the u. S. Of provocation. This again proves that some us politicians have become the troublemakers of china. Us relations in the u. S. Has become the number one saboteur of the peace instability of the taiwan strait