Transcripts For RT CrossTalk 20221102 : vimarsana.com

This house has been reduced to rubble by the ukrainian artillery locals. Hope that this soon will become a thing of the past from on call for. If archie vulnerable her, the nest republic with the you are in the Climate Congress due to saw this week in the difference city a shall shake some african nations, a founding of the alarm over lack of funding to tackle environmental challenges. Because so country of good bond says affluent nations have failed to deliver on their promises. Over and over again, developed nations have committed and not delivered. Theyve committed to reduce emissions and theyre not delivering sufficiently, theyve committed to funding and that funding doesnt ever seem to materialize. We didnt create the problem. And so you would expect a more sincere engagement from developed nations, and you would expect them to respect their word and their engagements. Meanwhile, the new british Prime Minister refused to knock, apparently, is trying to say face, as he is said to be reconsidering his previous decision on not attending the un conference in egypt. First off that he received significant backlash from the International Community and his own conservative party, the case environment secretary has tried to dismiss that rigid fuel by saying it would be quote, just a gathering not a formal summit. But egypt says that 90 heads of states have confirmed their attendance investigative journalist, i am co founder of the insight factor more the bit madiba says there are forces at play who do what africa to be prosperous or substantially developed. It goes bends. When we saw june that the co, 19 pandemic, we know how the exit to make seems were we can issue, you know, i mean african countries a shot to get into a world reflection today. So i think this is an imbalance when it comes to, to, to, to, to door, to the weight develop mission view and the development. I think the way the waste is perceived as being a, somehow to keep it. And the developed, you know, because i think i developed africa, its going to cause major problems and the waste on one to contribute to that placement. So they part of, most of the power nation that they know we contributed to the economy or countries like france, like with, you know, at the expense of our own african countries. So i think the waste would love to see epic and develop a like china and russia. Mean, if you look at the growing presence of russia and china on the continent, its one or rather would, its one of helping each other out is why dont finding projects that benefit. But if you dont think the way all the Fund Projects that theyre going to benefit from that can project and then the opportunity to sign 9899, you use it for them to own those resources. For example, while that wraps up, this is our next doing pretty laval on for thought. Ill be back at the top with hello and welcome to cross back or all Things Considered on people about promot prior to february 24th. Ukraine was just another Eastern European countries since then. The complex ukraine has created deep divisions all across europe and beyond. Russia today virtually have no common ground. This may be the case for a very long time, becomes the cross talking europe in russia divided. Im joined by my guess the bush mileage in washington. Hes a blogger and calmness in brick. We have lucas gauge. He is a us mc veteran author and philosopher. And in london, we cross the real canter. He is a founder of a consulting and a Foreign Affairs analyst, or a gentleman, cross rules and effects. That means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate the boy sure, let me go to you 1st. We have the, the german president and trust fund meyer says at berlin and moscow are now opponents. He describes rushes, a military operation in ukraine as a watershed. Now by kind of got me thinking, because in the early 2, thousands when we, when the war in afghanistan started, there was a Public Opinion polls one some university. And they asked the afghans does 911 mean anything to you, the date, 911. And like 98 percent of the people who ask and said, nope, doesnt mean much to me at all. The reason why im bringing this up is that stein meyer again, with this kind of neo colonial attitude, the world must accept the wests date and what it considers to be. Watersheds we have to, the whole world has to run on their calendar. Because i mean, if youre looking at ukraine, i think a lot of people and ukraine, and particularly in russia, would say, i think we had to go back to the Clinton Administration with nato expansion here. Why am i bringing this . Because that we have a parallel ways we have different narratives, and when one narrative does not accept it, there is another alternative narrative to understanding something. We have a deadlock and thats what we have now with the west in russia. Thoughts, my friend go. I mean, im on the records that the actual watershed was in 1999 when nato decided to expand and bomb yugoslavia, thereby obliterating any pretence that actually cared about international law. And thats literally the time where it last, russia, for all intents and purposes, i mean, this is, this is all documented its, its a wealth, well documented hypothesis. So what were seeing today are the consequences of this, of these actions that there, this is not something that you know just happened yesterday. I know that a lot of people in the west including shy meyer have the memories of squirrels of, on amphetamines. But, you know, the world didnt start yesterday and, you know, choices have consequences and im sorry, but as somebody whos from a country that got invaded by nazi germany in world war 2, for germans to say anything about, you know, opponents and this, and that, and the other, especially after their own experience with russia over the past 2 centuries is just too rich. I mean, you can, can you even make one of this stuff . You know, used to be that the germans had to go to stalingrad to freeze to death and now they can just sit at home. And thats not because of russia, its because theyre all stupid policies. They built their entire economy on access to russian energy. And then they cut it off despite themselves. Well look how well thats going for them. Well, and the boy should make him stay with you. Sergeant schultz. Thats how i referred to him on this program. When he was in moscow before the complex started and they were talking about ethnic cleansing in the dumbass, he laughed again. German laughing it, ethnic cleansing. Its something that it should. Its just an becoming of a german leader here. Let me go to lucas in the same vein here. When i look at, you know, responsible state craft in some articles in the american conservative. And they love the, is this word unprovoked unprovoked. But this goes back, it wasnt a boy she was talking about. If you dont have to go too far to see that this was intentionally provoked, lucas. Yes, i mean these words are engineered. If you ask me, thats my opinion on this whole thing. They know opens gonna respond and know what to push his buttons and the western media start with. He invaded, thats when they started that and the most people thing, oh my god, he invaded unprovoked. Why did he do . This is a madman. Hes going to take all of you crate is going to take all of europe. Weve heard these narratives before. So most people have no idea that the truth is this is going on for a long time. As he mentioned earlier, and you know, the shelling and on bossed at the cleansing of the reach, which is being denied by the german people there. And here we go, is repeating the same wise again, thats unprovoked. When in reality, the miss agreements, the, the shelling of the people there, the ethnic cleansing, the, making it illegal to speak. Russia. I mean, thats how can i not be ethnic cleansing, right . Theres, well, these are all facts, undisputed facts. So when the west is starting the narrative with, he invaded for no reason of that hes a madman. Theyre lying to everyone and our fortune. Europeans are going to suffer this winter because of these lies that their leaders are telling them the same wise has sent me to iraq and other regions in the middle east as well. With all my fellow marines, i think a fight in afghanistan, or whatever the case them that same wise against the saw is the same script, Different Actors thats overseeing here. But andrea, if we, if we can say, would be an provoked element here. Well, if you assume that something is unprovoked, then you cannot negotiate because you promote you, you did this intentionally, you woke up in the morning and suddenly you want to invade a country, hear it because of the narrative here. You can even begin to think about negotiations because your narrative is predicated on something that is absolutely false. Go ahead in london. Im, well, i agree. I mean the, the purpose, the whole purpose of this, linguistic, i love this. Linguistic um, you know, attempts to to, to somehow condemn bratia and portray, i put in as a madman, serve the one purpose of not, you know, im coming to the table and having me full discussion with russia. Because if we assume all, if we paint a full all, all over a hostile country, in our opinion as being you know, a mad and irrational, theres no incentive to have any discussion. But what is lacking in this role, ukrainian, russian, this course is the entire conflict and ukraine is a small piece of a larger picture. It is not about the ukraine. We know that in 2014 on this conflict has been frozen after now the annexation, or of crimea by russia. We know that this conference was brewing for 8 years, but this a conflict is a part of a larger of larger pictures. Ive said it is a that the picture is that the u. S. For germany is fading. The power of United States is fading. And we know that the new actors and new a Power Centers are managing us prisoner by the near putting right be sent during the by Discussion Club and at ukraine. Its used as a tool to clench the, the unit polo moment that is long gone. The same applies to taiwan. So at these flashing points in asia, which relates to taiwan and, and, and, and in eastern europe, ukraine are the flushing points where United States is trying to, im a somehow provoked the major powers like russia and china, to engage them in the army. Continuous lea, a fighting approx, the war with its allies in europe or in asia. And somehow by some time for the us policy makers to figure out how they can prolong the address already. Dont, dont forget their arms makers. Ok, thats a key element, and all of this here, one gripped, replaces another graph garrison to ukraine, here. And the boy should let me go back to you here. I mean, im very curious, you know, so is it worth losing russia to get ukraine and what ukraine are they getting . I mean, i find these, you know, these conferences about rebuilding ukraine, you know, 10 year plan and all about. They have no idea what theyre talking about, what ukraine is going to be. Do you think the 4 regions that have joined russia are going to suddenly return . I dont go ahead and washington. Well theres, theres always these reconstruction conferences and you mentioned griffith earlier. This is one another for ro, griffin. I mean, i remember in bosnia they were doing reconstruction and youre talking about reconstruction a year before the war ended. How do you rebuild the things that can that keep getting destroyed on a daily basis . Thats insane. You cant plan for reconstruction until the war is over. And theres this, this particular war shows no sign of ending the least because western trenches, it could end tomorrow. If washington thats actually pulling the financial and political strings of kiev said ok enough, but it wont. The kit, so what do we even talking about . No, we did the reconstruction conferences there just another Money Laundering scheme. This one benefiting the n g o is instead of the weapons makers. But its, its, its not the, as i said, the west las russia years ago. Theyre not aware of this, but that will happen. And what theyre trying to do here is theyre following the playbook of a long dead polish rooster phobe, who imprinted his hatred of russia on right on u. S. Foreign policy. And the, one of the clearest indictments of letting immigrants anywhere near delivers of power in washington as big since he claimed that russia cannot be an empire if it doesnt have ukraine, and therefore it follows that the u. S. The global head, you much must control ukraine to prevent it from happening. And thats exactly what the, what the washington political establishment has been obsessed with. You know, what, thats written device. I mean, im glad you brought that up because imbedded in that is the assumption that russia wants to be an empire. These, i mean even the predicate, it caves in on it. So, because by projecting by, say, russia, bob, to be an empire. No, its they maintain american hegemony. Thats what theyre saying in that has nothing to do with russia. Its about maintaining american germany. Go finish up before we go to the break. No. Obviously i never calls didnt fusion ski smart. I just, i just said he was obsessed with hating russia, and thats exactly what this was motivated by. Well, absolutely. Lets let me go to gauge here gauge. I want to talk about last minute here, and then i want to talk about the 2nd half of the program and nothing about ukraine without ukraine. Does that mean to you . Well, i mean, its a, its a suicidal narrative. You asked me. I dont think the greenest went on their own at all. And if theyre going to put it all in, i feel like the death tolls will go higher. Thats why i think we should be pushing for peace right now. To prevent that from happening and russia has been saying, hey, lets sit down and talk other than the regions that have been annexed. But the referendum we can sit down and talk and create peace right now, but washington wont let it happen. The ukrainians are already basically enslaved by dc. Lets be honest here. Theyre not a free democracy as theyre claiming them. Well, i mean, but i think they, they dont mind this, this kind of kept heavy and i will explain in the 2nd half of the problem gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break after lunch break. Well continue our discussion on europe in russia divided. Stay with our team. Ah, look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders at conflict with the 1st law show your identification. We should be very careful about personal intelligence at that point, obviously is too great trust rather than fear a job with artificial intelligence. Real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with oh, well connect across stock, were all things are considered. Im purely beltran and you were discussing europe and russia divided. Ah okay, go back to, i guess theyre not in a row i. Its very interesting that nothing about ukraine without ukraine space to say that about poland. I think you remember that. Ok, so its kind of recycled phrase here. And its a meaningless phrase here because there is no leverage that the ukrainians have whatsoever. The of the Ukrainian Military for all intensive purposes was destroyed during the summer. Now it is a nato war against russia. So its, its very much a fig leaf here. And its an excuse for washington and london, the most, russo phobic place on the planet not to sit down with the russians. Because as weve already said in the program unprovoked in all that, you know, you can sit down and negotiate with someone that provokes a war, which of course, in the bush has already talked about the 20th century example here. So this is an intentional strategy. I can see how it could possibly work to their advantage. Oh, but let me remember its the europeans who will suffer the most for it. While that is so magnanimous from your transatlantic friends in washington go ahead. In london, when i mean this is a fact the anglo sphere, i would say all the u. K. American block, or i would say the u. K. American establishment is using our ukraine and people as a counselor in order to achieve its geopolitical objectives and goals. Ah, but i mean for, i cant go beyond the political, a risk between the west and, and, and russia. We have to bear in mind that this has a tremendous. Im cultural consequences. I mean, ive spent last month in brussels and having a discussion with young policy makers. This has a huge impact how the social engineering of future russo falls off, admitting ukrainian people who are still a believing in those lies that the russians are dependence. And it will have an impact, you know, well beyond this conflict if it, if the, if this ends. So i think that the social engineering, you know, its, its made by purpose because you will, you will have on, on your board or whether it is in poland or other european countries. A huge influx of the ukrainian people who are living within the hour, animosity towards russia, so it will not end this year or next year. It will have it, will that have an impact on the next generations to come, so that it will never be a peace in ukraine or in between ukraine or russia. Im, im not sure what were supposed to. I q in order to heal this one. But at this moment, from what ive observed in europe, is that the, this has a tremendous psychological and Cultural Impact on people in europe and in the way a lot in boise. I mean obviously the ukranian people are the sacrificial lamb and all this. But i would say europe is also okay, because its the, again, you know, as youve already said, you know, the europe is prosperity came from cheap russian energy. Well, they dont want it. It, thats their choice. You know, it, you know, blame the russians. No, its your sanctions that are doing and its not what russians though, has done. Its the sanctions, the boyish and so on that europe itself is a net loser and all of this. But i think that address is absolutely right. It create the, the, the problems that europe is going to experience in the, in the future is going to be blamed on russia. But its actually policy makers in washington. Well, so theres, theres couple of things where here, 1st of all, its uniquely evil that the global empire is basically doing everything it can to poison the well for generations while claiming it wants peace. What address just describe this literally poisoning the well making sure that, that this, this hatred of russia perseveres in ukrainians in europe for, for decades or centuries or even forever. Secondly, it had him on would claim the right to rule on the basis that its when we provide some kind of prosperity or order. Neither of which isnt evidence that the, the american empire is literally plunging europe into poverty and darkness. Literally, for the sake of maintaining its primacy over the world, which is arguably yes, fading and trying to blame russia for it and the european politicians. If not, the populace actually agrees. I mean, you have the German Foreign minister saying, i dont care what my german voters think, i promise to support ukraine and i will, i will live up to that promise. So thats number 2. Number 3. The whole, nothing about you create with ukraine is its a, its a phrase calculated to provoke thoughts about the munich agreement of 938. 00 because in the minds of the washington establishment, every day is new, unique, every enemy hits their kind of stuck in this in perpetuity like a weird groundhog day. But the issue is that, im sorry if youre paying for all of your cranes bills, not just the military ones, but civilian ones. If youre literally propping up the regime, then youre responsible for them not the other way round. And trying to say, oh, well, so lensky disagrees is, is a way to doc responsibility. This is the way, this is the ultimate device to project accountability away from people who actually have it. And i would argue that among those people as victorian newland whos in charge of you up at the state department and we all know what she thinks about you. Thanks that at 20, intercepted full conversation, which i cant repeat in a Family Friendly channel. So we all know what it is. Ok, look at it, let me go to you and break here. One of the interesting things is that this fanfare of no negotiate. So lets get it signed a decrease, no negotiations were put in. Ok. I mean it, thats such a strategic error and maybe its, hes just a said naga for washington because then from the russian side then, well, theres no one to call. Theres no, theres no interlocutor. So theyre going to continue what theyre going to do and the ground is getting hard. I can tell you its cold now the 1st real cold day in moscow. And its only going to get colder. And the Russian Military knows how to fight in the winter. I, history has shown that ok, nato well will find out, i suppose. Okay. But you know, by saying no negotiations, well then rushes war aims will discontinue. I mean, no one wants to talk about it. I mean it is, its full hardy, but this is what they want to do because they want a virtue signal. But again, how does that help ukrainians . How does it help you repeat and during the winter, go ahead, lucas doesnt at all. And i would already, this is, this is purposely engineered and you know, the argument is what we cant trust and hes just not, hes going to go back and whatever. He says hes offering piece. Its nonsense. Well, if that were the case, if your cleanings are smart about it, they would sit down and have peace talks and then he would break them. But they know he wouldnt break them. So thats why they cant have the piece talk. So we have to keep pushing for this fight that they cannot possibly win. And all of europe is going to suffer for work. And here in america already suffering, our gas prices are ridiculous. Were running on a diesel. What do we have to do with this work . For special interests, obviously, and there you go. So, you know, d. C is pulling the strings again, ukraine is already gone. You know, theyre not free at all. If you ask me there, i guess, proxy war slave snake for the u. S. Nato and the you and, you know, i dont, this is going to end. Well, it all, in fact, us as the russians have mobilized here, comes the winter. Now the gloves are off, you know, after the terrorist attacks of the criminal branch after the assassination of their to do again. You know, how can the russians play nice anymore . They cant, and they have to do whats necessary to neutralize you create, not destroy it. And kill everyone but to neutralize it, make sure it doesnt become this or stay this proxy. When a fortune has my colleagues have mentioned, they have already impulse, theyve already basically conditioned the people to hate russians even if this were to end tomorrow unfortunately. And thats how these people engineered these conflicts for decades and forever, essentially. And you have to fight against ation in london. You know, you know, you hear this, me, him all the time. You know, you cant make it negotiations with the russians here all the time. Ok, but you know, most people havent heard about it in the west because media supply and, but the mince processing of who didnt fulfill their commitments to the mince process. It was the west. Ok. Im actually in fact if ukraine had fulfilled to minsk agreements, they would have been in net winner and all of this because they didnt do it. Theyre a net loser. Go ahead in london. I absolutely agree with your pizza, but we also have to, ah, bear in mind of the very big, very beginning of this year. Russia wanted a security guarantees from United States and from the west lodge. But it, this wasnt provided to russia, which means the, you know, this conflict was unavailable. You know, unavoidable from, from, from the western perspective. Everything was, you know, going into that direction to, to somehow a provoke russia onto, to react to, to, to, to, to, to madeline on, on, on the, on his borders. So this goes back to what i said before the on or before the break, that the, with the russian government will neutralize ukraine. It doesnt matter because you will have a contingent of people, graham, people, whether it isnt poland, or united kingdom, who grew up with a tricity towards russia. So it is engine, it, whether it will be, you know, government in exile in london. It whether it will be a government in exile in poland, you will, has a ukrainian pro problem for the civil future. So this, this doesnt look very well because if you, if you talk to anyone in western europe, the people are afraid of the fact that their Foreign Policy and National Interest has been hijacked by the ukrainian goals. So you, you cant have your, your legitimate National Interest. These are the russia as a german, as a french person, or as a citizen of a budget. Because everything has been hijacked by the, by the ukraine course. And it has been imposed by the washington d. C. And, and, and, and geopolitical lose like a friedman all labs, as you see. So i, it is, this is very frightened. It is very frightening because man, no country has, has its own legitimate inches of the moment. All these interests are not taking into consideration, and even when we see people who are protesting on the streets of, of the western europe, they are being labeled by the mainstream price as a 5th column of, of the russian propaganda. So this is outrageous and, and this will cook, recreate, wrist, a few trips between society and the under governments. Yeah. Well, you know, it will, i, i very much agree with you this generational thing this coming in because its, its social programming here. But at the end of the day, we can discuss it. But almost out of time here, russia is going to be just fine without europe. But europe is not going to be just fine without russia. And well get there. Going to find that out the hard way because not just one hard winter, maybe 5 hard winters ahead and who, who is going to be pay, who is going to make money off it. Their patron in the us, an oil companies, or a gentleman. Thats all the time we have want to thank my guess and watch it in break and in london. And thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t c. You next time, remember, crossed up with ah, a on high alert, amid reports that i did to by drew monitoring installations near the border with the break way off of a region a you and on fire in the democratic republic of congo, claims that un peacekeepers, vehicles have been involved with me, she was thinking to remarket for gold in south africa and its the 2nd hand you left and the register