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One of the most difficult things to do when youre considering becoming a whistleblower is taking on a giant international conglomerate. They have armies of lawyers, they often times have infiltrated government. They can afford to ignore local laws and just pay fines on the rare occasions that theyre caught violating the law or somebodys rights. And if an employee dares to confront them to take them on, especially in public, then its often times an all out of war to destroy the whistleblower. Thats exactly what our next guest faced. Im john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 we are joined today by a major or International Business whistleblower. Shes going to tell us about her whistle blowing revelations in their aftermath, working against samsung in south africa. Its a story that will sound familiar to you. A story about waste, fraud abuse and illegality. But what makes this whistle . Blowers so important is what she chose to do. In the aftermath of her whistle blowing, she began assisting many sting capture and corporate whistle blowers through their own experiences. She set up an information south africa whistle blowing community after suffering from post Traumatic Stress disorder. As a result of her own was blowing, including suicidal ideation. She set out to help others in the same positions. And like so many other whistle blowers, she suffered personal isolation and financial ruin. And friends and family members ostracized her that spurred her to become involved with whistle blowers, u. K, and whistle blowers of america, notably in the area of Mental Health for whistleblowers. She now lectures and trains individuals and companies on ethics and integrity and business, and she has contributed to a best selling book on these issues. June bellamy, welcome to the show. Thank you, john. Thanks for the platform. Facebook. The time june, it seems to me that the most important work youve done is that work that youve done since you blowing the whistle. So lets begin with your time that samsung. What kind of work were you doing there . What wrong doing . Did you see . And what did you do about it . It has started so satisfying me. 2013. And i was at the digital camera of china for about 3 and a half years. And then that division closed. And i was given a different options to moving to the tv provision or the Service Division. And i chose the Sales Division to become the enter key trainer and, and ill stick to todays role and be quite t and d r. We now was in that position, there was a lot of talk about the direct at the time and needed to them for me is im and bullying o o b use different intake stick with going on in the, in the department. And being used to the apartment, you know, you dont want to lock the box, you just want to keep your heat down and get the job done. And they were just too many people saying the same thing. And it was very early on the game and some of the Service Division partners, the franchise tools that started raising sleggs with me. And this prompted me to look into what they were talking about. And it was, it was in 2017 in june that i decided to play the muscle actually on the face of gee. And i believe it was so around various Company Policies that were being breached by this director. And just to give you a little bit of backstory in 2013, when i joined since they had just initiate the 0 tolerance policy on will supply. So the was 0, toner is for any and this must behavior. So any breaks you know, for each of the policy is very, is what punched me to do this because youre on a yeah, they train you, we will protect to supplies if you see something, say something. So that is what i did in the information. One of the key pieces of information that was given to me i ended are the because other people would to stage and to actually handle the other. So there is a myriad of different pieces of information. Ill also be on 2 different platforms. I did it in person and i utilize the circle, confidential hacked law. And uh, both of those eben use at piedmont, i d, g and came looking for me. It was which opposes direct contradiction to all list of main companies. Policies that they will not come off. Tammy k. H, was that, what was the immediate fall out from your whistle blowing . How did the company react . So i will see you on the face of g, and i actually went on either weeks, studies and weeks holiday. By the time i got back, the retaliation started straight away. I started getting emails from the i saw departments and my medias managers and telling me to stop in stock seen the stop. I guess this particular director i need, if you went to the order Team Division because samsung, his internal ordered team to park with thats how they manage the will supply. And i see im be targeted. Im being retained the i to the games. You have to do something you have to protect me and be response to me was sorry, but youll have to get yourself to know. Yeah. And ill just actually the set of goss because that was, is complete contradiction to all of the years. All we will protect you the thing thats important tonight. Yeah. And this is something that happens with most of that. And you often dont know what you dont know in the moment, and it was only 20. 19 off that being dismissed, i was dismissing 2018 of your life, say that, you know, people had left the company and they gave me evidence and information that the company was covering at fault products. And it was, this particular was director that was part and parcel of this whole kind of rep. So they chose to protect him and not myself because the business is a brand same, so was covering a faulty product. So the retaliation was immediate. And everybody and everybody knew thing that i was well supplied. The director was supply, sorry, the direction you that i was was supplied by median supervisors and asked feedback next. Yeah. The guess slips bullied ostracized. And you know, do you work stub changes . I was just a tech to different man is and at the time you dont have the language in there. Any reason i can talk about this now is because ive learned so much about it now. Im not what, hes toxic tactics. All that and a surrounding the retaliation and the guess locking in the marketing. And one of those, one of those things that happens, he said when he mediates and there was no protection is perhaps more important than your direct whistle blowing. And i say this because of the good works that have come out of your experience was what happened after you blew the whistle . You went through what most whistle blowers go through. You suffered social isolation, you were ruined financially. And you suffered from depression and suicide, a lady ation. Weve all been there and its terrible. How did you get through those initial rough days . And i think john, its, you know, rather kosta and its been a lot of trial and the era and one of my saving graces uh, is that i was study mindfulness at the time just before i was really, i signed up to do it to you a month on the schools and they gave me a lot of awareness, a movie, and as of myself and my emotions, what i was going through it was it gave me tools to manage it better in the states, week by week. As i was reading that, i would have a read this experience at work, and then i could apply those tools. But more than next month situations a little bit different because im single, im a married. So i didnt have a partner to come home to united states, discuss things with i made a conscious decision about a yeah, into this not to involve my immediate fame, my other, you know, my siblings because the trauma was too much, the stress was too much. So ill pull a lot of the myself and a knowing and the determined that it would have one of the things that i have been doing in um, so im glad im doing this is reaching out. So i did start reaching out for support. Uh, we started a small list of like 450 south africa, i mean reached out to jake gary and in my mindful of compassion with my self compassion. I was attending a weekly session every tuesday with complete strangers that know nothing about most of larry, but its that support structure was the to listen and just hold space. And the tricky thing to navigate. Yeah. Is that when youre going to all these different scenarios, sometimes you have positives and then you have negatives. And women with success, you say it gets to that suicidal ideation. Its being able to literally just keep that moments in next day. Focus on whats happening right now. Because theres nothing you can do because of the depression, the financial, the summation, its literally just getting to learn from on that side. Im very lucky because as recently as september last year is when i was by myself at 2 oclock in the morning top, you know my suicide later. So how you get through it is you have to degree d to get that resilience and reach out you need to reach out to somebody, anybody, even if its just the suicide health lives of use them, a lot ending alternates and my resources. So at the end of the food and, and people with the whole page because it is a lot to carry. And it is a lot for people to maintain it interesting as well because it goes on for so long. It doesnt just, you will slow one day and its done. You will supplier and itll fit you for the rest of your life. What was it that led you to think that you wanted to do something to aid whistle blowers, Mental Health . And how did you get started . What did you focus on . Nice the agency and its my, its you left experience. What is your lift experience . You have a lot more to bring. And sir, and just to see whats the model in this training happening . Hand in hand ends in south africa, tom, the was no, me pull Health Support and my country so they for k is not the beast with a, with a Health System guarantee of being without a psychological support for, you know, 6 months. So we have a very big back of the, so its also a case of you have to reinvent yourself. You know, youve come out of this corporate c t m is of main street is use my peak use the manage face in a work environment. So in any environment, whether its a corporate setting or just the retail chain, and i would see all of these anything with a hierarchy structure triggers me and i have no trust in those spaces. So having to reinvent myself, what am i going to do not in a living. And i did start to focus on the Mental Health because mine was and is such disarray. And it was nice, portia and next we now started reaching out, luckily online. And i made a contribution to the psycho social impacts supposedly retaliation. And i was checking gary and martina back that came up last year. And the importance of this is that the, the terminology you see, and in south africa we have rectified the l. O 190. 00 and this is a major when because it speaks to and saw some logical diction month in the wordpress in the labor news. So because i have very little support. Yeah. And we were well below is trying to help most of those. And unfortunately, even in that space, i experience shame and bullying and ostracized ration as well. And that was a mess up for me because it was the whats of low stakes of doing it to each other. But we didnt know any data at the top. So, as i said, this being very serendipitous, ive lead to lots of mates, phenomenal connections in the space, and im truly made full now as well. So ive been working on the students and i understand the narcissism behind this top of leadership. And you know, with south africa and the, the labels of corruption, we have and also i was of those. We are called the judge and a lot of them austin killed so high managing your Mental Health a trying to sustain and to so moving forward is key and fossil because its not only you, its going to affect your family. Its going to take every aspect of the law. So these a lot that we can offer, you know, and, and also shifting into the space. Im hoping that i can make a difference. Yeah. As others have made for me. Doing bellamy, thank you so much for speaking with us. We have a lot more coming up in this conversation. June. Bellamy is a south african corporate whistleblower and active is. And were going to discuss how she got out of for depression from the isolation of whistle blowing right after the break state. And. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 0, hi, im actually i have to have and im here to plan with you whatever you do, you do not watch my new show. Search like why watch something thats so different whitelisted opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please, or do you have the state department to see i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your facts for you. Go ahead. Change and whatever you do. Dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont want to watch it because it might just change the way inside the, in 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultram national is the use dashes, the claim, the independent state of croatia. Shortly off, the seizing power, they build the scene of us concentration camp, a Place Associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. Use dash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime. Conditions in the santa of us come when the gods tortured to arise in the presence they send in the concentration camps. So most of them died. It was incredible genocide. The welcome back to the west of lowers. Im john 3 onto were speaking with south african corporate whistleblower and activist june bellamy. Good to have you with this june. Thanks again for being here. Thanks for having me. John. We were talking in the 1st segment about your reaction, your response to the fall out from your whistle blowing. Take us back to that period. Youre depressed, youre isolated, youre broke. How did you break out of that . How did you decide to do something for other whistle blowers . Well, ill tell you that youve done a minute out of the gates. As recently, 2 weeks ago, i had this here from the cold here. And he took the last of my belongings to fanny to the fridge and said, a struggle is real. But to answer your question, um the, the breaking out of it is, it is a combination of what can you manage on the day and, and who else is at the going to the same thing reaching out. And if theres one thing i know to be truly lost is that when you help others, it helps you so in this service and offering the systems to others. Ive also been fueled a lot by that. And so one of the things i did actually was i started stokes, etc. And house to, to and because i dont have a piece of my own and even in the ducks, lets see the dogs for you so much during these. Nothing the but joy such as all these different areas of change and shift that ive tried to incorporate into the last and the like i said, the service to others was, wasnt very big component of that. And thats what shifted leading to the space of naturally trying to make it better for those who come off dress because we have a long way to go. And we also sleepy too, and were, i cannot sleeping too. And as a student in our duty shall changes as well, we have some really strong. So the Society Groups here and the 1st draw up they propose changes to i just nice to be in a particular flows is just come out and ill be coming. So thats, we will take some time, you know, because these not income coming in, but i will put into that because you know, it will help somebody else. And hopefully they dont have to go through what youve gone through. And if they do, in some ways, its been a full that you would live yourself with whistle blowers, u k. And with whistle blowers of america, tell us about the work that you did with those 2 groups. And the benefits for south african whistle blowers. So id say, and whats the of america and whats the 1st point of contact in 3 jack. He asked me to gina, profitable and days. So you try has just recently they going through the parliamentary system, the readings in changing most of that was the and these are very strong robust, and the case for having a completely separate at all, but some of the, so to speak, remain each of these cases so it doesnt go to the legal system because the legal system takes too long. And as we all know, as one of my high stakes the business, you take somebody like samsung. They can just start billions edits and keep use of price for as long as they want. So the key area in this is that its brought to Different Countries together. And we have a lot of collaboration happening now between the us southern because u k. And we also bringing in very, very of, at various other countries as canada is also, you know, coming into the conversations. And as a collective you, you look, you know, what is working, what isnt working, what needs to change, and you get to throw these ideas around and does it, oh, i hear those because when say look, weve tried this, it doesnt work each rather go down the street, x, y, and z. So in the neighbor ration again, what its very important as well is it gives you voice. It gives you voice that you being heard. Its, you know, making a difference because the more that we have a voice is we are good. A seal and gives us energy to carry on working needs and very difficult, very long periods of time in making the slow changes. So i think the big plus the big thing to remember yet, and thats, you know, were another line. And if you reach out across the board is these you will meet and you will become connected with people who have the same goal is you and very last the street. Thats we, i st. Cloud numbers, because im, its no longer just, you know, june, there will be in south africa taking on this big the, he this, you know, i, ive mix phenomenal people and across the globe. And they all support cheap. So, you know, you know, the learning this im interested also in the educational courses that youve developed regarding whistle blowing. What do you cover in this course and to whom is it targeted . Have you seen results from it . A say m b is not a specific cause to say, so just to clarify some awful mix with those courses. They are based on the works of on campus in which is the space detection resilience pain. So the, so you know, the formats its cost is what i bring into the, into the components is a lot of self compassion. This all compassion components is key because when youre in situations like this, they can be a little sick and casey. So the voice in your head must be very strong and compassionate and pro you so its literally like having your own cheerleader in your, in the heat you know, giving you the support that you need to carry on. Because theres a lot of nice says in this environment and the course is that the looking to do now because of the book. And because we can apply for cpd and continue practice points. We can ass stopped educate, seen in actually any boss or to any academia, any business who has glass and h, or any Company Policies in place. And we can specifically start teaching in a bass the bullying language about the whats the blow retaliation . Are you doing it or not doing it or even the way that your company is or is not supporting so successful, getting ready, not the courses at the moment. These very few companies thats uh well kind of the, you know, well come the honesty and the cheese of how to pay to protect both of those. And might be a take books exercise on these thoughts already. Not courses at the moment is being geared towards an education on the legal side, the psychology side, like jose and human resources. Leadership and anybody this. Yeah, anybody thats well with an institution with any continue practice points as this tacos curriculum around this list of names. Pedagogy should be coming to familiar with what it is is we need to get in a peer support at the june bellamy. Thank you so much for joining us and for helping to shine a light on what it is that most whistleblowers go through. And thank you to our viewers for being with us. Japanese writer, novelist and essay is how we keep were coming once said quotes. When you come out of a storm, you wont be the same person that walked in. Thats what the storm is all about, and quote, these rights. And that is what leads to the strength necessary to speak truth to power, just like june, bellamy did. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers, im john curiosity. 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