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But why thats all for now. You can check out you come from or update to see you again in about 15 minutes. The the imagine that you are a hard working idealistic, young deputy with the u. S. Marshal service. Youre doing hard dangerous work and youre succeeding at it. You like this where it gets difficult, but youre making a real contribution to the security of the american people. And besides, you enjoy it. Youre optimistic about the future. But then much to your surprise, youre passed over for a promotion. Youre not chosen for interesting new assignments and then you learn that this is all happening for the simple reason that you just happen to be black. Im john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the. 2 2 2 2 2 dr matthew fog is one of those rare individuals who is utterly relentless, but that relentlessness comes with incredible patience when he realized that he was a victim of Racial Discrimination within the federal government. He file a lawsuit. But lets start at the beginning, matthew fogg joined. The Marshal Service in 1978 and quickly became a highly decorated officer. He was cross designated as a supervisory special agent in charge of a Us Drug Enforcement Administration joint drug and gun introduction task force. He was later promoted to the position of inspector in charge of the Marshal Service unit for the International Criminal police organization. And he received multiple awards for tracking down more than 300. 00 of americas most wanted and most dangerous criminals. As you can see, there was no legitimate reason to pass this man over for promotion or to deny him new assignments. It was all about race. He won that case, any one big, but the partial service and by extension, the broader American Government didnt make any of the necessary changes to ensure that this didnt happen again, that racism didnt play a role in personnel decisions. And so matthew led a Class Action Lawsuit that included more than 700. 00 current and former black deputy marshals and detention enforcement officers, plus thousands of black applicants who were not hired in the 1st place. That case was stuck in legal limbo for almost 30 years. You heard that right 30 years, the case was dismissed, it was reinstated, and it was expanded over the course of those 3 decades. But lee, last year, matthew and his fellow plaintiffs finally won that case. It wasnt the huge, devastating when that they had hoped for, but it was a when none the less. And it seems that the by the administration wanted to actually fix the problem. Matthew fogg joins us today. Matthew, thank you so much for being with us to pleasure to have you as good to be with you and would you have to go and make some corrections or something you just say we didnt when the case case hasnt been one yet, its just been a proposed settlement, which were not in agreement with. Uh well, thats a much more important point. Yeah. Okay. So lets, lets get to that. I want to start then back in the mid 19 eighties. Youre going gang busters at the Marshal Service in just 7 short years. You made quite an impressive career for yourself. You. Youre highly decorated at that point. What happened to make you think that wait a minute, somethings not exactly right here as well. If it started in one and 85, i found my individual complaint once i got on the mall, sir, you know, being a black person and coming into an environment such as a command and control environment, Law Enforcement. I saw the racism across the board of just what do you keep your mouth shut when your you, when you say so. I mean, you see it all, you see it and everything youre doing. So found at some point we had a particular manager that was targeting, it is due to African Americans, people was most likely to succeed and he came up to me and once he did, i entered for back a lot of people didnt want me to, didnt want to be dishonored, except it is say look, wait till you become the director, will go to the top and youll be ok. But it seems like anybody else in up with my son on my door, id want somebody to step up to the to them. And step up in and be uh, speak up for them. And if, if the system is wrong, the problem is that our system is, is a big machine. Once you start speaking out against something thats in a commanding, strong environment, they circle the wagons on you and they try to discredit you. And thats the whole battle. Did i begin to fight all the way through to that one that big lawsuit and 98. Finally made it to 12 and 98, garrett came back and found the whole United States mazda. Itd be a race. Will house down a drama for all African American w as margins or the didnt to pay me for me in order to make me a g. S 15, oregon to go back and fix the system. But did adjust the bomb it turned around and took a 10 year of a 40 paid me. They say port that verdict put 10 whole years. Oh my god, 1008. And the reduced to 10000000 down 2300000. 0 my god. So its a, its, its, its, its a constant battle and they sick the address on me by withholding all of the taxes and withholdings that they took out of the judgment. They stuck in on a slice one and i thought i had it and came out to me for 77 more years. Gone and see my paycheck and everything. When the government pops up later said oaks, we had the money, we didnt realize we had. Now my tax to this day is all messed up. So it just like constant battle. And then on top of that, the class action, all the stuff that you look at, the history of this transaction and the number of people that it has affected. And it just blows my mind that nobody on capitol hill use. All of that is, has been written on was mess grassley. Everybodys spoken out against the, the, the problems in the margins of i got a website, a big gets with badges right behind us, right. Your pros rates 97, so its not like nobody knows by the Washington Post. Cbs news every brad is done. Stories on it, but yet no one is fix it and no president is unbelievable. You know, and just listening to that little bit of your story makes me think that thats the same story ive heard at the c, i a at the f, b i n s a d o j at the state department. Its the same exact story and youre right to about what the very 1st thing that you said the government is a great, big, slow, lumbering bureaucracy. And they know that they have years, decades that they can use to for you and to ruin you. If they have to thats so true and the problem is, see if we got e o c and got the last change where it is say, okay, if the government is going to use out tax pay of dollars, the price us, then the government should pay us the price down is app. Yes sir. Dollars we as a complainant, if you truly you got a problem, a place a case of discrimination, then the government should pay your legal fees. Thats right. Them back. Thats right. Dont say dont add a disadvantage. And then on top of that, the government does a lot of illegal things. The, remember, we gotta understand, the governors just met this. Youre obviously, it is that, but i mean, it just is not some type of inanimate object. Its people, a lot of races, individuals who dont believe that pretty much blacks, African Americans should be in the government or used to be happened. You got a job using that be on the level. And so you got a lot of people in the app places and always when you got a companion control environment is the same as on the street. Model commander is a big it with a badge. And he expects me to treat people badly. And i dont do it, he can come turn right around inside me and the next that you read through roxy is against me. So i got to do what he wants. And thats the way the system works. I want to hear more about your lawsuit and im going to preface this by saying, i believe it was along the sea ice torture program in december of 2007. And i knew that i had done the right thing. But wouldnt you know, for the very 1st time in my life, the iris audited me in 2008, 2009201011121314 and 15. And i wasnt making any money. But this is one of those mechanisms that they use to beat up the you. So you ended up learning that lawsuit and you want it a little on paper. It looked like you wanted handsomely, but right, that was just the beginning. So youve got this lawsuit on the one hand that you know, it looks like you want it, but then theres a class action suit. On the other hand, can you tell us about how that happened . Are you a part of both suits . Yes. What happened was it personally lawsuit i had that started the 85 and network is way all way around the 2008. In the meantime, the same things that was happening to me and of course, to continue wasting the retaliation. And that continued happening to me after i filed the other complaint which made new new issues arise. Man, so by turns we get on the zillow problem. This is happens all afternoon, monday. So youve got a good case here. Youve proven now discrimination. What is before we even what the court . But in 94 we filed, we filed the Class Action Lawsuit number my individual cases, we are running it so yes, there we go. That route in the drink come back in. And you notice on the british going to do is said, do you find us these monster, itd be a racial, hostile environmental, African American deputies before 1991 and after 1991. Yes, i checked both spreads. So we were, we had a good farm, appraised the case, been, we got a firm law firm, Different Law Firm steps and it takes the class action, which thats the case as running. Now, in the meantime, my personal case ran its course. They was when he caught it, appealing it, but then oh he is in 2008 when they valley paid me. It was so messed up with what they had done to me and then holding again, holding the withholding, holding the payment that they were supposed to get be they dont report it to the arrows in iris since i got money and come up to me for a whole years. Oh my just my taxes and my state taxes mess. Everything kept me from getting my drivers license. Oh my top being registered. It just so many things that occurred didnt change the difference in the salary that i would have gotten while i was out of work discrepancies. And it was so many things they kept doing it to me that you know, you just gotta say it again. These are individuals that somebody could pick up the phone just like in your case, somebody says, well, call the iris and tell me the audit this me, thats right. And then you guys know record it. Yeah. You cant protect yourself from Something Like that because you dont have any idea that it happened. Right. I want to ask you to about this class action usually when there is a class action suit, there are hundreds, sometimes thousands of victims that yeah, that was the case here. But also the most class action suits the accused is so guilty, and that guilt is so well documented that they try to settle the suit as quickly as possible. We see that all the time with big companies. The government however, responded in exactly the opposite way and they drag this suit out for 30 years. Tell us about that. What were the negotiations like over the course of those decades . Or is it that there were no negotiations because the government was just trying to stall you a good note to be honest with you the whole time the class was going. The only thing that made that adjusted my room, and that is the Us Department of justice, that supervisor view as mazda service. The only thing that made them come to the table was the Washington Post article that came out in 22. 00. That basically said that there was a lawsuit and that is possibility that this thing has been going on for 30 years and possibly maybe go on to drown. They can run it to the table and they said, we want to settle. The problem is our attorneys went in and started doing stuff that we didnt want them out. So now we had a problem with the priority. Uh now we know theres a lot of stuff goes on behind closed or we dont know whats happening. But the bottom line was the amount of money you got 10000 right now put into a potential of 10000 individuals payments. And we come up with 15000000. 00, which is a joke. I mean, your asset that in watts at bro, as i said back down, decline is get us started at the uncle sams product to that 5 me the data spread out with 10000 people. You got gift cards in the gum. Yeah. So this is, this is what were saying. You possibly fighting discrimination even when youre talking about legally fighting these people. Its always something going on to try to discredit this class and kind of do dr. Matthew, fog stay with us. Were going to take a short commercial break and when we come back were going to continue our conversation with matthew far about the current situation. That minority employees face in government say to the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the what is part of the, the employee would post good. Isnt the deepest view of us and building the word, or is it something deeper, more complex might be present . Lets stop without please is. Lets go out of or the world and thats what it was. The blue. 2 and john curry onto were speaking with the United States Marshal Service whistleblower, matthew, fog about discrimination in the Marshal Service in the in the broader us government. Dr. Fod good to have you with us. Thanks for staying. Thank you. Thank you. One of the things that bothers me very much about this case, and there are actually several things that bother me is that it is dragged on for so long it dragged on through the administrations of 5 president s that is in use rateable to me. Why is it that no Marshal Service director wanted to settle this thing and just make it go away . Why didnt word never come down from the white house just as just to settle it. A i think is when youre dealing with racism in the United States, department of justice, you talk about the premium Law Enforcement agency in the world. I mean, you get like right behind the big gets with badges dot com that so you can go to my website and read about it. But that was on the front page of the New York Post and 1997 that you would have thought the fall out from that. We had congressional hearings, Maxine Waters and big hearing and the address at that time. Or it code a black Deputy Attorney general was a black with the Deputy Attorney general. And we had these hearings, we laid it all out at the one why deputy who showed up a big old rap. They gave him because he testified against the government because of his black pod now who was sitting next to me at the table. Now that man got killed later, somebody ran across the road, broke his neck. You know we, weve very suspicious of that, my god. But the reality of it is that i think when youre dealing with racism in the Us Department of justice, they wanted to dig in and say. And the judge said that it much rather courtney, as my attorney said, you telling me youre just brahman doug. Its use it on his e, okay. And he was basically saying, yes, i mean, bottom line is where we all look all the years. Its taking us to resolve this matter. So i think what happens is somebody over there in a d o j, they just dont want to be seen as the culprits of the things that theyre supposed to be going around the country to go guess of the Police Departments and organizations. So ill be holding them accountable. Yeah. Can you hold somebody accountable when you, yourself have been found guilty of it in a federal court . Most of the time, theres not, its around most of the time does a settlement and you know, and settlements. They always say we didnt do anything wrong. In my case, more with the drought, we got a judgement. So there is a wrong doing a wrong finding. Now, within the last faxes, yes, you get people over this thing. We, we dont want to deal with racism. We rather do with anything other than accepting the fact that were agreeing that somehow we are racially wrong. Weve done the legal things. Now youve got drag note operations going on to the us box who is responsible for around the country and youve got people being shot in the back. And then after america is big disproportionately locked up. Targeted all it is bodies, us motion drag that operators will stay your locals and the state local dont do what we do. They dont follow us. What have we whatever we allow them to get away what they want to do it. Why do you think that change your let me rephrase that. Why do you think that has begun to change with at least this proposed settlement here . I again, i dont see it as changing the see because the proposed settlement is so low. Yes. That is making mark rita says the money to be honest with you. This settlement would set a precedent for anybody who decide to fight the Institution Dance for it. Do we have 10000 things . If you have 10000 folks that have a leg discrimination over 30 years, and you want though, 15000000 of them come on. The same attorneys said back in 2008 when they took a portion of this case, a, a case said coincide with this one same us marches in the federal court. The same attorney said the case was worth 300000000 and now we had at that time, 700 people. Now today we got 2000 and we dropped down to 15000000. Somethings a matter with that. Yes, theres a problem going on behind the curtains. Another thing that bothers me about this case is, as you just said, the thousands of plaintiffs involved are offering this, this 15000000. 00. At 1st glance, that sounds like a great deal of money. Its not, not at all. Here in the United States, the law firms that handle class action suit to take the bulk of the money for their work, their expenses. Ill give you an example. Ive been a plaintiff in 3 class action suits in the past year. And my portion of this settlement has been 7 dollars, 20 dollars and a 100. 00. What, what youre talking about here, lets say there are 10000. 00 plaintiffs and a 15000000. 00 settlement. The. Busy law firm at the very least is going to take 5000000. 00. Youre talking about a 1000. 00 a piece for each of these. You know, you cant do anything. Its going to be less than that 30. Ringback for 30 years of discrimination. So why is it, why is it that the plaintiffs attorneys seem to have dropped the ball on this . Why the government not . Yes. Go ahead. Let me is what i, what i think it and youve got to remember where it, the e o c were not in federal court. Now this is the e l c. So we, its called administratively and weve been in federal court, i think is what it may resolve long time ago at the attorney that the lead attorney that was handling the case for the same law firm. He passed away a couple of years ago. Ah, when he pass everything changed, right . I think the be now i always wanted with them and i can tell you this always told them that we need to take this thing in front of what i was saying that long, long time ago. But it never happened, and i think what happened was we thought they thought that maybe the product would get bigger and bigger and everybody would be better off. It didnt turn out to be that way. Its turned out to be that it turned out to be the opposite and it turned out to be where the product gets smaller. Right . And, and the distribution is gotta be spread out with all of these people, which is absurd. It makes no sense at all. So yeah, i think right now were in a, were in a very difficult situation, but we still administratively, if we pull this thing in the front of port is gonna be a lot of media behind it. Because i believe that at that point now in the world, everybodys thoughts, are you whats been going on and thought that this thing was these off to find out it was you have had a front row seat for Racial Discrimination. The Marshal Service for almost 40 years, has it has anything improved over that period of time understanding that its a never ending fight . Is it at least better than it was . Or is this the, you know, i with jumped. It brought it literally before the General Assembly about the same thing about a particular building and one opposite 1. 1 of the legislators asked at the same for us. Huh. And i looked around us and yeah, things have improved. Thats it. The technology and i showed up my camera. I said we were talking about please the tally and all the words i said before, nobody headed on jeremy was beat them down and doing whatever the song. Yeah. I said, so thats what it is. People on social media, more people are hearing about this stuff now. Yes, thats whats in. As far as the attitudes of them a job man, im telling you, i can tell you here and down at the 40 is it blows me a way that how this stuff actually youre talking about taking back america is one bath, which yeah, is going backwards. Race up that weve talked about, your Law Enforcement, the Police Brutality on the street and everything that was saying, why would it be any different if were riding bigots with badges working right next to us . Why would i expect them to treat somebody in the street . Definitely no, you dont stand a chance. Ill be on that street one against one of these big it sort of beds. And thats why i was so glad when at new york pro said its a weird said it in 97. 00 is related not just to be. They did a comprehensive report on the us martins or with anybody go to and read all about it. And all of this, sabrina stories is one of the Law Enforcement stories. So that there was a culture in place, a call to really difference. That was really something you would number would have thought would have been in the Us Department of justice. I regret that we are even having to, to have this conversation in 2024. You know, like so Many Americans think that this, this nonsense was dispensed with. 40 years ago, and thats just not the case. Its, its an ongoing fight. It is and, and, and is so sad because, you know, being a black person and having see is one thing to say, okay, you know, you, you file a complaint to get it fixed, and you might have a few individuals that all have some, you know, a home a full big uh, ideas and thoughts. But when you get into a system and you see that the system project and so at all course, then and then it shows me how thats what i tell about command and control environments. Once you understand our command and control environment operates, if you come into the system and you happen to have a boss as a racist or whatever years, dont like blacks or whatever. But hes a boss. Hes got a lot of power at that point and it does something to oh, you got to just turn, youll hear the same way that guy put his knee on the neck of the doors fluid. Yes. And we did kill them. I guarantee a one him opposite or jumped up. It points him opposite. Man, thats too much force and do it more. That is a bad. They would have bought that opposite point jobs without interfering with the names of these duties without the type of problem that youre dealing with in the whole Law Enforcement mechanism. Dr. Matthew fogg. Thank you for joining us. Matthew, fog one because he was on the side of righteousness and because he was patient, winston churchill, one said that success is not final and failure is not fatal. It is courage to continue that counts. He was right. Just ask matthew fog. I want to thank our guests, matthew fogg for joining us and for the courage and selflessness that he has displayed to out of his adult life. And thanks to our viewers for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers, i am john to yahoo and we will see you next time the. 2 2 the, the, the, we often see customer nature, strong and successful. People realize their dreams, but it wont cost. And how long must they wait before that 1st block stuff . Yes, which isnt present to the 50th. 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