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The hello and welcome to wells a part of the mark twain famously a remark that history and doesnt repeat as sound, but it also arrives. And its not the circumstances or the actors of any particular conflict that the get 3 consulate in, but the rather the spirit of the problem with south state and resolve parts of ed as they are. Pan continent is once again stricken with better divisions and kinetic warfare. Does history offer any ideas point moving forward to discuss that im now joined by lou, much blah, a left wing slovak politician and Deputy Speaker on the slide. I can parliament mister bloss. Uh, its a great honor, a great pleasure to talk to you. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for the invitation. Not mr. Bloss us. Lucky is a relatively small country, but its also been a pretty powerful voice against the mainstream in your consensus that is for now, or at least in favor, often times to find the war with russia. And youve been a quite a strong optis within that voice. Why did you take this sounds that you took on the conflict in the ukraine on this thing . Your position has any impact whatsoever in the face of the ears . Pro war unit 2 was the fall on work here. Hes very faith, peaceful nation. And we really respect to the sacrifice. So for us on rational nation in deliberating, guys in the 2nd, the role of the girlfriend, fascism. So we are very thankful and grateful to russia. And so something needs to be heavy in our hearts. I mean, so of a condition of course. So you can see that the flow of like nation is how the variety to those are organization only, which is very much influenced by the liberal around us. And we can bro, bye down, dine only. So, and you know, media in zeros and then you have the 2nd part of the population. Fortunately, now we have the majority and be wanting to elections. I mean, the right, any certainly robust diesel. And we want to be, so weve been to have a piece, we dont want to send the funds to the grain. We dont want us to have the expansion of nato because we see this as a cost of these war in ukraine. So this is our stance, its very similar, right . For body c. S. Of course. Why the be our points we designed by of all of us and bach knows about the v b being the freedom of speech and the sort of idea of nations. So i hope that we can still come from you in our peaceful bodies. Now i, i very much like the way you frame this war in one of your articles. You wrote that its wrong that to slavic nations are its war that american Arms Companies are making money from it. And its hard to disagree with that. Its definitely wrong, but its also the reality. And to some extent, its a paradoxical reality because on the one hand, 4 or 5 years ago, i wouldnt be able to imagine Something Like this happening in the up. If we go further back down into history, its almost seems kind of possible. It doesnt seem so unlikely after all, and i wonder how do you see this concept proceed as im inexplicable or do think quite the contrary, that it was to some extent predictable that it could have happen. Im sure this is another conflict between the ukrainian nation and the russian nation. These, the conflict, especially between american and the russia and theyre kind of rush side. So its of course, the west against the russian federation. Everybody skin scene is because if you didnt, would be golfing between you chris, in russia. Ukraine wouldnt be lost in a few weeks. We dont want this called police, which cant disclose to the ground floor. I think only the people without any commonsense den, comforting you to basically to these calls me that thats why we are designing uh, our emory gone. And you will be in boxes because we are in the right time because we are in the unit. Yeah, weve got 4 bees, we want to have good dialogue and good relations on the east, on the log on to solve on the west, all the, all the arts. So i dont think that our, our positions are gays to you are being, you know, be sure to be, are just the, was of the come on sense of the European Union. And theyve got to be hungry for his unbox. But also you have the middle to a country like all 3 us who we just reach out. Hes not sending the weapons a c, s v or not. So i dont think that uh, this is something uh, unpredictable and uh, i hope that uh, the people have ukraine, either restaurants, either or ukrainians. Lots of going to die forever by hold the peace of the armies. These can be here in few months, in order to establish conditions for lasting peace. We also need to understand the dynamics, the only difference dynamics of this war, not just the current, your political layer, but you know what, what is underneath them. As you have already alluded, uh there is uh, memory of the 2nd world war. So my kids self suffered greatly from fascism. I. You had the own holocaust at that time. Your own very strong anti napster resistance movement. And i wonder how much is that a factor in it, not just the public pull effects today, but in how ordinary people see and relate both to the current politics and to russian. The west. Yes, we see in the way i see that there is a wave of racy still with a full b r. We choose a very similar to the thirtys and fortys in the european history, and it was the time of fascism. Amazing, some. Thats why we are very focused to be this trash. You cut off blame the russian nation as it is before the seeing the this is something which is absolutely for actually its, thats why we all remember how it was in the 2nd of all the rolled and we, even if you man, but it almost boundary stuff from you brian of a bleeding in the east. In slovakia ive never killing the people there with the but robert robert, the village is in slovakia. Um probably uh everybody in the raleigh can remember a void in my sucker and so long to had received and under our solution each are so great the to in the ukraine. We kind of being silent. I thought it was kind of, can i actually ask you about that . Because the west open accuse us a rush off. Exploiting the memory and the trauma of world war 2 for its on a so retiring aims while at the same time being absolutely a believe is to be a fax of it. I mean, youre saying that this will back and people remember the corners of the war, but for some reason the west doesnt remember. And its very insensitive to say the least about forming alliances with far right, the new, a, fascist forces in ukraine and elsewhere. How do you explain it is an ignorance as a deluxe of historical map memories, or perhaps the marriage of convenience, or even a conscious ideological on lines . Its a people question is a simple question. Its the dog far less of thinking game, these barrier. Uh, for example, in my country in slovakia, when you say the face east, the establishment during the 2nd world war because we had to be so facing the corporation by germany. Youll hear people say that this is something gold. You wont be persecuted by the bodies of course, because you are supporting faces. By the way, you understand the boundaries that seem you probably or you are, but your endeavors here. Theyre both of these in ukraine. Youre here all the media and theyll deliver all this because you are the fact that you break. And this is people crazy about. I can say from history that the wouldnt be any member on the east side was the best. And you will be in countries in the 2nd world war, you can see that in germany was nancy germany. He thought he was specially, its a tell you about joe and another. And then was of them be able to know compared to being in a few days ahead fries, you know, a few weeks, 3 space and the to the backgrounds do nice to germany and so on. So you can continuing. But in this way, and you see that the sacrifice override and the, the sacrifice overestimation of belongs nation human to ukraine. Nation was so high, so high for me, answer the mediums of people. And in the western countries it was, looks like this. So thats why its a different memory for 2nd world war, because respect is and the slow x as a, as the fastest nation, the really remember this. Now, why dont we say fast as you know, these are worth provokes a lot of emotional reaction. It has a lot of political connotations, but whats underneath it is actually, you know, a belief system that presupposes that certain people are above other people. Whats allowed to you is not allowed to me. Youre allowed to suffer. And im allowed to teach you how to sort of know to be a bar berryanne. And this is not just a historical moment. I mean, its more polish these days, but the west still, you know, claims that the right to be um, you know, uh, the shining beacon of a wisdom for all the nations. What couldnt be done in practical terms with this kind of ideology, because sure its not always expressed. The expresses itself as fascism but its still very much problem. Dont the global stage on many of the wars we have, you know, they wont have seen over the past couple of decades. Ultimately, it could be, you know, brought down to that very principal, thats we as a nation, know whats best for you and we are going to invade and kill and enter use all other means to make sure that all well prevails over yours. Well, there is a kind of superiority complex in the west and this a liberal or no numeral, idaho. A g reflects this is a kind of tiny tardy and the, the g or both all utilities because you thousands respect to the diversity of the oil, 2000 and the respect to other cultures doesnt respect other nations. The people who are all in the way to tell you, okay, you have for example, ultimate star. Truly, you have to, im also going to have the pulses check out your body of cold heavy use because you need to be a very, very human rights to freedom has to be honest, ended in the best you will need to have the same done across the s v and so, so its a kind of a mental cooling the other things. And this is something to be the need to refuse because we need to be need to respect all the counselors, all the nations into all i told say for chinese that you want to have the homosexual marriages because in brussels to be one. But they have to almost like so many just because its kind of a ridiculous and thats why i really believe and a freedom i really, really believe in diversity ends or respect to the other nations. I dont mean to be a fan of russia. I dont need to be a fan of china, our been a 70 or id be either respect their culture. And this is something we do many people in the best stop to respect. And this is a very, a big sailor of the best of civilization. But i think the roads are for these, you dont in the history of the but now um, going back, just like in its current position. Its a landlocked country, bordered by poland to the north ukraine, to the east, hungary, to the south end, austria to the west. They also have a tablet, a check republic on the northwest, easily hostilities for whatever reason, spelled beyond the ukrainian horse theatre into europe. You may find yourself right in the midst of it, do you think youre a current neighbor membership and nature will protect here because im in the you express a very, it was sympathetic and very to hearing the very a ration l stands. But if worst comes to worst will in the secure um, you know, a good position for yourself. Well, our National Interest is to avoid the war of any kind. This is for sure. Thats why we are saying that we need to stop the war on the train. Didnt even need to have the dialogue with russia in the day to go to relations with the russian federation. Of course, we are the father of the European Union and the nato. But we already agreed to go to the wars of nato. For example, in yuba slightly off or in libya, this y b r i agreed to go and vc also because of the warranty, ukraine indies, expansion of nato. This is for sure, because the seen us from russia was very clear. We dont want to pay the you, brian, in the adults hendo and they dont want it to expand. And the full address ill be coming to the borders of united states. It was due on the stage and dont realize we were coming to the board as the director. So this is for sure you went to that would be from the opinions in, for example and guardianship. I mean, because there is a very right to being the checking government denial, but still the brought up a little slow back in the checks and nations. I mean, the normal people is still there. We have a very with go next ones to be the hungry. We are in many, many positions so as you know, to austria, which is now to accomplish so i dont think that exceptional support by the board and in the rush. I mean its, we dont the story. I think that these different started by the nazis live chug about makes slovakia hungry all throughout. Then the slip any uh then the grocery shopping. So itd be a lot of our, the very peaceful agents in the us. And so i hope that the action is going to be like, because okay, well, so the time being mr. Bell, somebody have to take a very short break, but we will be back to the discussion in just a few moments. They tune the, [000 00 00;00] the, the magenta itself, the gaining independence and from the form of the ivory coast remained under the Strong Influence of its foam and metropolitan pro french president , phoenix who said one year ruled the country for 33 years, ensuring the interest to from the dead, the government isnt in a new house, including his foster larry share goods was dumb so strong and the more appropriate after the death of, of a one year, a new lead to long come back. The ball came to power reset and im ready to double for example. Yeah, 2 is why do you know if were picking up from the was it isnt good enough for tiffany to one is the one that buses into the bronze immediately dean. Good luck. Boeing. Enemy, a deep political crisis ensued. The walk a, the country 2nd largest city, turned into a theater of war from 130 to the other 2 voters of mortgage. How did the dramatic events unfold . And how is walk a recovering from . He is a bloody conflict. Watch on. See the welcome back towards the portsmouth, new boss, blah blah, a left wing slovak politician and the page of speaker on the. So if i can parliament mr. Blossom before the break, he said that somebody care as well as hungry as well as auster of peaceful nations. And i think thats true. But youre still part of the 2 large blocks that are quite a nickel to my country. At this point of time on, this is a major security dilemma for russia at the moment because most for sydney doesnt want to explore, expand this conflict to europe. But your appeal countries keep new link, prolonging funding and by supplying the weapons to your grant. And i know thats why i like it, for example, doesnt do that, but your, you know, the countries that are associated with doing that, france and germany, some others. And theyre doing thats without any consequences to themselves, believing that they can defeat the russia from a safe distance without any harm to them. Of any military commander would tell you that this assumption needs to be shot, or they, in order to bring all the ward dynamics and all the participants into they open. Do you think leaders in here of understand how dangerous has been game that they are choosing to play for now . And how do you feel about it that you may be in the thick of a, of all the kinetic fighting through no fault of your own. And so no desire for your own as well. Yes, you actual that the leader, i think the European Union today are very many times and this kind of communities and should be refused. But also we can see the new wave off when you thinking, of course, its not in every country and theyll tell you in every government, but you will see the funded you from ukraine. I would say like this in the European Union. And for example, in germany, you have to box the f b which is already successful into both. So you have to box your room, you see select banding fronts, which is very successful, or mr. Ok, my showing on the left was waiting for it to go through. These are the 3 all the stuff science is all for western leaders. And that will be the european elections in june, in the European Union on to the European Parliament and may be the parties of the politicians was very critical to these of the expansion of nato, to these war and ukraine. And to this uh, mean its organizational view, the european policies. I think this, this box, these can be very successful and these can change the positions all for you or be leaders. And i hope that this will be the truth. Now you mentioned some shifts in europe and public opinion, but there, theres also been a major shift in the ukranian strategy. Ukraine is now openly and approving off and sometimes the resorting to terrorist tactics. And for now, these tactics are a, primarily at the russia and the russian citizens. But they know from history that, uh, fundamental is terrorist, almost always turn against about own pain, musters we know that happens with outside. And americans that happened to some extent with the chance in europe. Do you think its possible with the ukrainians . Do you think they can, at one point become a security threat, not just for russia, but for the European Union to well terrorism. These are the colon and i me and this is something you really to really stress the terms is that i dont moscow we to started, but i asked them to be of close to the fuse it and we need to each other of the come on come on yeah, and so the restaurants to be chinese, meet everybody in the world again, stale reason and when i see that so sometimes you know when the ukrainians, for example of bomb, the 3 man, the bridge. It was a terrorist. As i handed a lino, as it was like, oh i love the rest, the week is what . Well think like this is ok if this is most ok and i hope that us as it is with the male matthews, mind spacious, i mean you train the hour. Me as if they seen me stare isnt being in kind of any been caught up the was we need to be very basic. Uh, very, very simple. And sometimes i see a lot of people crazy in the way as this. Why my very pretty go to eve. Bought the 2 days that itd be nice to find stories and in every corner of the world. And maybe when youre told, think about this uh that will start. So all the thinking may need to speak about the does that most across here of by use, right . Now, and when we see that the, youll be leaders are very, very hesitating to come down, but hes ro, assets, the massacre. I was even some of the people he knew about the nation. So according to this, so these must, that goes to jo side. And the southern maybe see the european or american any those like say oh its a, its a ride of these roads to, to the children i need to delta. And then they say is motorized to overall shop to defend their interests. As regards the expansion of nato, your tribes, this is again double stand on people could receive. And if you need to refuse it, you mentioned the terrorist attack on concert goers, goers outside moscow, which claimed, at this point of time, 144 lives with another 551 people injure them. Some here in russia speculated them this attack was and not so much at ordinary people or social stability in the russian by the president put in for personal, useful base prior to that had secure the now the president ial term and who believes strongly a National Security. This is one of the reasons here, authorize the military operation and your plan, but clearly he like no other late or can guarantee security 100 percent. What do you think about and do you think they hate for us to put on a strong and have to justify in some enlightened circles, harming many of us and people to deliver a blow to him personally . Well, we need to wait for the investigation. I dont want to make any statements to reach out and all the, you know, im, im not asking you about advice. Theres concrete the time. But im asking whether do you think be paid for it for a poor 10 would, may lead some people to, you know, approve of decisions they otherwise would know the approval of yes, there is a kind of fun updates on every side. And this is somebody dangerous as why we, we are calling for peace because every wall can create these kinds of hates. We didnt. So i think this moves down the limits. But still, i am, uh, i want to stress the other problem because when we are talking about the stem resuming, most go outside the most go. Uh, you see the problem off. Um, i would say is lennox terrorism, which is very concrete also in your opinion. Yeah. And uh, do you have the big problem with migration in slow, what the ice . Well, the want to stop this must thing migration because its very dangerous. If this im a fund, it takes from some western countries are coming to all of our countries and doing the best things. And thats why we are trying to say to you to be leaders. Lets take more money and give it to the so of both extra on the border of the to be before it is a migration, but the giving the ukrainians, those those of a 1000000000. 00 and sofa of money of yours, but not on the so protection a board or not all these fight against the skill a no me ration. This is a big news that excuse me, but i switched out for you. You know, thats why i think the beginning to concentrate on the issues of migration on the issues of growth. Excellent. Why dont people on the issues of social rights, of other people and the least on that . But we, i mean i, you will be leaders. I believe its the, the, it came up. They want to only how do you claim and they want to only help the majority companies and these meetings are a complex and this is a very, very, very, very big mistake. Not now, mr. Boss. Or you just mentioned a couple of issues that i usually make up, the so called pay patriotic agenda. You know, um, minding leaving standards, being preoccupied with domestic issues, wanting to preserve some semblance of social stability and dressing, migration, conscientiously and consciously. You know, siding is a fax on the, you know, indigenous societies and making sure that you actually care about social harmony that you do then a smart and diligence way. Um you know, leaders who pursue these kind of politics are very easily handled by the way. Also care about National Security that these kind of leaders are very easily labeled as a ideal logs, as demagogues as a to tell a terry. And im put in is one example, but obviously if the Prime Minister of your own country, a role birth fits the also gets a fair share of those accusations just as he has the gary and con counterpart to victor, oregon. And i wonder, what are you seeing benefits from propagating this association between authentic patriotism and patriotism that doesnt want to take other countries resources but just wants to define its own interest can get some benefit from you know, presenting it in such a not just uh you know darn, but uh, ultimately very harmful and very dangerous way. Well, i would say that these are very funny. These things show which is very popular in the west of the do today. As you are saying, on the one side, the way it is. Now the allies or who believe in the west, them have you morning and on the other side and everybody else. If you had 5 by 2 of the go as far as im science, you mind see if you have a last being or im be now the products, uh ceilings and the ideas you are the strictest. You are to tell me, tell you it is a said you are even visual ed. They are using the stone and slovak. Yes. And you are meant you are going to remind you to have any right. So you, you dont have your troops, you just need to follow these mail people who are doable as i do about i think the agenda, pieces of a venture of this thats the target is of course, different book on the tardy and no narrative as it was before but we are using the dont liberal faces because of course the, the runs in my face is im done before i go with this. But today, todays nowadays were all or know even off our plane, do i like to let specialist . They dont respect other than the other opiates they will do basic, you know, criminalize people for the premiums. These were something is the key of the usual 3 years ago on the these 3 years, wherever you had the rights being melanie. But all document, yvonne, me as a person as a body shop, was persecute even by the police. So therefore hes because i respect the single officer, red army, its a red star, really seagle and the member ends up. I will stay secuity by dix trendiest. I will see them, but i think you do as extremities because i wrote the, the book, they both take about up or i have the ball roll the. So i think the book about the need and they say all this is extremities. You just need to have it, youre going to just have to pay the you just need to pay the rest of everybody. Because baseball, you want to remember the period of time and history when there was only 12 l, it was facing iraq. When i know he said that this is only one truth and i think that you know, your, which is based on diversity, the freedom of speech and beauty for renaissance and beauty, false enlightenment 30th. So that we, we are in such a devastating barry of the dock times even that times when we are just broad. We think the other opinions, this is something to be every sleep for us on need to be very, very disappointed with mr boss or we have to live in there. But thank you very much for joining us today that go to moscow. 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