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Heres abcs tom llamas for our series, crime and punishment. Who shot him . My husband. Reporter on the phone, jan nel flagger, calling 911 after her common law husband shot dead this 17yearold who entered their garage, just after midnight last april. Where was he shot . Um i dont know. Hes laying face down, hes barely breathing. Reporter the person bleeding to death . A germanborn Exchange Student who walked into their garage, possibly looking for alcohol. The very next day, police arresting karma for deliberate homicide. Prosecutors say didi didnt know it at the time, but he walked right into a trap. That say karma and flagger, fed up with being burglarized, set up a garage to catch the burglar in the act. Court documents show they set up a baby monitor in the garage and installed motion sensors. The question now for the jury, did karma truly feel his life and home were in danger, or was he just trigger happy . He had to take the steps, unfortunately, to take his life. Things that show that this case was not justifiably use of force. Reporter if thats the case, why are prosecutors honing in on this bait theory, they tried to bait this burglar and shot and killed him . If they baited him, then hes guilty. You cant lure someone into your home to try to kill them. In any state with any protective stand your ground or Castle Doctrine law. Bottom line is, you set a trap for someone to come to your house, youre prepared there to shoot and kill that person because youve created a trap . Thats murder. Reporter among the evidence, this surveillance image of didi inside the garage. Karma says a sensor alarm alerted him so, he grabbed his shotgun, then ran outside. He says he heard threatening noises coming from inside the dark garage, so he fired four shots, striking didi in the arm and then in the head. Didis mother, leaving the courtroom in tears. Some of the images too graphic from the crime scene, including the holes in the wall from the shot gun blasts. Certainly it is easy to second guess and question what other things he could have done, but at that moment, he believed he had no other choice. Reporter but not working in the defenses favor, many in karmas community. They claim flagger talked about how they were luring a robber. He said, yeah, were going to beat him. Reporter heres the hairdresser that cult karmas hair just days before the incident. He said he was really tired and that he had been sitting up for three days waiting to shoot some [ bleep ] kids. Reporter and the morning after the shooting, a neighbor says flagger told him this matter of factually. She said, you do not have to worry about the burglaries anymore and suzanne said, why is that . And she said, because hes dead. Reporter but karma had a history of odd behavior. His former landscaper testifying that karma came outside naked, pulling a gun on him when he set off the homes motion sensors. I was scared. I was frozen. Reporter but according to the victims friend, also a foreign Exchange Student at big school high school, they had no idea that looking for beer in peoples garages could turn deadly. No one told us that you could be shot if you went inside a garage because we dont have that kind of laws in our countries. Okay, so, you dont think it was a crime to go into somebody elses house in the middle of the night . I said that it wasnt good this way and never get into a garage. I was sure that it wasnt right. Reporter but for karmas case, one witness who could potentially do the most damage, his own common law wife. Prosecutors deciding to put her on the stand to paint the couple as a pair of vigilantes, not victims. The night of the shooting, for instance, she told police the teenager cried out, no, no, wait, please, before karma killed him. Now, shes taken the stand saying that didnt happen. I was absolute lly traumatiz. I was being asked questions within a half an hour of holding somebodys brain in my hand. Reporter while the 911 operator dreked her to give didi first aid, reportedly she responded by going through his wallet and commenting, hes not even a u. S. Citizen. My heart breaks for them. I dont mean to come across that way. Reporter has the common law wife hurt xhars case . Oh, yeah. If the things she had previously said happened, thats a big problem for him. Reporter under montana law, a person doesnt have to feel his life is in danger at home to use force. They can actively think it would present an assault. Also known as the Castle Doctrine. The law has been at the center of other high profile cases, including the case of damon verron in texas in 2008. He, his wife and 6monthold baby were all at home when they were burglarized. I heard a crashing through my window, which was this window right here in my bedroom and i got my gun. When i came around the corner, i saw the silhouette in my window, i pointed my weapon, i fired three times. Reporter he told abc news that he shot to kill in order to protect his family. He got off scott free. If i had to do it again, i would. Its the safety of my family over us being hurt. Its a no brainer for me. Reporter back in montana, karmas defense team making a similar argument. What other remedy did that have as far as they tahad to take the law into their own hands. They didnt have any other choice. Reporter but all of this will be up to the jury, who will hear more testimony tomorrow. For nightline, tom llamas in new york. Coming up here on nightline, if this man were white, would the police be treating him differently . My kids are right there. After the break. They say i never thought you would quit. but chantix helped me do it. Along with support, Chantix Varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. It gave me the power to overcome the urge to smoke. 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Im not doing anything ah im not doing anything reporter picking up your kids from daycare, yet another scenario that falls under the category of things you cant do while black. At least according to 28yearold chris lolly. Come on im not here to argue. Im a black man and i live this every day of my life. And it sucks. Whats your business with me right now . The problem is, im black. Thats the problem. Prejudice is Something Real in this society. They just didnt believe anything i was saying. Reporter weve seen the mass protests. People rallying behind sayings like hands up, dont shoot. Reporter celebrities donning shirts with the words i cant breathe. And on social media, trending hash tacks suggesting eric garner and Michael Brown are not isolated cases. Alive while black and criming while white have sparked a national conversation, as thousands share experiences. I was drinking wine on by dc stoop when cops passed right by me to detain my black neighbor drinking wine on his. Reporter er was 20. Stopped by cop at gas station. Under the influence and underage. He flirted with me, then let me drive home. Crimingwhilewhite. People tweeting about crimes they allegedly committed and got away with, they say, just because of their race. White privilege means being given the benefit of the doubt at any turn. I can go through this World Without having to think about my race. You know, i watch criming while white go viral very quickly and on some level, i appreciated it. But it almost felt like humble bragging. Like at what were able to get away with it. We needed to hear how black people are treated by the police. Reporter in response, jameel started the hash tag alive while black. Got raped and robbed. Police took forever to interview me. Mentioned that women sometimes lie to hide, quote unquote, gambling or overspending. Alivewhi alivewhileblack. Reporter many in the black Community Felt theired a their own stories to tell. Stories that had been ignored. Alive while black quickly took off. My neighbors called the police to my home. They arrived and handcuffed me before realizing it was me that needed help. Alive while black. Suv full of women leaving bachelorette party. Cop s pull us over with guns drawn. We fit the profile of two male robbers. Were feeling angry, were feeling tired. Were feeling saddened and terrified that we cant just live a normal life, that our normal is different from everyone elses. Reporter for chris in minnesota, these stories are eck coast of his own. Sitting right here just waiting and even the cameras back there show it. Reporter he was sitting in a public seating area when a Security Guard approached him. He walked up to me and asked me what i was doing there and i told him exactly, you know, im waiting on my kids at new horizons. Gave them the name, the place. I have to go get my kids. Please dont touch me. Youre going to go to jail. Reporter the police are called. I was excited for the police to come. More of less just because they were going to get i expected them to get there and say that i was in a public area and they had no reason to ask me to leave. Put your hands behind your back. Reporter while chris is recording on his phone, the situation starts to deteriorate. He is then tasers and eventually arrested. Im not doing anything stop, please reporter the same day this video surfaced, all of lollys charges were dropped. Hes now suing the city of st. Paul and the three officers involved. The Police Officers have denied all wrongdoing. His video may have just saved him from prison. While other videos like this one now so familiar, ignited a firestorm in america that continues to reverberate. Rallying around these hash tags has given way to conversations that may have never taken place. Theres a whole segment of society that doesnt want to talk about race. And the way they try to shut that down is to say that people talking about race is actually racism. No, you know, choking a man to death is actually racism. Reporter some doubt how much these hash tack tags really in change. Are they just oversimplifying and labeling . Director and producer of tv hits like greys anatomy and scandal Shonda Rhimes says hash tacks should not be mistaken for activism. Hash tag is not helping. Its not the same as doing something. Hash tags are. Reporter spret on twitter. I love them. I will hash tag myself into next week. But it is not a movement. It does not make you dr. King. It does not change anything. Hash tags were never meant to be the end all be all for solving the worlds ills. The same way that putting black female characters on scandal and how to get away with murder is not a revolution. But it may be a revolutionary act. Reporter but it remains to be seen if discussions about crimingwhilewhite and alivewhileblack will bridge a racial divide or polarize us even more. Im linsey davis for nightline in new york. 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Like i would have been better off dead. Reporter these americans are joining soldiers from around the world on an annual pilgrimage. Not all of them are believers. This is Corporal Zachary herrick who had a grenade explode in his face in afghanistan. I dont really believe. I believe theres a higher power, obviously. I believe that. But you know, i dont know what it is and, so, i just keep an open mind. Reporter the best selling author and tv host bruce feiler accompanied the veterans. They have the best science. And they still are longing for something. Reporter this story is part of an upcoming pbs series called sacred journeys with bruce feiler, which follows americans on six different pilgrimages. From saudi arabia to japan to africa. We pray, we dancing. Reporter even at a time when organized religion is under siege, pilgrimages are exploding in popularity. We live in a time where its sort of a diy time for faith. You have to make your own decisions and decide for yourself what you believe and what gives your life meaning, so, a pilgrimage, which at its core is a gesture of action, is a response to that. Reporter so, what will happen in lourdes . Where the Catholic Church even has a medical office on hand to document teaming. What we are looking for is to understand if a person was, indeed, really sick, if we have a true and real diagnosis for that disease. What was the prognosis of that disease . What was the treatment of that person receiving and was it lasting forever . Reporter one by one, the Wounded Warriors, even corporal herric, enter these small grottos, where they are bathed in what is believed to be holy water. The shock of the water wasnt as bad as my emotions. That in itself was something to grasp. The following day, i felt a change within me. I wasnt having as much back pain. I wasnt having as much pain up my shoulder. For some reason, my face felt lighter. Reporter chris, who was blinded in iraq, is on his third visit. After his first bath, he was disappointed not to be cured. But in the end, his wife says, he was healed in a different way. He wasnt cured visually, but he was cured in another way. Our family was very broken. After we came last year, he started stepping up to the plate and being the man that he was before he went to iraq. Reporter ultimately, these soldiers know the point of a pilgrimage is not to look for a specific outcome, but instead to step into the unknown and perhaps to learn something profound about yourself. I love you guy, like, all of you have been beautiful and its like watching you guys smile, like, thats an ancient urge now more popular than ever. And sacred journeys premieres on pbs december 16th. As always, were goonline 24 7 abcnews. Com. Thanks again for watching and good night. 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