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Hate in charlottesville. Im not talking to the president now. You cant wash this one away by shaking my hand and saying im sorry. Nightline will be right back. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. President trumps chief strategist steve bannon, a lightning rod of controversy, now out of the white house. And tonight already back at breitbart, declaring war against the president s critzics. The country facing a fresh wave of apprehension as more racially charged protests are planned for this weekend. Heres abcs tom lamas with our series american flash point. Reporter protesters flooding the nations streets. Extremists on the left and right resorting to violence, opening americas eyes you nazi scum reporter to the depths of the divisions in this country. The Ripple Effect of the chaos now reaching the white house. The man some deem a champion of the socalled ooult rite, trumps chief strategist, steve bannon, pushed out. We know the president had grown increasingly frustrated with bannon in recent weeks, and he clashed with virtually every top official in the white house. This was a collective pushout on their part. Reporter bannon says he resigned on his own terms, telling bloombergs joshua xwreen, let me clear it up. Im leaving the white house and going to war for trump against his opponents. Breitbart news says bannon has returned to his old job, running the far rightwing website, the job he left to join the Trump Campaign. My take on all of this is bannon will still be steve bannon on the outside. Trump is known it talk to these people that he ousted and he keeps talking to them. And bannon meanwhile has resumed his role at breitbart, which is obviously a highly influential altright news site that trump is plugged into. Sow i very much see them staying in touch. Reporter as for whats next, in an italian view with the Weekly Standard bannon says he believes trump will still be unconventional but less willfully disruptive. But bannons ouster may not be enough to silence the National Backlash against President Trump after trumps reaction to the violence in charlottesville. I think theres blame on both sides. You look at you look at both sides. Not all of those people were neonazis. Believe me. Not all of those people were White Supremacists by any stretch. Think before you speak. Reporter susan bros daughter died in charlottesville. Police say she was mowed down allegedly by a White Nationalist. Wednesday marked heathers funeral. Her mom and dad addressing their loss. This is just the beginning of heathers legacy. This is not the end of heathers legacy. Reporter and appealing for unity. They tried to kill my child to shut her up. Well, guess what . You just magnified her. Reporter bro says the die of the funeral was the first time the white house reached out to her. Have you talked to him directly yet . I have not. And now i will not. At first i just missed his calls. The call actually the first call it looked like actually came during the funeral. I didnt even see that message. There were three more frantic messages from press secretaries throughout the day. So i hadnt really watched the news until last night. And im not talking to the president now. Im sorry. After what he said about my child. And i saw an actual clip of him at a press conference equating the protesters like miss heyer with the kkk and the White Supremacists. Reporter today the white house released the following statement our thoughts and prayers continue to be with her and her family. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. Reporter with the deepening divisions on display, the spotlight is now shining on rallies across the country. I have not seen any reporter and how cities are trying to avoid violent confrontation. Protesters returned to durham, where earlier this week people pulled down a statue of a confederate soldier. Today the base remains, graffiti scrawled beneath it, saying death to the klan. In boston expecting a rally on saturday, someone writing punch nazis on the boston commons. We dont respond to hate with hate. We respond to hate with peace. We want people to be civil. Reporter for the past six months weve traveled the country, embedded with extremist groups, tracking all this political violence. Its hard to say precisely when all this began. Huh huh knock the crap out of him, would you . Seriously. Okay . Just knock the hell i promise you i will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. Reporter last year the Trump Campaign inspired many types of peop people, among them matt heimbach, a rising star of a White Nationalist movement that calls itself the altright. Were here to say that were here to defend our heritage. Reporter President Trump has denounced groups like heimbachs. Racism is evil. Reporter but heimbach says the president has been an inspiration. Hes opened up a door. His movement has opened up a door. But its up to us to take the initiative. Reporter the Southern Poverty Law Center says the number of hate groups rose last year to near its alltime high. Now leaders like heimbach admit to a newfound energy. I think hes a reflection of the excitement that mr. Trump has engendered in the white supremist movement. Get out of here. Get out out reporter thats heimbach at a trump rally last march. The guy with the beard and red hat striking and then shoving this africanamerican protester as shes being led away. He later pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. There wouldnt be any violence at trump rallies if of course the far left protesters hadnt gone into the rallies and tried to disrupt them. Isnt there something to be said about decency . Clearly youre on that video purk a woman from the back. You have a right to defend yourself. Reporter the opposition of the socalled altright a really loose nit group of activists who prefer to be called the antifa movement, short for antifascist. Right now were in a very dangerous place. Were in a very troubling place. Reporter lacey mccauley, a selfdescribed anarchist and mildmannered worker at a nonprofit by day, was one of the few antifa activists willing to go on camera. A lot of people have been responding by caring to join the antifascist movement. Antifa is on the hard left. In fact, many would argue parts of them are not even left, theyre anarchists. Reporter and theyre not afraid to play rough. At this Trump Campaign rally in close. What happened . I was walking up the street and this guy like sucker punched me in the back of the head. Antifa protesters brutalized Trump Supporters at random, throwing eggs at them. Oh, my god. Reporter beading them bloody. And attacking their cars. Theres no doubt the antifa believe that physical confrontation is necessary to prevent the rise of white supremacy. Reporter the protests didnt cool down when trump won the election. The man who will be the 45th president of the United States, donald j. Trump. Reporter while the altright rejoiced. The altright is an overwhelmingly young movement. Reporter it was at this notorious conference in november that much of the country was introduced to Richard Spencer. The selfstyled intellectual who coined the term altright. Because donald trump means that the worlds changing. It means that something new is coming into the political reality. Reporter several eagerly joined in, some giving an enthusiastic nazi salute. Hail trump hail our people. Hail victory. Lets not sugarcoat this. Hes a nazi. Reporter a lot of americans who saw that, it was terrifying. I knew that i was being highly provocative when i said hail trump. I dont think theres anything wrong with saying that. Reporter to be clear, most Trump Supporters arent altright demonstrators. Most trump resisters are not antifa. But those mobilized minorities at the extremes can have a big impact. And january 20th Inauguration Day became a flash point. I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear reporter just blocks away some members of lacy macaulays antifa group, disrupt j20, swung into action. Theres a large undertaking to oppose the operation of donald j. Trump. Reporter macaulay believes hate speech is the equivalent of violence and can be answered with violence. And weve seen her tame on armed White Supremacists with little more than a bullhorn. So why do these confrontations always get so violent . Yes, you might have your hotheaded 19yearolds on antifa who i know are actually trying to act in selfdefense. Reporter but what about the vandalism and harassment here of an inaugural ball guest perpetrated by some of her associates using socalled black bloc tactics . Everyone wears the same color, hey, basic black, its trendy and also just wearing the mask again to conceal your identity. Reporter the world got a glimpse of these tactics in action when some in macaulays group clad all in black smashed the windows of a starbucks and a bank of america. Breaking a window is a symbolic act. Windows break all the time. Things break all the time. Reporter Richard Spencer turned up as well. Ive given conferences for ages. And well usually expect some protesters. Theyll do silly string or Something Like that. Reporter then a turning point. Cer was conducting an interview when, wait for it a man walks and punches him right in the face in the middle of the street. Youre doing something important, youre going to be attacked. Verbally and even physically. So im willing to go through with it. Reporter the attack went viral instantly and sparked a spirited internet debate about whether or not it was okay to punch a nazi. Punch a nazi in the face is that okay . I think that you saw a lot of people actually very inspired by the fact that the nazis are not invincible. Of course its not okay to punch a nazi. Any more than its okay to punch a doctor who performed abortion. If you believe abortions murder. The same people who insist that they are in the right when they are engaging in violence would be horrified if the roles were reversed. Reporter as fate would have it, just hours after spencer was punched the roles were reversed. On inauguration night in seattle an antitrump activist was injured by a gunshot through the abdomen. Hey police any individual whos ever been shot at one of these individuals, he was an antifa member, and he was shot by a maga hatwearing trump fan. Heres some reality. 74 of the extremistrelated killings in this country in the past ten years have been carried out by rightwingextremists. Reporter given all youd think spencer and the altright kind of wanted to dial things back. But instead he was just getting started. They brought the fight to us. There was a war started. And those sons of bitches started the war. And so were going to respond to them. Reporter next, the two lightning rods of the socalled ooult rite and antifa, Richard Spencer and lacy macaulay, meet face toce is there any hope of both sides pulling back from the brink . Youre not going to stop us. Because you dont matter. Yes. We will stop you. Ultimately reporter two bitter enemies face off when we return. Proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. This is my body of proof that i can take on Psoriatic Arthritis with humira. Humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation toth joid skin symptoms. 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Tonight watch two of their leaders face off in front of our cameras. Here again, abcs tom llamas. Reporter after months of documenting their fight for a fractured america we brought White Nationalist Richard Spencer and antifa member lacy macaulay together for an encounter which didnt involve Police Barricades or weapons. Hello. Im lacy macaulay. I would prefer not to shake your hand. Reporter it doesnt start well. I could smell the antifa activist from yards away. The foul stench of never bathing. Reporter macaulay refuses to condemn that infamous punch spencer took on Inauguration Day. But lacy, ive got to stop you there. A punch in the face is a punch in the face. Genocide is genocide. Im sorry, but i dont think anybody has sympathy for people who are actually advocating for policies of yen oside. Im not. You would like a white homeland. And to me that says genocide. People are going to suffer. People are going to die. I have no respect for that i dont want anyone to die. Reporter spencer blames antifa for most of the violence between the groups but also insists his people will defend themselves. Were never going to win by unilaterally disarming ourselves. Were going to win when they know that if they punch us were going to punch them back so hard that they never knew what was coming. Reporter but isnt, that excuse me for using the phrase, a b. S. Argument . Because if the goal is an allwhite homeland, that is the goal, how do you do that within the laws of the United States . This is a big ideal for the future. Reporter the Southern Poverty Law Center shows us the numbers. Theres a rise in hate crimes and they directly attribute the rise in hate crimes to you specifically. They mention you by name. What do you say to that . Thats total [ bleep ]. And the splc is total [ bleep ]. What is a hate crime . If anyone on the altright instigated violence, i would dissociate myself with them totally. The antifa is instigating violence constantly, and they arent just instigating violence against me. Theyre instigating violence against random people in trump hats. When they attack your rights, you fight back. Speech is not violence, and violence is not speech. Reporter well, words are powerful. Words can change the world. A word is not a bullet. Reporter while spencer yearns for a white homeland, macaulay dreams of an anarchist utopia. You want to deconstruct government i would like to actually bring power back to the people. We need to bring power back into our communities and neighborhoods. Good luck. Not if we have any last little breath. Youre not going to stop us. Because you dont matter. Yes. We will stop you. Ultimately peep like me give meaning to your life. Guess what . I wouldnt care about you you wouldnt have a life without me oh, my goodness. That is absolutely im sorry, but like news flash. I do a lot of work actually you are a little small part of this. Reporter and with that the two agree to remain enemies. But with more protests scheduled for the weekend its possible this wont be the last time they see each other. But back in charlottesville, where a young woman died in the streets, a show of unity against hate. Those who loved her most now hoping Heather Heyer did not die in vain. So remember in your heart, if youre not outraged youre not paying attention. And i want you to pay attention. Reporter at her funeral her mother issuing a call to action against racism and hate. Dont ignore it. Dont look the other way. You make a point to look at it and say to yourself what can i do to make a difference . And thats how youre going to make my childs death worthwhile. Id rather have my child, but by golly, if ive got to give her up, were going to make it count. Reporter reminding the country that no matter how the argument is framed by far right extremists what is important are the ideals america has always aspired to, that all men are created equal. For nightline im tom llamas in new york. Our thanks to tom llamas and his team. Well be right back. Wiback like it could used to . Neutrogena hydro boost water gel. With hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. For supple, hydrated skin. Hydro boost. From neutrogena this idive into the classicster. Crab lovers dream or new dueling crab legs with dungeness and snow crab. Only during crabfest. Now this is seafood. And hurry in to enjoy our new crab melt part of our seafood lovers lunch for just 9. 99. Thanks for watching abc news. And as always, we are online at abcnews. Com and our Nightline Facebook page. Good night, america. Have a great weekend. Welcome t. 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