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Amongst others. when it looks like the republicans are on the side of letting rates go up to 8.5% and the president wants to keep them lower in the 3 to 4 range that is problematic for you guys is it not? >> it is. the bottom line is you're saying the president is an effective politician and does a good job of distracting people from things they ought to be focused on and sometimes focusing them on things that ought to be important, none of us want to see student loan rates spike, are only part of the larger problem. republicans have to do a better job of explaining how our ideas apply to youn...

High one. the president does not have a cap. >> when you talk about the cap, elizabeth warren, her house colleague, may have approved the banks on the low fairness act, which would let students raise money at 0.75%. that's the same rate that banks can borrow now. when you talk about a cap, why not lack at something like that, where students would just in perpetuity have that figure to worry about. we see the rising cost of college going up, the loan debt wouldn't. >> well, look, the loan debt might not go up in terms of the interest rate, but the amount of debt and the years it would take you ...

Are extraordinary and they've been getting away with it. a lot of kids and their families have been cheated. particularly a lot of poor kids, at the bottom of society economically are now graduating from college in smaller numbers than they did 30 years ago. >> student loan rates are going to jump from 3.4% to 6.8%. under a proposal, new student borrowers would be able to take out a stafford loan at 0.75%. it makes sense if the banks get to borrow super cheaply, why can't students? why do you think that proposal may not be as rosy as it looks on the surface? >> we need to look to all of the ra...

Bolling is corrupted, got a big board. >> sean: ouch. >> look, you're right. 4 billion dollars out of that 4 1/2 billion dollars is to hire 15,000 more police. is that going to stop us at newtown? a cost of 266,000, we're going to hire 15,000 new police. >> sean: per? >> $266,000 per, looks like for two years. >> sean: and the states have to pick it up from there. >> look, we have nearly 800,000 uniformed police officers today in the united states. do we really think that having 1.9% less and 1.9% more police officers is going to stop newtown. >> sean: unless you put them in the schools? >> sp...

Bolling is corrupted, got a big board. >> sean: ouch. >> look, you're right. 4 billion dollars out of that 4 1/2 billion dollars is to hire 15,000 more police. is that going to stop us at newtown? a cost of 266,000, we're going to hire 15,000 new police. >> sean: per? >> $266,000 per, looks like for two years. >> sean: and the states have to pick it up from there. >> look, we have nearly 800,000 uniformed police officers today in the united states. do we really think that having 1.9% less and 1.9% more police officers is going to stop newtown. >> sean: unless you put them in the schools? >> sp...