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To, or we have a scenario where the president does listen to john bolton and we know where john bolton stands on the issue. and every national security advisor should have a view and does have a view. the rub here is whether they let the process unfold in an unbiassed way, and whether they allow -- john bolton may prefer war as an option, but is he going to let the secretary of state, the united nations and development agencies for example let their views be heart to the president? >> the national security advisor saying he or she is the filter by which the president receives national security...

We have not had and continue to not have conversations with the president of the united states. >> i'm in the 0eoval office wit the president of the united states. he said he didn't need to be pardoned, there's no one around him that needs to be pardoned, he's just making a statement on the issue of being pardoned. >> president trump raised the question about pardoning himself and members of his family as the russian investigation intensifies. joining me now is attorney bob bauer, former white house counsel under president obama and nbc news legal analyst and host of "the new beat" appearing