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People who were like you know what, these experts are the ones who told us nafta and all these deals are good for us, they lied to us. we're going to go with the president's gut. i think there is some micropolitics could help in the short term. but the macroissue it's likely inadvisable. >> you mentioned -- rick i'm giving you this -- or max. you're an expert. let me ask max and then i'll get rick in. this was -- you mentioned when bush tried this before, scott did -- in 2002, steel tariffs imposed by president george w. bush cost 200,000 because of higher steel prices including 10,553 jobs lo...

Rick in. this was -- you mentioned when bush tried this before, scott did -- if 2000 steel tariffs imposed by president george w. bush cost 200,000 because of higher steel prices including 10553 jobs lost in ohio. 8,400 in pennsylvania. the total wages were about $5.5 billion in today's dollars. what do you say to that, max? >> i say that this is more evidence of just how disastrous these tariffs and trade wars are. the comments you heard previously on the show is there are people in trump's base who support the tariffs. well of course that's true. there are people in this country who support ...