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To fail. it will fail. >> obamacare is going to destroy everything that we know as a nation. it's going to push us into a total economic collapse. >> it will ruin the best health care system in the world, bankrupt our nation and ruin our economy. joining me now, dr. zeke emmanuel, one of the key architects of the affordable care act. since we're not hearing so much about obamacare on the campaign trail. if i were which-tto check in an zeke, what's the report card right now in 2015 on obamacare, what's your answer? >> you might say i'm bias bud every independent analysis says no matter what y...

The gop presidential race. the party that voted more than 50 times to delay or repeal obamacare, that warned incessantly the law would bring utter disaster and shut down the government trying to stop it, that party seems to have almost entirely stopped talking about the law. consider this in the first major republican presidential debate four years ago in june, 2011, the candidates uttered the word obamacare 23 times. in the first gop debate this cycle, they mentioned obamacare six times. the silence could have something to do with the fact that the rate of people without insurance people drop...

Debate in june 2011, the candidates uttered obamacare 23 times. in the first gop debate this cycle, they mentioned obamacare just six times. the relative silence could have something to do with the fact that the rate of people without insurance dropped six percentage points to just 11.4% since key provisions began in 2013 with about 16 million people gaining coverage. or maybe republicans are just too embarrassed about all of their terrible predictions about what the law would do. >> i think the -- what's going to come out of obamacare is worse than anybody can imagine. i think it's a disaster...

Emanuel, one of the key act t t architects of the affordable care plan. if i were to check in and say, you know, zeke, you worked on this thing. where did we kind of end up on this? whether are we at? what's the report card right now at this point in 2015 on obamacare? what's your answer? >> well, you might say i'm biased, but every independent analysis says no matter what your metric, it's been awe success for the last five years. if it's the coverage rate, how many people are getting coverage, as you mentioned, we have more than about 13 million people getting coverage through the exchanges,...

It's already been noted that he does not discuss cost or how many people would ultimately be insured with his plan. >> right, tamron. i think we're still looking for some of the more specifics and he's in the process of giving his speech right now. but the context of scott walker's obamacare repeal speech today, he's in need of a little conservative mojo. this person, scott walker, was the darling of conservatives a few months ago before we all started to focus on donald trump, and really before donald trump really took the immigration issue away from scott walker, and scott walker being able ...