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Democracy right. >> that's why i call it a contested convention. if they did have a brokered convention i hope they take applications because i would apply and you would too to be a broker. at the very least it would result in an ambassadorship to a warm country. >> i'd take that. >> but we don't have brokers anymore. who would do this? who isn't tainted by one dan date or another or one ideology or another? there's no one, quote, universally respected in this very devicive contest. >> is it possible that donald trump doesn't get the magic number of delegates? that 1,237. >> it's possible. i d...

Crowd happens. what if kasich wins his state of ohio, what if rubio wins florida, what would that look like? the magic number here is 1,237. if trump doesn't get those two biggies where his opponents live, he'd be at less than half that. if he played it out further, he could still get there by march 15, there would be a real scenario. however, if kasich loses high to trump, if rubio loses florida to trump, now kasich is still in double digits and rubio falls far behind cruz. that shows you how important -- if you want to stop trump, there is a lot of things you have to do, but one essential th...

He's got ohio coming up march 15th and he says he's going to win ohio. and obviously, if he doesn't win ohio, it's all over for john kasich. what is the likelihood he can win ohio? >> i think it's pretty much a toss-up. and i think that he's got to get those trump supporters who, you know, seem to love trump in michigan. i mean, it's largely the same type of state. and i think john kasich's biggest problem is the perception that he's kind of like a jon huntsman. he's got to be a lot more republican and he's got to kind of have his blue-collar roots show a lot more if he wants to connect with t...

Support, that remains to be seen. again, we keep saying this over and over again. his supporters are entrenched. they've decided on him months ago. but the question, thomas, is can he get to that magic number of 1,237 delegates? right now marco rubio, certainly, mitt romney, ted cruz and john kasich are all trying to keep him from that number so it goes into a contested convention. >> katy tur reporting from new orleans for us. thanks so much. we want to go now to the campaign of marco rubio and the florida senator is spending the day in kansas. he's holding three events there ahead of tomorro...

Conservative. >> michael, let's fast forward here to cleveland. what happens if going into cleveland, donald trump does not have the requisite 1,237 delegates on first ballot? then what? how do we see that unfold? >> that's when things get interesting. that's when we have our first contested convention in quite a while. and it's going to be winner take all, it's going to be pretty exciting. and i hope that the result is that we have a ticket we can unify behind and it's a ticket that believes in conservative principles and it's a ticket that can beat hillary clinton, because doubling down on t...