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Not just rising up, but you have to vote. you have to say that, you know, what you voted for isn't enough. what you did is what matters to me. and get more people engaged in the process at a time when people seem so disengaged. >> well, i think one of the things you have to do is develop role models in our society, from the president on down, to major corporate and nonprofit leaders, faith community leaders, that send this message out that our political system is too much tied to money and the money impacts people's lives, by increasing the deficit, it's one of the reasons it's gone up. it is ...

We're talking about in the lead. and the footnote makes following point. it says, if a corporation wants to assert a first amendment right of expression in an election, it must be willing to accept the responsibility of getting sued. do you agree with that? and where do we stand in the reconciliation of the reciprocity of corporations as people being forced to assume the liabilities? >> well, i think that the question of whether corporations are treated as people, under the united states constitution, has to be separated from the question whether we govern corporations and the treatment of the...

Everybody involved in enlisting in this entire undertaking, the 28 debate, learning these things, john, is for us to educate ourselves. we are a group -- we are people who are now voracious for new information so we can be better contributors to the conversations that exist around this. to both of you, quickly, where would you direct me and others to learn more about this so we have a point of view that's more beneficial to the conversation? john? >> well, we urge people to go to peoplesrightsamendment.org. congressman mcgovern has introduced a bipartisan bill with a dozen other members of con...

Disney. >> unless you're the tall midget. >> even if you're the tall midget, you feel good until the next taller midget shows up. at the end of the day, how is it, and is there a way that is different than mine? because i'm saying, listen, if you don't separate business and state and have an amendment, a 28th amendment to the constitution win will never have a valid tax reform conversation, because it will always be purchased at auction. i will never have a valid trade reform conversation, never have a valid bank reform, health reform conversation, whatever it is, because it will be purchased ...

With jon stewart last night, as we all continue to escalate the temperature for a great 28 debate in this country. you'll be hearing more about it as we all head into 2012 and see the impact that this influx of corporate and special interest money is having on the nature of our government. we all know we need a 28th amendment to get money out of politics and we verse the citizens united decision that made corporations people. a big win last week in l.a. with a new call to action for the 300,000 get money out petiti petitioners and route strikers who have joined the movement to get money out. t...