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To $13,600 a year. and they're not able to write that off, use the tax credits to write off that expense. >> right. well, obamacare promises that everyone with pre-existing conditions, excuse me, are taken into the system, that the system insures the sick. that's new. that's why without young and healthy consumers, the system is going to collapse. it doesn't mean you're not going to pay more if you come in as a smoker and there's no provision for you to attend a wellness class and give it up or reduce your fees, that's going to be part of the system. the problem is, as i said, if they can't fi...

Signs that we're leaving -- not that we're winning, but that we're leaving. i also had a chance to speak with republican senator lindsey graham about this today. >> we would be crazy to leave afghanistan without an insurance policy for us. somewhere around 10,000 to 13,000 troops post-2014 with american combat power available would end the taliban's hopes and dreams of retaking afghanistan. >> reporter: so that number that you heard senator graham mention, the number of troops that would be left behind in 2014 to help out with the protection of afghanistan, that's still being debated. we heard...

Some time period. here is general james matis last week telling congress what he thinks. >> what about the residual force? >> the post 2014 force, senator, that decision, i know, has not been made yet. it's still under consideration. i have made my recommendation. >> which is? >> that recommendation is for 13,600 forces, sir. >> now, i asked jay carney about that today. he would not commit to a figure. important because when you look at what happened in iraq, there were a lot of the critics of the president wondering why he didn't leave any kind of a force behind in iraq. bottom line here it's...

Decision has not been made. it's still under consideration. i have made my recommendation? >> which is? >> that recommendation is for 13,600 u.s. forces. >> reporter: i asked jay carney about that specific number and he would not commit whether the president is going to back general mattis' recommendation in moving after these unfortunate comments. will the u.s. commit to that kind of force or pull out together as we saw in iraq. there are critics of the administration if we don't leave some forces behind, any security gains that have been made will be completely lost. >> shep: you wonder how ...

People are not used to a lot of snow but we will do just fine. alexandra, thanks very much. there's a new recommendation for how many u.s. troops should remain in afghanistan after they are out at the end of next year. 2014, that's when the majority of the forces are supposed to leave, if not all of the troops. the u.s. plans to keep some troops there. the head of the u.s. military central command telling the armed services committee saying that he recommends that 13,600 american service members remain in afghanistan in 2015 and beyond. last month when he was still defense secretary, leon pa...