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>> the thing i couldn't get from the research was the evidence increasing it to 21 would stop significantly the amount of young people smoking cigarettes. i think they're going to smoke if they want to smoke. they've got to find a way to get it. the same way they find a way to get booze. it's a teenage right of passage. i don't buy the notion this is going to make a dent in teens smoking cigarettes. what's it cost for a pack of cigarettes? >> $14.25 for a pack. >> by the way, think about the police officers who have to deal with this. there are other things you've got to deal with. muggings, p...

For president. he said the democrats were too liberal. and the republicans were too crazy right. that's his word, too crazy right. he supported abortion rights back then. he talked about it one time, 14.25% millionaire tax. civil rights for gay couples. universal health care. is this a born-again donald trump? do you believe he's a conservative republican in the mold new hampshire republicans would embrace? >> yeah, i think what you're going to see -- and today you saw -- the folks showed up, he was pretty well received. all the candidates are going have to get out there and tell their platfor...

Ago, we used to think we had a wealthy nation, we could take care of people. the fact is we're in a much different time now. the world has changed a lot. >> so you no longer support universal health care. >> i support health care for people. i want people well taken care of. but i also want health care that we can afford as a country. >> in that same book you called for a net worth tax, 14.25% on people with $10 million or more. do you still support that tax? >> at that time it would have paid off the deficit. i mean, you wouldn't have a deficit at that time. unfortunately, the world is change...

The world has changed a lot. >> so you no longer support universal health care. >> i support health care for people. i want people well taken care of. but i also want health care that we can afford as a country. >> in that same book you called for a net worth tax, 14.25% on people with $10 million or more. do you still support that tax? >> at that time it would have ç paid off the deficit. i mean, you wouldn't have a deficit at that time. unfortunately, the world is changed. today you can't do it. today -- and i'm strongly against tax increases -- >> you're no longer for that tax. >> no long...

He's out there talking. there's a media infatuation with him right now and so it's a name people know. i don't think you can confuse polls right now -- it's popularity, it's not competitiveness. it's not anywhere near the time when people have to decide who they vote for. we view that as part of our job at club for vote is to educate voters. >> so you're the gate keepers? >> i'm sorry? >> you're the gate keepers? >> well, we are trying -- >> you're the gate keeper? >> well, we want to -- >> you're the gate keeper? okay, let's take a look. that's what we're doing here. let's keep it up. here's ...