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Talk to one another and have an open conversation. and i think that was one of the secret sauces if you will. open it up, make sure that we get a good differentiation of why, you know, rand paul, 14.5% flat tax is different than ted cruz who wants 10% income tax and 15% business tax. you know, sort of -- >> i'm sure you experienced it, as well, is each candidate feels that they're slighted. i mean during the breaks they would come up and they would subtly remind you -- >> i wasn't in that segment. >> but ironically the ones who would complain about it who actually time lines were doing very we...

Growth fashion. i've got to take my hat off to rand paul for doing that. and ted cruz. >> yeah. he's got a 14.5% flat tax. does ben carson have a plan? he's been vague about this. >> he's following the old reagan motto, don't do that until you get into office because you have to deal with the senate finance and the house ways and means and senators and press secretaries and treasury and all that. the less specific your plan, better off you are because you paid the principles. in this regard, ben carson has done a fantastic job. 10% sort of flat tax, the fairest tax, he's completely correct on ...

They're going to raise it without any limits. this is extraordinary. usually we say we're going to raise it $500 billion. we're raising whatever is spent between now and march 2017. this is irresponsible. that is something that -- i don't really want to be part of a government that's not going to have any rules about what we spend. >> the republican party that believed what you just said goes back 20 or 30 years. we had people like jerry ford, bob dole who really were fiscal hawks. what happened today? >> there were very few fiscal conserves. the one line i didn't get out tonight is that i'm t...

More they'll spend. that's the way you spark the cycle. doesn't mean these guys can't mount another 18 trillion in debt. >> rand paul is the most honest help says, whether you agree or disagree, 14.5% tax rate for everybody. he didn't -- doesn't care if it's revenue neutral. the whole idea is to some rink the money going into washington and some rink the beast of government down. at least he is honest. these others are going through hoops, revenue neutral. won't be a problem. maybe they should be more like that. >> i agree a thousand percent. the idea of striking the beast down is apolitical. ...

It is too little and not right stuff. m wraps has fox reported delivered without armor -- m raps. this happens in this administration. they have no heavy weapons. they need 14.5-millimeter ammo to deal with extraordinary vehicle-born improvised explosives devices and they will need surface-to-air weapons to deal with a resurgent syrian air force and russians. the kurds are willing to fight isis but they're not willing to do so to open up new arab lands. they want to defend their own kurdish people. abby: colonel north, thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. bill: 28 minutes past the hour...